Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

[JunkoChan]

is reping into a 200 pages game a mistake?

maybe

will you do it anyway?

of course

will you read the entire thread?

for sure

will you keep what's left of your sanity?

probably not.

[JunkoChan]

sorry about your scum pm

I wish that was the case

[JunkoChan]

I’m very confused as to how many factions there are and whether the dark forest cats are *the* scum team or *a* scum faction.

why is this still alive?

[JunkoChan]

I’m very confused as to how many factions there are and whether the dark forest cats are *the* scum team or *a* scum faction.

I think the problem is not the confusion with the clans but rather why you thought the dark forest cats were *a* scum faction if your role pm explicitly tells you that they just need to die for you to win

this

[JunkoChan]

well I didn't expect you to answer, but if you can clarify for me that would be fine, I'm on page 6 now and the entire thign was dropped

[JunkoChan]

who did you shot?

[JunkoChan]

how do you get cleared by a vig shot?

[JunkoChan]

I shot PenguinPower who was town.

You're welcome!

how does that clear you?

[JunkoChan]

how do you get cleared by a vig shot?

It's bullshit, I know.
But sometimes just pretending you're obvious town because you are is all you need.

well I was once tr as scum because my action was too scum to be scum

[JunkoChan]

I've also been SR'd as town because I was being "too townie" to be town, fun stuff

[JunkoChan]

how do you get cleared by a vig shot?

It's bullshit, I know.
But sometimes just pretending you're obvious town because you are is all you need.

well I was once tr as scum because my action was too scum to be scum

But I'm not scum and nobody alive is currently scum reading me.
You don't want to know what happened to the people that were scum reading me.

let me guess, penguin SR'd you?

and tbf I'm 190 pages behind

[JunkoChan]

i want to suggest that scum would have fakeclaims & fake PMs but ive seen them not have any a frightening percentage of the time recently

TMI?

[JunkoChan]

no one followed on that, mistyx kinda and I was about to say partner?, but ded

@Bell well Idk how you expect me to be on the same page as you when I literally just started

[JunkoChan]

I don't, I'm just messing with you because it's fun.

[JunkoChan]

But, Dr Worm wasn’t a really doctor. So you’re not really scrrrd.

SHARP PENGUIN. DO YOU WANT TO VOTE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN TODAY?

STOP.GIVING.INFO.WHEN.WE.DONT.KNOW.MAJORITY.OF.SETUP.
VOTE: SCRRRRBEAR

overreaction

[JunkoChan]

Penguin is here a lot more than I’m used to.

I think I know why penguin died lol

[JunkoChan]

He asks Norwee if he feels that he is on the same page I am and here I am going ??? because like what kind of question is that???

Trying to get out in front of it, I see.

I find the timing of Alisae soliciting opinions on my ISO more than a touch suspicious. I did ask Norwee if he agreed he was on the same page as Alisae, given that was the justification Alisea gave for townreading Norwee, indicating that I might be suspicious about that read, and almost immediately Alisea is here in main thread trying to advance a case on me.

For reference, since my clan affiliation has now been disclosed:

I mean it's mostly just me trying to get him to spew himself to me. I asked him about FA, Charloux, and Datisi and we seemed to reach similar conclusions.
If anything our only disagreement seemed to be on Charloux whom Norwee (understandably) fos' charloux.

Alisea didn't appear to give much of their own opinions, but I take from this that Alisae agreed with Norwee's takes on FA, and Datisi, but not Charloux, and that was enough to give Norwee a townread.

Those takes? That FA seemed pretty townie for calling out Charloux (while Alisea thinks Charloux is townie, since they are disagreeing with Norwees fos there), and Datisi was null.

Those takes were given after Alisea asked Norwee, and only Norwee, very leading questions that amounted to "What is your read on X player based on posts Y and Z", which as you can see from the conclusion given by themselves, focused on a very narrow subset of the player base; and I was very surprised to see Alisea give Norwee a townread on that basis, and I asked Norwee if he thought he was in agreement with Alisea. To be fair, the answer Norwee gave was 'yes', but I made no secret of the fact I had my suspicions there, and to see that quickly manifest in main thread as a case against me is to say the least.

VOTE: Alisea

????

[JunkoChan]

I would actually like to add to the fact prior to his vote I felt like I saw all of these things and thought “I am scumreading this player for so many things is this guy actually scum?” Because even the list of concerns I told ceph was a bit too much for my tastes

Pedit: because he said he thought I was going to advance a case on him bro. If he is a villager why is he thinking about stuff like that and shouldn’t he just wait until I do form a case on him? If he was villager that seems like that would be the play here but instead he is just coming out of the gate panicked, saying I am going to advance a case on him. It’s fucking weird.

I don’t want to believe Alisae is scum becauve they’ve been so helpful to me and seemed genuinely trying to solve me.

I am town and u came out of your way to play with me. We have a hood together and its exciting though I won’t say that I wouldn’t buddy u as scum it’s totally within possibility just like how I could just not help you and that would be equally viable. Keep your eyes open, ya?

S_S?

[JunkoChan]

Lukewarm is town

[JunkoChan]

see 276 alisae (scum) vs val, doesn't read like scum v scum

alisae/norwee feels acted

[JunkoChan]

therefore luke is most likely town

lol you are norwee furtive

[JunkoChan]

what's your read on luke?

[JunkoChan]

He asks Norwee if he feels that he is on the same page I am and here I am going ??? because like what kind of question is that???

Trying to get out in front of it, I see.

I find the timing of Alisae soliciting opinions on my ISO more than a touch suspicious. I did ask Norwee if he agreed he was on the same page as Alisae, given that was the justification Alisea gave for townreading Norwee, indicating that I might be suspicious about that read, and almost immediately Alisea is here in main thread trying to advance a case on me.

For reference, since my clan affiliation has now been disclosed:

I mean it's mostly just me trying to get him to spew himself to me. I asked him about FA, Charloux, and Datisi and we seemed to reach similar conclusions.
If anything our only disagreement seemed to be on Charloux whom Norwee (understandably) fos' charloux.

Alisea didn't appear to give much of their own opinions, but I take from this that Alisae agreed with Norwee's takes on FA, and Datisi, but not Charloux, and that was enough to give Norwee a townread.

Those takes? That FA seemed pretty townie for calling out Charloux (while Alisea thinks Charloux is townie, since they are disagreeing with Norwees fos there), and Datisi was null.

Those takes were given after Alisea asked Norwee, and only Norwee, very leading questions that amounted to "What is your read on X player based on posts Y and Z", which as you can see from the conclusion given by themselves, focused on a very narrow subset of the player base; and I was very surprised to see Alisea give Norwee a townread on that basis, and I asked Norwee if he thought he was in agreement with Alisea. To be fair, the answer Norwee gave was 'yes', but I made no secret of the fact I had my suspicions there, and to see that quickly manifest in main thread as a case against me is to say the least.

VOTE: Alisea

Advance a case??? ok lmfao VOTE: Val
Rookie scum mistake to overreact to me expression my feelings on a fos.
Like do you self-consciously believe that a case was like coming onto you??? That's what I think is going on in the head of scum!you.
I did not vote you, and I asked Ceph "is this actually scum, or am I just reading everything as scummy"
But I am

advancing a case

on you???

Like, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Newer player rands wolf.
Newer player starts to feel like they are being suspected
Newer player overeacts and attacks the person in response to suspecting them
The person in return attacks them harder because the newer player is acting unnatural and unreasonably to the attacker.

I will humor you and your concerns though.

I find the timing of Alisae soliciting opinions on my ISO more than a touch suspicious. I did ask Norwee if he agreed he was on the same page as Alisae, given that was the justification Alisea gave for townreading Norwee, indicating that I might be suspicious about that read, and almost immediately Alisea is here in main thread trying to advance a case on me.

Ur question doesn't do anything. You just don't know what's going on because you haven't worked with Norwee to the extent I have. HE LITERALLY ANSWERED YOU YES.
If we're town we just see the same things. The best part is Norwee saw what I saw in FA's play without even knowing who the person is. That is TOWNIE.

--

Alisea didn't appear to give much of their own opinions, but I take from this that Alisae agreed with Norwee's takes on FA, and Datisi, but not Charloux, and that was enough to give Norwee a townread.

Those takes? That FA seemed pretty townie for calling out Charloux (while Alisea thinks Charloux is townie, since they are disagreeing with Norwees fos there), and Datisi was null.

Those takes were given after Alisea asked Norwee, and only Norwee, very leading questions that amounted to "What is your read on X player based on posts Y and Z", which as you can see from the conclusion given by themselves, focused on a very narrow subset of the player base; and I was very surprised to see Alisea give Norwee a townread on that basis, and I asked Norwee if he thought he was in agreement with Alisea. To be fair, the answer Norwee gave was 'yes', but I made no secret of the fact I had my suspicions there, and to see that quickly manifest in main thread as a case against me is to say the least.

Why would I give Norwee my own opinions if I am trying to sort his alignment?
I am trying to form a read on Norwee and encourage him to do the work. He expressed he was lost, so I guided him.
The goal was for me to see what conclusions he reaches and how he reaches him.

So i don’t believe this was malicious or unwarranted from Alisae.

I don't believe it was malicious either, but having asked those leading questions, for whatever reason, about a very narrow subset of players, and getting some (as I am sure you admit yourself) fairly weak and non-committal stances on 3 players; on which they admit to having disagree with you on 33% of that tiny sample, to say

Yes he is playing the game and I feel like we are on the same page when it comes to the topics we discussed

is reasoning 'left unexplained' is more generous that I think its deserving. Reasoning is given. It's just obvious crap - and I say again, the timing of Alisea's soliciting opinions on my own ISO in Main thread, directly after I had given an indication I wasn't buying what they were selling in clan chat, is suspicious.

I would actually like to add to the fact prior to his vote I felt like I saw all of these things and thought “I am scumreading this player for so many things is this guy actually scum?” Because even the list of concerns I told ceph was a bit too much for my tastes

Pedit: because he said he thought I was going to advance a case on him bro. If he is a villager why is he thinking about stuff like that and shouldn’t he just wait until I do form a case on him? If he was villager that seems like that would be the play here but instead he is just coming out of the gate panicked, saying I am going to advance a case on him. It’s fucking weird.

Like idunno I don't get it, if he is town and genuinely thinks I am going to build a case on him, why doesn't he just wait to see how the read develops, or even wait for me to respond to Ceph. It just doesn't add up.

And give up the ability to prosecute someone who is, to me, pretty obvious scum? No thanks.

You seem to be labouring under a misapprehension here. I have you in my sights now.

The beauty or rolling town is that, even if I fail to convince enough of the others that I am the one that goes down today, sheer numbers means my faction can afford my mislim much more than your faction can afford yours. I don't think it'll come to that, but that knowledge is all I need to throw myself in to the crossfire and bring attention to the two of us. You will rue the day you crossed me, she-cat.

this is not S_S

[JunkoChan]

290

im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

spewed town

[JunkoChan]

290

im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

spewed town

I find this more convincing than your quote post above. Val likes a big spam contest with scumbuddies

well I haven't played with val ever, and I have enough having to read this thread, to go and read everyone's meta right now

[JunkoChan]

Crap I wanted to get caught up tonight, but I'm running out of steam.

I'm sorry, I don't think I can.

I got half-way, to page 9, but I don't think I can get everything done tonight, sorry.

I'll leave you with an incomplete readslist then.
LOCKTOWN:
{catboi, Datisi, Dannflor}
{Charloux, Bell, fireisredsir, Marashu}
TOWN:
{SCRRRDBEAR, Mixtyx, Frozen Angel*, Val89, PenguinPower}


{Cephrir}

{KittyTacky, Shiro, Shiidaji}
{Something_Smart}

SCUM?
{Alisae}

PROBABLY SCUM:
{Titus}

SCUM:
{NorwegianboyEE}

Sorry it's not great, but I need to eat/sleep/take meds. Been neglecting those things for two hours tbh.

Will finish when I can, hopefully tomorrow.

All your scumreads are like… people i think are town.

VOTE: Charloux
I think there’s been major off vibes from this slot. They’ve been involved in multiple shifty scenarios now and their responses always pinged me as weird.

oof

[JunkoChan]

I think I moderately agree with S_S on charloux. I missed that post. Sometimes people commit to a role early, but I don’t know them well enough to know if they’d do that so I think it’s probably okay just to give it a generic thumbs up.

I dunno what to say to the town core thing. Unless we use entirely different definitions of town cores the k my one I’d even consider would be Mastina at this point and that’s just a default.

I don’t know your history with these players to know if the people you’re town reading are the people you tend to clash with but I’m moderately surprised that you clash with marashu or that they clash much at all.

did you vote mastina Bell?

FINAL VOTE COUNT

[11]

mastina

: Shiro, Dannflor, fireisredsir, Val89, Bell, PenguinPower, NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Titus, Marashu, Mistyx
[5]

KittyTacky

: catboi, Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart, Charloux
[2]

NorwegianboyEE

: mastina, KittyTacky
[1]

Datisi

: SCRRRDBEAR
[1]

Bell

: Frozen Angel

[2]

Not Voting

: T3,

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With 21 alive, it takes 11 to eliminate.

Day one ends in (expired on 2022-10-30 12:12:34).

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ugh you did

I'm actually baffled that mastina was elimed day 1 how the f that happened

[JunkoChan]

pedit: Ya penguin time flies by really quickly lmfao. Thanks!!!

Hot take:
Either Titus is town,
OR we do have an all-town clan. (Technically, not mutually exclusive, if there's two clans with two scum or even one clan with three, but for this point, I only need one of the above to be true.)

Because Alisae and Norwee are both scum from the same clan.

Those takes were given after Alisea asked Norwee, and only Norwee, very leading questions that amounted to "What is your read on X player based on posts Y and Z", which as you can see from the conclusion given by themselves, focused on a very narrow subset of the player base; and I was very surprised to see Alisea give Norwee a townread on that basis, and I asked Norwee if he thought he was in agreement with Alisea. To be fair, the answer Norwee gave was 'yes', but I made no secret of the fact I had my suspicions there, and to see that quickly manifest in main thread as a case against me is to say the least.
VOTE: Alisea

Oh nevermind about having difficulty reading Val.

Val's town here and Alisae and Norwee ARE scum together.

The interactions being talked about are 100% scum-scum, done to be performative to hood-mates.

I prefer Norwee first tho since my scumread there's stronger.

But at this stage, I'd vote any of:
Norwee > Alisae ~

>

Titus.

I think Mastina saw the same thing I did

[JunkoChan]

Oh. I’m fine killing norwe if mastina is 97.5% certain they’re scum.
VOTE: Norwe

what changed your mind?

[JunkoChan]

Something feels wrong.

less than 15 minutes after

[JunkoChan]

It's not like people are going to let mastina influence their actions or read her posts.

didnt bell vote norwee explicitly because of mastina's read? i don't think this is necessarily true

Bell voted Norwee because mastina told Bell they have like some made up number of what, 98.something% that's wrong? From what I read it doesn't look like the read itself influenced Bell but rather mastina's confidence.

When I think of the read influencing someone reading, I think of how Kitty voted Norwee, whom literally said that the case, aka the explanation of the read, caused them to vote Norwee.

But I mean ya at the end of the day they did influence 2 people to vote but when she is going to need to rally a total of 11 villagers if she wants to vote out a scum!Norwee that is aligned with me. 3 out of 2, kinda small, ngl.
Now, that's not taking into consideration what our alignment ACTUALLY is. Maybe mastina will get her wagon because scum will seize the moment to try to get a town!norwee killed. In a way that's less villagers required for her to kill a villager, so that makes her attempt at killing Norwee easier ig.

feels like a softdefense for a teammate

[JunkoChan]

see 276 alisae (scum) vs val, doesn't read like scum v scum

alisae/norwee feels acted

Can you explain the last part?

5021

norwee says that they read alisae because they were very helpful and they helped them, just doesn't feel like a real thought, at least so early in the game, I'm of course reading this knowing that alisae is scum, like that's the start but if you keep reading it keeps happening

[JunkoChan]

when I ISO'ed Ydrasee to see if Bell voted Mastina I also noticed in earlir VC that norwee was at one point the main wagon, but then it switched to mastina for some reason, I haven't gotten there

[JunkoChan]

i lean a little bit town on titus

i don't really have first person knowledge of what mastina scum feels like? but this feels like my experience of her as town

i don't lean town on bell anymore

Why so?

I'm here and paying attention, just trying to formulate an opinion based on the posts made.
While waiting for more from certain low post players.
Consider my Datisi read slightly blunted.
I can't really read Alisae.
I can't read Titus. They've kind of been like this since the last 3-5 games I've played with them. Where the activity and content is so erratic and sort of unrelated to anything that I can't make sense of what their actual trajectory is.

I'm still sitting on Norwe, because I don't think that me feeling bad if they get eliminated early if they're town is an actual reason not to kill them. It's frustrating tho.

what do you guys think of this?

[JunkoChan]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

[JunkoChan]

page 37

thoughts right now, Bell and norwee never a team, this latest interaction with fire pushing a vote on what feels like a bit of momentum from people on Bell feels oportunistic and by that point only one who followed on fire's vote was Cephrir

I'll continue reading tomorrow

[JunkoChan]

.........
Let's break down the sentences.

1. I'm fine shutting down Mastina's ego if they're town and wrong. Nobody should be 97.5% confident in a read day one. AND ABSOLUTELY NOBODY SHOULD BE 100% CONFIDENT IN A READ DAY 1 Unless they have mod information. Which I won't entertain given who I'm speaking to.
2. If they're right my win condition is advanced and I'll be happy with that.

Am I leaving out that you're the best player at the table at reading Norwe? Yes. Yes I'm going to ignore that claim because there are a lot of issues I have with it. Such as:
1. You could be wrong.

have you ever played with mastina?

I'm a bit bewildered you wasted calories writing this.

you could like, say yes or no idk

well I'll continue reading

[JunkoChan]

@Lukewarm, thanks I did feel like it was fake interaction, maybe because i'm missing what happened in their hood

(I haven't read my hood btw) that shit is 30 pages long but I'm guessing from expereience that if something iomportant happened there it should be a reference to it in the OT so I'm not reading there for now

[JunkoChan]

enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now

can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?

you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting

ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

these seem more like potential partner interactions to me

I'm getting there, I'll check

[JunkoChan]

I’m one of the easiest sorts in the world.
And you either didn’t manage it or you’re scum fire.

I hate your guts

not related to alignment or game, i just do

[JunkoChan]

enough to the point where at first i thought it was weird and the difference could be scummy, but i am feeling that less now

can you walk me through your thoughts here in more detail?

you started the game off with lots of opinions and reads and thoughts and even early voting

ive only played with you as town i think and my experience is that you haven't really done that at all

so my first thought was that here you might be feeling some pressure to do more in order to get townread and the playstyle difference could be due to alignment difference

lately tho you've felt more what i would expect (but still giving reads), which also makes me think it isn't like a completely different playstyle, you probably just genuinely had things that you had thoughts and opinions on, which is like a good thing anyway bc now its easier to actually track what you've been thinking

why am i towny

you feel like you really have your investigator hat on and your magnifying glass out but in a way that is more focused on moving the game forward and prodding things out from people than it is about performance or like putting your own mindset on display for townpoints

specifically it reminds me of turing test d1

these seem more like potential partner interactions to me

I'm getting there, I'll check

it does feel condescending? i think is the word, like "step it up or you will call attention" half hearted read, just cuz, did fire vote something smart at any point after that? is what I'm thinking

[JunkoChan]

@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

A bit, no conclusions really

You have access to a PT with two flipped scum, that most of the playerlist does not have access to, and you gained no thoughts that you felt worth mentioning in the main thread?

-realises that could be my case
-checks the hood
-mastina and datisi are dead
-aight... were they limmed or killed? limmed (f u guys)
-this hood is dead since december 2, what happened?

[JunkoChan]

Datisi was limmed dec 1, after that there's only 1 post from S_S saying something about being wrong about datisi because having an opinion means you are wrong sometimes, and that he can't read norwee

people left in the hood:

me
dann
s_s

[JunkoChan]

It does bother me that you decided to ignore an anti-associative and just say you hate my guts though.

I think I no longer scum read you that's why i stopped there

[JunkoChan]

Datisi was limmed dec 1, after that there's only 1 post from S_S saying something about being wrong about datisi because having an opinion means you are wrong sometimes, and that he can't read norwee

people left in the hood:

me
dann
s_s

both dann and s_s voted datisi

[JunkoChan]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

[6]

Datisi

: SCRRRDBEAR, Something_Smart, flow trap, PenguinPower, Lukewarm, Dannflor
[1]

Freedom

: Cephrir
[1]

Lukewarm

: Datisi
[1]

flow trap

: Freedom

[2]

Not voting

: furtiveglance, Bell

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With 11 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

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[JunkoChan]

I have no context about the datisi wagon but I think it's worth taking a look at it, because the timing feels weird

[JunkoChan]

You think? You thought your thought less than 30 minutes ago.

that was 2 hours ago

stop you are being unnecesarily rude

[JunkoChan]

like it feels like you are trying to discourage me from speaking, I think you are town, and if you are scum reading me fine ignore me, like you seem to want to, if you don't then let me play the game

[JunkoChan]

Ah, my time zone thing isn't set to PST. To me it's 2:30 PM, but it says 3:28PM.
I genuinely don't know why you think I'm being rude. You said you hated my guts and that it wasn't alignment related.
Then you said you think you stopped scum reading me around then, indicating that it was alignment related.

both things are unrelated,

the gut thing is because of your personality or at least what I feel from your text is so confident-conceited that it makes me go bleh

what I meant by I "stopped there" is that i haven't followed up on your read because I started to town read you after that point I'm now on page 40

but from what you guys been saying odds are if i continue reading Ill end up Tr'ing you anyways so maybe I'm being conditioned?

anyways, what doy you about dann/s_s?

[JunkoChan]

what do you think about*

[JunkoChan]

It's a possibility.
I don't really think how S_S reacted to SCRRDbear was terribly different from how I reacted to it.

quote?

[JunkoChan]

I'm having trouble reading Danflorr due to all the absences. I lean scum currently because I think they'd have more trouble writing thoughts if they were scum under their current time constraints (I don't know what they're having a hard time with currently).

I feel like scum dann does this dissapearence thing, then posts he is busy, comes back with 100 reasons why X is scum and gets town cred for it

pedit I skimmed through but feels self aware from dann to say "why is no one scumreading me?"

[JunkoChan]

the postcap here is 200. i don't really think any town here should be genuinely worried about it rn if they put any actual thought into it (unless they are a huge spam poster which we don't really have any of here), which is what makes it feel kinda faked concern

I am feeling the same thing he is talking about. I make a lot of borderline useless posts. Even though I doubt I'll hit the cap, I still feel bad making those posts. It is, indeed, a psychological thing.

Doesn't look like it to me since you proceeded to post one-liners again after this

I really want to see what Alisae does if Norwee gets close to elimination because that can maybe just locktown them forever.

I'd like to ask you to elaborate, but my guess is you don't want to until it happens. Why share this with us then?

Doesn't look like it to me since you proceeded to post one-liners again after this

Yes, that was me succeeding in stopping myself from doing the thing that I had just acknowledged I knew was bad. Hopefully Kitty can do likewise.

I'd like to ask you to elaborate, but my guess is you don't want to until it happens. Why share this with us then?

I don't have anything specific in mind but Ali is a pretty emotional and volatile player and so if they care very much about something they're more likely to let their alignment show.

Well, what was your conclusion S_S do you think Alisae is town this game? And which posts do you think point that way?

Huh? I was talking about what Alisae might do in the future.

skimming through Something_smart he never voted alisae

his entire iso is also at first glance one-liners

[JunkoChan]

i wonder why scum dannflor has given so few fucks about the game while his partners alisae and fire were doing a pretty good job overall

as someone who's been dunked by scum dann I find this not surprising if he did it this game

and if fire and alisae played as well as you say I don't think dann feels the need to push with them?

[JunkoChan]

catboi and dann in page 42 holy shit

it feels so weird to read tho because it's my slot, I have to read the hood now

[JunkoChan]

catboi and dann in page 42 holy shit

it feels so weird to read tho because it's my slot, I have to read the hood now

[JunkoChan]

page 2 and there's already a your mom joke, fun stuff

[JunkoChan]

Catboi keeps asking questions that I don't believe he actually cares about the answer to. 606 is like a fun sounding rebuttal and looks surface-level curious but I don't think a townie actually looks at Mistyx's post and asks themselves that question. I think it's fairly obvious what Mistyx was trying to accomplish. I find still find his response to fireisredsir in 825 skeevy. I don't think you tend to talk to someone like that unless you know they are town. I think

even if you are townreading

that person, you still interrogate that process because that is the point I would consider maybe someone slipped up. Catboi claims he did interrogate fire but the tone and phrasing of the question, again, does not make me believe catboi is actually interested in an answer. I don't know what catboi hoped to gain from asking me if I felt Marashu was the best vote in 900. It feels like a good productive question but I feel a townie goes the extra step of realizing, hey, Dannflor is voting Marashu, what other answer is he going to give but "yes."

The other major problem is that I feel like his pushes are inorganic. 352 looks like its designed to showcase that catboi is continually thinking about the game and rereading. I don't see a believable thorough line here as to why he went back to this post. My vision might be colored a little bit here because I've been nurturing the theory that catboi/Marashu is S/S for some time now, but it really reads to me like catboi made that push because he realized he hadn't interacted with Marashu well enough yet / his interactions with Marashu were bad. And again, I don't feel like catboi is looking for anything in particular from Marashu. He doesn't wait for a response before moving on. I don't think catboi

got

anything out of that.

My first reaction to the KittyTacky push was that I did not expect town!catboi to jump on KittyTacky so aggressively. I still don't think the case for KittyTacky scum is very strong. I realize this is contradictory as I wouldn't really be surprised if KittyTacky flipped scum. But my scum read there is more lazy than anything else. I don't feel passionate about it. I don't think there's really a good reason yet to feel passionate about it. I think KittyTacky's 583 is surface level scummy, but the hop onto the Norwee wagon would give me pause. I would expect "newbscum" to be a lot more self conscious about votes that don't have personal reasons attached. The underexplaining of the vote makes me reconsider. It feels like a very easy thing to jump on and I just... am surprised catboi felt more passionate about that than anything else in the game. I expect prodding at that or even voting it. I don't really expect the aggression catboi displayed. It feels like the exact type of thing I would jump on as scum because whew it's so easy and so

obviously

scummy.

I feel like catboi has been the one holding our PT at arms length the most. I feel like I'm ripping this straight from catboi's post, but he feels so supremely "just there." He's been doing some mediation between Datisi and S_S which feels so unnecessary and LAMIST. The thread health of our neighborhood isn't a big enough issue, Datisi and S_S weren't even getting heated. It felt like doing catboi was doing something because he knew it looked towny not because he actually thought it was going to help the game. Like, I also thought their spat in our hood was making it very obvious they were both town, but I did not want to stop it because it felt very very revealing the more they got down into it. I also just think before then catboi has had a disturbing lack of reactions to anything happening in the hood. Mastina had a huge entrance. Datisi had a big emotional reaction at the start of the hood. Catboi has been deliberate in not giving early reads on either me or Datisi, and for some time I gave catboi the benefit of the doubt that he was just in information gathering phase. But I don't really get the sense that catboi has been like, genuinely responding to these events, even in a very delayed fashion.

Now, catboi is accusing me of the same thing which... I think is accurate to an extent. I have pretty deliberately been on observation mode so far this game. Partially for lack of time and partially because I haven't felt very confident on any scum reads yet. I don't get the sense that catboi is lacking either confidence in his pushes or that he's deliberately being more passive. For some reason his hood presence is just way less than his main thread presence.

Catboi outing his read on me has given me some pause. It's probably the first push I like in the sense that I wouldn't consider it on an easy target. It does show some thinking about the game behind the scenes. I'm not too surprised by it. I had a feeling the spicy scum read was me. I think I'm probably still firmly within my scum range.

however, I
1) don't like the way catboi outed the read. the leadup to it > to outing it when I outed my scum read of catboi feels overly performative. catboi hasn't really trying to poke or prod me at all outside of me beginning interactions with him. that's not what I would expect from someone who has been nursing a genuine scum read on me for a majority of the game.

2) don't like the way catboi seems to not actually want me dead. continues to feel performative. I think if catboi genuinely scum read me to the strength he claims, he would campaign for my elimination. and he should. He is already undercutting himself by saying he doesn't think I will get eliminated D1. I have been eliminated D1 as scum before. I don't think catboi is someone to get hungup on player charisma or popularity or whatever. I think if catboi had a strong scum read on Datisi, he would do his best to make that elimination happen. I don't think it's any different for me. as such, this push feels more about discrediting me and looking town then actually either sorting me or trying to kill me

okay I have no idea wtf is dann talking about here

I can agree that catboi was "just there" in the hood, but catboi did say "I'm busy" I might be biased here because I know he was proably telling the truth but I can see that

I agree push on kitty was bad

what I don't agree is that his posts were "lamist" or that he was doing mediation between S_S and Datisi, it was mostly datisi S_S and Dann talking for like 6 pages before catboi posted his read on Dann in the OT

and in the end I dont like this passive agressive conclusions "this is not why I expect from someone townreading me" "you should be pushing me harder" "were you hesitating because of my charisma" it all brings back memories of scum!dann

but then this happens in the thread a few pages after

mastina came into our hood and immediately locked town datisi/catboi/myself because we were vibing

idk what to make of that

Best flip in the game from my pov no cap. If people are down I am in to flashwagon it.

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Mastina

dann drops the read on catboi entirely, or at least for a few pages and pushes a mastina wagon? because aalisae said she was bored of big posts????? excuse me?

would you mind explaining your town read on mastina, catboi

would you mind explaining your town read on mastina, catboi

I thought that her reads made sense for her mainly in the fact that I disagreed with her scumreads

catboi says he townreads mastina and dann is like okay cool beans

and then alisae and fire have this exchange:

the catboi/dann thing is interesting ig. it feels like they're both kinda puffing their chests up a lil bit, maybe just bc it's all very... cordial? it feels like there's a slight lack of. something. behind the posts, intensity or conviction maybe. some of it feels a bit like writing for the sake of writing rather than like, a true reflection of a passionate scumread of the heart

that could just come from being 2 good players early on in the game who are aware that even if they find the other to be suspicious so far, it's hard to be confident in a read, so idk

i kinda still am more nervous about catboi of the two but it could be a playstyle thing that im not used to

I tend to think their catboi is a different playstyle and I dunno if they do it purposely or I just don't understand it but I think it slightly controls for the approach.

This is basically correct fwiw, I attempt to play differently on different alts. Nice of you to notice.

like i think this is probably part of it bc i mostly townread him when he's more in vibey casual less-wall-y mode and that's probably just more what im used to

the catboi/dann thing is interesting ig. it feels like they're both kinda puffing their chests up a lil bit, maybe just bc it's all very... cordial? it feels like there's a slight lack of. something. behind the posts, intensity or conviction maybe. some of it feels a bit like writing for the sake of writing rather than like, a true reflection of a passionate scumread of the heart

Could be theater

i thought of that but then i figured like... i would kinda expect them to be more performative on the aggression if it's theatre? like if they're doing it then might as well go all out

instead it sort of feels like neither really wants to fully step on the other's toes

which is rather polite of them and that sort of thing should probably be encouraged, so

i would kinda expect them to be more performative on the aggression if it's theatre? like if they're doing it then might as well go all out

What makes you think they have to be more performative about it?

I've seen Dann do theater before I don't remember it being at all performative but rather, and quite literally, a waste of everyone's time and did not really change any reads.

i would kinda expect them to be more performative on the aggression if it's theatre? like if they're doing it then might as well go all out

What makes you think they have to be more performative about it?

I've seen Dann do theater before I don't remember it being at all performative but rather, and quite literally, a waste of everyone's time and did not really change any reads.

maybe ig, it just kinda feels like if it was theatre then it was clearly orchestrated and way planned in advance, since catboi had his "secret spicy scumread" for a while to build up to it, and it just kinda feels to me like they'd go at it a little more?

i don't really know what dann scum looks like tbh though

are you saying you think this looks like how dann does theatre? what's your read on the two of them

It has occurred to me that Alisae hasn't played in a full year and their approach this game doesn't really reflect that at all, which is pretty confusing to me. They're confident they can read Norwe better than anyone else, but Norwe has been playing an additional year of mafia while they haven't. It doesn't make sense to me, but I actually don't think it's scummy. Just weird.

What is the ideal of me that you have in ur head?
I don't really have anything else to go off of other than what I know.
I feel like what I see is clearly in line with what I know of town!Norwee. I remember Norwee as scum being pretty aggro but I don't know how that developed but I also know that however that did develop, that's probably not what I am dealing with here? Seems more likely he's just town that's the simpler conclusion to come to right now and I imagine Norwee will only get easier to read as time goes on so I am happy to leave it at that.

--

maybe ig, it just kinda feels like if it was theatre then it was clearly orchestrated and way planned in advance, since catboi had his "secret spicy scumread" for a while to build up to it, and it just kinda feels to me like they'd go at it a little more?

i don't really know what dann scum looks like tbh though

are you saying you think this looks like how dann does theatre? what's your read on the two of them

Why would they go at it more and waste their own posts when no one cares?
I'm not necessarily saying it is theater, I didn't read because it looked fucking obnoxious, and you know what, maybe that's obnoxiousness is intentional, maybe it's not, it's not easy to tell with that posting and asking me to find out I would rather bang my head against a wall while drooling
I remember liking Catboi and Dann seems fine but they're also good scum players so it's not like something like this can't be theater

ok yea i mean i don't think its impossible to be theatre either

i don't really feel like that's the most likely option tho

I think its safe to say they're aligned with each other

I think its safe to say they're aligned with each other

idk if this is a serious take or not lol

if it is then what makes you say this given you said you didn't read it

what I meant by I didn't read it is I didn't read all teh wall posting in depth, what I did read is that it seemed like they were both pushing each other for being at arm's length, which makes me think they're aligned with each other

is this S_S_S back to back to back? idk

[JunkoChan]

page 52 dann after changing his vote a couple times swaps to mastina and is followed AGAIN by Alisae and norwee

[JunkoChan]

Okay,
so
I'll be real here.

My meta on Mastina is basically:
Will Mastina have a meltdown?
Y: Scum.
N: Town.

They had a meltdown.

I'm fine with this. For the day.
VOTE: Mastina

Ah, I see what you're saying for plot reasons one kitty leaves the clan/is evil.
While Titus is the good rogue kitty that comes in to shore up the clan that had a loss/betrayal.
Makes sense from a plot point perspective.

...I forgot what Ydra said about this. *shrug* I'm sure someone will dig it up.

i guess i got my answer

[JunkoChan]

I guess I’d like the next person on my list to claim
Now.

what list?

[JunkoChan]

-*reads pm*
-how do I even claim this?

rowanclaw protector of the starclan

im from the shadowclan

im apprentice

and i am "loyal of the last" which basicly is a doctor

[JunkoChan]

it hasn't been used it's a 1 shot too

[JunkoChan]

basicly is a doctor

By this, are you claiming Doctor or a Doctor-like role?

it's a doctor-like role there's something about it I think i shouldn't say tho

[JunkoChan]

It's a possibility.
I don't really think how S_S reacted to SCRRDbear was terribly different from how I reacted to it.

quote?

ebwop

[JunkoChan]

Because T3 is objectively scummy while Alisae is objectively most informative.
Comparing these two i'd bet my money on T3 flipping scum, but Alisae is a great source of information while also being a great potential scum slot.
T3 flip on the other hand gives us... what exactly?

double busing? unlikely

Charloux is town, ergo Freedom is town

[JunkoChan]

I guess I might finish reading tomorrow, I'm at 115, I saw 2852 and went to see Dann iso, there's a case on kitty and E3 that I don't think i can read right now

I'm at:

JunkoChan's pile

Town pile
Lukewarm
Furtive
Bell
Freedom

scum pile
Cephrir (hot take)
Something_smart
Dannfloor

[JunkoChan]

I also find it strange that Junko openly quotes the points where Dann/Ali/Norwee become a voting block, with it all three times that Junko referencing being Dann votes, Ali follows without questioning if scum would avoid being such a voting block vs whether scum Ali would be following a town!dann. Which is my take on reading it now that it has been brought up.

Spoiler:

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: Mastina

----

VOTE: kittytacky

VOTE: Kitty
Norwee abandon ship

----

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: mastina

I am gonna come out and say that I have information about Marashu, we should not yeet them.

We do not have a lot of time left which is why I am coming out with that right no, to prevent any quick yeet.

You can neglet trusting me but it is what it is.

I am not going to disclose said information unless things become too ugly.

Alright then.
VOTE: Mastina

1 i did question if Dann!scum team would be that obvious to make a theatre around dann because of what i said after s_s_s being Ali fire dann seems like a stretch but idk maybe?

2 timing around the Datisi vote is what actually made me read things out of order because the timing is too perfect and Dann hammered that vote

3 i didn't said all those votes are from Dann I said the same voting block repeated out of thin air

So all in all i think you are reading my posts wrong and misreping them or idk what you are doing Luke

[JunkoChan]

I also find it strange that Junko openly quotes the points where Dann/Ali/Norwee become a voting block, with it all three times that Junko referencing being Dann votes

[JunkoChan]

I think You read like 2-3 of My posts lol

[JunkoChan]

I'm on My phone and it's annoying to search for the posts, ctrl+f My ISO for Datisi i explained what i saw

[JunkoChan]

Oh i see now, what i said still appllies let me look for it

[JunkoChan]

is this S_S_S back to back to back? idk

[JunkoChan]

S_s_s being Ali/fire/dann "scum theatre" i'm asking how likely that is, so You saying i didn't is bs

[JunkoChan]

Is there a reason that of all of the things that I said about you, the only thing you feel the need to respond to is "But I did stop and ask if this could be S/S/S?"

Because I said more then that, and this does not feel like a good faith response to everything that I said. To narrow in on a single sentence that you think you have something you can point back at to "prove" me wrong.

I did Say i'm on phone right? I'll be here tonight and we can talk more about it

[JunkoChan]

Is now a good time to mass claim?

Sure.

Danflorr
Flow trap.
Freedom
S_S
Cephrir
Luke.

@S_S it's your turn

[JunkoChan]

well we didn't exactly agree on that but Bell told me to claim since dann hasn't showed and then freedom did too,

[JunkoChan]

what does fruit vendor even do

[JunkoChan]

It's a vanilla cop.

a vanilla cop in a game that doesn't have vanillas according to Cephrir?

[JunkoChan]

that someone* targeted them

so a tracker that doesn't receive the result, the target receives the result?

[JunkoChan]

[quote="In post 5162, furtiveglance"][/quote]

what a shitty role

[JunkoChan]

I am starting to think that Dann might be a mistake.

I may be projecting my own Game Feelings onto him, but I just feel like Scum!Dann would not just... be completely absent this day phase, with the amount of suspicion on him. Like, I know that real life is a thing, but I feel like if he were scum with such a demanding real life scenario that does not let him engage at all with the day, he would be more likely to rep out then just... leave his partner hanging for the day.

On the other hand, I have steadily grown more suspicious over JunkoChan's slot. Flow Trap was already a sinking read, and then her catch up has felt inorganic to me. There was a level of feeling like she was setting out with the goal of town reading me in the way she interacted with Val, but also the way she interacted with her scum read on Bell early on felt acted.

Clearest example imo is the Question / Response of 5040 which felt focused on Making A Point about Bell that it missed that in the very Vote Count she quoted, the majority of the surviving slots were on Mastina.

FINAL VOTE COUNT

[11]

mastina

: Shiro,

Dannflor

, fireisredsir,

Val89

,

Bell

, PenguinPower,

NorwegianboyEE

, Alisae, Titus, Marashu, Mistyx

That is 4 out of the 7 Not!junkochan slots still alive on Mastina, and there does not seem to be any form of deeper thought put into thinking about that, despite her having A Thought that led her to check the vote count to begin with.

Again, more focused on Making The Point that Bell called mastina town, then voted there, then thinking about why he voted there or why half the remaining players did either.

And even makting That Point, she does not do the follow up on it look for when Bell's read changed. She made the point, then went back to reading the game chronologically, which felt very ?? to me as well.

I was casing bell at the moment

sorry for not posting an unnecesary case on why I think Bell after I realised Bell is town I dropped the read, exactly here i told Bell that I dropped the read: 5078 after explaining what I was looking at in: 5074

want the reason?

alisae and fire interactions with him, if you want me to quote okay dude, but it all ends with Bell is town

sorry for not reading every letter in every god forsaken post in this 200 pages game I decided to rep in

I decided to keep reading to see if there was early association between dann and/or S_S and the already flipped roles and that's what I'm doing right now, I said it was worth looking at Datisi's lim for YOU guys to go and check it while I catch up

I stopped at 115, and I'm still at 115 because I'm pissed right now and I don't think I can read, but we still have 5 days for this phase, let me know if you are going to vote me off anyway so I don't waste my fking time trying to solve

sorry If this sounds rude, but I wrote this while annoyed

[JunkoChan]

Yeah, I still think that Junko is scum, and my top choice for elimination.

@Bell, your solve was Dann+Junko, lets do Junko first, and then we can debate if they were actually partnered later

Clarification i'm not mad at you or your read Even tho i know You are wrong, is unrelated to this game

But ok, final thoughts it's between s_s Dann and ceph

Peace.

[JunkoChan]

Yeah, I still think that Junko is scum, and my top choice for elimination.

@Bell, your solve was Dann+Junko, lets do Junko first, and then we can debate if they were actually partnered later

Clarification i'm not mad at you or your read Even tho i know You are wrong, is unrelated to this game

But ok, final thoughts it's between s_s Dann and ceph

Peace.

No worry that I am scum pushing you get me and a partner to 2 v 4 Melo?

I already said i think you are town, if you want to be in elo be my guest i don't want that, i always vote first in "finalX" because i don't like to deal with it

[JunkoChan]

Or freedom, who followed me?

I don't think you are scum, i don't think Freedom is scum, You didn't even read my posts...

[JunkoChan]

What do you think it means for Danns alignment that both ceph and ss posted without saying anything about either wagon with you and Dann currently existing as dueling wagons?

*sigh*

let's pretend im still interested

Dann is afk and apparently has been afk for a while I guess 1 could be bussing for town cred

[JunkoChan]

Or freedom, who followed me?

I don't think you are scum, i don't think Freedom is scum, You didn't even read my posts...

Uh.
Can you explain your TR on me using something other than that one post from Charloux?

I haven't reach the point where you rep in and I don't have the will power to get there if all I'm going to get is Junko is "pointing at specific stuff" no shit sherlock, you want me to quote every single thing from the last 200 pages or to catch up fast?, like luke said I didnt pay attention to the fact that there's 4 people alive from that mastina vote ok then what? one of them could be mafia yes.. what am I saying? I sorted all 4 of them

I said I think val89 looks town therefore luke is town
I said norwee looks town therefore furtive is town
I said Bell looks town
I pointed dann could be mafia

and about charloux I was null until I got to that post and i think it would be weird for charloux to go, yeah "let's not kill T3 who looks awful at that point, let's wagon alisae!"

[JunkoChan]

I don't know if my reads are outdated btw I don't know much past 115

[JunkoChan]

so i wouldn't have to make any decisions

You could just sheep Bell if you want.
Though, I think that Junko's a better elimination because her catchup felt like she had an agenda.

-it's back to being happy
-comes to the thread to see what happened
-reads "junko had an agenda"
-goes back to play pokemon

if this is what you think an agenda is idk what to tell you man

[JunkoChan]

btw i asked S_S in our clan what's your read on Dann?, he answered "idk" fun stuff

[JunkoChan]

so i wouldn't have to make any decisions

You could just sheep Bell if you want.
Though, I think that Junko's a better elimination because her catchup felt like she had an agenda.

-it's back to being happy
-comes to the thread to see what happened
-reads "junko had an agenda"
-goes back to play pokemon

if this is what you think an agenda is idk what to tell you man

I was talking about your catchup not your general ISO.

my iso IS my catch up

[JunkoChan]

I mean you spent some parts of your ISO talking about your catchup.
By the way, what is your read on Dann, again?
And who you want to kill today?

I got annoyed halfway my read

I think last 2 are between cep dann s_s I feel like s_s is like, just there? during pretty much the entire game

and have a meta read on dann, that he starts with walls and ends with bricks which i think fits this game state

(this only based on early-midgame interactions)

so without putting 100% effort I think I would lim dann or s_s today

[JunkoChan]

I see.
Why aren't you voting Dann, then?

tru VOTE: Dannfloor

[JunkoChan]

I thought i did at some point

[JunkoChan]

Really hard to believe that this is a real take coming from someone who is actually thinking about who is scum in this game

Because at that point i'm not?

Like My tr on you has nothing to do with you and i'm starting to think I might be wrong

If you are scum fine you discouraged me from playing the game, cool beans move on

If you are town you are looking in the wrong place

[JunkoChan]

Literally zero hard feelings Junko,

I genuinely liked to be liked, so sorry that I wasn't likable to you this game. You seem like an alright person. Thanks for replacing in.

Ah, no hard feelings i just don't feel like trying

At least neither of us will have to deal with ella in this game

[JunkoChan]

Elo*

[JunkoChan]

I mean 4 replacements 2 afk and 2 eh low poster players(?) Hard cookie to chew

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Junko

That's E-1