New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

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I'm here I'm town I didn't read anything

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including the set up. so the pairs are both town or both scum?

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NorwegianboyEE

has left the dance. he was aligned with the

town

.

Aristeia

has left the dance. she was aligned with the

mafia

.

okay that's wild. and then we have to kill both of them? or is there alternate voting when we don't have to vote for a pair?

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For what it's worth after midway/Enchant I think Meuh may be my biggest town read for the fact she was kinda saying Ari wasn't very suss but Norwe was. It's an incredibly calculating thing to do if it's fake considering she probably doesn't have that much experience as scum.

I don't wanna conveniently insert myself as a better town pair than ydra/fire though, I would rather just kill you and fiŕe, and if I am wrong on both I die.

that does look good meuh

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We always vote for a pair, after one more elimination mafia will get to kill a town/town pair and then we carry on voting

okay, but only three people died, so how did that happen?

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also thanks for explaining the gamestate and whatnot to me <3

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We only kill in pairs. By the way I have correctly scum read and helped on the two scum flips so far here, and I have a recommendation for the third. Wanna sheep me please?

You just gotta vote MariaR and we may get the third

okay maybe, but I wanna stick around and like, talk, for a bit. wasn't maria saying she bussed if she is scum? doesn't she have towncred as well?

I've been meaning to give you a TR for your approach in these pages, btw. I'm sorry I'm not gonna read the game but it's an 8 hour read.

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She kept calling ari/norwe scum but never voting them, I called her out on it and it got awkward for her to bus, she said she would hammer but didn't do even that.

Please save me from this boredom and just vote her. Some people want happiness in their life, some want love, some want wealth and most want all of that.

Me?

I just want MariaR flip. So please help me with this late Xmas gift to me.

I wanna spend my day at the pool and I'll get to do just that in a bit.

so, I'm not really in a hurry shirou, sorry. can you link me to where things got awkward?

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alright sure, we can talk there

I skimmed through the PT now and didn't see the paranoia, was it only on public?

what's your read on me/irrel?

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what do you think of these wagons? are you voting maria for maria, or for furtive? how about unowen and vpbaltar?

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shirou, what's your read on dragons?

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furtive, what's your read on maria?

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I feel more inclined to go to the VP baltar's wagon rather than the maria/furtive wagon. I'm vibing with furtive a bit and I liked his response to what he thinks of maria, and I think the PT answer at least means they are using the PT together which means they're not both scum.

pool now and I'm back later

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Yeah let's vote out a random pair I don't even scumread just because my townread wants it

Are you really that kind of player?

You think I haven't scum read Shea/Maria this game? You also seem heavily invested in survivalism more than scum hunting. Your squad is not a bad bet at all for scum, even if there are some doubts I have on each of you.

If Maria is somehow red, I'm a clown. But they aren't. So you're a clown.

I'm not gonna sit here and take this. Was waiting on GL to be my Superman but apparently not.

I think Gimli is Town but STD is just lazy scum

VOTE: SaveTheDragons/Gimli

I kind of like dragons now on our PT, fwiw.

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also I think it's probably towny to show suspicion about your pair openly, and I like that he is doing so when we're a potential wagon.

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@maria, what's your read on furtive?

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it's my fault isn't it

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it's my fault isn't it

a little, but STD comment about irrel hood activity helped me realize some of the reasons I viewed him as obv town don't rlly hold up. I still prefer VPB/Owen, but ur next

Our PT is pumping almost as hard as the main thread since I got here.

What do you find fishy about me? Since "a little".

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There aren't specific posts that make me townread him, but I feel that he is too confident in his own status to be scum. All the stuff about "will to live" being scummy I disagree with because it's a pretty common for town players to say they are town without really saying why (or having good reasons why in this case). Idk how convincing it is to you, but that's why I prefer vpb/un or even ur pair gone today.

I like this read quite a lot and I like How Midway vibes in this gamethread.

Follow me for more useless takes

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i don’t think shea ever does what he did this game as scum
sorry not sorry but that would be so gross to start up and then whine about toxicity you took part it knowing how it didn’t even matter because it came from someone prodding at you

i don’t think anyone’s made a really compelling case for furtive being scum and i’m still waiting
i feel like i’m waiting for reasons on a ton of things that i’m not getting

Who's shea and when did that thing you're talking about happened?

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The above is dramatic and toxic, sorry.

But I am going crazy here getting into arguments with people about MariaR, haven't been able to concentrate on stuff outside of the game and etc. I need to disconnect myself from this game if I am not getting MariaR flip ever (What sounds like it's gonna happen? You all want to kill the people that can/do cast votes on her).

If the pair needs to die eventually anyway, why not now?

If you think the pair is t/t...well, I disagree and don't know how to engage this game freshly with that perspective on mind. So I may be the problem and need to chill out.

can you point to that awkward moment you mentioned with mariaR, that's apparently got you to be so sure she is scum?

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Furitives focus has been on survival when a town mindset is one that may require sacrifice. You may have to kill your partner if they're scum in a dance game. So the right mindset would be to sort your partner and figure out if you need to leave.

Instead, furitive has done absolutely NOTHING to advance the town win condition except sheep the IC who was right about the pair but wrong about the person. Could be a bus. His only real case is an OMGuS vote because I'm apparently lazy scum (no elaboration) so I think he's projecting.

OTOH he is extremely damn sure that maria is town. I wonder if she thinks the same.

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I might start going in 'survival mode' if I'm too confident you're town too, dragons. and I'm starting to believe you really hard.

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Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

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What do you find fishy about me? Since "a little".

I didn't really get why you had to say you were town and didn't read anything in ur first post. Bit of an awkward intro.
felt like you were stalling out Shirou a bit, potentially from an informed angle
and you ask a bit too much questions which idk why i found scummy but yea
mostly just series of small pings that prevented me from liking ur entrance

I am town and I didn't read the game before posting didn't know the setup was too lazy to read it etc.

stalling shirou where? when he wanted me to vote maria? would it make sense for me to vote her or something?

and ok you find me scummy, I think you're towny, I don't like this post you made too much but I also maybe pressured you to put into word some feelings you had that don't amount to anything decent

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Nothing else she's done points to town.

I think she's town rn cuz she came out of both flips ready to solve

What do you mean?

after cakez flipped scum, she noted that cakez is a known busser and started pulling quotes. I didn't get an agenda-y vibe from it.
after ari flipped scum, she started pushing you/vpb and pulled up a gazillion vote counts.
I feel that scum generally don't come in with so much energy after their buddies have gotten flipped.

that's great I'll sheep your ydrassse read

@unowen: I'll get to your question when I get there, but let me ask you something: what do you think of baltar?

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Gimli I ask you the same

I have no idea what you're talking about actually

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let me go find what part of the thread you're talking about, I just got into the game and don't know what happened between enchant and midway

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Gimli I ask you the same

I have no idea what you're talking about actually

the question that I asked midway about Enchant - his play as scum would be a ridiculously counterproductive risk
y/n? I think yes should be the obvious answer if you look at it but maybe people disagree

it was him and cakez left, yes? it makes sense as scum to play that way. I think, more importantly, it might be spewing midway town if enchant is town, since they went for a player they had every reason to distance themselves from. that is, if I read the situation correctly.

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it's WIFOM so it shouldn't be read either way. which means, also, that we don't try to parse out enchant for that play, cause we go straight into WIFOM territory as it as nonsensical for his wincon if he is town and if he is mafia. my 2c.

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otoh flipping enchant doesn't sound like a bad idea

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ah. yeah I think midway is town. let's not flip enchant then

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did enchant start telling people not to pick him only after it was him and cakez left?

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midway, what's your read on enchant? how's PT going? I'm guessing it's not going anywhere

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i need GL to come back to our story PT

what do you think of GL?

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Meuh's post is way too large and what I read wasn't any good, feels like busywork to me but IDK I just got here

it looked fine to me, and there's no way scum meuh puts that much effort at this stage in the game

I'll trust your read again

do we change partners next dance? I wanna dance with midwaybear, I wanna pocket them in our PT

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unfortunately im already pocketed by enchant

I'm not jealous

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midway what's your read on baltar?

I'm asking many things and trying to read parts of the game at the same time. if it's annoying people I'll stop

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yo all these quick pairs are sus af

to be less obnoxiously vague - mainly not a fan of Drapion slot/Aristeia or StD/Irrel.

hey do you think this spews me/std town? would cakez be randomly suspicious about two pairs that formed that contains both his team mates?

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writing a huge thing without pushing anything feels like busywork, which is why I had a problem with it. but I'm sheeping midway's read anyway.

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Midway has been calling me scum since before people paired and hasn't waivered

yes and your beetlejuicing in the thread is noted

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VP Baltar
VP Baltar
VP Baltar

and he shows up

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midway what's your read on baltar?

in my poe

what else is in your poe

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in your defence I didn't know GL was IC and yes I suck and it sucks to suck

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what's scaring you?

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I'm scared I am dancing with a scum

lol already hard pocketed, you poor thing

dw I'm town, it's ok to have feelings for me

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I kinda think this was scummy now, furtive.

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@mariaR I'll ask you again in case you miss it: what do you think of furtive?

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kind of liking baltar around the pages 27-29 or so. he wasn't paired and wasn't making a big deal out of it. although, of course, with unpaired team mates it does make sense to be holding your own. still, too relaxed, pointing things out, scumhunting, solving. not a bad look.

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Is fire not a substance player as scum too?

And like that seems like a read that you would probably sit on for a bit this early in the game to see how things develop rather than just throw it out there and let potential fire!scum know you're noticing a content difference.

I.e. I'm not sure it feels real to me.

I think there's a nonzero chance I'm the old maid here, so I wanted to put my reads out there. I also missed a lot when I was out today, so figure I need to give people some insight into my reads so they have some way to read me in case I do stick around.

this guy is probably town

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from what I remember, enchant is hard to read, but at least tries to win as both alignments. I think as scum, he probably doesn't give up as quick cuz the buddies are there for support. As town, maybe there's genuine frustration. But yea, I don't typically like making reads based off ATE because it's always hard to tell. I thought in this situation it's more town than NAI.

I guess I don't really see that post as necessarily giving up

I saw it as a post that's designed to try to get picked out of sympathy

with a possible side benefit of anti-spew if it becomes clear he is going to be left out. contrast with VPB trying to give reads/directions if he's limmed

this is just a good post I'm quoting cause it's a good post

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Enchant is probably town while Cakez is null.

Defeatist attitude is unattractive though so can't hold it against midway if he goes the other way.

strong from UNOwen considering how so many people were townreading cakez or arguing cakez over enchant (TSQ, shirou, fireisredsir). also I think enchant is town now.

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are we sure shirou is town? is this thing he is doing outside his scum range etc?

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I don't think that kind of thinking is in Enchant's scumrange, he is pretty straight foward as scum in my experience.

wondering if this post comes from thinking enchant is spewed town when cakez flips. it reads like TMI that enchant is town, anyway.

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Can someone explain Aristeia's scum range to me like I'm 5.

this has the timing of a towny sussing a scum

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I skimmed the thread and I see a lot of what I feel like I'm picking up on here which is you poking at things that I don't think are particularly meaningful.

why did you find my pair suspicious sircakez

bc I know ur reason for pairing up is the funny skirt jacket thing but behind that there's definitely possible scum motivation

like what even is this reasoning for STD?

Like is this really a thing you think warrants a comment? Do you actually think its something thats in any way an alignment indicative thing or are you just poking at minor mental short cuts that scum and town both do all the time?

I'm hard townreading mariaR's slot

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definitely didn't expect the long skirt short jacket joke to get so much airtime

I want a girl with a short skirt and a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
jacket

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are we sure meuh is town?

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I think scum!Ari would back down and basically just tell you that you're right

Meuhhh are you a wolf

.

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gimli locktown now

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yeah idk

it got really late and I'm tired so maybe I was starting to see meuh's takes in those pages as indicative of scum because they sound made up

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I wish ausuka was towny so I could stop worrying about maria/furtive. I think there's very little chance ari/tsq was a svs interaction.

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okay

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Yeah I also unironically think I may have been right on my early read on Ausuka and Furt can simply be scum.

furtive, yes. maria, IDTS.

and I didn't say you were wrong, just pointed at how monothematic you've been. you are probably wrong on Maria, but the game isn't easy so it's ok.

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if maria flips town, but furtive flips scum, you'll probably remember it as your death tunnel being correct, and then you'll do it again since you're proud.

anyway. I need coffee.

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Like, from the last pages or so of Furt. His progression and approach to this game is weird.

the old folk would say that he is howling, yes

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Like, from the last pages or so of Furt. His progression and approach to this game is weird.

the old folk would say that he is howling, yes

Weird how

Yes I'm howling watch me flip and be amazed at your skill

Its more about your self aware beetlejuicing but also im expecting you to be more gamesolvey

Wheres maria

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Whats the case on enchant?

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Gimli actually feels like they know I an wrong as a matter of fact. TMI?

if you read my posts you'd know how I feel about TSQ's interactions with Ari being very unlikely SvS, and for that I'm hard townreading mariaR's slot.

I spent hours working on parts of the game and posting my thoughts here, but surely you didn't read (while making everyone read your extremely long emotional posts)

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that last part was unnecessary and I'm sorry. @shirou

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my vote was mainly for owen.

this game became significantly less fun

so i stopped following as much but as ever willing to vote elsewhere.

what happened

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if I'm scum I still made a compelling argument for why I'm townreading mariaR's slot. or, at least, if I'm scum and I know maria is town I'm pointing at something that happened ITT that's a strong case for why she is town.

also, I'm not whiteknighting and I might end up eliminating the pair so we can flip furtive. I just wanted to know what Maria thinks of their PT together, and whatnot, before I vote anyone.

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unwilling to talk about it.

what can I do to make it fun again?

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what's your read on STD, Baltar?

also re: Ari and TSQ, I'm not even talking about the short skirt long jacket, but #908 #913 #926.

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with a near dead scum waiting to be flipped, to put ari on the spot like that as her scumbuddy seems quite unlikely. but that's how I'm reading it. I could be wrong. I could be a wolf howwwwwl.

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Have Save or VP gone over yet? No? Unlucky

hi, maria, what do you think of furtive?

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sorry y'all this first week back at work + life kinda kicked my ass, I have not read since last time I was here

I will definitely definitely play today

can someone tl;dr the Baltar/UNOwen wagon in the mean time
I don't think I've felt scumvibes from either

I'm pretty sure nearly every vote is a vote for Baltar than it is for Owen, but if someone wants to correct me on this they can.

I personally think Balter has just made a ton of posts for the sake of trying to look busy. It's a lot of words and questions, but the end results and the way he's using them do not feel like coming from a town slot trying to solve. He's also extremely survivalistic, and normally, that is not a problem because villagers can be that way, but considering Baltar has openly said they have paranoia of their partner. (And tbh I think that statement was just made to look good also) it makes less sense.

The only time Baltar ever gets huffy is at Midway or myself or formally TSQ for going at them. It's a very readable pattern that does not feel right.

hard disagree that baltar has been 'extremely survivalistic', but maybe I missed posts where he behaved that way. can you point to those?

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The only time Baltar ever gets huffy is at Midway or myself or formally TSQ for going at them. It's a very readable pattern that does not feel right.

I got huffy at you?

Where do you think I'm being survivalistic as well?

Huffy might not be the proper word I'm looking for, maybe. . . showed an amount of frustration.

Do you think you haven't been? It feels like a lot of your votes have been for the sake of living than voting people you think is a wolf considering what I've read about you.

the most survivalistic person in this game is furtive. are you townreading him?

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Baltar leaving if town would probably be protown yeah. The nightkill would be interesting

I'm voting this by the end of the day.

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by 'this' I mean furtive.

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furtive can you point to the most recent post maria made in the thread where she says she townreads you?

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UNVOTE:

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lmao

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If Maria is somehow red, I'm a clown. But they aren't. So you're a clown.

I am prepared for both.

quoting this cause it deserves pagetop

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i regret ever doubting my dance partner

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VOTE: furtive:mariar

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I like him too

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kinda still think owen/baltar is more likely tho

my secret wolf is meuh

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She doesnt even really townread him. I'm confident she is town, but furtive seems by far our best shot at flipping scum

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why do you suspect firebringer, furtive? I don't think I've seen his name being thrown as potential scum yet

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what do you consider a scum pattern?

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@furtive wait so you said she was really town in your PT but your PT has very little maria actually?

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Spoiler:

furtive, what's your read on maria?

Seems really town to me. Really town. Not just saying that because I want to live, in the PT Maria is very towny

The above is dramatic and toxic, sorry.

But I am going crazy here getting into arguments with people about MariaR, haven't been able to concentrate on stuff outside of the game and etc. I need to disconnect myself from this game if I am not getting MariaR flip ever (What sounds like it's gonna happen? You all want to kill the people that can/do cast votes on her).

If the pair needs to die eventually anyway, why not now?

If you think the pair is t/t...well, I disagree and don't know how to engage this game freshly with that perspective on mind. So I may be the problem and need to chill out.

Idk man like I said before MariaR seems really town to me, in the PT and in the main thread. Only completed game with Maria is schadd's Large Normal (towngame) and I townread her quite early. If I'm wrong I'm a clown but that's the nature of mafia.

furtive was very survival focused in datisis cafe but i think he can be that way as town too was kinda what i was thinking when i referenced house of the dragon

it is true here tho that there is less incentive for town to be strictly survival oriented bc its possible your partner can be scum

ig whats hard is sorting through whether furtive's strong townread on maria is out of necessity or if it's a genuine read. if it's a genuine read then it's understandable that he would be survival focused, and i also think it's understandable that he would have that read

Yes I know we're not Masons, but I townread Maria. You guys aren't in our PT, so you don't know.

I guess I'd like to see receipts on how he got there

Is this about me on Maria?

Tone: Solving in thread, and has a consistent and compelling gameview in the PT

Logic/VCA: Was a counter to scum yesterday

this just really makes it sound to me like she has more than 5 posts whats up with that

it seems hard to even have a consistent and compelling gameview in only 5 posts

xpost

and yes

what's up with that

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that's ridiculously small

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the way you talked about PT made it seem like you were actually hanging out there. like, me and std have 50 posts since I replaced in and it's been like 28 hours since I did

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you misrepresented your PT for no reason, even if you're scum that's really bad

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the way you talked about PT made it seem like you were actually hanging out there. like, me and std have 50 posts since I replaced in and it's been like 28 hours since I did

Maria post: paragraph

Std post: some random meme

But yeah well done on being the better replacement

show us your best meme

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you're cute, furtive.

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IDK if misrepresenting the PT is scummy. it just makes no sense, unless they're both scum.

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i think it's somewhat shady bc it wasn't an outright lie but it did conveniently come at a time when there was a lot of suspicion on maria and people were asking for reasons for a townread there

i think exaggerating the towniness of the pt in that situation makes some sense for scum to do

you're right. I agree. it's late here, I should get some rest.

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good morning.

I'll try to read a few pages now

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please dont be someone who sucks please dont be someone who sucks

Famous last words

I vibe with you so much, too bad you're probably scum

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Down to yeet ari.

Also, this is wack af.

Unless you think ari was bussing cakez, which what is the basis for believing that?

Ari was giving reasoning to think enchant was town and was fairly consistently advocating that cakez be the person left out of the dance.

I'm quoting this cause it gives me pause and I think it's AI for both TSQ and VPB, maybe it points to both being town

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fireisred and midwaybear are ridiculously towny in those pages I'm reading

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Down to yeet ari.

Also, this is wack af.

Unless you think ari was bussing cakez, which what is the basis for believing that?

Ari was giving reasoning to think enchant was town and was fairly consistently advocating that cakez be the person left out of the dance.

ari's posting towards cakez felt similar to the way she busses and idk why you would expect her to be unlikely to bus cakez here

That's a lame ass bus if it is. I wouldn't give anyone actual long term credit if it that was how they did a bus.

Just seems like a half assed play if so, which isn't really my impression of ari. I think when she buses, she'd have a reason and do it more forcefully rather than making up reasons to town read the other person.

another important interaction

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VPB post cakez flip feels a little scummy actually

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methinks thou doth protest too much

ok and see this is what im saying you're still not trying to sort here

You're far enough down on my list, I don't feel a strong desire to quiz you. If irrel flips scum, you look much worse, and he's definitely my priority flip. Given how little actual scumhunting happened last phase, I'm not really trying to hero solve right now.

If you're so eager for me to town read you, then do something useful and find a scum. Whatever this is that you're doing isn't helping me read you.

like this almost feels robotic and he isn't melding with anyone else in those pages, especially wrt what I believe is not a hard take that ari could be bussing cakez (something TSQ picked up before the flip - that ari was scummy in those interactions - and fireisred had to explain to VPB). if I was scum I'd be defending Ari there, as well.

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it's about the tinfoil being the first thing that came to your minds

nah I think most tinfoils probably come from town
because if one of me/enchant is scum, it's the scumteam's goal to set us up super-town for how the end of the pre-dance went
so it doesn't make sense for another scum to just start questioning it immediately imo.
In the case that me/enchant t/t, it's just a wack take that i don't think scum generally care to make (cuz they're informed we're t/t and have no reason to suspect that others don't)

midway is full of good posts, this is just another one

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TSQ, we didn't interact but I miss you

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i don't expect you to be townreading me. im literally saying the opposite, that i expect you to be pushing me harder as your scumread. i expect you to take interest in my read on you and the reasoning for it. i expect you to not back away from an engagement with someone in your poe. instead you just keep throwing one liners and then backing off

Yes, sometimes I throw one liners at people I find mildly scummy to see what they do in response.

What is the engagement we're having exactly? You have a very bad read on irrel without much explanation. I would like to flip there first, and if he flips scum I will use that as leverage to flip you next possibly.

You seem to be making a point that I should be going through your ISO and quizzing you about your positions, and because I am not doing that right this minute, I am therefore being shady...but you haven't exactly explained why I should be doing that with great immediacy when you are not who I think looks worst off a cakez flip. That's the part that matters most, but you seem to be ignoring that for whatever reason.

i don't think you should be going through my ISO and quizzing me on my positions. i think that you should actually be reading the posts that i have been making right now and digging into them especially if they ping you as scummy. your first reaction to me suddenly pivoting from saying std/irrel is a good flip to saying that i want to flip you more is for you to say "chainsawing lol", and thats it? no question about where that came from? no attempt to catch me in a scum overreach? no investigating if the read even makes sense? no light comes on about seeing a scumteam trying to shut you out? instead you just go back to where you were before where im in the poe and not a priority sort for you.

it feels like you're going down a checklist of what you're supposed to be doing and not actually solving the game and then when you get called out for it you point at the list and say "but look! it says LIST OF TOWN THINGS TO DO at the top and im doing them! i must be town!"

some of you guys are really good at this game

[Gimli]

what if furtive is just clumsy

[Gimli]

VOTE: Baltar

[Gimli]

I really need to get into this PT with Owen.

are you gunna do what I'm going to do and only use your PT to flirt with your dance partner?

Given ausuka is probably scum, I can see this happening.

idk, I really liked how ausuka picked up on what I was just picking up on with meuh, didn't feel like she was trying to pocket me but could be wrong.

watch out, the tone police are out.

what about that is town?

How does it jive with your previously stated position that scum are more likely to diffuse and back down from an argument?

It's unclear to me if your thoughts are actually this inconsistent as town or if you're just scum?

These are two times that Shea would have typically yelled at me for being an asshole. Instead, it's like talking to waiter at a restaurant who knows he needs to be nice to get a tip.

I was going to wait a bit longer to see if this kept up, but given he wanted to start coming after me when I hinted at suspicion there, I think we should just put it out there.

I hope you're scum because this would be hilariously bad of you if you're town.

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[Gimli]

people scumreading maria: git gud

[Gimli]

Furtive has said actual zero words in the PT.

furtive replaces in and then kind of disappears for many pages.

[Gimli]

Furtive has said actual zero words in the PT.

Can you help me out with a TLDR or something? Replacing in is a bit difficult

so much beetlejuicing

[Gimli]

Given we lim in pairs, I think it's more useful for me to think about this in terms of how we whittle down pairs.

So my general thoughts on the game right now are:

SHOULD STAY DANCING FOREVER LIKE IN THE MOVIE GHOST.

Firebringer & GuiltyLion
Meuh & Shirou
fireisredsir & Ydrasse
midwaybear & Enchant

UNOwen & VP Baltar

NorwegianboyEE & Aristeia
Save The Dragons & Irrel
Thestatusquo & furtiveglance

BOOMER ASS SHIT, PLS STOP DANCING. CRINGE.

I literally just got here why am I at the bottom

that's an unreal question to be making as a replace in, it ignores that you're with a pair and it ignores that you had a predecessor. also points to SvS with baltar to be very quite fucking honest

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Its interesting that VPB doesn't seem to care at all that his entire argument against me is based on a flawed premise that he insulted me and I didnt care when I didn't even realize that he was insulting me.

Just doesn't care at all, so either is completely tunneled or is just full of crap.

Still leaning towards the latter.

VPB vibes as full of crap in his interactions with TSQ and this post sums it up nicely

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List the scummy shit I've done, please. You can't just assert I've "said scummy shit" when the only thing you deigned to comment on me from your catchup you agreed with.

Give quotes bruh.

Things shea has done:

1) Being a wimp all game until being called out about being a wimp.
2) Being a fake tough guy after being called out.
3) Advocating for keeping cakez over enchant.
4) Shitting on ari for pushing on cakez. (shirt-jacket nonsense)
5) Dropping the notion that shirou is maybe scum after catching cakez for being too in the know.


Now, perhaps the counter argument here is that Shea is once again scumsiding early in the game, and the lack of aggression early is a New Years good vibes shift. I personally think there is ample reason here to not let Shea live until endgame.

Also, who is he scumhunting here? Until I started pushing on him fairly directly, I couldn't tell you much of a position he had in the game. It was coasting and pretty meh at that.

that's absurdly forced and not real thoughts

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To be clear: I think Irrel/Save most likely hit scum
I think Ari/Now are best for information so I'll vote in them for now.

I'm tired of giving townpoints for TSQ but maria's replace in is instantly towny and this post is a good noncommital vote on what turned out to be scum

[Gimli]

FBer has a lot of scum equity, especially if I'm wrong on either VPB or furtive.

2 scums in VPB, furtive and FBer if this game is easy.

[Gimli]

To be clear: I think Irrel/Save most likely hit scum
I think Ari/Now are best for information so I'll vote in them for now.

I'm tired of giving townpoints for TSQ but maria's replace in is instantly towny and this post is a good noncommital vote on what turned out to be scum

she didnt actually vote but you understand my point

[Gimli]

so that's enough of gimli talks to himself show

I'll post more when people are around

[Gimli]

@fb: robotic as in not organic

[Gimli]

you're asking the wrong questions

[Gimli]

I'm skimming parts of this game that are awful to read like shirou vs maria

[Gimli]

norwegianboy MVP for killing a scum by being shady af

[Gimli]

Any reason I shouldn't put the pair on E-1? A flip to work off sounds nice

which pair, Norwee? I think that's fine.

Yeah, Norwee/Ari. Not my preferred flip but still a pretty decent one + it gives us more to work off of

Yeah, I think the Norwee, Maria and fireisred flips all give some level of info, probably in that order of utility. I don't think Ari is scum here and that's a shame because we lose a good player with the Norwee flip, but that's the cost of catching scum in this game I suppose. I don't think Norwee has comported himself well under pressure.

I liked some of VP's posts but this one gave me pause, as it possibly looks awkward cause of TMI that the scum is Ari and not norwee

[Gimli]

if ari red -> meuh town else meuh is good candidate for next flip

I'm at like:

other than fire being scum, i mostly agree (well u have norwee scum and i have ari scum so that's fine)
i don't think u ever answered my question yesterday why u scumread him? U wanna say?
good to see vpb in the orange

midway, do you remember why you had this conditional read re: meuh?

[Gimli]

VOTE: Save/Irrel

Irrel if you want to leave no one would blame you.

maria im glad you're here

do you still feel strongly that STD is scum?

[Gimli]

Gimli replaces Irrel.

aaaaaaaaand I'm caught up

[Gimli]

Wait what? Isn't VPB saying Ari is town and Norwee is scum? Where's the TMI

he had to keep townreading Ari cause he was townreading Ari before, and then he had to word something about norwegianboy even though he knows it'll flip town. it's not TMI at face value but there's something there that makes me really uneasy reading that post.

[Gimli]

It's very unlikely you'll be able to flip VP/Owen today, but if MariaR/Furt flips t/t that may change.

I'm talking to you Gimli, Fireisredsir and GuiltyLion. Let's get this necessary flip out of the way before deadline hits us. I don't think they are a pair fit to endgame either way.

They're not, but neither is the counterwagon or me and my pair. And I think we can actually Flip vp today.

[Gimli]

I wanna flip furtive too. But the world of furtive/Maria t/t is a horrible world to live in. It might cost us the game cause the thread will be in shambles. The actual compromise is on baltar

[Gimli]

Gimli, all I can say is you're incorrect buddy. Especially about saying the points about Shea are made up. You can look at his iso and see those points are accurate.

As far as townreading Ari, yeah I was wrong. It happens.

My read on the points you made about TSQ is that you interpreted him in the worst possible light to manufacture a scumread, and that didnt feel like legit scumhunting. I understand why you were townreading Ari, but I think your post about her and norwegian is coming from a scum perspective. I'm sure scum was upset they lost a good wolf because norwegian wasnt looking like town, and your phrasing denounces that feeling + the awkwardness of putting an entirely backwards read that hints at TMI.

But anyway its just how I interpreted those.

[Gimli]

I wanna flip furtive too. But the world of furtive/Maria t/t is a horrible world to live in. It might cost us the game cause the thread will be in shambles. The actual compromise is on baltar

It's less chaos if vp/Owen flips t/t?

I think so. And If you Flip mafia I think I'll know what to do next.

[Gimli]

"I'm making this game unplayable due to obsessive tunnel vision on someone I know I can't read so everyone has to agree with me and flip them"

If GL wants to, I'll move back to furtive.

[Gimli]

Ok, well it's 100% not happening with me, so like how is that less chaotic for you?

If maria/furtive flips t/t, will you leave the dance?

[Gimli]

I believe saying something like this is also against the same rules of future consequences outside of this game mentioned early actually.

you made some kind of bet, you see? you can't do that.

I think the thread is degenerating so I'm gonna go ahead and put furtive in l-1. mafia is a game and it only makes sense when it's fun for people to play it. love you all <3

VOTE: furtive

sorry if wrong

[Gimli]

I hope we can play again, maria and furtive.

[Gimli]

<3

[Gimli]

please contain scum please contain scum please contain scum

[Gimli]

VOTE: baltar

[Gimli]

my solve is VPB/STD

[Gimli]

so I wanna flip myself after baltar gets it

[Gimli]

what did i do

you keep townreading baltar

[Gimli]

argh goddammit

[Gimli]

what did i do

you keep townreading baltar

I am town. This is not good reasoning. I will always flip before your pair, so you will see I'm town.

Now with that in mind, would you still scum read std?

jesus fucking christ

[Gimli]

UNVOTE: baltar

[Gimli]

also i don’t think it’s powering thru an elim to be the third vote on ur wagon lol

Given you've only basically hammered this game, certainly a turn in voting urgency from you.

yeaaaaaaa

[Gimli]

I actually never read ydrasse at all I can't seem to get through her posts

[Gimli]

VOTE: ydrasse???

[Gimli]

>can’t read through posts
>well just gonna vote

actual headache territory

lmao sorry idk what I'm doing today
UNVOTE:
I'll read later

[Gimli]

"here I'm playing a much better scumgame"

[Gimli]

but also reading GL is a good idea, yes.

[Gimli]

I'm tempted but I'm hoping we can get Ydrasse today, which probably depends on GuiltyLion I think.

I'm starting to get a similar paranoia vibe about Ydrasse but I don't think I'd want to flip them first today, that's a pair I wanna come back to with a few more flips and a NK

the townlean

[Gimli]

can i sell anyone on meuh

yes

[Gimli]

Meuh, who are you thinking about dancing with? can I throw my hat in the ring?

I was thinking either VPB or Shirou atp.
I want someone who'll talk plenty because I think I'd be easy for anyone to solve with enough posts, and I could do the same for my partner. and then with the spammy PT we could just solve the game which sounds nice, or I could leave if they get scummy which sounds equally nice heehee
You actually fit the bill quite nicely too, I think? Because of your IC status I haven't thought of you as a partner because I think you should be the one to make the choice, but I do like the idea of us as a pair. We could just solve the game and I can skip the trying to solve you part which could be nice

Smells town in this

[Gimli]

Ok then @dragons
All her work feels like scum busywork but her energy is towny? Which might mean she is scum. You have experience with meuh, dragons?

[Gimli]

I think it's ydra and midway.

Yes and we 8-9 hammered our buddy ari with little progression cuz why not.
And before you say it's for the cred, idt either of us has mentioned it before this point so nah.
Meanwhile, you're hemming and hawing about ari and how she townreads norwee in the pages before she gets flipped.

ok, let's get a flip then today I guess. Intent to hammer. I'll give you a couple hours for any final words or for Ari to deliver on a persuasive townread of Norwee.

I would be pretty surprised if Nor was actually mafia and I guess the egg would be on my face but I just don't think he is - so many things he does feels counterproductive to his win condition and most of the points against him are not definitive - I know I might be biased but I just don't feel that I'm wrong here.

Can I get a couple examples of what you think is counterproductive to a scum win con? Doesn't need to be quotes and stuff. bullets are fine.

Maria - You going to post this reply post, or...???

another point that I thought was counterproductive to his win con was when he started talking about how he suspected me for being so trusting of him at a time when lots of other people were suspicious of me for other reasons.

This feels like really counterproductive to post if he actually wants us to survive and there's really no reason for him to post that because it only signal amps suspicion on his dance partner.

This feels like a better point than the "scum don't fight IC point"

another point that I thought was counterproductive to his win con was when he started talking about how he suspected me for being so trusting of him at a time when lots of other people were suspicious of me for other reasons.

This feels like really counterproductive to post if he actually wants us to survive and there's really no reason for him to post that because it only signal amps suspicion on his dance partner.

This feels like a better point than the "scum don't fight IC point"

I do think Ari has shown more survivalism this game than norwee, to be fair.

LOL right after I vote ari and kill pressure becomes evident again

midway still town imo

[Gimli]

i feel spineless, let's sheep MariaR and kill VP and then me

let's sheep maria and kill VP. then, we'll talk.

[Gimli]

VOTE: baltar

[Gimli]

I'm vibing with ydra now

[Gimli]

I feel as though baltar is just trying many things to see what sticks, so he went ydra, now he is going midway, etc. and it kinda works cause he is talented scum. I hope I'm right, otherwise I'm a big scumsiding potato this game.

[Gimli]

Kinda feel like ydra is town as per this gameday's posts (ISO feels hard to read, not your fault ydra), and midway I just think is town and his ISO is a towny one with a good number of quality nuanced posts.

[Gimli]

My ultimatum:

If VP and Owen both town i leave dance.

Instantly.


Now vote them.

fine with this

fast before shirou finds another miselim

just kidding

but seriously

[Gimli]

ah fuck messed up my joke. anyway.

[Gimli]

this sucks

[Gimli]

Maybe my secret Gimli/Owen theory is real

kinda wanna kill you next tbh

[Gimli]

er

[Gimli]

do we go midway and enchant now

[Gimli]

tf was that i didnt think we were rushing things???

why not though

[Gimli]

DH3IDHD3H89DH8ADHA8D3

[Gimli]

meuh/ydrasse?

[Gimli]

Anyway you know what to do. VP>Enchant, if game isn't over you ask Fire/Yda to hard read into each other and gl hf

.

[Gimli]

MARIA YOUR PLAN ISN'T WORKING

[Gimli]

jesus

is it ydra, though?

[Gimli]

@Ydra, @Gimli

I'm sorry to have been wrong on MariaR, but now you both have been proven wrong on Midway/Enchant which I did hard town read, and also Owen/VP (Which I didn't town read that much tbh).

My bad for that day but can we agree that miseliminating isn't something to be so ashamed of?

It happens.

being wrong is fine! this is mafia. but forcing people's hands is not so fun, that's why I was a little upset with you. sorry for the snarky comment today <3

[Gimli]

im thinking of leaving

someone talk me off the ledge

we lose if you do

[Gimli]

let's make this a long day, shall we?

[Gimli]

the gimli push awakens
(what is scummy atm about him?)

if you're pocketing me it's working

[Gimli]

can it be just meuh and shiro? that's insane, right? or no

[Gimli]

in my defence, fireisred, I'm going completely insane

[Gimli]

how can shirou have a bunch of fucking arguments when the world has just collapsed in front of us

[Gimli]

I've been clearing fireisred all game and have no energy to push this back so if you think I'm scum alright but I'm pretty sure std is town so it's not gonna be great

[Gimli]

I didn't think they were scum either. @shirou

[Gimli]

im not confident i think you've been towny all game but the latest reactions have felt really off and sometimes chaotic situations are where scum struggle to keep up appearances

what do you think of ydrasse? what do you think of ydrasse calling me town after I've been scummy as fuck?

[Gimli]

am I being townread by the scumteam

yes I am

[Gimli]

shirou/ydra/meuh I think is where the two scum are cause they're townreading me because they're TMIing

[Gimli]

im not confident i think you've been towny all game but the latest reactions have felt really off and sometimes chaotic situations are where scum struggle to keep up appearances

what do you think of ydrasse? what do you think of ydrasse calling me town after I've been scummy as fuck?

i think she's probably scum but again i want to reread

I think so too.

hm.

is there a std/ydra world, in your view? are you clearing std?

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shirou/ydra/meuh I think is where the two scum are cause they're townreading me because they're TMIing

I'm town reading you because you've been passive aggressive to me and sorry but I think it's a jerk move if you're scum and I don't believe you're a jerk so far.

If you insist on knowing my reason, yes, it's not related to your game content at all.

do you think meuh could be scum?

[Gimli]

shirou/ydra/meuh I think is where the two scum are cause they're townreading me because they're TMIing

I don't townread you lmao
I've been wanting you/STD dead for a while
I just don't get Fire's perspective regarding your reactions because I didn't find them scummy

no that's wild, you can't start defending me in LYLO and then say you're not townreading me

[Gimli]

oh my god we lost

[Gimli]

and meuh was scum

[Gimli]

she is not scum we lost

[Gimli]

jesus lol
its okie we'd lose anyway I think

[Gimli]

what

[Gimli]

I see, she didn't wanna get pushed

[Gimli]

its meuh

[Gimli]

actually, it might be std

where is he