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Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!-
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I used to play in the old MPFG forums back in the day, then Paranoia Paradise. I know some of my colleagues over there came over here once it shut down but I don't see any of them around anymoreIn post 17, redFF wrote:
Where did u play beforeIn post 15, Black wrote: Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!-
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Thanks! I was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled here and saw how active it isIn post 25, Gimli wrote:
hello welcome to mafiascum don't mind the messIn post 15, Black wrote: Hi everyone. I'm new here, but not really new to Mafia. I haven't played in a long time so I'll have to relearn some things. GL all!-
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Who was your biggest competition in the scum PT?In post 45, Firebringer wrote: Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.-
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Suuuuuure. Now we know who isn't an allyIn post 58, furtiveglance wrote:
This was obviously about 516In post 57, furtiveglance wrote: I don't like the sound of that-
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Oh no!!! AnywaysIn post 71, Firebringer wrote: Everyone is now forced to watch anime.-
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We are not a town. We are a whole freaking KingdomIn post 87, redFF wrote: Who else is town ITT-
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Well tbf we will find out when you flipIn post 92, Firebringer wrote: We may never know.-
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I agree with Petapan, but I don't necessarily think it's a scum tell. I've been guilty of trying to move past the early game joke phase in this way before-
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I don't mind it. Could be a potential "I claimed scum on page 1 and still won the game" moment for you, but I'm not convincedIn post 145, Firebringer wrote: if yall sick of me claiming scum. I will drop it after page 10.
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UNVOTE: redFF
I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.
Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive-
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You're right about his ISO. And I'll just have to take your word for it when it comes to his play style. I feel like I'm at a big disadvantage here not knowing any of you.In post 178, Gimli wrote:
two thingsIn post 176, Black wrote: UNVOTE: redFF
I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.
Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive
I know furtive and I know he goes hard early as town. this is uncharacteristic I promise you.
out of all top posters he is the only one who didn't drop a single read in those pages when other people were doing that. he was ignoring the mafia playing parts of the conversation.
check his ISO to see for yourself
I will say the "reads" other posters were making came across as jokes to me. Is a joke read better than no read at all?-
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Can you explain what you mean by this?In post 198, Morning Tweet wrote:You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3-
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I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart
Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.In post 198, Morning Tweet wrote: Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.
And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment thoughYou're also no longer a good vote IMO x3
The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far-
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I knew I was reading that wrong XD-
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This is exactly how I feel about the Klick push. It was built on nothing and then it steamrolled when MT went from voting Fire to joining his cause against Klick.In post 318, Alisae wrote: I don't really see how Fire got Klick thinks MT is town from Klick's 184 so like I disagree with the premise of the push entirely. I'm not going to say I don't understand where he is coming from because I think I can but I feel like that alone isn't enough for me personally
Alisae, your last post had 8 town reads. Any scum reads?-
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You either had scum reads and didn't include them, or didn't have any scum reads at all. Both options seem a little odd at this stage of the game and I wanted you to clarify.
I don't know your playstyle but I get a weird vibe like you're trying to play too safe. It's easy to not step on anyone's toes or make a target out of yourself when you're coasting through Day 1 giving only townreads-
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You have more confidence in my own abilities this game than me, that's for sure! I'm having a hard time figuring out everyone's behaviors. I'm suspicious of a couple but I don't feel strongly about any of my reads. So I'm just trying to prod and ask questions where I can until I feel confident enough to make a serious vote.In post 366, Firebringer wrote: I like all of Blacks posting.
Does that equal town?!?!?
I have yet to understand if its just a personality im liking or i think its just good brain working on this game hunting.
I think black if town will be crucial to this game.
Seems like a smart cookie
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Just a couple, albeit very minor wolf reads. Nothing that has made me confidently go "this person is a wolf." I feel lost this game but I'm trying to piece things together. I guess what seems odd to me is that you've been playing here with a lot of these people for a long time, and nothing so far has seemed the slightest bit off to you? I believe you when you say you don't have wolf reads. I'm just a little surprised.In post 372, Alisae wrote:Do you have wolf reads then? How would not having wolf reads at this point be odd?-
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I vibe with this explanation. This is pretty much exactly how I feel at the momentIn post 391, Alisae wrote:not rly people rly need to do more things and it’s pretty early. Even if I did have wolfreads right now I pretty much take them with a grain of salt? Pretty easy to get overconfident about something and be wrong at this stage of the game.
My mistake then. I probably shouldn't have assumed everyone here knows everyone else.Tbh most of this playerlist is unfamiliar to me, there are just a few individuals like fire Taly Cakez Klick Peta MT and Misty that all come to mind that I’m familiar with and tbh I think the players I think are easiest to read in that pool are Misty and Peta?
Nothing too substantial. I was sus of MT when she flipped to the Klick wagon over the smallest hunch (basically, "Klick understands my personality and read my actions right, so maybe he has insider information that I'm town"). I wasn't a big fan of that.In post 394, Alisae wrote: Black I’m interested in these minor wolf reads u have
I'm also getting weird vibes from Ari. Her votes and claims have come with little analysis (see 186 and 223), though she just posted a bit ago elaborating on her reads. I liked that post. Someone mentioned the last time she was scum she had a similar playstyle of shitposting, but I don't know how much weight that carries.
Gimli seemed pretty confident that furtive was playing different than his normal playstyle early. Then he just kind of...drops it? I questioned Gimli on why he singled out furtive when others were playing the same way early, and his response was basically "trust me bro" (178). Gimli then jumps on the mobile VPB wagon and his reasoning for voting VPB was the exact reason he voted for furtive (playing different than normal). Taly questioned him about his furtive stance and he deflects back to VPB, only to ultimately unvote VPB and vote red for being "detached". Not sure if this is a scum read on Gimli or a townie that is all over the place. I'm still figuring this one out.
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I want to echo that I also get weird vibes from Asri and I forgot to include it in my last post. He has townread multiple people now with no explanations, and when pushed to elaborate, he refuses.In post 410, VP Baltar wrote: VOTE: asri
I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.
VOTE: Asri
I want to put pressure on Asri to contribute actual game-advancing content. Who are your townreads and why? Any scum reads so far, and why?-
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No, I think you have said enough there. Could you maybe provide some insight on why you think red is a better vote than furtive or VPB?In post 418, Gimli wrote: @black as the game progresses, my reads go to different places. do you want me to still talk about furtive's early play?-
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I think it would be productive to knowIn post 419, Klick wrote: Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive
I think they should have some time to do their thingwhyAsri doesn't want to elaborate further, right? If the early game townreads were just flavor and jokes then it would benefit us to know that.-
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I just did a quick ISO on redFF and, yeah, you're right. He hasn't contributed anything other than a vote for you.In post 423, Gimli wrote:my read on FF is that the way he is engaging with the thread is scummy because he hasn't done anything and what he did was a bad read that was repeated by half the game.-
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Wake upIn post 430, redFF wrote:
zzzIn post 427, Black wrote:
I just did a quick ISO on redFF and, yeah, you're right. He hasn't contributed anything other than a vote for you.In post 423, Gimli wrote:my read on FF is that the way he is engaging with the thread is scummy because he hasn't done anything and what he did was a bad read that was repeated by half the game.-
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That's what I want to hear!In post 431, redFF wrote: im gonna give this game a read-
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What are the editing rules for this forum? I tried to look for it in the FAQ but couldn't find anything-
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Ok perfect. This is what I'm used toIn post 437, redFF wrote: so we say EBWOP (edit by way of post) and just double post-
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I don't see why we couldn't speculate. I have no flavor knowledge here. Maybe I should go buy the game...In post 440, furtiveglance wrote: Which Hollow Knight characters do people think are mafia
Are we even allowed to talk about it-
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Welp that was fun while it lasted
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Also curious about this. Taly's vote for MT came with no explanation and he has stuck by it this entire timeIn post 447, VP Baltar wrote:
What's your tldr on MT?In post 446, Taly wrote: unless someone refutes my vote I see no reason to consider other options at this moment-
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Meh. I was hoping to hearIn post 450, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.
This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!whyyou trust these people, but whatever-
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Yes. In fact I did a full ISO on you before posting that. I did miss 288 where you elaborate on why you think MT is scummy. My apologies.In post 453, Taly wrote:are you even reading my posts-
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It's not necessarily bad. I just wanted to hear your reasoning (or lack-there-of) for thinking they are town. Thank you for doing thatIn post 458, Asri Teroka wrote:
This one simply does. Why is that bad?In post 456, Black wrote:
Meh. I was hoping to hearIn post 450, Asri Teroka wrote: This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.
This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!whyyou trust these people, but whatever-
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Nope. This is my first game on MS
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I was gonna say... we've had very different games so far other than we're both colorsIn post 477, SirCakez wrote:
actually i take this back from a quick iso all the good posts were just BlackIn post 475, SirCakez wrote: the color squad Red and Black are giving me some town pings off town lowkey mixing them up tho lol
Red's iso is a nothingburger
I'll UNVOTE: for now. I can't read Asri and the vote was to make them talk more, which they did
Red said he would read the thread so I will be eagerly awaiting some actual analysis from him-
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These are almost my reads exactly, wtf. I'm leaning slightly town with Gimli though. A fickle townie, but town vibes nonethelessIn post 482, SirCakez wrote: Fire, Black, Taly, Alisae, CSF, furtive, Klick all feel decently town to me
Meanwhile not a fan of MT, Gimli, Red, Ari or honestly you rn-
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@furtive:
Top quote I'm vocalizing my thoughts about my first scum read. Second quote I'm hoping to get more from Ali because I'm always wary of players that seem like they're buddying up to everyone. Her following responses kind of lowered my eyebrows a little for now-
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NoIn post 538, petapan wrote: redff is funny leave him alone
VOTE: redFF
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Red said he would read the thread, so I'm asking for his thoughtsIn post 545, petapan wrote:i don't know what that means-
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The original flip-flop from FB to the person FB thought was scummy caught me off guard. MT explained herself in 309 and I didn't feel my read was strong enough to keep pursuing at the time.In post 554, Alisae wrote:Why? It's pretty early in the game I don't see what you think is wrong with it. Keep in mind it's pretty early in the game so I imagine it's pretty easy to want to be cooperative with other people for their wagons just to help progress the game.
I understand this perspective. I never said my reads were any good. I've openly questioned my own reads even. None of them have been strong enough to do anything with. I mostly want to keep discussion going and analyze things as they go since I don't have much history to work withIn post 554, Alisae wrote:It's fine if it's like your first game on the site but you're going to have to do better than this tho ig you did say you don't even substantial reads. "They're not constantly posting analysis/content, they're voting randomly, or they target is not providing (substantial) explanations" is fine now since I imagine we don't have much to go off of but it's not gong to cut it later.
I really think the biggest reason why I'm struggling to find you as town currently is I think due to the quality and explanation of your own reads. Again I don't particularly think you've done anything wolf indicative just nothing that super screams town indicative. It's also not really easy this early on so like idunno just keep playin ur game I'm sure I'll figure it out-
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OMGUS? I kind of agree with the Cake. Your ISO is full of fluff posts and wagon votes with no substance. Your defense was you've wanted to play less serious Mafia, but will that help the town?In post 618, Aristeia wrote:
VOTE: sircakesIn post 614, SirCakez wrote:In post 223, Aristeia wrote: Taly feels really town
the entirety of Ari's scumhunting everyoneIn post 400, Aristeia wrote: i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly
i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.
id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.
I like red's analysis of the game so far. This is the first I've seen "serious red" and it's enough so to move on for now
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I think you're scummyIn post 631, Aristeia wrote:In post 629, Black wrote:
OMGUS? I kind of agree with the Cake. Your ISO is full of fluff posts and wagon votes with no substance. Your defense was you've wanted to play less serious Mafia, but will that help the town?In post 618, Aristeia wrote:
VOTE: sircakesIn post 614, SirCakez wrote:In post 223, Aristeia wrote: Taly feels really town
the entirety of Ari's scumhunting everyoneIn post 400, Aristeia wrote: i feel the best about TRing Ali, Gimli & Taly
i think klick vpb & redff are all fine places to vote.
id tr firebringer but i dont want him to get mad at me.
I like red's analysis of the game so far. This is the first I've seen "serious red" and it's enough so to move on for now
VOTE: Aristeia
are you voting me because you think I am not helpful or voting me because you think I am mafia?-
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This thread blew up overnight! I will do my best to read and catch up today in between my activities-
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Mainly based off of your behaviors and playstyle. I just did a full ISO of you to confirm my position but it only made me less confident in my read. There's more substance than I thought. I think my opinion of you is skewed because I'm not used to this type of town playstyle of contributing little and getting a pass for it (228)In post 637, Aristeia wrote: because?
You mean the vote for FB in her very first post on page 3, during the joke phase, right after FB claimed scum? You consider that a town post?In post 638, furtiveglance wrote: I think Aristeia is town, and Cakez' characterisation is unfair as it excludes the early push on FireKinger
This is my biggest obstacle right now, and why I'm having a hard time trusting my reads. I'll get back in the swing of things.In post 664, Aristeia wrote: also he could simply be unsure of his read since theres no actual meta history and what he's picking up on could just be personality quirks or being used to playing mafia a certain way somewhere else.
For the record I don't consider peta's line on me scum indicative. I'll need to ISO peta to get a better read but his interactions with furtive regarding me make me think he's closer to town than wolf, specifically his reasonings in 661 and 670.-
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In post 676, Firebringer wrote:i feel like talking about blacks scumread of ari.
But there isn't much to talk about.
Its the first thing from black i don't like.
What townreads do you have of them?In post 681, furtiveglance wrote: I think both of the Alisae/Aristeia twins are town
Ari's posts have gotten better but I'm still not sure about her. Day 1, first game on the site will probably be the time I'm least confident in my scumreads. I will improve. The fact that no one else seems too concerned with Ari being a wolf makes me less confident in my readIn post 683, petapan wrote:i think the characterization of ari as fluff/no substance is inaccurate but i can see a player unfamiliar with the playstyle scumreading ari for it. or conversely a scum player thinking she'd be a good push. the possibilities contain multitudes or smth
So Klick, Lycan, and a third member are in a hood. Based on a previous post I'm pretty sure I know who the third member is but what I'm not sure of is if I should out them or not. To be fair they did make it pretty obviousIn post 736, Klick wrote: I'll let the third member come out if they want
Kind of a weird read by red here IMO. I'm having a hard time figuring out why a scum Klick would reveal the hood but maybe I'm just not seeing it. I already wasn't a fan of the early Klick wagon and the hood reveal gives him even more town points in my bookIn post 743, redFF wrote: not sure how to feel about klick revealing the existence of the hood for no reason
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Did I miss your case on Lycanfire? Why do you think he's scum?In post 774, Firebringer wrote: VOTE: Lycanfire
CSF/Lycanfire are probably good places to vote right now imo.
but i don't have any like REALLY GOOD reads to pursue. Kind of disappointing. Was hoping a hero solve would appear by now-
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Does it benefit the town to out them? You said yourself you wanted them to out themselves. Why should I?In post 837, Klick wrote:Go on then-
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In post 634, Mistyx wrote: saving my place at top of page 24
think lycan is town for reasons I’ll think are bad if i explain-
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Well I'm wrong, so whether there is value or not, a mystery it will remainIn post 849, Asri Teroka wrote: This one thinks, with Lycan of the Fire and Klick already having affirmed their part in this, that there is value in keeping the third a mystery?
For now, yes?-
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Can I get some responses from you?
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826In post 858, furtiveglance wrote: As far as I can see you've asked me one question about Alisae and Aristeia, which was buried in a bigger post.-
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Sorry I am inconveniencing you by making you read the game lolIn post 864, furtiveglance wrote:Again, you buried this, and actually yeah I think the early progression on Fire was towny-
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Spoiler: Mild furtive case
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If you and furtive are scum, Ari is scum. In my eyes at leastIn post 920, Firebringer wrote: I actually like ur scumread on me black.
I don't like ur scumread on Ari.-
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But personally I think the likelihood of scum goes Furtive >>> Ari >>> Fire, so I would want to see Ari flip after furtive-
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