Demon Slayer - Kimetsu no Yaiba (Game over)

[hebichan]

How am I already outted

This feels kinda town though. It's just inane enough.

I feel like at least one of the serious reads on furtive could be scum.

Maybe icedragon

VOTE: icedragon

[hebichan]

GIF stop playing im here to meme for the first ten pages

I think FB might be a Miller.

[hebichan]

{IceDragon70}
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant, Pink Ball, Doctor Drew}
{Firebringer, Klickwork}
{hebichan, GuyInFreezer}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Black}

p2

Why is icedragon so high for you?

[hebichan]

{IceDragon70}
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant, Pink Ball, Doctor Drew}
{Firebringer, Klickwork}
{hebichan, GuyInFreezer}
{BlueSnakelet}
{Black}

p2

is this one of those games where i flip ur reads upside down and its very accurate

Black seems very middle of pack to me. Wouldn't be surprised if the slot was town or scum.

P-edit: scum doesn't mene?

[hebichan]

GIF stop playing im here to meme for the first ten pages

I think FB might be a Miller.

How do u come to that conclusion.

All the scum claiming. Plus it'd be a gunny meme

[hebichan]

Funny meme. Also I haven't been on the site since 2019 FB. I don't know your current meta.

[hebichan]

Funny meme. Also I haven't been on the site since 2019 FB. I don't know your current meta.

pretty sure my meta hasn't changed since 2019....

wow wait a minute. is my meta that old. I really need to change it if that is true.

Well I don't feel too bad about assuming ot had.

VOTE: fire

I'll tease out your role if you really want.

[hebichan]

What's PGO?

[hebichan]

Being on the second moat like scum is generally how I remember all my ganes ever going, so little has changed.

[hebichan]

Being on the second moat like scum is generally how I remember all my ganes ever going, so little has changed.

Most likely* God I suck at typing on a phone.

[hebichan]

I'm feeling scaley, how bout you?

[hebichan]

I'm feeling scaley, how bout you?

Can't relate (assuming this was aimed at me).

Just in general

[hebichan]

Wotcha folks.

On a skim through I feel like hebichan's "miller" musing about firebringer could possibly be S-S when combined with firebringer's "kinda like PGO" attempt to deter investigatives targetting them.

I do see why Ice's backing down in 87 looks suspicious but that's just relative to the other pure RVS stuff going on. I don't think scum would really be that jumpy that early.

Drew and GuyInFreezer both look towny to me. Initial gut feel is Ranger is town too.

VOTE: FireBringer

I don't like this post tbh. Anyone else feel like that?

I dunno if it's actually bad or not.

[hebichan]

fuck I was trying to write I in brackets but instead it became formatting. How do I fix this?

VOTE: Furtive

Noooo Black you lost a game!!! Noooooo!

(refering to her sig)

How am I already outted

wrong PT my b^

So now you are alt-hunting? Pretty scummy if you ask me!

However, that slip about wrong PT clearly confirms you are masons with clickwork.

UNVOTE: Furtive

But I am willing to bet I will vote hin again in the next 24 hours.

Pedit: I don't need to wait 24 hours. Furtive caused Black to lose, that's reason enough to vote!

VOTE: Furtive

Lol I honestly scumread Furtive but I am being a bit jocular in my approach to it.

Yeah I guess it was extremely unclear from my posting though.
The vote on Furtive is as serious as it gets on P2, I guess.

How am I already outted

This feels kinda town though. It's just inane enough.

I feel like at least one of the serious reads on furtive could be scum.

Maybe icedragon

VOTE: icedragon

UNVOTE: furtive

Btw, I wasn't really expecting a serious answer from Black. I was just "riding the RVS train" so to say.

So, if I understand it right, you find furtive scummy because:

- His actions during the RVS.
- His attempt at guessing which of Klickwork's heads was the one who spoke.

Can you elaborate on why you find those things scummy?

My read on Furtive is a gutread, I can't explain it. The alt thing is not

really

scummy but it's definitely not helping.

What I will say though is that in reading Furtive's other games I was scumreading then exactly twice, and they were scum both times, so I feel pretty confident in my gutreads on Furtive.

Though on reread of their ISO I think they act more closely to their town game than their scum game, so I'mma UNVOTE: Furtive yet again.

VOTE: IceDragon70

It's not a good look to make a serious vote and immediately back down once questioned.

Guess I'll be holding you at swordpoint for a while.

VOTE: Ice

ok so my theory is right.

im so good at this game

I feel this is why you feel Blue is scum, the potentially coordinated push into Ice by hebi, Blue, and Freezer
VOTE: Bluesnakelet

It really wasn't coordinated, I just wanted to push a wagon. I'll push this one too.

VOTE: blursnakelet

My only hesitation is the doctor they have snake in their name.

[hebichan]

It really wasn't coordinated, I just wanted to push a wagon. I'll push this one too.

VOTE: blursnakelet

My only hesitation is the doctor they have snake in their name

What does this mean?

It was supposed to be my only hesitation is the fact* they have snake in their name.


Just cause I like snakes so much T,...,T

[hebichan]

It really wasn't coordinated, I just wanted to push a wagon. I'll push this one too.

VOTE: blursnakelet

My only hesitation is the doctor they have snake in their name

What does this mean?

r u an alt? because like whydo u come into the game responding to me saying why do u wanna vote x player as ur first post.

They're not an alt (AFAIK), they are a newbie and they just ask these questions almost all the time. It's their meta as both alignments. BUT I do scumlean the specific question they asked and the subsequent vote.

I also think that both their and Hebi's votes on Blue, individually feel like scum trying to distance themself from their partner, but together it might be just 2 scum wagoning a town? Unless they feel veeeery confident in their scumartner's ability to get out of this and are vith willing to commit to the wagon.

Disclaimer: take the above analysis with a grain of salt, I don't have anything more than a scumlean on any of these three, but these are the vibes I'm getting.

I like this thinking even if it's against me, I was thinking of voting hebi too since she did the same thing as Blue against you

Serious question...what is scummy about how I'm aging?

This is 100% serious since I've been gone for for years and I'm genuinely trying to just put pressure on a slot.

[hebichan]

Nothing scummy about aging, natural process

About how I'm playing thanks

[hebichan]

Nothing scummy about aging, natural process

About how I'm playing thanks

the way you progress in game makes it look like ur appeasing or following crowd on purpose.

I'm following crowd cause I don't have any strong reads and I thought being on a wagon and applying pressure might help.

[hebichan]

pedit: its ok fire and guy are my two grandsons, ill pocket both . dw about pocketing me

No im pocketing u.
GET THE ORDER RIGHT

also wait im ur grandson?
That means ur a great great grandfather.
Wait till u meet Alisae

A terrible fate has befell you

[hebichan]

A terrible fate has befell you

as long as i don't have to play league.

Completely fair.

[hebichan]

Anyhow I'm gonna overcompensate your advice and stick on blue for now.

[hebichan]

Anyhow I'm gonna overcompensate your advice and stick on blue for now.

wasn't really giving you advice but okay

I mean indirectly you did

[hebichan]

VOTE: black

I feel like the slot is too quiet and maybe lurking.

P -edit- I was posting this before you said anything fb lol

[hebichan]

VOTE: black

I feel like the slot is too quiet and maybe lurking.

P -edit- I was posting this before you said anything fb lol

heichban why r u town?

VOTE: Hehichan

Cause my role pm was green.

Also not sleeping you...I specifically started typing out that post forgetting anyone was voting black.

[hebichan]

VOTE: black

I feel like the slot is too quiet and maybe lurking.

P -edit- I was posting this before you said anything fb lol

heichban why r u town?

VOTE: Hehichan

Cause my role pm was green.

Also not sleeping you...I specifically started typing out that post forgetting anyone was voting black.

-10 town cred

didnt get the sarcasm from firebringer

Would it help if I said I'm autistic and sometimes can't read sarcasm right?

[hebichan]

VOTE: black

I feel like the slot is too quiet and maybe lurking.

P -edit- I was posting this before you said anything fb lol

heichban why r u town?

VOTE: Hehichan

Cause my role pm was green.

Also not sleeping you...I specifically started typing out that post forgetting anyone was voting black.

-10 town cred

didnt get the sarcasm from firebringer

Would it help if I said I'm autistic and sometimes can't read sarcasm right?

u should not have said that

just replace sarcasm with joke

I'm actually confused what this even means.

[hebichan]

So many people voting for me. I'm flattered!

P-Edit: I'm slightly less flattered.

yea can u like post something so i can figure out my read on u already

OK, I'll post a haiku:

Silent as the wind,
Slithering snake in the grass,
Nature's stealthy spy.

10/10/10

[hebichan]

Wait is blue claiming cop?

[hebichan]

Flattery will get you everywhere. Hard town read, no voting flavor leaf.

[hebichan]

{IceDragon70}
{GuyInFreezer, Firebringer}
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{Pink Ball, Doctor Drew, KawaiiKame}
{imaginality, Klickwork, GrandpaMo}
{Kokichi Oma}
{hebichan}
{Flavor Leaf}
{BlueSnakelet, Black}

p14
(ngl I actually feel I have some players too high rn since aside from Blue/Black none of the southern reads are scum to me rn.

Firebringer:

Now would actually be a time to unironically dismantle my readslist and point out the town names too low and the scum names too high.)

I know you didn't ask me but I think grandpa is too low and imaginality is too high

[hebichan]

well shit u right but there is no way u actually got that too early.

Getting reads from nothing is something of a specialty of mine.

That others think they were accurate is the strange thing tbh.

{IceDragon70}
{GuyInFreezer, Firebringer, GrandpaMo}
{furtiveglance}
{KawaiiKame, Enchant}
{hebichan}
{Kokichi Oma, Flavor Leaf}
{Pink Ball, Doctor Drew, Klickwork}
{imaginality}
{BlueSnakelet, Black}

This is probably more accurate, although the Kokichi/PB tiers can easily swap. Still too many town tbh, but this feels better.

It's only day one. If we catch scum doesn't matter if you are townreading a few scum. I think blue and black have scum in there somewhere.

[hebichan]

well shit u right but there is no way u actually got that too early.

Getting reads from nothing is something of a specialty of mine.

That others think they were accurate is the strange thing tbh.

{IceDragon70}
{GuyInFreezer, Firebringer, GrandpaMo}
{furtiveglance}
{KawaiiKame, Enchant}
{hebichan}
{Kokichi Oma, Flavor Leaf}
{Pink Ball, Doctor Drew, Klickwork}
{imaginality}
{BlueSnakelet, Black}

This is probably more accurate, although the Kokichi/PB tiers can easily swap. Still too many town tbh, but this feels better.

ill help u

drop furtivegalnce, kawaiikame, (maybe firebringer) lower

those dont deserve to be townread rn

u have players like me, icedragon, and (maybe hebichan) who are like the talkers that just pretend like the whole game is just PT notes

and gif / enchant give me the same vibes tbh , they probably dont get read till like day 2 when caos probably ensues.

then u have the emerging players like klickwork, ranger, firebringer (they can be here or in the same area of gif / enchant)

then u have the lhf, cryptic players like furtive, kawaii, pink ball, doc drew, and imaginaility -- those 5 are ur wildcards. u cant really meta read them because they are ptobably diff every damn game -- so u have to go on instinct .

then u had ur dead players -- black, blue, kokichi, flavor leaf -- those 4 can move up the rank nd rlly depend on how they come about.

Dead players? Blue posted a bunch so far

[hebichan]

I'll vote enchant tomorrow. I hate this e gagement.

[hebichan]

VOTE: imaginality

Put my money where my mouth is I suppose

[hebichan]

Or the serperior wagon

Huh, huh?!

[hebichan]

You know I had a feeling that this is quickly becoming a typical old gen vs new gen, so I checked Imaginality’s join date.

And everything made sense.

Are you townreading them now or just explaining some confusion? Cause I don't have an old vs new style bias cause I was bad back then too and I still like this wagon.

[hebichan]

V/LA until the weekend for my birthday.

[hebichan]

I'm back, anyone want to tell me what happened in the past 50 pages while I l9ok through?

[hebichan]

I'm back, anyone want to tell me what happened in the past 50 pages while I l9ok through?

I have a tracker guilty on drew he visited ice dragon (the night kill) and ranger

Doesn't that sound like a transporter?

[hebichan]

Also Klick bussing Drew with a guilty is a silly thought. Cos we can just go like “why not lim Klick and have them shoot Drew” and there’s nothing they can do about it

My vengeful doesn’t work this way

?

Is your Demon ability to get a vengeful and a track? This makes no sense at all

I have a 0 blood track that is not a demon blood art
I then have my 5 blood vengeful which I need to activate during night and once I do I can’t track anymore

Does anyone else have 2 abilities like this?

No I only have the one ability on mine.

[hebichan]

I'm back, anyone want to tell me what happened in the past 50 pages while I l9ok through?

I have a tracker guilty on drew he visited ice dragon (the night kill) and ranger

Doesn't that sound like a transporter?

Drew claimed to visit gif

That is strange.
Reading back more but so far Grandpa is pinging me and FD seems not to be up to much. But probably going to join Drew wagon.

[hebichan]

Can everyone just post their no.1 scumread at this time, excepting Drew and Klickwork if possible

this wont help, L furtive trying to gamesolve

focus on mechanic reads . this game is to only be read mechanically. thinkof all the deaths and work backwords from there

I don't like this line at all. Feels too informed and like he might be trying to lead town to a conclusion.

[hebichan]

Although I think we should try to massclaim and find this poisoner first if possible because if Klick is scum, this means they are most likely feeling very confident to endgame on mislim today.

Aren't we in a position where we don't know if another poisoned exists? That's the impression I got.

[hebichan]

Grapa hasn't been on either flipped wagon at any point, drew hammered imaginality hm.

[hebichan]

Why would the mod specify?

I'm a little confused on why that wouldn't be hidden information.

There is a lot of confusing mechanical things happening.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Drew

Thus is the correct vote anyhow.

[hebichan]

And look at that misrep by saying I did nothing day 1. I actively said the opposite but in a way where people could think I was doing nothing.

Grandpa grasping at straws hard right now.

I might not be 100% correct on scum team, but it's clear to me I've caught some in my net on entirely the reaction I've gotten since.

Hebichan is a possible bus on Drew who they think could be going down imo.

I'm literally trying to catch up on a game I haven't looked at since wednesday.

I'm just voting cause the night check makes sense.

[hebichan]

My stance right now is that the scumteam is Drew/Klickwork/Ranger, with Klickwork being the less likely to be correct.

what do u think of a 5 man scum team

5 seems high with how easily we had 2 town flip.

[hebichan]

I want hammer so that grandpa and enchant can’t have it

I need to hammer to save you

Why do you need to hammer exactly?

[hebichan]

I have a claim to make.

I am a demon with the power to completely isolate 3 people from being Interacted with our interacting with anyone else at the cost of 3 blood.

Last night I choose myself, grandpa and firebringer.

So either scum attacked one of us, or there us scum in grandpa/Firebringer

[hebichan]

I have a claim to make.

I am a demon with the power to completely isolate 3 people from being Interacted with our interacting with anyone else at the cost of 3 blood.

Last night I choose myself, grandpa and firebringer.

So either scum attacked one of us, or there us scum in grandpa/Firebringer

yea scum tried to kill me lol

ur late

Well fair. Look I don't have all the time in the world.

You're welcome for saving you I guess

[hebichan]

@ranger pls out ur redirects

N1: BlueSnakelet to Black (submitted while Black was Black, before Black became Empathice).
N2: Pink Ball to Flavor Leaf.
N3: hebichan to Enchant.

u were redirected @hebichan

I isolated myself so i couldn't have been redirected. My role blocks all targeting of me or my targets.

[hebichan]

if ur town, can u like iso me again tonight, i dont wanna die

We need 2 more blood for me to do it again, since I was told upon waking up we were down to 1. I have no issues isolating you though.

[hebichan]

can u be there for hammer

Yeah I'll be around.

I think we can get to 3 blood anyhow. I think furtive is 1 since the flip was today then whoever we vote off is 2.

[hebichan]

Doctor Drew (7)[Elimination]: Ranger, Flavor Leaf,

hebichan

, Klickwork,

Enchant, Pink Ball, GrandpaMo

Klickwork (1): Doctor Drew

Not Voting (4): furtiveglance, Firebringer, GuyInFreezer, KawaiiKame

these are the worst votes on the wagon. Honestly I think 2 scum prob in there if it's a 4 person scum team.

Kay but grandpa is mechanically likely town here and I am claiming to have blocked a kill on him. So no matter how bad you think our votes are, unless you think grandpa and I are scum together here, the other half of that bad vote list is gonna be a better push.

[hebichan]

Last night I choose myself, grandpa and firebringer.

Interesting. I doubt this claim because I was told self-targeting was forbidden with my role.

Specifically,
I asked if I could redirect a player onto themselves;
I asked if I could redirect a player onto me;
I was told I needed to select two different players (so couldn't redirect a player onto themselves) and couldn't redirect them onto myself.

(There's also a note specifying I can't redirect myself, which feels like it may be important.)

I've other things to do today, so I won't be around for any longer; I strongly suspect hebichan's claim isn't entirely truthful.

VOTE: hebichan

Maybe it's a thing about choosing slayer, you don't need blood but your ability is weaker overall.

[hebichan]

But you need 3, it wouldn't be enough.

Why did you wait until tonight to use that? @hebi

I waited until last night cause I wasn't worried about dying until last night since I was so heavy scumread and I didn't have any reads day 1 or 2.

I thought grandpa was a likely scum target and firebringer was likely scum, so I choose to see if I could test for it.


I literally claimed before reading any of the thread today just in case it could lead to useful discussion.

[hebichan]

did i get jailed

also i really want to hear from ranger and ali right now

Also this right here proves I did not get redirected. I jailed firebringer last night.

[hebichan]

also where did Hebichan block a kill on Grandpa?

Literally in my claim I said my power basically acts as a three person jail, and I targeted myself, firebringer and grandpa. I assume grandpa claimed he was shot last night earlier today.

I'm fine with people forcing me to use my power as they want tonight or face wagon tomorrow. As long as I can target myself again.

[hebichan]

Doctor Drew (7)[Elimination]: Ranger, Flavor Leaf, hebichan, Klickwork, Enchant, Pink Ball, GrandpaMo
Klickwork (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (4):

furtiveglance

, Firebringer, GuyInFreezer, KawaiiKame

and yet, 2 scum on the wagon is confusing for people.

ha

Two scum on wagon makes sense to me. It just can't be me or grandpa from my view of the gamestate. Enchant is claiming confirmed town. That leaves you, klick, pink and ranger.

From my perspective klick and pink are tge most likely scum out of those.

[hebichan]

also where did Hebichan block a kill on Grandpa?

Literally in my claim I said my power basically acts as a three person jail, and I targeted myself, firebringer and grandpa. I assume grandpa claimed he was shot last night earlier today.

I'm fine with people forcing me to use my power as they want tonight or face wagon tomorrow. As long as I can target myself again.

lol, that's not a save on Grandpa, though. That's just as much a kill block on Grandpa

That's true, but in either case it leaves me unlikely to be scum.

[hebichan]

Maybe it's a thing about choosing slayer, you don't need blood but your ability is weaker overall.

I don't recall claiming slayer.

I even specified I discarded the role which very clearly has a breathing technique.

What leads you to believe I am one? I've acted every night, sure; I've also been on every elimination.
Why is your conclusion I'm a slayer with a 1-cost breathing technique, rather than a demon with a cheap repeatable demon art?

As a demon, I get pms tracking blood every night.

They have coincided with flips, and no one used blood before night 3.

Blood count was 1, 4, 6, 1

[hebichan]

u can still be scum because they might have been doc or roleblocker in the game or scum purposefully no killed at night or sum shit like that

Okay but firebringer claimed to be jailed as well.

[hebichan]

Like, you can say I'm trying to claim before a counterclaim doctor or something, but I've basically claimed two actions between grandoa and firebringer and if I'm opening myself to two potential counterclaims here that's about the stupidest thing I could do as scum.

That being said....

VOTE: pinkball

I think ranger here is gamesolving, but pink feels like trying to pocket.

[hebichan]

ok since we are believing hebich is town then , menbeing the likely target makes more sense and therefore I rather go last in claiming my role!

Well no,as I said earlier and was pointed out by flavor, you could have submitted the kill last night and the opened today claiming you were targeted last night.


I actually want to know, my role doesn't mention anything about you knowing if there was an attempt to shoot you in the night. How did you know that scum shot at you?

[hebichan]

I reread my role pm. I am flavor claiming Nakime, my skill is called infinite castle and its specified that my skill happens before all other skills and modifiers.

[hebichan]

Also, pocketing who, Ranger? By stating that they're town? That's not pocketing, that's having a read, and a controversial one

Oh no, how you voted me after flimsily agreeing with ranger.

[hebichan]

ok since we are believing hebich is town then , menbeing the likely target makes more sense and therefore I rather go last in claiming my role!

Well no,as I said earlier and was pointed out by flavor, you could have submitted the kill last night and the opened today claiming you were targeted last night.


I actually want to know, my role doesn't mention anything about you knowing if there was an attempt to shoot you in the night. How did you know that scum shot at you?

He doesn't know that hebi

When I claimed he said it was already established a kill was blocked on him and I was slow.

[hebichan]

Also, pocketing who, Ranger? By stating that they're town? That's not pocketing, that's having a read, and a controversial one

Oh no, how you voted me after flimsily agreeing with ranger.

I haven't voted you

Okay UNVOTE: pink imma grab caffine

[hebichan]

Good morning

Morning. Please claim before I scream at all the claim edging going on.

[hebichan]

u can still be scum because they might have been doc or roleblocker in the game or scum purposefully no killed at night or sum shit like that

Okay but firebringer claimed to be jailed as well.

ummm no. I asked if i was.
I didn't act last night

Why would you assume you were

[hebichan]

u can still be scum because they might have been doc or roleblocker in the game or scum purposefully no killed at night or sum shit like that

Okay but firebringer claimed to be jailed as well.

ummm no. I asked if i was.
I didn't act last night

Why would you assume you were

because kawaii said he was gonna jailkeep me

Oh that's interesting

VOTE: kawaii

[hebichan]

He held out the vote on Drew until later to see if there was any chance to switch momentum, but wanted to be positioned on wagon if drew went down, which was likely.

I don't believe this is true since I think the Drew wagon was scumdriven (as in, they planned bussing Drew), but we can talk about this later

Why not talk about it now?

No one seems interested in claiming first. Mayne we can drive claims out by pressuring slots based on your theory?

[hebichan]

Personally I was just following GIFs guilty. That's really the oy reason I voted Drew yesterday.

[hebichan]

Compelling

Also was anyone poisoned last night?

If not I likely blocked both scum kill and poison.

[hebichan]

Cool, then flip me then flip pink tomorrow. I'm not lying but I don't care if you're gonna latch on to that weak shit.

VOTE: pink

[hebichan]

Cool, then flip me then flip pink tomorrow. I'm not lying but I don't care if you're gonna latch on to that weak shit.

VOTE: pink

Over reaction.

Nah. You claimed I was lying. I'll deathwagon you, I don't care.

P-edit: I don't want to flip klick. I want the person counterclaiming me.

[hebichan]

Cool, then flip me then flip pink tomorrow. I'm not lying but I don't care if you're gonna latch on to that weak shit.

VOTE: pink

Over reaction.

Nah. You claimed I was lying. I'll deathwagon you, I don't care.

P-edit: I don't want to flip klick. I want the person counterclaiming me.

I'm not counterclaiming you, I said you lied.

I didn't lie though. If you have a mechanical reason to say I'm lying I'm calling BS. My role is very clear-cut and I fullclaimed it blind.

You fullclaim why you think I'm lying and maybe I'll reconsider if I can hash it put but I'm assuming scumpush until then.

[hebichan]

I've other things to do today, so I won't be around for any longer; I strongly suspect hebichan's claim isn't entirely truthful.

VOTE: hebichan

Ranger said you were lying before me, they even voted you, and you didn't overreact.

Ranger said I was lying and gave a mechanical reason. It was wrong and based on wrong assumptions but I could interact with the claim.

[hebichan]

Ranger said I was lying and gave a mechanical reason

I have a mechanical reason too obviously, I wouldn't claim you are lying if I hadn't, so what's the difference? You're overreacting because you had to.

You aren't claiming anything. As I said, full claim and maybe we can hash it out. But ra gers mechanical reason was just bad assumptions. You seem to be claiming a hard mechanical reason as opposed to rangers soft mechanical reason.

Rangers reason was not actually in conflict of my claim, but if you are claiming a hard mechanical reason then I can not assume it's a good faith mistake like rangers. So I have to assume you are scumclaiming here until you fullclaom, cause I'm not lying.

[hebichan]

Like, you see why ranger and your posts are completely different right?

Like it's freaking obvious.

[hebichan]

I can not assume it's a good faith mistake like rangers

You didn't know it was a good faith mistake, they said you lied and voted you, period.

I will full claim,

that

is obvious. You could have waited for me to full claim, but you decided to over react

I did know it was a good faith mistake because they extrapolated tgeimits of their own role and applied it to mine. That's town as heck.

P-edit: because no one else is going to full claim and it's obvious everyone is dancing around waiting for everyone else to claim.

[hebichan]

I'm not going to flood the thread talking to you, if you want to interact with what I'll claim, wait for the claim then, especially because you're not the designated elimination for today. I need the rest of the playerlist's claims before I say what I know.

You're literally like the third or fourth person to say this today. But fine, I'll wait for you to create the perfect fakeclaim based on everyone else's claims.

[hebichan]

I'm not going to flood the thread talking to you, if you want to interact with what I'll claim, wait for the claim then, especially because you're not the designated elimination for today. I need the rest of the playerlist's claims before I say what I know.

You're literally like the third or fourth person to say this today. But fine, I'll wait for you to create the perfect fakeclaim based on everyone else's claims.

Do you think that's what this is?

I am a tracker

.....


Never mind.UNVOTE:

Read my claim again, I act before everyone else and I jail everyone I target, including myself. You count track me last night because I was isolated from any targeting

[hebichan]

I'm not going to flood the thread talking to you, if you want to interact with what I'll claim, wait for the claim then, especially because you're not the designated elimination for today. I need the rest of the playerlist's claims before I say what I know.

You're literally like the third or fourth person to say this today. But fine, I'll wait for you to create the perfect fakeclaim based on everyone else's claims.

Do you think that's what this is?

I am a tracker

.....


Never mind.UNVOTE:

Read my claim again, I act before everyone else and I jail everyone I target, including myself. You count track me last night because I was isolated from any targeting

Couldn't track me.

[hebichan]

That does mean that GIF and Pink are both claimed trackers though.

[hebichan]

That does mean that GIF and Pink are both claimed trackers though.

Klick, not GiF

Oh right GIF was commuter

[hebichan]

Yeah because why would they go after Mo

Why would they go after pink?

[hebichan]

Honestly the more I look at the game the more last night was a mess.

[hebichan]

Honestly the more I look at the game the more last night was a mess.

Why? Your action comes before everyone else’s, why would the last night be a mess from your point of view?

Because I di t get how you're claiming to track me for one, cause my ability does read how I said it does.

Two, I don't know if I blocked kills from inside or outside my castle.

Three, I don't know if I should toen or scumread you. If I townread you I have to assume there's something funky or a mid error. Occams Razor says you are scum but I don't hate your claim and your claim sets you up awkwardly.

Ugh i want to ask what kind of ability your tracking is listed as, is it a skill, modifier or something else?

[hebichan]

Everyone is gonna wait till hours till deadline to claim lol

[hebichan]

So tl;dr:

Klick lied about activating a vengeful tonight via my track (they targeted everyone except FB and Grandpa)
hebi lied about self targetting (they were targeted by Klick)

I dint know if visiting with no effect actually counts. I have to ask mod because this should be impossible and I will go back to 1 v1ing you cause again I didn't lie. Ffs.

[hebichan]

I will go back to 1 v1ing you

Technically we never 1v1ed because I'm not interested in you today.
And technically it would still not be a 1v1 because I'm still not interested in you.

But now that it's in the open, I'm willing to believe that something fucked up with your action, but your overreaction was very telling.

I hate this so much, telling of what?

I just hate being called a blatant liar when i blind fullclaimed as my opening post today.

I do t know who to vote in klick v pink though. You also want to flip the claimed vengeful before me which is also bothering me.

[hebichan]

I do t know who to vote in klick v pink though. You also want to flip the claimed vengeful before me which is also bothering me.

The claimed vengeful is proved to lie with a probably powerful role, your role is already confirmed and I don't mind about it.

If my role is confirmed why would I lie about self targetting.

[hebichan]

thoughts on the Pink Ball targeting mishap Gramps?

can u give me a tldr?? i wasnt here for any of that shit -- because if i am being honest. none of that really matters .

the only think i remmebr is like pb saying klick targeting everyone beside me and firebringer?

like how tf am i suppose to make sense of that even if i wanted to scumread or townread klick ???? it wouldnt make sense as either LOL

thats why im saying none of that shit matters because no one is 100 percent on anything. and i just believe we should nc here. we are on even number of players and its a viable play we can get more info on. town doesnt know wtf they are doing but a scum kill atr night will give us way more info than we will ever generate.

He shouldn't have been able to see me get targeted either.

how did he see that

He tracked Alisae, and it was said Alisae tracked everyone except the two Hebichan targeted. They also shouldn't have been able to target me.


@Hebichan - Does your role require both of your targets to be successfully targeted for you to self alien?

No. It doesn't require anything. First thing I asked mod was if I could target myself with my ability and I was told yes. So that's what I did.

[hebichan]

VOTE: pink

I did not lie. My reaction is simple. I did not fucking lie. Either you're lying or there was a weird loophole or there was mod error. Dont even care if your slot is town or scum, I just want this resolved.

[hebichan]

VOTE: pink

I did not lie. My reaction is simple. I did not fucking lie. Either you're lying or there was a weird loophole or there was mod error. Dont even care if your slot is town or scum, I just want this resolved.

We’re not limming 99% confirmed town

Then get pink to stop with the lying line. It's actively getting me angrier than anything in years. I'm frustrated beyond belief because of this cause I did target myself, it's not a white lie, or a black lie....it's just blatantly untrue.


P-edit I have to go look up my discard one sec.

[hebichan]

Let them be GIF, they’d rather hide behind a fictitious 1v1 rather than taking a stance on the rest of the game and solving the game.

Nah I'm just sitting here crying cause I legit don't know how to convince you I'm not lying cause of what my role pm said and what you claim to see.

[hebichan]

My discard was Kagaya Ubuyashiki

It was 1 Stamina to upgrade a breathing technique that could be upgraded. It says "this is not a breathing technique or a blood art".

[hebichan]

Let them be GIF, they’d rather hide behind a fictitious 1v1 rather than taking a stance on the rest of the game and solving the game.

Nah I'm just sitting here crying cause I legit don't know how to convince you I'm not lying cause of what my role pm said and what you claim to see.

Hebi, from my point of view, what you said can’t be true unless something else happened but you said your action solves first than anything else so if there’s no interference how did I saw you be targeted?

Is this better?

Yes that's much better and honestly is calming me down.

I sent in a mod question, haven't heard back yet. But I genuinely have no idea how you saw what you did.

[hebichan]

Yeah, that. Maybe the game ends and you say “see? I wasn’t lying!!” but you would still be scum

Then just tell me how to use my action tonight and verify me. I don't mind being chained dude cause I'm not scum. I get you don't like my reaction but being called a liar legit has me fuming for some reason. Its not scum, it's unadulterated rage abd frustration.

[hebichan]

Lying or not, I still scumread you because of the result I got. You shouldn’t have been targeted by Klick and you were, period

Can you just flip me then? I dint want to play a game where conftown has a false guilty on me for a role that clearly says that should be impossible.

[hebichan]

Mod just did me saying that while no one should be able to track me while I'm in the infinite castle, they can not confirm or deny the possibility of a role that could still target me while I'm in the castle.

[hebichan]

Mod just did me saying that while no one should be able to track me while I'm in the infinite castle, they can not confirm or deny the possibility of a role that could still target me while I'm in the castle.

Dmd me

[hebichan]

If everyone else agrees I’m down on flipping you hebi, but out of 10 alive players, I doubt we’re going to be able to get the 6 remaining town to agree in a scum elimination. Even if there’s 7 remaining town I don’t think we would be able to get a scum elimination without scum voting, and if the scumteam wants to buss, I think they’d be more willing to buss Ranger because they’re soft guiltied too

I mean I rather not die cause my power is op but also like you seem to be convinced I'm scum so *shrug*

[hebichan]

Honestly I think grandpa still looks bad personally, his claim was flimsy and then along with the discard matching mine is weird.

If ranger is town the POE FL looks a lot worse.

Enchant is still likely poisoner.

Dunno pink, I'm willing to work with you now tgat you calmed me down. I can isolate enchant and two other people tonight if I go back to 3 blood. One could be you if you don't have an activation tonight.

[hebichan]

My discard was Kagaya Ubuyashiki

It was 1 Stamina to upgrade a breathing technique that could be upgraded. It says "this is not a breathing technique or a blood art".

Interesting that both you and Mo claimed to have discarded a same role. And both are hooman.

woah thats litrally the same exact for me -- also u should avoid copying and pasting exactly just so u dont get modkilled on some reason . u just missed one word. lol

Oh, I changed it around but I guess it is still really close. Meh my head wasn't in the game correctly cause I was still in rage/defeatist mode.

[hebichan]

Honestly I think grandpa still looks bad personally, his claim was flimsy and then along with the discard matching mine is weird.

If ranger is town the POE FL looks a lot worse.

Enchant is still likely poisoner.

Dunno pink, I'm willing to work with you now tgat you calmed me down. I can isolate enchant and two other people tonight if I go back to 3 blood. One could be you if you don't have an activation tonight.

i literally claimed first. my claim wasnt flimsy it was just late and thats because i had to catch up on something and wanted to come up with a plan for town. but ig no one fucks with it so ima just keep my mouth shut.

we just keep repeating shit or keep going back in circles.

im down to vote anyone today.

but this is what im talking about like we all say oh enchant is likely posioner but dont push them? we all soft pushes but its like enchant this whole game been scumread by atleast one of us at one time and no one has made pressure or a valid push besides me. thats why im voting them rn but ig no one wants to listen or read any of my posts so yep

No one is pushing enchant cause there's a soft guilty on ranger. Also not your doscard claim, your role claim and actions. Also the fact you could have been blocked from killing anyone by my ability. I'm still under the impression I stopped the nightkill.

But w/e I'm not pushing you today anyhow. It's ranger, then enchant, then you, then FL for me atm in terms of what I want to flip the most.

[hebichan]

also i prefer that someone who is human like GIF to hammer . i dont like the idea of anyone getting blood rn

I mean....I would love another chance to block night kill tbh.

[hebichan]

Actually kawaii slot is possible scum considering how town the active posters feel in general.

Firebringer could have also submitted kill last night and honestly has a NAI iso overall.

[hebichan]

Honestly I think grandpa still looks bad personally, his claim was flimsy and then along with the discard matching mine is weird.

If ranger is town the POE FL looks a lot worse.

Enchant is still likely poisoner.

Dunno pink, I'm willing to work with you now tgat you calmed me down. I can isolate enchant and two other people tonight if I go back to 3 blood. One could be you if you don't have an activation tonight.

i literally claimed first. my claim wasnt flimsy it was just late and thats because i had to catch up on something and wanted to come up with a plan for town. but ig no one fucks with it so ima just keep my mouth shut.

we just keep repeating shit or keep going back in circles.

im down to vote anyone today.

but this is what im talking about like we all say oh enchant is likely posioner but dont push them? we all soft pushes but its like enchant this whole game been scumread by atleast one of us at one time and no one has made pressure or a valid push besides me. thats why im voting them rn but ig no one wants to listen or read any of my posts so yep

No one is pushing enchant cause there's a soft guilty on ranger. Also not your doscard claim, your role claim and actions. Also the fact you could have been blocked from killing anyone by my ability. I'm still under the impression I stopped the nightkill.

But w/e I'm not pushing you today anyhow. It's ranger, then enchant, then you, then FL for me atm in terms of what I want to flip the most.

ur role imo doesnt matter because its either i could have been scum who u stopped me from killing someone or firebringer could have been scum but its also the fact that scum could have killed me, fire, or u and we could all be town. or u didnt do anything because gif doc saved pb. if pb was saved that means pb is confirmed and that means klick and ranger is more likely to be scum.

tldr; ur role is very swingy and shouldnt be taken into consideration rn. do u understand? i feel like rn ur role can be resolved by tmr because u couldhave the ability to try again and iso 3 new people that we all collecetivly agree on. does that make sense -- but rn no one is even 100 perecent on u. so who who knows

but also 2: if we agree on who scum is or the voting pattern? then why do u want to vote me? why do u think i would bus 3 times???

Um. I'm rusty at game solving and I was never the best at it. I dunno I'm trying my best friend.

I'm already down on collectively choosing my targets, but if we do that one of them has to be otherwise scum just shoots me and it's a moot point.

[hebichan]

Actually kawaii slot is possible scum considering how town the active posters feel in general.

Firebringer could have also submitted kill last night and honestly has a NAI iso overall.

@Hebi - I've been actively defending you why am I possible scum now Makes no sense for me to push you as probably not lying, and take you out of my scum pools. If you look at one of the fade orders I did earlier, you werent even in it.

Um that's a fair point but I just want to leave my options open.

I dislike being pocketed and GIF and Pink are basically conftown. So there's like weird options around. Also I kinda forgot half the players still alive atm and I guess I'm doing an activity bias thing. Rereading a few things snd looking at player list...

It's like

Gif, Pink
FL
Grandpa
Firebringer, klick
Enchant, kawaii



And ranger us off in a bubble for townpisting but being targeted by scum with a positive ability.

[hebichan]

@Hebi - it's actually okay if scum shoots you, because we'll still know who didn't make the kill, and your flip gets confirmed.

That's fair.

Are we assuming enchant is 3p or scum...and do we think it's 4 scum? Cause I dint think I have enough scumreads us why I'm hesitant with my reads.

[hebichan]

How does firebringer, klick, and kawaii sound for a lock? Thinking on it if enchant is poisoner then there's no reason to worry with no one on the verge of dying. We just flip enchant as soon as anyone reports poisoning.

[hebichan]

Hey enchant, wanna vote on ranger?

P-edit if we assume bussing, it's ranger or klick or both imo.

P-edit

Shoot: Enchant

[hebichan]

where the hell did my text go.

oh it went isnide

sorry!!

here is what i said

"Gif and Firebringer are the only ones that have been wrong this whole entire game which is funny.

If we are assuming third wagon was a bus, Pink Ball doesn't look good imo"

I also dint look good considering on day 2 I never got a chance to vote cause of being v/la and I admittedly did not have a strong day 3 cause I was catching up.

[hebichan]

Real question though. Kawaii based on site flaking is def not poisoiner right?

[hebichan]

I would hammer at e-1at any point to grunted my block cause I dont want scum demons hammering.

So let's discuss who I should block first.

[hebichan]

I would hammer at e-1at any point to grunted my block cause I dont want scum demons hammering.

So let's discuss who I should block first.

i still dont feel comfortable with u hammering

I WANT A HUMAN TO HAMMER PLS

From my pov having a three person jail is the only way to gamesolve and no one else has presented a good explanation for the no kill last night.

If you wake up tomorrow and I lied just flip me.

I need one confirmation from klick though. Us your target from last night unblockable?

[hebichan]

hebi u gonna answer my question

Which one...you asked a lot and I dint have great answers for them all. I'm more interested in game solving then like, weord interactions with you

[hebichan]

I dislike being pocketed and GIF and Pink are basically conftown.

how is pinkie confirmed town.
I am like 99% sure on GIF town here tho.
Would put FL in the same bucket

Actually kawaii slot is possible scum considering how town the active posters feel in general.

Firebringer could have also submitted kill last night and honestly has a NAI iso overall.

why would i go for a kill when kawaii announced he was gonna jail keep me
also how is my iso NAI.

If you and kawaii are scum together you could faked that. As for your iso, most of it is just falling about until yesterday. Mine isn't much better mind you but I'm not even scumreading you that hard. I just have a ton of scumreads and you're kinda defaulted into them by POE.

[hebichan]

I just don't care about your slot right now. If I get hammer I can sort you mechanically, and there are other slots were flipping today.

[hebichan]

If you and kawaii are scum together you could faked that. As for your iso, most of it is just falling about until yesterday. Mine isn't much better mind you but I'm not even scumreading you that hard. I just have a ton of scumreads and you're kinda defaulted into them by POE.

okay...so i faked it with kawaii to go perform a kill.
If ur poeing reading me why aren't u trying to sort me more in column a or b.
u just said u had no interest in interacting with me

Cause I'm more interested in who I should block tonight cause I'm 4 years rusty on reading mafia games abd I was always shit at it. So I want to play to my strengths, which is puzzling it out. I'm POEing who is worth it to block.

[hebichan]

Hebi claimed to target self, Fire, and Mo and say that they can’t be targeted nor make action
PB tracked Klick see Klick visited everyone except Fire and Mo.

It is definitely confirmed.

I'm still incredibly frustrated by this cause this should not be possible.

[hebichan]

Hebi and Enchant scum team?

This makes zero sense. Enchant is my second top elim target today, unless you think I'm bussing.

[hebichan]

Honestly. Based on claims, I think PB is scum gaslighting me, kawaii is scum.

Based on play I could see klick. No one else really cause my reads are trash and I'm getting frustrated as all heck.

Honestly I think me flipping town here is fine cause no one wants to listen to me anyhow or use my power despite it being confirmed and it would take a lot of town cred away from slots I think are scum being townread now.

I don't know how to make cases or make good reads but too many things aren't lining up abd it's making my head hurt along with a shit work day and lack of sleep.

I don't even jnow if ranger being upgraded here is a scum thing or some redirected nonsense.

[hebichan]

VOTE: kawaii

This is the only slot I'm certain is scum. Weaker jailer role is effectively a counterclaim to my ability. They knew tge mechanics with no prompting..


P-edit....didn't enchant claim 3p

[hebichan]

VOTE: kawaii

This is the only slot I'm certain is scum. Weaker jailer role is effectively a counterclaim to my ability. They knew tge mechanics with no prompting..


P-edit....didn't enchant claim 3p

What counterclaim?
We literally have two claimed trackers, two claimed doctors, and a potential two half-vigs.

So why am I a super jailer and and kawaii a normal jailer. I feel like scum getting the weaker power role males sense here.

[hebichan]

Grandpa said his discarded role looked identical to mine. Assuming we're both town....etc etc

I dint think town and scum have duplicate roles but similar ones, but town is doubled up in some cases.

[hebichan]

If anything scum getting the stronger PR makes more sense to deal with all this redirection vig poison bullshit.

Hebi also claimed to discard the upgrader and FA would give wolves an upgrader to make sure that wolves can use their upgraded roles

Grandpa also claimed the same discard.

But hey again, I think me flipping town here is fine. Fucking elim me, I'm not scared.

[hebichan]

If anything scum getting the stronger PR makes more sense to deal with all this redirection vig poison bullshit.

Hebi also claimed to discard the upgrader and FA would give wolves an upgrader to make sure that wolves can use their upgraded roles

Grandpa also claimed the same discard.

But hey again, I think me flipping town here is fine. Fucking elim me, I'm not scared.

I would love to

Calling pink, kawaii, klick scumteam here

[hebichan]

When I flip, you elim that in that order

[hebichan]

Pink has info on fire and grandpa cause scumteam visited them last night and not me.

[hebichan]

ya i'm a wolf for thinking that your stupid op role that blocks 3 people is likely to be wolf and you're likely to be a wolf based on mod meta good job

I need 3 blood to do it. That's my role and if you hate it take it to the mod cause I'm not going to fakeclaim shit to play into a mod meta nonsense. I hate this argument so, so much. I hate this site's stupid meta nonsense and I just want anyone but ranger flipped today cause ranger flipping does nothing to give us info on the larger game state.

[hebichan]

You will not flip because Ranger is flipping today :^)

Let's not.

[hebichan]

I would rather I flip then ranger unironically.

[hebichan]

it's not even site meta, I just played a lot of FA's games and am familiar with her setups

Great, I don't know why she gave me this role then cause apparently it was just to troll the returning player into thinking her op town role was a good thing but really just made her suspect.

Seriously, flip me...I'll start.

VOTE: hebi

[hebichan]

Why are you selfvoting if you think I'm a wolf

Cause no one else trusts me either, except ranger, who is like soft scum. Flavorless grandpa. Fb and Pink are all hedging on me being scum at this point and if they don't let me hammer I'm basically a VT anyhow

[hebichan]

ranger flipping does nothing to give us info on the larger game state

????

If ranger flips scum what does that tell us? Basically nothing.

[hebichan]

Why are you selfvoting if you think I'm a wolf

Cause no one else trusts me either, except ranger, who is like soft scum. Flavorless grandpa. Fb and Pink are all hedging on me being scum at this point and if they don't let me hammer I'm basically a VT anyhow

Flavorleaf

[hebichan]

I really don't care if u hammer

Yeah but half my townreads do apparently

[hebichan]

Something bugged me in the back of my head. Pink kept saying I was lying but never wanted to vote me. It's part of what is making me frustrated abd made me frustrated then.

If I flip, Pink can't be tracker cause I did target myself yesterday and klick never responded to my question if his role is unblockable.

If it is unblockable why did it get blocked w/ regards to firebringer and grandpa.

Pink scum or klick scum or both scum are the only possibilities there.

[hebichan]

I honestly think pink is scum here thinking on it....there's really no other explanation other than outright mod error, but I asked mod and they didn't say anything.

[hebichan]

Something bugged me in the back of my head. Pink kept saying I was lying but never wanted to vote me. It's part of what is making me frustrated abd made me frustrated then.

If I flip, Pink can't be tracker cause I did target myself yesterday and klick never responded to my question if his role is unblockable.

If it is unblockable why did it get blocked w/ regards to firebringer and grandpa.

Pink scum or klick scum or both scum are the only possibilities there.

maybe im stupid but i don't understand this can u dumb it down for my brain

Pink claimed klick visited me, but not you or grandpa. I claimed I jailed myself, you and grandpa.

This does not add up.

My role says it goes before any modifier or skill. Mod says that there might be actions that can go through my jail...but if klick visited everyone with the same ability then I should have been untargetable if you and grandpa were.

[hebichan]

hebi stop the crap for a second please, anytime the wave comes into your direction you flail

Yes, I have tragically low self esteem and don't think I can convince anyone of anything but also you're mechanically scum from my pov.

[hebichan]

kawaii jailkeep

No. Never let kawaii hammer here. I doubt that enchant gets jailed if that happens.

[hebichan]

Why do we want to flip ranger so bad outside of the upgrade. Way too much of us are on board here.

[hebichan]

Why do we want to flip ranger so bad outside of the upgrade. Way too much of us are on board here.

because Drew visited them

I literally said outside of this

Literally every player has made a consensus here and that means at least two scum.

[hebichan]

Why do we want to flip ranger so bad outside of the upgrade. Way too much of us are on board here.

I don't understand why you don't want to flip ranger tbh

Because their posts have been good abd there's a potential for commuter or redirected nonsense

[hebichan]

and PB has been gaslighting me the entire day but not pushing me cause they know if I flip then they are confirmed scum.

So im cool being elimned here. Cause I want to resolve that more than I want to flip ranger.

PB wants to push me tomorrow and go for two town flips here.

[hebichan]

Why do we want to flip ranger so bad outside of the upgrade. Way too much of us are on board here.

I don't understand why you don't want to flip ranger tbh

Because their posts have been good abd there's a potential for commuter or redirected nonsense

its funny how u continue to contribute after self defeated atitude and self voting

I mean I do that a lot. I have trouble with mood swings in mafia unlike every other part of my life. No idea why.

But honestly 100% eliming me is better than ranger for town.

[hebichan]

I mean eliminating pink is way, way better for town but I don't see that happening before I flip now so.

[hebichan]

VOTE: pink

I'll hammer myself if that happens, I'll hammer ranger so I can jail pink if that happens but I'm making my stance clear here.

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

flailing scum ngl

Dont care

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

I’m not calling you bad, I’m saying you’re not really contributing and at this point it just looks like you’re either self loathing or being pity

How am I not contributing? I'm pointing out that you and I can not possibly be aligned mechanically.

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

flailing scum ngl

Dont care

so u admit ur scum?

If I say yes and I flip town. Will you quick vote Pink tomorrow?

[hebichan]

Also I am requesting a mafia tutor after this gane cause I 100% stand by the fact I'm town here.

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

I’m not calling you bad, I’m saying you’re not really contributing and at this point it just looks like you’re either self loathing or being pity

How am I not contributing? I'm pointing out that you and I can not possibly be aligned mechanically.

You said I was your biggest townread and as soon as someone suggested that you could be scum you started flailing and went back to something that we were past through it, making this whole scene about you and how terrible you feel and how bad you are at mafia.

That’s not contributing.

I can't deny that I'm being weird and irrational but I just don't feel right voting ranger here when I know you can't be telling the truth.

[hebichan]

hebich, some advice. if u are town -- you probably could be being used by pinkball. pinkball has every right to push you or like say the things they are saying because they are scum. they want to push a certain adgenda on u. if u think they are scum, it should reasonable they are doing this because in scum's eyes u are probably the strongest role or the biggest threat, and want to set up a day lim on u.

but from town eyes, you are the strongest scumrole too if you are truth telling and therefore if you are scum, then its reasonable for you to be questioned like this

so its like a dilemma, you just have to defend yourself from why you are town . we cant really go based on mechanics no more because mech is just fucked this game.

I don't know what tells are though. Everyone from my eyes seems to be posting town.

[hebichan]

Also if we're not voting based on mechanics there's literally zero reason to vote ranger.

[hebichan]

Also if I genuinely keep posting how u feel it'll just continue to be WIFOM. So I dint know how to progress here other than trying to flip pink.

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

hebi ur arguments for why ranger is town just haven't been convincing me.

I don't know if ranger is town...I just know ranger flipping scum isn't really going to help town besides letting us survive another day.

It's weird. I mean it's probably still right but ugh....it's gut thing that if ranger flips scum scum!Pink snows town into elo. If it's town!ranger I really don't know what the gamestate is.

[hebichan]

hebich, some advice. if u are town -- you probably could be being used by pinkball. pinkball has every right to push you or like say the things they are saying because they are scum. they want to push a certain adgenda on u. if u think they are scum, it should reasonable they are doing this because in scum's eyes u are probably the strongest role or the biggest threat, and want to set up a day lim on u.

but from town eyes, you are the strongest scumrole too if you are truth telling and therefore if you are scum, then its reasonable for you to be questioned like this

so its like a dilemma, you just have to defend yourself from why you are town . we cant really go based on mechanics no more because mech is just fucked this game.

I don't know what tells are though. Everyone from my eyes seems to be posting town.

ye but if u are in a game of mafia where u know there is an x amount of mafia, then you as town are preconditioned to just ultimately find that much mafia. for example, u asy pink ball is one mafia. who is ur other two (if u think there is 3 alive rn)?

once u do that, u will realize alot of associations/reads will fall in place.

I've played tons of games but I've never gotten this click feeling before.

[hebichan]

Kawaii should jailkeep me then

Why

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

hebi ur arguments for why ranger is town just haven't been convincing me.

I don't know if ranger is town...I just know ranger flipping scum isn't really going to help town besides letting us survive another day.

It's weird. I mean it's probably still right but ugh....it's gut thing that if ranger flips scum scum!Pink snows town into elo. If it's town!ranger I really don't know what the gamestate is.

I did not mean to unvote.

VOTE: pink

[hebichan]

hebich, some advice. if u are town -- you probably could be being used by pinkball. pinkball has every right to push you or like say the things they are saying because they are scum. they want to push a certain adgenda on u. if u think they are scum, it should reasonable they are doing this because in scum's eyes u are probably the strongest role or the biggest threat, and want to set up a day lim on u.

but from town eyes, you are the strongest scumrole too if you are truth telling and therefore if you are scum, then its reasonable for you to be questioned like this

so its like a dilemma, you just have to defend yourself from why you are town . we cant really go based on mechanics no more because mech is just fucked this game.

I don't know what tells are though. Everyone from my eyes seems to be posting town.

ye but if u are in a game of mafia where u know there is an x amount of mafia, then you as town are preconditioned to just ultimately find that much mafia. for example, u asy pink ball is one mafia. who is ur other two (if u think there is 3 alive rn)?

once u do that, u will realize alot of associations/reads will fall in place.

I've played tons of games but I've never gotten this click feeling before.

what feeling? talk to me. i wanna understand u better

Like, I never was able to see associastions or what people say is scummy or townships. I've tried I just don't get any of it.

[hebichan]

hebi you’re not doing anything good for your team, town or scum

Pink, I really don't want to hear it regardless of your alignment.

I get I'm bad, I took a 4 year break from this site cause in bad. But you're scum

I’m not calling you bad, I’m saying you’re not really contributing and at this point it just looks like you’re either self loathing or being pity

How am I not contributing? I'm pointing out that you and I can not possibly be aligned mechanically.

You said I was your biggest townread and as soon as someone suggested that you could be scum you started flailing and went back to something that we were past through it, making this whole scene about you and how terrible you feel and how bad you are at mafia.

That’s not contributing.

I can't deny that I'm being weird and irrational but I just don't feel right voting ranger here when I know you can't be telling the truth.

You knew I couldn’t be telling the truth when you called me your biggest townread hebi

No I didn't. I was assuming klick was going to be claiming and unblockable role or something.

[hebichan]

You've also claimed I was being coordinated by groupscum and then that I wasn't helping my alignment no matter what faction I was.

Like. I am fickle. Let me read and try to focus instead of pulling on my weird contradictions.

[hebichan]

Wotcha folks.

On a skim through I feel like hebichan's "miller" musing about firebringer could possibly be S-S when combined with firebringer's "kinda like PGO" attempt to deter investigatives targetting them.

I do see why Ice's backing down in 87 looks suspicious but that's just relative to the other pure RVS stuff going on. I don't think scum would really be that jumpy that early.

Drew and GuyInFreezer both look towny to me. Initial gut feel is Ranger is town too.

VOTE: FireBringer

I don't like this post tbh. Anyone else feel like that?

I dunno if it's actually bad or not.

Idk feels like an imaginality post to me
If I was in game solving mode I’d have questions on what makes it really look like S and S between us but I’m not that curious right now

Nothing scummy about aging, natural process

About how I'm playing thanks

the way you progress in game makes it look like ur appeasing or following crowd on purpose.

I feel Black is actually off this game.
Would be more interested in seeing more posts from her

ngl i feel pretty indifferent to the leading wagon though.
not arguing against it but just feels pretty milquotoast to me.

I want something spicy
VOTE: Black
Come in here and call me scum. Also chat with me.

that did feel like a townie response tho hebi. Good work

{IceDragon70}
{GuyInFreezer, Firebringer}
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{Pink Ball, Doctor Drew, KawaiiKame}
{imaginality, Klickwork, GrandpaMo}
{Kokichi Oma}
{hebichan}
{Flavor Leaf}
{BlueSnakelet, Black}

p14
(ngl I actually feel I have some players too high rn since aside from Blue/Black none of the southern reads are scum to me rn.

Firebringer:

Now would actually be a time to unironically dismantle my readslist and point out the town names too low and the scum names too high.)

i don't have that many strong disagreements here. Mostly cause my reads are like almost all nullish.

I agree GIF is pretty obvtown here. I think Grandpamo is too
Everything else i don't feel like arguing cause i just don't feel strong about.
If i had energy and wanted to argue i would say bluesnake and Ice should nowhere be top or bottom as I don't feel strongly in anyway on either of them but that is me arguing for a null which doesn't give me a good reason to actually argue with ur reads.

I am also thinking i will sort icedragon once i sort u. And I don't like u continuing to push me up the reads lists.

also hebichan is weak town for me.
imaginality is inching towards scummy for how he is approaching his push on me.

VOTE: Imaginality
I will start spicying up this game.
Hey imaginality lets have a chat

i think u should townread hebi.
i mean i have a weak townread on her

Nothing scummy about aging, natural process

About how I'm playing thanks

the way you progress in game makes it look like ur appeasing or following crowd on purpose.

I'm following crowd cause I don't have any strong reads and I thought being on a wagon and applying pressure might help.

Anyhow I'm gonna overcompensate your advice and stick on blue for now.

VOTE: black

I feel like the slot is too quiet and maybe lurking.

P -edit- I was posting this before you said anything fb lol

doesn't feel like she is caring how she looks to me?

also

Is Hebichan someone who normally cares about how they look as a wolf?

im not an expert with hebi scum but i think all scum care who aren't experienced wolves care about their appearance. I mean....hebi doesn't strike me as a very experienced scum player

Hebi strikes me as someone who doesn't have their heart in the game when they play wolf

so u agree with me then

I think PB is right that this will bring a lot of info
VOTE: BlueSnek
if not scum i got words for Ali though.

Pb claiming to track me is a wolf claim btw

Thoughts on Pink Ball/Grandpa/Ranger team?

well pinkie or klick but yeah this is where i am at

i want to back to reads based play
VOTE: Ranger

It targets someone else randomly, so I wouldn't be in the pool of possible redirects back.

so PB is lying?

Starting a fresh read list on grandpas suggestions with FB.

90% of FBs posts are like....one sentence no explanations given coasting, FB has been on every bad wagon, and no good wagon despite calling drew scum at one point.

FB was jailed when there was no night kill.

FB also pointed out that PB has claims that contradict flavor, which means PB is caught twice here, but never pushed this.

I Feel like FBs shitty posting style is sort of his meta based on how other people are treating the slot.

If we think that poisoner is scum aligned, this might be the slot considering both kawaii and myself were going to jail the slot. If kawaii is scum with FB my previous theory could hold that they coordinated and were going to have FB fire the shot then claim to be jailed.

But also FB has been throwing Kawaii under the bus today so it would be strange. Plus Kawaii siteflaked and therefore might not have submitted an action at all last night.

I don't think that FB is confirmed scum based on any of this, but there are scenarios where he could be.

[hebichan]

I feel like the elim today should always just be either Furtive or BlueSnek tbh

I’m with it. Blue might be a better elim since if Furtive ends up being town, Blue’s dead anyways, which makes a few rough days if Blue is also town.

I don’t care which. I lean scum on Furtive more than Blue, but can’t say I’m overly confident on either of those

blue

Scum are going to start having to deal with Klick-Fire-Flavor trio sooner rather than later.

If one of them are scum, I’d eventually start to realize it as the game went on, and I’m sure they have precautions with me, but we catch a scum or 2, I’m not worried we can’t successfully town block.

Your confidence seems weird here

Not gonna lie, I’m a pretty confident guy.

I’m confident that if I’m wrong on one of Klick/Firebringer, they know they’ll have to take me out eventually too, and vice versa.

I don’t mind actively tying myself to them because I’m generally on board with what they’re saying lately, and if they’re scum, I’ll start to feel the buoy we’ve set sink as time goes on.

And if we are all town, scum are going to have to intervene.

I'm down for an IceDragon claim, tbh

Can everyone just post their no.1 scumread at this time, excepting Drew and Klickwork if possible

Pink Ball

Not interested in going after Klick here in the slightest.

I'd lean over DD there, and even then, I'm leaning it to be T/T.

FL if Drew is honest about his role, why did he visit ranger?

why would he say that as scum?

could be scum mess up, but like it requires him to make a weird choice either way. i almost see it like a bigger blunder if he is scum.

if the game was that easy, i don't know why u/me and ali are all alive still.
i mean i guess ali alive because frame but still....

i think scum could have killed Ice because they thought maybe Alisae was a 3rd party or Ice got a false guilty with the potential to get guilties other wise, and killed Ice could have framed a TownKlick.

I don't necessarily agree that it's an easy solve. We earned some of these town reads if they are real.

Kokichi was a good no-info kill Night 1 since we were on the wrong track from a hard push on Imaginality.

icetargeted furitive

ice fake guilty klick yesterday

And look at that misrep by saying I did nothing day 1. I actively said the opposite but in a way where people could think I was doing nothing.

Grandpa grasping at straws hard right now.

I might not be 100% correct on scum team, but it's clear to me I've caught some in my net on entirely the reaction I've gotten since.

Hebichan is a possible bus on Drew who they think could be going down imo.

i also told u that i agreed with ur gif read and i like ur hebichan read too

I understand. But you gotta see from my pov why I wouldn't necessarily like that. I don't 100% expect to be right, and if anything, I expect to be wrong. So it feels like conditioning when you do something like that. Like hmm, is Grandpa scum trying to reward me for a wrong read, throw me off to distance, stuff like that.

It's juicy stuff to analyze as the game goes on, though, so keep it going. It will help you get town read in the long run, but it's not town indicatve atm. it could be, though, later

Oh, i keep forgetting the tracker thing with Drew.


Hebi looks like a low momentum shifting bus on Drew if I'm being perfectly honest.

Drew/Furtive/Gif makes so much sense right now.

Doctor Drew (7)[Elimination]: Ranger, Flavor Leaf, hebichan, Klickwork, Enchant, Pink Ball, GrandpaMo
Klickwork (1):

Doctor Drew

Not Voting (4):

furtiveglance

, Firebringer, GuyInFreezer, KawaiiKame

and yet, 2 scum on the wagon is confusing for people.

ha

never said it was confusing

i rather highlight flavor leaf

, hebichan, klick and enchant those 4. and two of them are scum

this is what I mean by conditioning.


First of all, the highlight is coming from my POV, and now they're trying to argue that my thing would have been better with me in it.

Go check the read he had on me end of day yesterday. That does not fit.

When you treat them townie, they're happy with you, when you treat them scummy, they take an L.

It's different than a normal town reaction, it's almost immediate change, like a pet spray bottle. This is how I caught Catboi last year to a smaller scale.

Look at Grandpa's post this page. He's doing scum damage control, and he was trying to control this game and get us set on where we ended at the end of the day reads wise to power through a day and consider this 'auto'.

Okay, my big reason for not trusting Pink Ball here:

I used my Magical Fog last night. Pink couldn't have seen Klickwork targeting me.

Ranger and Grandpa are also both looking town to me on a posts level.

UNVOTE: Ranger

GIF/Pink I can't see as scum right now.

Enchant, Kawaii slot, Klick is probably just the scum team.

Firebringer I'm 50/50.

thios progression on grandpa seems weird to me. Why did you move grandpa from your biggest scumread to basically confirmed town? There's no real mechanical reason. I don't see much of a post change in the meantime..

But what's interesting to me here is FL has caught pink in a lie as well. Once time is weird, two times is scum, no?

FL, you and I both saw PB lie so why can't you see them as sum in your later read list?

i have to assume we share an alignment here based off us both having a similar thing happen with PB claiming tracking.

[hebichan]

10 new pages to read, tomorrow when I'm less tired I'll review. I did see we're wagoning though.
VOTE: imaginality

Hello,

I have a soft-guilty on BlueSnakelet.

VOTE: BlueSnakelet

I can claim the details if need be.

Am I the only one who is scared of scum poisoner meaning extra deaths?

If they poison people we wanted dead anyway, let them. We'll eliminate them when we've a need to.
Worst case scenario: Drew town, furtive town, scum nightkill N3, we go into D4 with 9 alive.
Given this was a 17 player game, shouldn't be 5 groupscum, so we shouldn't lose even in the worst-case scenario. The poisoner might condemn a player; we've potentially two chances (lim+redirected-nk) to deal with them if so.

Hello,

I redirected hebican to Enchant last night

.
Tbh I thought hebichan was a good player to redirect but I lacked ideas on who to redirect towards.
I figured Enchant would be a good choice.

@ranger pls out ur redirects

N1: BlueSnakelet to Black (submitted while Black was Black, before Black became Empathice).
N2: Pink Ball to Flavor Leaf.
N3: hebichan to Enchant.

As a demon, I get pms tracking blood every night. They have coincided with flips, and no one used blood before night 3. Blood count was 1, 4, 6, 1

That is a personal blood tracker, not a blood tracker for everyone.

UNVOTE: hebichan

I also got an answer from the mod, using an example of busdriver.

Busdriver is higher in NAR so would be first. If my action happened first for any reason, I'd cancel the busdrive.

As in, if I targeted player B(usdrive) and redirected them to player E, and player B busdrove C and D, the busdrive would come first by default;
If I were hastened, the busdrive would fail because player B would be busdriving player E to player E.

If the logic holds, per hebichan's claim, I

think

her claim's true now.

2267 is a townslip, and by mechanics I believe her role comes first.

I'd like to specify I'll not be truly around for another 3-6 hours or so. I've a

momentary

window to share this, not a dedicated bloc of time.

I thought about my reads and

tentatively

, this is where I'm at:

(NOTE: 3p not factored in. This is purely for scum; any 3p are essentially considered town for the purpose of this list.)

{Pink Ball, GuyInFreezer}
{Klickwork, hebichan, Enchant}
{Firebringer}
{KawaiiKame}
{GrandpaMo}
{Flavor Leaf}

I very strongly believe Pink Ball to be town by both claim and role. His claimed role fits perfectly since a human tracker would need either scent (Tanjiro, who flipped with a different power), hearing (Zenitsu, who flipped with a different power; Tengen Uzui), or touch (Inosuke, with Beast Breathing, Seventh Form, Spacial Awareness).
The discarded power perfectly fits Enmu's power. I knew flavor-wise Enmu would either be a commuter/BP (because of merging with a train), or a roleblocker due to Enmu's power to put players to sleep. Selecting the tracker over the roleblocker is +town.
Seeing his stances, it's clear he thought he had genuine guilties.

I strongly believe GuyInFreezer is town by play. I don't see him having claimed flavor from a skim (I'll review), so that aspect's hard to verify. The choice of doctor fits, and the targets were good ones. GIF has been consistently solving in ways I find incredibly +town.

Klickwork I believe has a genuine result, and I genuinely believe they think it was a guilty. I realize they

could

have bussed; play-wise I don't think they did. Their interaction is believable and role-wise I buy it. Daki's demon art involved using her ribbons to create a network of information throughout the entire town, tracking movements similarly to how Inosuke does. An effectively passive demon art fits. In the rare instances Daki gets her head cut off (she can slay Hashira on her own), Ume comes out to avenge her (Vengeful) and cuts her would-be slayer down. Ume is notably the stronger of the two and only comes out late, so summoning him naturally would be expensive. Once he comes out, Daki doesn't use her ribbons anymore, so I buy the track being disabled.

Enchant

might

be a 3p, but he's certainly not scum. Since he's

either

town or 3p, regardless he's not someone I'd recommend voting out any time soon. I've seen Enchant react to guilties and he genuinely believes the guilty. He's not faking his belief I'm scum, which makes him town (or effectively so).

hebichan is purely for a townslip:

3.2. Demons earn blood for each death in-game (elimination or kills). If they are directly involved with the kill they earn 1 extra blood (if they hammer the elimination or they do the killing).
3.3. Blood demon arts cost a certain amount of blood to be cast. The entire blood reserve of the demon gets zeroed after casting a blood demon art.

Maybe it's a thing about choosing slayer, you don't need blood but your ability is weaker overall.

I don't recall claiming slayer.

I even specified I discarded the role which very clearly has a breathing technique.

What leads you to believe I am one? I've acted every night, sure; I've also been on every elimination.
Why is your conclusion I'm a slayer with a 1-cost breathing technique, rather than a demon with a cheap repeatable demon art?

As a demon, I get pms tracking blood every night.

They have coincided with flips, and no one used blood before night 3.

Blood count was 1, 4, 6, 1

hebichan had a fundamental misunderstanding of blood mechanics. The

only

way she would genuinely make this mistake as scum is if she were on the scumteam and the entire scumteam was human.

I don't believe the mistake was faked. hebichan assumed I am human through a wrong mechanic; that's not something scum would go out of their way to invent.
Ergo, with her genuinely having made a mechanics mistake, she couldn't have had a scumteam to compare notes on demon arts about.

She can be 3p, she can be scum on a team entirely comprised of humans. She cannot be scum if there's a demon on the scumteam.

I'd strongly recommend avoiding eliminations on the top five.

The bottom four logically should contain the remaining scum.

I believe if there was a foiled kill via protection it was either on Pink Ball or Firebringer, which is why Firebringer is on the top.
I believe there's a decent chance GrandpaMo was the killer and failed thanks to hebichan.
I believe FlavorLeaf is the most likely reason for the night shenanigans being what they have been.

None of these are definitive. I feel my PoE is good.

I intend to explain these reads in further detail, as well as review every aspect of them, in approximately 4 hours.

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

[hebichan]

@Hebichan - I have kind of a soul read on you and Grandpa. Grandpa and I have been through the thick of it.

You, idk, you pocket me with Snivy, and I really don't see you lying here. There's a chance Pink Ball is power scumming it, which in that scenario, Pink Ball/GIF scum team sucks here, but I think Pink Ball moving away from the 1v1 with Klick is townie ish.


@Grandpa - I may change a lot, but at least you know I'm playing off the tip of my hat and not prepping/planning anything. If you ever see scumMe, sometimes I actively have to try to not be so concise and perfect with my reads.

OKay, but you and I both have counterclaims on PB, why would we back down on that?

Like, I'm calm now but also this still doesn't pass the sniff test right?

[hebichan]

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

ngl this looks like u scumread ranger but dont want to because of a discrpency on pb

You aren't wrong. Again, I said it before, I am more scared of PB getting towncred for this than anything else right now....and now that i reread and saw the FL PB stuff I'm actually heavier on that.

Can you give me a competing theory on PB being town here?

[hebichan]

yo FL where at with ur solve atm
cause i feel if Grandpa is town here i think im being pocketed somewhere

GIF or Ranger, probs not both, and at least one of Enchant/Kawaii.

Pink, Hebi, Fire, and Klick are possible for a straggler, but I honestly don't know how I'd even rank that because I get townie vibes from everyone of you, but can make a scum case for each as well, but vibe wise/tone wise, along with interacting with, I don't get scum vibes.

Grandpa just coming off as obv town at times to me, and I don't really see the purpose of him playing the way he is as scum.

Can you answer my questions? I am not scumreading you but I am getting super frustrated at people scumreading me for not answering certain things then getting ignored when I am effortposting.

[hebichan]

PB can just track GiF

I'm good with this.

GIF should always be targeting PB tonight too with a doctor.

Gif is town, I’m not investigating them. I won’t get leashed with an investigative role in a role madness game

who is the poisoner

I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUUUUUUUUUCK

you should

No I shouldn’t, not today, we don’t need to solve the entire fucking game today, we can go one by one, and getting specifically the poisoner today would be the most difficult task to follow so it’s just STUPID.

you should be using your track to find them

PB either doesn't have a track or its unreliable enough to have been denied by two people.

[hebichan]

Hebi you’re not even doing the task you had to do, the point of doing that was having a fresh start, but you’re reading slots again pointing out that I’m scum in every single one of them which makes it a pointless excercise

My fresh start started alphabetically and led to a post where FB pointed out FL claimed you lied again. Sorry I can't literally erase my memories for you.

[hebichan]

@Hebichan - My thing with Pink Ball actually makes sense for tracker, but it's not impossible they got lucky.

Your discrepancy makes sense for you to scum read Pink Ball.

Pink Ball/Gif is one of my tinfoil teams right now, and personally, I don't know how to deal with that team here, so I'm kind of just hoping it isn't them.

If you're soul reading me as town here and you say it makes sense for me to scumread PB here....then ????

[hebichan]

Pink Ball is literally claimed tracker unless you really think PB and Klick are scum together who coordinated the whole 1v1 just to confirm PB as a tracker.

GIF, from my perspective the alternative is even weirder than that. If PB *is* tracker, then someone powered up klick to break through my jailbreak but not on FB or Mo, only for me. Does that make any sense to you?

[hebichan]

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

ngl this looks like u scumread ranger but dont want to because of a discrpency on pb

You aren't wrong. Again, I said it before, I am more scared of PB getting towncred for this than anything else right now....and now that i reread and saw the FL PB stuff I'm actually heavier on that.

Can you give me a competing theory on PB being town here?

we dont think pb is town thats the problem hebich haha

we just arent 100 percent sure on either klick or pb. no one is. pb and klick will never get towncred dw about that. they will be more suspectible people with a more likely scum depending on the flip of ranger. depedning on rangers flip, it could help your case.we are more likely to secure scum in ranger because of past events that happened before all this mech shit. if it flips scum, then guess what u are more likely to be town, and we get PB out and boom we win. i think we win thru this route if we dont do a NC.

SO then what's the deal with you not wanting me to hammer?? That's the thing that really set me off on my last tangent.

[hebichan]

Pink Ball is literally claimed tracker unless you really think PB and Klick are scum together who coordinated the whole 1v1 just to confirm PB as a tracker.

GIF, from my perspective the alternative is even weirder than that. If PB *is* tracker, then someone powered up klick to break through my jailbreak but not on FB or Mo, only for me. Does that make any sense to you?

And that’s why I gave you the benefit of the doubt

I don't see how you could ever give me the benefit of the doubt there.. that's my issue. You should have been pushing me harder. There's no world where our claims made sense together.

Also you're the one flailing now.

[hebichan]

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

ngl this looks like u scumread ranger but dont want to because of a discrpency on pb

You aren't wrong. Again, I said it before, I am more scared of PB getting towncred for this than anything else right now....and now that i reread and saw the FL PB stuff I'm actually heavier on that.

Can you give me a competing theory on PB being town here?

we dont think pb is town thats the problem hebich haha

we just arent 100 percent sure on either klick or pb. no one is. pb and klick will never get towncred dw about that. they will be more suspectible people with a more likely scum depending on the flip of ranger. depedning on rangers flip, it could help your case.we are more likely to secure scum in ranger because of past events that happened before all this mech shit. if it flips scum, then guess what u are more likely to be town, and we get PB out and boom we win. i think we win thru this route if we dont do a NC.

I know you think I'm scum but humor me for a moment and see it from my perspective. IS there literally any other world? No one has given me a plausible world where PB and I are the same alignment. That is all I want.

If I can't see it maybe someone can help me see it.

[hebichan]

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

ngl this looks like u scumread ranger but dont want to because of a discrpency on pb

You aren't wrong. Again, I said it before, I am more scared of PB getting towncred for this than anything else right now....and now that i reread and saw the FL PB stuff I'm actually heavier on that.

Can you give me a competing theory on PB being town here?

we dont think pb is town thats the problem hebich haha

we just arent 100 percent sure on either klick or pb. no one is. pb and klick will never get towncred dw about that. they will be more suspectible people with a more likely scum depending on the flip of ranger. depedning on rangers flip, it could help your case.we are more likely to secure scum in ranger because of past events that happened before all this mech shit. if it flips scum, then guess what u are more likely to be town, and we get PB out and boom we win. i think we win thru this route if we dont do a NC.

SO then what's the deal with you not wanting me to hammer?? That's the thing that really set me off on my last tangent.

thats because u are still in towns perspective also not confirmed town . see thats the dilemma here. do we wanna trust u so u can iso 3 people and be towns best hero? or do we wanna risk that and have u control 3 people to win wiht scum. ur role, if scum, literally is a wincondition, ofc people are gonna be weary about having u as hammer. u have to understand both perspectives -- and so therefore to elimante any bias -- thats why we have someone who is a human, so neither any of the demon people get blood to cause choas already. its like the people who already have it, fine. they can claim it the next day, but if we fuel u, then it could be even worse.

this is how me and the rest of town see it. do u understand?

Yes, I do. Great solution. Let's flip pink, then you for sure know my alignment. I am the first one on the wagon so there's no chance I get hammer on this wagon.

[hebichan]

proof that they're a doctor is where?

There’s no proof, I believe him because I’m townreading them. I’m not tracking a townread that claimed being a doctor

Occam's razor the doctor is fake and I blocked the night kill.

[hebichan]

Like, mechanically...if what I said before was a town slip, Ranger not understanding how the role priority worked was also a townslip. They've been reading pages and commenting on reads pretty often and their reads more importantly have been freaking awful.

I haven't seen a justified reason to flip this slot other than GIF claiming a soft guilty there. I don't think this is a super towny slot but I think the haste to flip it has been super weird.

Ranger has barely posted at all, or interacted with anyone. Maybe they're pocketing me with the defense of me...but why sheep me when Iam being sused by everyone. I still don't hate flipping ranger but it's not as bad as people seem to be saying here.

ngl this looks like u scumread ranger but dont want to because of a discrpency on pb

You aren't wrong. Again, I said it before, I am more scared of PB getting towncred for this than anything else right now....and now that i reread and saw the FL PB stuff I'm actually heavier on that.

Can you give me a competing theory on PB being town here?

we dont think pb is town thats the problem hebich haha

we just arent 100 percent sure on either klick or pb. no one is. pb and klick will never get towncred dw about that. they will be more suspectible people with a more likely scum depending on the flip of ranger. depedning on rangers flip, it could help your case.we are more likely to secure scum in ranger because of past events that happened before all this mech shit. if it flips scum, then guess what u are more likely to be town, and we get PB out and boom we win. i think we win thru this route if we dont do a NC.

I know you think I'm scum but humor me for a moment and see it from my perspective. IS there literally any other world? No one has given me a plausible world where PB and I are the same alignment. That is all I want.

If I can't see it maybe someone can help me see it.

let me break it down more for u. i dont think u are scum nor town imo . i am just as confused as you are hebichan.

there is so many worlds right now.

there is a world where PB, FL, and GIF are all together as a team. [ this is stacked btw]
there is a world where FL, Enchant, Grandpa are all together as a team.

I don't think its helpful in listing out of all the worlds. Right now, nothing is confirmed to NO one. Till we get a certain missing piece filled, then we can start slowly putting pieces together. Players like GIF are trying to do it early but are to no success because guess what! The missing piece is still missing. That piece we get from a Day Condemn or a Night Kill -- Again, this is why I wanted to NC because scum's Night Kill can be really beneficial for us to really process why Mafia killed said person, it will confirm one person as town.

So, honestly -- Youre best bet is to follow through from shit that is happening from before and not to brainwashed by this propaganda bullshit that BOTH town and mafia is pulling.

I don't think FL and PB and GIF are a team.

[hebichan]

Grandpa you’re doing jackshit and hiding behind coaching hebi

You're being very hostile and I am starting to dislike your demeanor this game. I am just tired of this day. I already have said I am confused by the game state. I already explained 5 times what I want to do, no one listens to me.


Once this game ends, I want an apology from everyone because they will see I am right.

I'll apologize for the wifom and flailing from before and not much else.

[hebichan]

I’m not being hostile, I’m trying to get a conversation going with people who are actively solving the game and you’re just making noise

??? That was a very unncessary comment. I was having a conversation with hebichan. No need for you to act like me and hebichan don't matter.

It is the same for you and FL just like how both you are having a convo. Me and Hebichan are on the actual game state right now and how Hebichan's feel.


This is hypocrisy.

You’re either town hyping scum, or scum hyping scum. You decide

lol. LMAO, ROFL even.

[hebichan]

If PB is town, then they should be tracking me shouldn't they?

[hebichan]

By the way if it wasn’t clear, hebi is still scum since they claimed self targeting and that their power would act before anyone else’s so an interference makes no sense.

Both hebi and Grandpa having the same discard? That’s fucking IMPOSSIBLE and my theory is that that’s a scum slip between the two. One of them claimed the other one’s discard by accident

Your progression with me makes no sense here. I am harder confirmed scum in your eryes than ranger is. You refused my 1 v 1 claiming that klick was your target now you're pushing ranger super hard.

And now you're pushing grandpa.

[hebichan]

By the way if it wasn’t clear, hebi is still scum since they claimed self targeting and that their power would act before anyone else’s so an interference makes no sense.

Both hebi and Grandpa having the same discard? That’s fucking IMPOSSIBLE and my theory is that that’s a scum slip between the two. One of them claimed the other one’s discard by accident

Your progression with me makes no sense here. I am harder confirmed scum in your eryes than ranger is. You refused my 1 v 1 claiming that klick was your target now you're pushing ranger super hard.

And now you're pushing grandpa.

I like this post. I am starting to like you more and more hebichan.

I literally said it before. PB doesn't want me to flip here cause it makes them outted scum but they want me as an easy lynch in elo if they're "confirmed" tracker.

[hebichan]

By the way if it wasn’t clear, hebi is still scum since they claimed self targeting and that their power would act before anyone else’s so an interference makes no sense.

Both hebi and Grandpa having the same discard? That’s fucking IMPOSSIBLE and my theory is that that’s a scum slip between the two. One of them claimed the other one’s discard by accident

Your progression with me makes no sense here. I am harder confirmed scum in your eryes than ranger is. You refused my 1 v 1 claiming that klick was your target now you're pushing ranger super hard.

And now you're pushing grandpa.

I like this post. I am starting to like you more and more hebichan.

I literally said it before. PB doesn't want me to flip here cause it makes them outted scum but they want me as an easy lynch in elo if they're "confirmed" tracker.

l word

I am sworry, I have sinned. Ugh give me a warning.

[hebichan]

don't beat yourself up too much over it but do better

i will. I haven't been on the site since the rule happened but I also knew about it from overhearing LLD and GI talking about it second hand... I'll let that be my one slip.

Literally never slipped till now despite getting actually angry before >,...,>

[hebichan]

I think I will it call a goodnight. This has been a shit show.

night

[hebichan]

I feel like we all learned something today, but I can not for the life of me figure out what.

[hebichan]

Grandpa, sorry for the hostility, it’s been nice playing with you

It's okay. I am sorry too. This game I been insane--overly inmature I feel like. I really enjoy you too

Hopefully I will do better when I wake up.

I recommend you unvote still. Idk the vote count.

it was posted on the last page

pretty sure the current count is 3

[hebichan]

I feel like we all learned something today, but I can not for the life of me figure out what.

you should vote ranger

aren;t you worried about hammer in the night?

[hebichan]

it feels like throwing though still

[hebichan]

hebi if you want like… a little bit of towncred you should vote now and not wait for the hammer

I don't want to argue with you PB right now. It's literally a town win if I hammer so who cares about towncred tomorrow. But I get it, for those of us who aren't scum and aren't me it looks like scum *sigh*

I hate this set up so much.

[hebichan]

hebi do it, GiF is here too

what if I just went to bed instead of listening to scum though and then let kawaii wake up and do it.

[hebichan]

VOTE: Ranger

This is literally the worst I have felt in years and I literally feel like im throwing the game