Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

[usesPython]

I'll let Ranger decide if she wants to reveal why she's conftown

From a dayplay perspective though if Ranger is Mafia then that means the entire 15 page wall war between Kirigiri and Ranger was SvS which would be really weird since Kirigiri would be calling out her partner as Traitor

[usesPython]

HEAL: previous proposal

HURT: Radical Rat, Ranger, usesPython, KKFC, sheep

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Kirigiri quotes

I was in the middle of pushing Doctor Drew when suddenly D1 was ended fue to scum powers, and then the game was compromised D2.
So now I finally get to VOTE: Doctor Drew

This is a scum claim, I was town in the OG game.

But you will be dealt with later.

VOTE: python

Kill them before someone brings up mech talk and maths.

You're too late, we already meched on why giving Innocent Child inventions with the Normal Invention is optimal

I work more on mech later when i have more time and can be actually invested in game. I honestly think the invention talks must wait till night phase and be in the nightmare itself and for now everyone must just focus on nightmare team to be as close as it can be to all town to be voted regarding that mech

game is bastard and there might be cults and other stuff so it matters who you targeting with ic (even more if it also has a bp)
the night discussions in nightmare can be really important - and not just for invention - there are many things in this game that might be an important topic to discuss in n1

also did mod confirm a bp IC is a valid invention or not? IC is like passive on its own and can be considered modifier.

Honestly I think this is something the nightmare group better discuss in private at night phase and check with mod instead of publicly discussing here what we intend to give away right now. Based on details that can come up in a nightmare topic they might change decisions.

Regardless and in any scenario deep mech talks in this game in day phase is distractions. Based on game design we need to find scum and town and vote town for nightmare as best as we can. rest is not important for day itself

for example in last game we couldnt give ic invention. plan was to give friendly neighbor to someone and make them target my mason partner so we could have double confirmation of them being town and making a town block but that needed nightmare discussions and couldn't have been discussed in open

even if discussing what we wanna give in open might not hurt, discussing how to give it might be an extremely bad idea cause we don't know how other roles can interact/what exist to nullify them/make them back fire at us

I think Rauth's just never Mafia here with how these posts were never pushed

HURT: Radical Rat, Ranger, usesPython, Rautherdir, sheepsaysmeep

[usesPython]

2 scum + traitor + 2+ cult is probably what we're looking at.

If we're doing a pure 7 person nightmare we're gonna either need to risk in the ccs/Abnegation/StD (since there's probably not more than 1 scum in that group and they're also less likely to have been culted) or accept we're getting one of cult or scum outside that group. I think we're pretty set to kill mafia this game and it's the cult I'm worried about rn

2 1/2 mafia is very unlikely from a balance standpoint.

Last game was 17p with 4 mafia and a 2-shot mentor, why is 19p with 4 mafia, a traitor, and a 2-shot mentor unlikely from a balance standpoint?

[usesPython]

Last game was 17p with 4 mafia and a 2-shot mentor, why is 19p with 4 mafia, a traitor, and a 2-shot mentor unlikely from a balance standpoint?

Doesn't even need to be 2-shot mentor

[usesPython]

How does massclaim benefit town if the main worry is cult? Culted members can just say their original role right? I'm sure there's logic here but I don't see it yet.

Good point

I think there's maybe an argument for investigative roles to post their results and for Abne/StD/ccs to fullclaim so that we can try to hit scum there but it's probably not the best idea

[usesPython]

Cult isn't the same as mafia. Even in a multiball scenario, 2 1/2 mafia either requires a near vanilla town team or extraordinarily overpowered mafia team. Standard balance in single ball is probably 4 to 4 1/2 mafia in 19p. For multiball, I'd expect closer to a full 3 members (with moderate powers) per scum team to be standard.

Wait I think we're misunderstanding each other, we're saying there's 2 mafia + traitor + CL + 0-2 cultists

still alive

[usesPython]

im really curious why camelSnivy is sus to people il probably refocus on that later

I think StD is more sus than Snivy going by memory but we still need to do a reread

[usesPython]

Ranger whats the point of not revealing? Just curious

Cult would be throwing the game if they converted her before revealing because once ELO hits we just tell her to reveal and if she's culted she just dies

[usesPython]

like until she reveals the only reason for her to get culted is if cult need her dead

[usesPython]

Actually nvm, Ranger are you 1-shot IC or just IC in general? cause if it's not 1-shot you can just reveal every day

[usesPython]

Tl;dr: One town person got shot by our mason miller vig, Drew was an elite bodyguard that took out Titus while saving someone else. Kirigiri got given an invention of bulletproof mason, but didn't get it properly, and thus was proven to be scum and eliminated. And now we're at today...

Saving this one for later...

btw it's very likely Drew targeted us based on his posts in Nightmare 1

[usesPython]

God Flea's legit gonna be impossible to sort with that ISO

[usesPython]

Spoiler: D1 VCA

VC 1.24

Merlyn

(7, E-3!):

Abnegation,

Radical Rat

,

Ranger

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet

WhemeStar

(3):

Aureal

, KatyKimFanClub, camelCasedSnivy

Ranger

(3):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Doctor Drew

,

Merlyn

Rauthedir (2):

DragonEater70,

Titus

KatyKimFanClub (1):

WhemeStar

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

camelCasedSnivy (0):

Aureal

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (3):

Flea the Magician, Random Nurse, Rautherdir

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

Deadline is suspended at 3 days, 10 hours until a replacement for

Merlyn

is found.

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
- DragonEater70 is V/LA until Thursday.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- Replacing

Merlyn

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (7, E-3!):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Rautherdir, formerly

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(3):

Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

VC 1.25

WhemeStar

(5):

Aureal

,

Ranger

, Abnegation, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

usesPython

, Save The Dragons

Cat Scratch Fever

(3):

sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet,

Doctor Drew

Rauthedir (3):

Titus

, DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy

Ranger

(2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

WhemeStar

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

Aureal

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (4):

Flea the Magician, Random Nurse, Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

Deadline is suspended at 3 days, 10 hours until a replacement for

Merlyn

is found.

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- Replacing Random Nurse

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (7, E-3!):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Rautherdir, formerly

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(3):

Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

VC 1.26

WhemeStar

(5):

Aureal

,

Ranger

, Abnegation, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

camelCasedSnivy (4):

Cat Scratch Fever

,

usesPython

, Save The Dragons,

Titus

Cat Scratch Fever

(3):

sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet,

Doctor Drew

Rauthedir (2):

DragonEater70, camelCasedSnivy

Ranger

(2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

WhemeStar

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

Aureal

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (4):

Flea the Magician, Random Nurse, Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-19 22:45:00)

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- Replacing Random Nurse

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (7, E-3!):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Rautherdir, formerly

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(3):

Rautherdir, KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

VC 1.27

WhemeStar

(9, E-1):

Aureal

,

Ranger

, Abnegation, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, KatyKimFanClub,

Cat Scratch Fever

, sheepsaysmeep, camelCasedSnivy

camelCasedSnivy (2):

Save The Dragons,

Titus

Cat Scratch Fever

(2):

Morning Tweet,

Doctor Drew

Ranger

(2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

WhemeStar

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Flea The Magician

Rauthedir (2):

DragonEater70

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

Aureal

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (2):

Random Nurse,

usesPython

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-19 23:45:00)

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- Replacing Random Nurse

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (9, E-1):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy, Rautherdir,

Cat Scratch Fever

KatyKimFanClub's proposal, formerly Rautherdir,

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(2):

KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

VC 1.27

WhemeStar

(9, E-1):

Aureal

,

Ranger

, sheepsaysmeep,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Cat Scratch Fever

, KatyKimFanClub,

WhemeStar

, Abnegation

camelCasedSnivy (2):

Titus

, Save The Dragons

Aureal

(2):

Doctor Drew

, camelCasedSnivy

Cat Scratch Fever

(2):

Morning Tweet

Ranger

(1):

Kyoko Kirigiri

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Flea The Magician

Rauthedir (1):

DragonEater70

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Random Nurse (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (2):

Random Nurse, Rautherdir

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-19 23:45:00)

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- DragonEater70 is V/LA every Tuesday.
- Replacing Random Nurse

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (9, E-1):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy, Rautherdir,

Cat Scratch Fever

KatyKimFanClub's proposal, formerly Rautherdir,

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(2):

KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

VC 1.Final

WhemeStar

(10, ===[]):

Aureal

,

Ranger

, sheepsaysmeep,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Cat Scratch Fever

, KatyKimFanClub,

WhemeStar

, Abnegation, Ircher

Aureal

(3):

Doctor Drew

, camelCasedSnivy, Save The Dragons

camelCasedSnivy (1):

Titus

Cat Scratch Fever

(1):

Morning Tweet

Ranger

(1):

Kyoko Kirigiri

KatyKimFanClub (1):

Flea The Magician

Rauthedir (1):

DragonEater70

Abnegation (0):

DragonEater70 (0):

Kyoko Kirigiri

(0):

Doctor Drew

(0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Ircher (0):

usesPython

(0):

Save the Dragons (0):

Radical Rat

(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Titus

(0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Not Voting (1):

Rautherdir

With

19

known votes, it took

10

of them to eliminate

WhemeStar

.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-07-19 23:45:00)

Moderator Notes:

-

Ranger

is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
-

Kyoko Kirigiri

is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- DragonEater70 is V/LA every Tuesday.

Nightmare

Ranger

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep,

Ranger

,

Titus

] (9, ===[]):

Ranger

,

Radical Rat

, Save The Dragons,

usesPython

, sheepsaysmeep, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy, Rautherdir,

Cat Scratch Fever

KatyKimFanClub's proposal, formerly Rautherdir,

usesPython

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Ranger

,

usesPython

, Abnegation, KatyKimFanclub, Rautherdir,

Radical Rat

, sheepsaysmeep, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy,

Titus

(2):

KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet

Kyoko Kirigiri

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons,

Radical Rat

] (2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

,

Aureal

Random Nurse's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, anger,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

,

Titus

, camelCasedSnivy, KatyKimFanClub] (1):

Random Nurse

DragonEater70's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

, DragonEater70,

usesPython

, Abnegation,

Aureal

,

Titus

] (1):

DragonEater70

Merlyn

's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

Radical Rat

,

usesPython

, Rautherdir,

Aureal

, Abnegation,

Merlyn

] (1):

Merlyn

Morning Tweet's proposal: [

Doctor Drew

,

usesPython

,

Ranger

,

Titus

, Abnegation,

Aureal

, Rautherdir] (1):

Morning Tweet

With

19

known votes, it takes

10

of them to achieve a majority.
Unfortunately, it took only

9

votes to confirm

Ranger

's proposal, due to plurality rules.

Doctor Drew

is confirmed.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Spoiler: Votes I'm Mentioning For Some Reason (EMPTY)

Empty

I think Titus's jump on Snivy with a sheep of a decent case when both the Snivy and Wheme wagons were picking up steam in

I think CSF's wall case arguing that ccs has static reads is supported by the SR on bianco or whoever replaced them. That slot would always be sred. That's not usually a town thought process.

VOTE: ccs

makes Snivy looks better

[usesPython]

VOTE: StD

[usesPython]

Alright, we've talked things over, and have agreed to a massclaim today.

Is anyone out here opposed?

We're fine with this

[usesPython]

Also anyone wanna claim putting Drew in the Nightmare?

[usesPython]

3-shot Day Motivator

N1: Drew
N2: Snivy

We also got an invention last night

[usesPython]

3-shot Day Motivator

N1: Drew
N2: Snivy

We also got an invention last night

That should be d1/d2 not n1/n2

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: StD

[usesPython]

i softed my role (albeit pretty badly) day 1 because crumbing is too obvious

Mind pointing out those softs if you're bringing it up now?

[usesPython]

Oh are we not supposed to say flavor names? I'm so sorry.

Well if you don't get modkilled it's fine

[usesPython]

Well, you already mostly know mine.

I lied about being a Miller though, in part to avoid investigations being wasted on me when I could be externally confirmed, in part to lower my nightkill priority, and in part just because it was funny.

Not much point in maintaining that lie anymore.

Abnegation's not your Mason partner right?

[usesPython]

HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save the Dragons

[usesPython]

there's more but this should be enough evidence for now.

Spoiler:

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

hi, i am scum mason.

VOTE: aureal

That definitely sounds like a role which exists and makes total sense and there is nothing strange here at all. Story checks out.

scum: bianco (or whoever they were being replaced by), aureal, rauth, snivy!!!

Awww, how can you rat us out like this, partner?

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

My main stipulation is Not Ranger, and not Rauth. I'd also still prefer we boot out Drew, but no one else really seems to care so I'm probably not getting my way on that one

Yeah, pretty much this exactly. It's kinda scary how much Rat has been on the same page as me this game.

what if...WhAt If YoU tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

Hmm, time to play the who on my wagon is scum game I see

At this point (Aureal, Abnegation, usesPython, Radical Rat) seems pretty likely to contain zero scum. I suggest you put effort into looking elsewhere.

why do you have to post the exact thing i was going to post?

Because WhAt If wE tWo ArE sCuMpArTnErS!?!?!?

Yeah we saw the first one which is why we took RR at face value when they said you're town

[usesPython]

Do we think Snivy and StD are scum together? Cause if not that clears StD I think

[usesPython]

Does Traitor show up as town under investigations?

Normal Traitor is Mafia-aligned so probably not

[usesPython]

@mod what would an Alignment Cop investigation return on a Mafia Godfather?

[usesPython]

I read the past couple pages and everyones role is so much stronger and more interesting than mine bruh

Can you claim?

[usesPython]

1. usesPython:
   3-shot Day Motivator
   D1: Doctor Drew
   D2: camelCasedSnivy
   
2. camelCasedSnivy:
   3-shot Alignment Cop
   N1: No action
   N2: Checked Aureal [Town] and Save The Dragons [Town] (Motivated by usesPython)
   
3. Morning Tweet:
   Medium (Unique role)
   
4. Radical Rat:
   Mason 1-shot Vigilante
   N1: Shot Cat Scratch Fever
   
5. Abnegation:
   Mason
   
6. KatyKimFanClub:
   Neighborizing Marshall
   
7. Save The Dragons:
   Unspecified investigative role
   N1: Checked Aureal [Town]
   
8. Ranger:
   Doctor Activated Innocent Child
   N1: Healed usesPython (did not go through)
   N2: Healed Radical Rat

Missing claims from sheep, Ircher, DragonEater, Flea, Rauth

[usesPython]

also has anyone been roleblocked?

Ranger was since otherwise Drew wouldn't have done his thing with Titus since Elite Bodyguard only goes off if the target would otherwise die

[usesPython]

We forgor

[usesPython]

Python, do you know if your motivation gives extra shots to limited shot roles? Like... does Snivy actually have two more shots instead of just one?

No it just lets them either take two different actions in the same night or the same action twice in the same night (other than the built in multitasking). It also doesn't let them do the factional action twice

[usesPython]

This is also how we know Drew was on two different people n1

[usesPython]

What are the chances there's no Roleblocker and Drew shot Titus who was shooting someone other than us lol

[usesPython]

We know that all information in role PMs are guaranteed to be accurate, so I can confidently say that I am not like some unintentional cult, which I was actually super paranoid about for a while.

That being said, the fact we had two town Traffic Analysts w/ Neighborizer + a trio of Masons makes me confident we are dealing with a cult, unless my role is supposed to be bad for town?

Can we get a list of people you've targeted so far? The Neighborhood isn't that important since we can't guarantee the alignment of the people in it

[usesPython]

Titus wasn't multitasking though and she was sent for factional kill so she couldn't have used it right?

Inherent multitasking

[usesPython]

Scum, by default, are multitasking and can perform the factional action and a personal ability in the same night.

[usesPython]

Oh damn I have 150 posts to catch up on I think?

We did a massclaim, can you claim?

[usesPython]

1. usesPython:
   3-shot Day Motivator
   D1: Doctor Drew
   D2: camelCasedSnivy
   
2. camelCasedSnivy:
   3-shot Alignment Cop
   N1: No action
   N2: Checked Aureal [Town] and Save The Dragons [Town] (Motivated by usesPython)
   
3. Morning Tweet:
   Medium (Unique role)
   
4. Radical Rat:
   Mason 1-shot Vigilante
   N1: Shot Cat Scratch Fever
   
5. Abnegation:
   Mason 1-shot Rolecop
   N1: Targeted Ircher (Got the results for Radical Rat's role)
   
6. KatyKimFanClub:
   Neighborizing Marshall (basically Neighborizing Alien)
   N1: sheepsaysmeep
   N2: sheepsaysmeep
   
7. Save The Dragons:
   Unspecified investigative role
   N1: Checked Aureal [Town]
   
8. Ranger:
   Doctor Activated Innocent Child
   N1: Healed usesPython (did not go through?)
   N2: Healed Radical Rat
   
9. sheepsaysmeep:
   Messenger
   
10. DragonEater70:
    Mason Detective
    N1: Kirigiri didn't kill

Missing claims from Ircher, Flea, Rauth

[usesPython]

Can we get KKFC to commit to targeting a specific Mason so we can plan night actions better? Preferably Abnegation/Radical Rat who don't have usable night actions anymore

[usesPython]

Can we get KKFC to commit to targeting a specific Mason so we can plan night actions better? Preferably Abnegation/Radical Rat who don't have usable night actions anymore

Sure.

Which one are you on?

[usesPython]

What if Abnegation was in Kirigiri's proposal cause she thought Abne was Traitor

[usesPython]

Agreed, but I normally find myself completely out of motivation to play when there's like 20+ pages to catch up on.

*Nervously looks at our 3 page ISO*

[usesPython]

I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?

[usesPython]

I'll neighborize Radical Rat tonight unless something serious changes in the remaining claims or something mechanical comes up.

I don't think you should say which one you are neighborizing. This way you also throw in a WIFOM element to the nightkill, I think? We want all of us alive for as long as possible. And hopefully Ranger protects me so I get an investigation in.

We kinda either need to add KKFC to tonights Nightmare or have them commit to one cause otherwise Ranger might go on the same person and that's pretty suboptimal

[usesPython]

If we want to add a WIFOM element then it's pretty simple. We can motivate one of KKFC/Ranger and just tell who they should be on if they don't get motivated

[usesPython]

I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?

Jesus Christ Abnegation reads hella Traitor with her d1 posting

[usesPython]

Did you not get added to the hood? Why did KKFC target you n1 and n2? But the roleblock did go through both times

KKFC is Neighborizer Alien, the n2 target was to keep sheep alive

[usesPython]

Alright, we've talked things over, and have agreed to a massclaim today.

Is anyone out here opposed?

Well, you have my day action claim already (the IC).
Let me know if you want me to pop it.

For the missing part, the night action is a doctor protect. N1, I protected usesPython, but per the mod, that means I was certainly roleblocked. (Drew wouldn’t have died protecting usesPython if my protection succeeded.)

N2, I protected you.

One of my modifiers is anonymously playing a game against an anonymous opponent. Whoever wins gets a boon to their role. Mine is upgrading my doctor, to make it not fail. (I lost N1.)

Can paraphrase later, bit busy rn.

Would us motivating you so that you can use the protect twice in one night be useful or no?

[usesPython]

Ok after further research most Marshall's on this site have been the SC2 Mafia version where they're an IC that allows multiple lims to happen per day after they reveal, which makes me think the Alien part of KKFC's claim could be bullshit and sheep/his CL culted KKFC n1/n2. KKFC probably was originally Neighborizer Marshall though which is why he crumbed it

[usesPython]

I don't care enough about Cult rn to do much about KKFC though, I'd rather wipe Mafia first so that we stop the nightkills

[usesPython]

I almost would rather DragonEater gets Alien'd just so we can confirm it's real with a No Result

[usesPython]

For my sanity

1. usesPython:
   3-shot Day Motivator
   D1: Doctor Drew
   D2: camelCasedSnivy
   
2. camelCasedSnivy:
   3-shot Alignment Cop
   N1: No action
   N2: Checked Aureal [Town] and Save The Dragons [Town] (Motivated by usesPython)
   
3. Morning Tweet:
   Medium (Unique role)
   
4. Radical Rat:
   Mason 1-shot Vigilante
   N1: Shot Cat Scratch Fever
   
5. Abnegation:
   Mason 1-shot Rolecop
   N1: Targeted Ircher (Got the results for Radical Rat's role)
   
6. KatyKimFanClub:
   Neighborizing Marshall (basically Neighborizing Alien)
   N1: sheepsaysmeep
   N2: sheepsaysmeep
   
7. Save The Dragons:
   Unspecified investigative role
   N1: Checked Aureal [Town]
   N2: Targeted no one
   
8. Ranger:
   Doctor Activated Innocent Child
   N1: Healed usesPython (did not go through?)
   N2: Healed Radical Rat
   
9. sheepsaysmeep:
   Messenger
   
10. DragonEater70:
    Mason Detective
    N1: Kirigiri didn't kill
    N2: Targeted no one
    
11. Ircher:
    3-shot Alarmist
    N1: Morning Tweet
    N2: Radical Rat
    
12. Flea The Magician:
    Inventor
    N1: Gave invention to Save The Dragons
    N2: Gave invention to usesPython
    
13. Rautherdir:
    JOAT (Vigilante, Tracker, Absorber, Bus Driver)
    N1: Nothing
    N2: Absorber (Gained Vigilante from Radical Rat)

[usesPython]

Like if scum suspected something with RR or Abneg or whatever and wished to interfere with them, why are they killing Aureal? I kill the people I can and interfere with people im not sure i can get rid of but like , im gonna come back to finish them or do something right? It kind of seems like scum must've been guessing shooting Aureal which in my mind doesnt jive with using redirection on the first night

(Shattered if scum has unlimited redirection i guess)

Too speculative?

..

RIP Cat Scratch taken awqay too soon (Even though I was voting you 90% of d1)

VOTE: Ircher

I think Ircher having an unclaimed Deflector component makes sense with Abnegations n1 results, but it does raise the question of why target the miller claim?

[usesPython]

unless he didn't read enough to see the Miller claim and just saw RR being at the top of everyones reads lists and in everyones nightmare proposal

[usesPython]

The wording on my role ability is different than what I am reading on the Wiki or other games on this site for Alien, Roleblocker, and Rolestopper. I am going to look for more clarification.

any update on this?

[usesPython]

unless he didn't read enough to see the Miller claim and just saw RR being at the top of everyones reads lists and in everyones nightmare proposal

Ircher our CL fr fr on god?

[usesPython]

HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician

It'd be pretty weird for Flea to not be town here so unless fae got converted n2 fae's probably town

[usesPython]

could we ask if someone can EITHER redirect, force someone in the nightmare, or can publish a mod message?

It's explicitly said that we can ask more than Yes or No questions, as long as there's no alignment information so like.

"What are all of the non-factional abilities this player can use?" ought to be just as good, if not better than a rolecop

wouldn't things like vigilante make it alignment indicative though, even if a person doesn't claim that aspect?

Can Being X do any of the following actions:

1. Forcibly put Doctor Drew in the Nightmare D1
   
2. Redirect Abnegations N1 action to target Radical Rat
   
3. Perform an action that causes the following message to be posted publicly at the start of D2:

   Last night, I had a dream that Radical Rat had a role that gave them access to a PT!

[usesPython]

HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician

It'd be pretty weird for Flea to not be town here so unless fae got converted n2 fae's probably town

why put 6

Co-ordinating night actions

[usesPython]

could we ask if someone can EITHER redirect, force someone in the nightmare, or can publish a mod message?

It's explicitly said that we can ask more than Yes or No questions, as long as there's no alignment information so like.

"What are all of the non-factional abilities this player can use?" ought to be just as good, if not better than a rolecop

wouldn't things like vigilante make it alignment indicative though, even if a person doesn't claim that aspect?

Mafia Vigilante can theoretically exist. Broken as hell, but there's nothing INHERENTLY Town about killing people.

It's an alignment indicative question because roles that can only be town like Miller exist

[usesPython]

Well not in this game but like in general it exists

[usesPython]

HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Flea The Magician

It'd be pretty weird for Flea to not be town here so unless fae got converted n2 fae's probably town

We forgot about DragonEater

HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save The Dragons, DragonEater70, Flea The Magician

[usesPython]

POE's the following:

1. Rautherdir
   
2. Ircher
   
3. sheepsaysmeep
   
4. KatyKimFanClub
   
5. Morning Tweet
   
6. camelCasedSnivy

Scum alive are probably:

• 2 Mafia
  
• Mafia Traitor
  
• Cult Leader
  
• 0-2 Cultists

Ircher's probably the safest shot here I think

[usesPython]

could probably drop sheep out of the POE for now since KKFC was on him both nights

[usesPython]

An Alien's night action targets a player, attempting to prevent any night action made by that player, and any night action (other than the Alien's) targeting that player. (Factional kills are night actions, and are blocked the same way that any other night action would be.)

so KKFC's claim is a renamed Alien

[usesPython]

HURT: Python

i wanna hear rauth claim first though

Right then. I'm a JOAT. I started out with four abilities: Vigilante, Tracker, Absorber, and Bus Driver.
Absorber lets me gain a one-shot variant of another person's active abilities as long as they are not unique, I used this on Radical Rat on night 2 and got another 1-shot Vigilante from them. (I perhaps should have saved this ability for a more useful target, but two kills sounded decent enough)
I did not use any of my abilities night one, which I did soft (Stating that I had to catch up on the previous day's flip as well on day 2.)

I am... interested in whether the redirection makes more sense as a redirector of Abengation onto Radical Rat, or if it was instead a deflector from Ircher onto Radical Rat though... I doubt there'd be another Bus Driver ability in the game.

[usesPython]

We can do Rauth too tbh, I'm content to let multiball scum eat each other alive rn

-A

[usesPython]

I am not sorry about sending the night start PM three times by accident somehow. If you fail to submit any actions, that's not my fault anymore. LOL

(Ok but sorry for doing it, I have no idea what caused it.)

Guys I think Korina's trying to tell us something

[usesPython]

Inquiry goated perhaps?

What does goated mean?
/genq

(I can't believe I am using a tone indicator)

goat = greatest of all time

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ircher
I believe this power to be scum (if beneficial to town, it is immensely more useful in a non-cult scum's hands to keep key town players from getting culted without overlapping on scum already immune to culting)

Why do you think Ircher's Mafia Alarmist? If anything if he's scum he's probably fake claiming here

[usesPython]

I also have a theory about this game after KKFC's claim.... I'm not sure we actually have a cult. Well, either that, or we found the recruiter already.

No Cult in a game with 2 Town Traffic Analysts and a scum Publishing Traffic Analyst and an Alarmist claim?

[usesPython]

VOTE: Ircher
I believe this power to be scum (if beneficial to town, it is immensely more useful in a non-cult scum's hands to keep key town players from getting culted without overlapping on scum already immune to culting)

This makes me think that if Rauth is scum he's trueclaiming here, and like JOAT (Vig, Tracker, Absorber, Bus Driver) is probably scum in that case

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Ircher

Kinda wanna flip Rauth here tbh

[usesPython]

Mafia Alarmist makes literally no sense when groupscum are ALREADY immune. So even if they have one, they won't use it on themselves, and if they use it on Town that's... good for us, regardless of who's doing it?

It's a way for scum to keep cult from snowballing. I'm actually more leaning that there is no cult though at this point. I would also be fine with flipping KKFC so that we can tell though.

like aren't you supposed to be a mech enjoyer or something? wtf is this

[usesPython]

if its a mentor like last game then I think its possible

Can you elaborate on this? What exactly was the cult role last game? I thought it was gated.

Spoiler: Morning Tweet

Liminal Space Designer

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, Morning Tweet! You are a

Liminal Space Designer (Bulletproof Neighborizer and 2-Shot Mentor)

, and aligned with

The Liminal Space.

I had a dream once that someone was able to design a room between reality. They asked me to join them, and told me one way or another I'd join them. Everyone would join them, or else they'd perish. I still think about that man hidden between the folds of reality. I wonder if he's still waiting for me to give him my answer.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

Bulletproof

: If you are attacked at night, you will automatically survive the attempt.
~

Neighborizer

: Each night, you may target another player and attempt to add them to

The Backrooms

, a neighborhood.
~

Mentor

: If you do not currently have a Mentee, twice per game, you may attempt to recruit someone to the Liminal Space faction. They will retain all current abilities. This ability will fail on groupscum with living partners. Attached below is a sample Mentee PM.

Your factional abilities are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to the Liminal Space PT, which is located here.
~

Conditional Kill

: If you have a living Mentee, you or your Mentee may preform the factional kill at night.

You win if

all players not aligned with you are dead; if all living players are in The Backrooms PT; or if either situation is impossible to prevent.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me OR by posting in your PT.

Spoiler: Sample Mentee

Sample Mentee

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome CoMod! You are now a

Liminal Space Mentee (One-Way Lover)

, and aligned with

The Liminal Space.

That person sitting between the rooms finally came back to me. He asked for my option, and held a gun to my head. I had to make the decision for myself, and I accepted his offer. When I woke up, I found myself in my room, but something felt different.

Your personal abilities remain the same as they once were, including the new ability:
~

Default

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

One Way Lover

: If Korina dies for any reason, you will automatically follow suit; however, Korina will not die if you die.

Your factional abilities are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to the Liminal Space PT, which is located here.
~

Scumbuddy Identity

: You know that Korina is a Liminal Space Designer (Bulletproof Neighborizor and 2-Shot Mentor).
~

Conditional Kill

: While you are alive, you have access to a factional kill, and you or Korina may preform it at night.

You win if

all players not aligned with you are dead; if all living players are in The Backrooms PT; or if either situation is impossible to prevent.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me OR by posting in your PT.

[usesPython]

... thinking about it KKFC is probably the better choice to flip here then Ircher. I don't see how KKFC's claimed role can exist at the same time as cult without near-invalidating the amount of TA power we've seen.

We had 4 masons and 4 scum, this is kind of a really bad take tbh

[usesPython]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

No that's wrong, the cult PT was the Liminal Space PT, The Backrooms was a separate neighborhood

[usesPython]

We don't think KKFC is Cult Leader or Mafia, he's a bad flip rn imo

[usesPython]

With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.

You're forgetting that it forces people to claim they're in a PT and also that a no PT result is basically the greenest check you can get this game

[usesPython]

Was there an alarmist in game 1

No but I did find something interesting:

Spoiler: Flea The Magician

Voidfiend Bloodhound

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, Flea The Magician! You are a

Voidfiend Bloodhound (1-Shot Masonry Bloodhound)

, and aligned with

The Good Dreams.

I had a dream once that there were two guardians of some old fortress leading to hell. They were linked together in some intrinsic manner. I couldn't tell you how, but they both had some secret ability to them.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

1-Shot Bloodhound

: Once per game, you may target someone to learn if they are "Town" or "Not Town".

Your Masonry details are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to The Fortress Sanctuary, which is located here.
~

Mason Partner

: You know

Voidfiend1

is also a member of

The Good Dreams

. You also know that Voidfiend1 is a 2-Shot Doctor.

You win if

all threats to

The Good Dreams

are dead, and at least one member of your faction is still alive.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me, OR by posting in the Fortress Sanctuary.

Different name for an already existing role

[usesPython]

Especially because the Backrooms is like *the* example of a liminal space?

It was also literally the name of the cult pt in the previous game.

No that's wrong, the cult PT was the Liminal Space PT, The Backrooms was a separate neighborhood

Uh, cult win con from previous game is:

You win if all players not aligned with you are dead; if all living players are in The Backrooms PT; or if either situation is impossible to prevent.

Or is that mod error there mentioning the wrong pt...

~ Neighborizer: Each night, you may target another player and attempt to add them to The Backrooms, a neighborhood.
~ Mentor: If you do not currently have a Mentee, twice per game, you may attempt to recruit someone to the Liminal Space faction. They will retain all current abilities. This ability will fail on groupscum with living partners. Attached below is a sample Mentee PM.

[usesPython]

Was there an alarmist in game 1

No but I did find something interesting:

Spoiler: Flea The Magician

Voidfiend Bloodhound

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, Flea The Magician! You are a

Voidfiend Bloodhound (1-Shot Masonry Bloodhound)

, and aligned with

The Good Dreams.

I had a dream once that there were two guardians of some old fortress leading to hell. They were linked together in some intrinsic manner. I couldn't tell you how, but they both had some secret ability to them.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

1-Shot Bloodhound

: Once per game, you may target someone to learn if they are "Town" or "Not Town".

Your Masonry details are as follows:
~

Private Communication

: You have access to The Fortress Sanctuary, which is located here.
~

Mason Partner

: You know

Voidfiend1

is also a member of

The Good Dreams

. You also know that Voidfiend1 is a 2-Shot Doctor.

You win if

all threats to

The Good Dreams

are dead, and at least one member of your faction is still alive.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me, OR by posting in the Fortress Sanctuary.

Different name for an already existing role

I think KKFC is probably fine to keep alive

[usesPython]

I've heard of bloodhound before though

Yeah it's from Greater Idea Mafia but that's still an example of a non-standard name for an existing role (Bloodhound = Cop, Marshall = Alien)

[usesPython]

Can we get a vote count before someone accidentally hammers Ircher?

[usesPython]

Bloodhound and cop are different

Town vs not town should mean cult and godfathers caught too, no?

No it's identical to Cop because Cop also gives results as "Town" or "Not Town"

[usesPython]

You sure?

The standard, Normal, variation of a Cop can investigate one player each Night; the target is not informed of the investigation. This Cop variant will return results of the form "Town" or "Not Town" (regardless of whether it is named "Cop" or "Seer"; both names are acceptable in a Normal)

[usesPython]

interference from a deceptive role is the only way in which the standard variant of a Cop can produce incorrect or misleading results.

[usesPython]

Well, technically not OP, but one of the setup posts. I'm on mobile and cannot quote the specific section, but the Nightmare awards specify that Cop returns Horrible Dreams or Not Horrible Dreams, which is the Mafia flavor

Sure but we're talking about the last game which had a Normal Cop that was called a Bloodhound and using that to conclude that it's possible KKFC is a Normal Alien that's called a Marshall

[usesPython]

The Nightmare Cop invention is explicitly non-normal btw since it would need to return "Good Dream"/"Not Good Dream" results to be normal

[usesPython]

Except that in Multiball with non-Mafia/Werewolf factions, Cop/Bloodhound is a meaningful distinction to make.

If we're talking Normal Cop then there is no distinction: Normal Cop returns Town/Not Town, Bloodhound returns Town/Not Town. They're completely identical

[usesPython]

With the claims and flips we've seen so far, and assuming 4 group+a recruitable traitor scum, night 2 there is a potential for 5 scum in pt, four masons, plus three or four people from KKFC's role (which admittedly can overlap with the previous groups) for a potential total of 10-13 players in PTs, with up to 17 total people alive if no night kills. Add a cult on top of that and you easily get potentially every living player in a PT on night two, which invalidates TAs completely. And I'm not even factoring in the Nightmare.

You're forgetting that it forces people to claim they're in a PT and also that a no PT result is basically the greenest check you can get this game

It's also a difference of potentially 3-7 players that can give that result night two without a cult or about 0-3 players with a negative TA result with a cult. Out of ~15 targets.

You're forgetting that ~5 people N1 literally have to treat a TA check as either a guilty or a way to fake messenger since unlike Mason/Neighbors they can't just claim to be in a PT without instantly dying

[usesPython]

Normal games also usually aren't multiball I'm pretty sure, which makes mafia or ww/not mafia or ww results and town/not town results identical in effect. (Except for SK games)

Doesn't matter, Normal Cop has rules to handle multiball anyways

This Cop variant will return results of the form "Town" or "Not Town" (regardless of whether it is named "Cop" or "Seer"; both names are acceptable in a Normal); it cannot distinguish between players who belong to different anti-town and third-party factions.

[usesPython]

I dont really think Katy is a cultist.. he's just the person I'd be least surprised to learn practices those kind of rituals

Rauth's role does sound like one that scum would have, I agree with Ircher on that. Why Rauth would trueclaim it, I'm unsure. Maybe the threat of rolecopping?

I mean with Rauth suggesting Mafia Alarmist as a serious role he might literally just not get why his role is scummy

[usesPython]

It'd be highly unusual for mafia to lose members through culting. Cause then the cult knows the entire mafia team from one action and its just generally fucked

If there is a cult present, or cult-like mechanics, they cannot recruit groupscum with living partners.

[usesPython]

Feels like it'd probably be a good idea for people to re-read the setup at this point

[usesPython]

Also

This game is a role madness. There are no vanilla roles, nor any functionally vanilla roles.

If Ircher is real we have Cult

[usesPython]

Then the chess game. If I win, my doctor cannot fail under any circumstances. I don't know who I'm playing against.

should have pulled up stockfish if there's nothing in your PM against using a chess engine

[usesPython]

I can see Ircher fake claiming here, I can also see Rauth trueclaiming as scum here.

[usesPython]

The Unique modifier, where my role can't reappear no matter what.

What does this mean?

[usesPython]

i agree alarmist could be fake, but even then, it's very likely there's still cult and i'm worried about them becoming a problem.
not sure how much i can elaborate, but for now i will just say i think katy's claim is really weird and likely to be cult or at least anti-town.

Yeah but then that would mean we were wrong on reading KKFC as town grumble grumble

[usesPython]

I think given that last game there was a 2-shot Nightmare Decider and that no one claimed it here and only Drew was dropped in that it's probably part of a JOAT

[quote=KatyKimFanClub post_id=13850712 post_num=2933 time=<a href="tel:1690312027" style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">1690312027</a> user_id=37113]Ranger didn't mentioned strongwilled jailkeep though, and since it's announcing I think she would know?

I've no information on why my action would've failed.
[/quote]

It's possible it succeeded and Titus targeted someone else since Drew was motivated

[usesPython]

yeah but that was day 2 i used 2/3 shots night 2 because of motivation

that's why I investigated them

Yeah she's saying you have a trajectory that makes your claimed night actions make sense

[usesPython]

Btw who was Aureal on n1/n2?

[usesPython]

Are we doing a 5p or a 7p nightmare? We can realistically use Inquiry as a cop check at this point given that we have three separate unclaimed actions to check for

5p can be completely pure with Ranger, Python, Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70

7p we'd need to add two more people (Probably Flea and STD?)

If Titus was in the nightmare, why did she attack Python ?

Doctor Drew, Radical Rat, usesPython, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep, Ranger, Titus (n1 nightmare)


I was going to assume all town from scum not being aware Python was being protected. Which i still kinda do but Titus being in there is a bit odd

What is the certainty that Drew targetted Python? 99%, 90%?

Drew softed it pretty heavily with something along the lines of "I got you" when we were complaining that we'd probably get shot n1

[usesPython]

And that was after we claimed the Day Motivator action to him so we were basically conftown for him at that point

[usesPython]

And that was after we claimed the Day Motivator action to him so we were basically conftown for him at that point

Wait that came out wrong, he asked if anyone else got any feedback and we told him you're welcome

[usesPython]

We should get the nightmare sorted out before we hammer btw

[usesPython]

If we're doing 7p we'd prefer Flea be in there, I don't see a world where fae wasn't town at the start of N2

[usesPython]

If we're doing 7p we'd prefer Flea be in there, I don't see a world where fae wasn't town at the start of N2

I prefer not Flea, as I've not the same confidence in fae.

Fae've given inventions which presumably are +town.

I don't trust fae to be town from it.

We can clarify in the nightmare why those inventions only ever come from town

[usesPython]

How does it give a clear?

You'll find out D4

[usesPython]

Also how is sheep *confirmed* to have not acted?

If KKFC is not scum with sheep then it's confirmed

[usesPython]

KKFC + sheep is a package deal, we either add both or we add neither

[usesPython]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

[usesPython]

HURT: Ranger, usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, DragonEater70, KatyKimFanClub, sheepsaysmeep

[usesPython]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

How is it a slip? I was not in it; therefore, I do not know what the result was.

Mason Crew + Hood Crew either sees what we see or they don't, no need to get worked up about it

[usesPython]

What was the N2 nightmare ability anyway? I don't think anyone mentioned it today.

Does this look like a slip to anyone else?

How is it a slip? I was not in it; therefore, I do not know what the result was.

Mason Crew + Hood Crew either sees what we see or they don't, no need to get worked up about it

I'm fairly certain I see it.

Hmm on second thought I can see a way for it to not be a slip, still a really bad post tho

[usesPython]

HURT: Morning Tweet, Ircher, Save the Dragons, sheepsaysmeep, Flea The Magician

0 masons in the nightmare yeah ok buddy. Don't hammer Ircher before we get the bightmare sorted

[usesPython]

Hey Ranger are you allowed to ask for help in the chess match?

[usesPython]

Ranger should probably be the one motivated btw, double protection is really good, and since she has the potential to become unblockable, is probably the best one to receive it.

In case you weren't already

We're motivating either Ranger or KKFC, you'll find out which in the Nightmare

[usesPython]

I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.

Scum on scum action, love to see it folks

[usesPython]

I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.

You wanna be more specific about where the lie is?

[usesPython]

I think it'd be really funny to keep Rauth alive until the end of the game if Ircher doesn't go into more detail about which actions on what nights

[usesPython]

There's no redirector.

How do you explain Abnegations N1 then?

[usesPython]

ranger what chess elo are you

I peaked at 500, when I played regularly.

What can you tell us about the chess games this match? List of moves/Name of opening/How much did your opponent blunder/Did they ever En Passant/Castle?

[usesPython]

the chess games this

match

game?

[usesPython]

Also since no one has claimed to be Rangers opponent it's possible she's fighting scum. Can we ask the people with a chess elo higher than 500 to play a game with us?

Spoiler:

1. e4

[usesPython]

I hate chess and i refuse.

This is also good info

[usesPython]

when i played rapid i peaked 700 but that was half a year ago man it lost popularity and i moved on

We peaked at ~1300 on Lichess in 15 | 10 time control so depending on how close Rangers game was someone having a close match with us or better would probably clear them of being the chess player since it's unlikely the chess player was sandbagging

[usesPython]

i mean people could be lying about how good they are at chess

Yeah but like if Ranger peaked at 500 and the games are close then anyone who can give us a close game would also be able to stomp Ranger

[usesPython]

when i played rapid i peaked 700 but that was half a year ago man it lost popularity and i moved on

We peaked at ~1300 on Lichess in 15 | 10 time control so depending on how close Rangers game was someone having a close match with us or better would probably clear them of being the chess player since it's unlikely the chess player was sandbagging

Oh turns out I was misremembering this. That's our Blitz rating, our Rapid was around ~1700 on Lichess

Spoiler: Snivy chess game

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5 dxe5 7. Qxd8+

Snivy's in the 700-1000 Lichess ELO range if we had to put a number on it right now. He makes moves that look solid but doesn't calculate further and doesn't seem to have much knowledge of openings

[usesPython]

Actually your move is forced so

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5 dxe5 7. Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5

[usesPython]

Snivy's in the 700-1000 Lichess ELO range if we had to put a number on it right now. He makes moves that look solid but doesn't calculate further and doesn't seem to have much knowledge of openings

We can see him stomping Ranger if she peaked at 500 ELO tbh

[usesPython]

Spoiler: Python vs Snivy

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 d6 5. dxe5 Nxe5 6. Nxe5 dxe5 7. Qxd8+ Kxd8 8.Bg5 h6 9. Bxf6+

I think you're clear ELO wise unless you want to keep playing to let Ranger see your chess playstyle

[usesPython]

oh idk about lichess i was 700 in rapid on chess.com

Lichess ratings are around ~100-300 higher compared to chess.com so sounds about right

[usesPython]

Chess hunting

inb4 Ranger is playing against Korina/Dead people

[usesPython]

UNVOTE: Ircher

Kinda wanna flip Rauth here tbh

Kinda agree tbh

However I also wanna flip KKFC because a thought occured to me that if they ARE cult or even part of the cult, they can cult the masons and the "check" wouldn't do a thing.

@mod if a mason had their alignment changed would their mason partners be informed about the alignment change?

[usesPython]

Sure but we're talking about the last game which had a Normal Cop that was called a Bloodhound and using that to conclude that it's possible KKFC is a Normal Alien that's called a Marshall

No, the cop was this:

Spoiler: TemporalLich

Biblically Accurate Angel

Strange Dreams Mafia

Welcome, TemporalLich! You are a

Biblically Accurate Angel (Town JOAT)

, and aligned with

The Good Dreams.

I had a dream once that BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID BE NOT AFRAID.

Your personal abilities are as follows:
~

Defaults

: You have your voice, and your vote. You may use both of these to try to kill whoever you think is not aligned with you.
~

JOAT

: You have access to several 1-Shot abilities, which are listed below.
~

1-Shot Doctor

: Once per game, you may target someone to protect them against one kill that night.
~

1-Shot Cop

: Once per game, you may target someone to learn if they are a "Horrible Dream" or "Not a Horrible Dream".
~

1-Shot PGO

: Once per game, you may kill all players who target you tonight.
~

1-Shot Roleblocker

: Once per game, you may prevent another player from taking any actions tonight.

You win if

all threats to

The Good Dreams

are dead, and at least one member of your faction is still alive.

Please confirm you have read this PM by submitting your flavor back to me.

Bloodhound was different.

In any case I don't see how all this matters, can't a cult leader also be an alien?

Huh interesting, didn't see that. Our point was more about the non-standard name for Alien being possible

[usesPython]

Oh was that a hammer on ircher a long time ago? Oopsie.

E-1, not hammer

[usesPython]

Also since no one has claimed to be Rangers opponent it's possible she's fighting scum. Can we ask the people with a chess elo higher than 500 to play a game with us?

Spoiler:

1. e4

Gladly, but I have no clue how to play chess on this site.

We're assuming that conftown would admit to playing chess this game so no need

[usesPython]

I hate chess and i refuse.

Someone tried bugging me to play them at the FLGS and she got the hairdryer treatment... *Grumbles about personal space and no is a complete sentance.*

Ircher you're implying a lot of information on your flip, wouldnt it be easier to just reveal your information in this case? Especially given everyone ignores legacies

Perhaps but also perhaps not. Maybe you should think about what I'm implying and the implications.

Speak plainly or die please

[usesPython]

I'm only going to speak plainly if you agree to eliminate Rautherdir before me. That seems unlikely though so...,

If there's a good reason to go for Rauth we can go there, right now with you being secretive after claiming a role that would have no mechanical way of telling Rauth lied about his night actions there's a good reason to lim you and no good reason to lim Rauth

[usesPython]

Like if you're town here you not getting mislimmed is the most important thing you can do rn

[usesPython]

WIFOM, yes, but not anti-spew.

You have until the nightmare gets sorted out to either say why you think Rauth's lying about night actions or get hammered

[usesPython]

We've been in WIFOM/anti-spew territory for Ircher like two IRL days now.

Can you unvote for a second so we can point something out?

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

Thanks.

Why didn't Ircher hammer himself when he was at E-1?

[usesPython]

would korina add a jester?

Had the same thought lol

[usesPython]

why would a jester not self-hammer at e-1? is it a thing that jesters can't self-vote or something?

Could be a Semi-Priest thing that prevents self hammering

[usesPython]

UNVOTE:

Thanks.

Why didn't Ircher hammer himself when he was at E-1?

Uh, not sure. Does he really gain anything from self-hammering? He could still be communicating with a hypothetical partner(s).

If he's already in full anti-spew mode then the benefit of self-hammering is that it stops him from creating more associative tells

[usesPython]

We probably? don't have an Antisocial Jester in the game so Ircher's fine to lim here

[usesPython]

i am sus of camel though.

I think the game can be broken down into camel/STD, KKFC/sheep as possible scum/cult pairs and then Ircher's just different scum

[usesPython]

Do we provide a shot list for Rauth or just let him do his thing?

[usesPython]

i am sus of camel though.

I think the game can be broken down into camel/STD, KKFC/sheep as possible scum/cult pairs and then Ircher's just different scum

if we're testing pairs then KKFC/camel should be flipped first since they give mechanical clears

[usesPython]

ranger what chess elo are you

I peaked at 500, when I played regularly.

What can you tell us about the chess games this match? List of moves/Name of opening/How much did your opponent blunder/Did they ever En Passant/Castle?

You're going to be disappointed. When I say I peaked at 500 playing regularly, I mean I'm

significantly worse

now, because I've not played chess in 15 years.

The first game went like this. (I thought I was playing against an idiot. Turns out I'm the idiot.)

White Queen's Pawn two forward to d4.
I put my Black darksquare bishop's Pawn to f5.
White's darksquare Bishop to g5.
I put my Black rook's Pawn to h6.
White's darksquare Bishop to f4.
I put my Black knight's Pawn to g5.
White's darksquare Bishop to g3.
I put my Black darksquare bishop's Pawn to f4.
White's king's Pawn to e3.
I captured the darksquare Bishop with my darksquare bishop's Black Pawn to e3.
White's lightsquare Bishop to d3.
I put my Black knight's Pawn to b5. (I was aiming for their rook, since I was sure they couldn't save it.)
White Bishop moved to g6, which was checkmate.

The second game never played out.

White king's Pawn to e4.
I put my black queen's Pawn to e5.
White queen's Pawn to d4.
I forfeited, due to friend emergency.

Spoiler: Game 1

1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bh4 g5 4. Bg3 f4 5. e3 fxg3 6. Bd3 b5 7. Bg6#

Spoiler: Game 2

1. e4 e5 2. d4

Anon definitely has some skill in tactics to spot 7. Bg6# but they missed an earlier checkmate with

Spoiler: 6. Qh5#

1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 h6 3. Bh4 g5 4. Bg3 f4 5. e3 fxg3 6. Qh5#

which makes me think they played 6. Bd3 as a natural move to develop their bishop and only then spotted the tactic. I think I can clear Snivy here by playstyle since he played much more solid and conservative moves with us compared to the aggressive 2. Bg5 or gambity 2. d4

[usesPython]

Checking Snivy and KKFC creates a winning POE right? like even with cult we hit the CL with that POE

[usesPython]

anything interesting happen that ive missed

is there like a circling summary post of mechanical stuff or something

Ircher got hammered I think and he apparently had information that Rauth lied about night actions. Ranger plays chess at night so we're chess hunting to see who it is. I think that's about everything?

[usesPython]

Metaing Irchers chess games on this site I think I can clear him from being the chess player (Not that it matters rn though)

[usesPython]

If Ircher flips culted here I am clear btw.

How? Mechanically you could have CL'd sheep and Ircher n1/n2

[usesPython]

Anyway, Rautherdir lied about his N2 action. There's no way that he could have absorbed a vigilante shot from Radical Rat.

Cool, why is it impossible?

[usesPython]

Absorber might have weird Action Resolution timing, keep in mind.

If there is really no other option, the traditional recommendation of Natural Action Resolution is to pick whichever of the conflicting actions comes first on the following list, and resolve it first:

• Copy
  
• Hide
  
• Bus Drive
  
• Block
  
• Redirect
  
• Protect
  
• Miscellaneous
  
• Kill
  
• Recruit
  
• Inspect

Absorber would be a copy action

[usesPython]

Oh wait Ircher's claiming Bus Driver or something who swapped Radical Rat here

[usesPython]

Yeah no Ircher's wrong, the Copy goes through first before any Bus Drives/Redirects so if Rauth targeted RR they'd get the vig shot

[usesPython]

The golden rule of NAR would apply first.

yeah and you'd get a conflict

Sometimes the actions that might affect each other form a loop, so that there's no action to pick in step 1. In other cases, the order of two actions matters but it isn't clear that one affects the other.

An example of an action loop:

• Player 1 blocks Player 2.
  
• Player 2 redirects Player 1 onto player 3.

In this case, both actions affect each other; player 2's action changes the target of player 1's, while player 1 prevent player 2 from performing an action.

Note that this loop would not occur if either of the players had chosen different targets. If player 2 had targeted someone else, then the roleblock is not affected by any other actions, and player 2 will just be blocked outright. If player 1 had targeted someone else, then the redirect is not affected by any other actions, so player 1 will end up blocking player 2's target.

An example of two actions that interfere without affecting each other:

• Player 1 vanilliaises Player 3;
  
• Player 2 gives an invention to Player 3.

In this case, the order of applying the actions affects whether player 3 loses just the abilities they had at the start of the night, or whether they lose the invention as well.

Again, there is no conflict if the players pick different targets; for instance, if player 1 targets player 2, then the gift of the invention has absolutely no effect on the vanillaising, so the vanillaising (which would prevent the invention being given with some variants of Vanillaiser) happens first.

These cases are both very rare. Normally, the Golden Rule will be sufficient to resolve almost any combination of actions. Try to resolve actions using the Golden Rule first before reading onwards.

[usesPython]

The Golden Rule

Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.

---

Applying the Golden Rule in Three Easy Steps

1. Find an action (or a passive modifier, such as Bulletproof) such that its effect cannot possibly be modified by any other action.
   
2. Resolve it.
   
3. Repeat from step 1 until all actions are resolved.

[usesPython]

There's no conflict. The absorption ability would depend on the other ability, but the other ability doesn't depend on the absorption ability.

In other cases, the order of two actions matters but it isn't clear that one affects the other.

[usesPython]

Ok lots of stuff happened:

We claimed this during twilight in Nightmare but we used a 1-shot Disloyal Vigilante on KKFC

We also got a bunch of feedback tonight:

STD Friendly Neighboured us

We got a mailman message that claims to be from sheep

We were also targeted by Carls Older Brother

[usesPython]

N1: sheep
N2: sheep
N3: DE70

with two cult dead

I am clear of being CL, unless we think there were multiple starting cult with me.

Cult should be gone, Mentee's die when the Mentor dies

[usesPython]

sheep why'd you mailman us instead of using the Cop Invention?

Also for the non-nightmare folks, the inquiry was a combined check of if Rauth can:

• Play chess with Ranger at night
  
• Put Drew into the nightmare d1
  
• Take an action n1 that causes the public TA message to be posted at the start of d2

[usesPython]

VC 4.0

DragonEater70 (0):

Ircher (0):

Ranger (0):

Radical Rat (0):

KatyKimFanClub (0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Flea the Magician (0):

Save the Dragons (0):

usesPython (0):

Rauthedir (0):

Abnegation (0):

sheepsaysmeep (0):

Not Voting (12):

DragonEater70, Ircher, Ranger, Radical Rat, KatyKimFanClub, Morning Tweet, Flea The Magician, Save The Dragons, usesPython, Rautherdir, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep

With

12

known votes, it takes

7

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-08-13 19:30:00)

Moderator Notes:

- Ranger is V/LA every Sunday/Monday for July.
- Kyoko Kirigiri is V/LA every Sunday thru Tuesday.
- DragonEater70 is V/LA every Tuesday.

Nightmare

There are no proposals.

With

12

known votes, it takes

7

of them to achieve a majority.
Nobody is confirmed to run the Nightmare.

Spoiler: Pronouns

Pronoun Key

Later

Ircher's dead right?

[usesPython]

POE just wins the game at this point I think?

Conftown:

• Ranger
  
• Radical Rat
  
• Abnegation
  
• usesPython
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• KatyKimFanClub

Everyone else:

• DragonEater70 (1-shot Neighborizer who faked Mason)
  
• Morning Tweet
  
• Flea the Magician
  
• Rautherdir
  
• sheepsaysmeep

I had a dream last night that NO RESULT.

So that's a guilty, right?

Oh yeah, KKFC targeted DE so that's our unclaimed Publishing TA

[usesPython]

VOTE: DragonEater70

[usesPython]

Ranger you should be safe to IC at this point since Cult's gone

[usesPython]

I am clear of being CL, unless we think there were multiple starting cult with me.

camelCasedSnivy was the cult leader, and though you're not cleared, you look better.

Mentee's die when the Mentor dies, Cult's gone unless we think there's another CL

[usesPython]

Also are you forgetting we Disloyal Vig'd KKFC?

[usesPython]

KKFC claimed his action in the nightmare, why didn't DE holster?

[usesPython]

POE just wins the game at this point I think?

Conftown:

• Ranger
  
• Radical Rat
  
• Abnegation
  
• usesPython
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• KatyKimFanClub

Everyone else:

• DragonEater70 (1-shot Neighborizer who faked Mason)
  
• Morning Tweet
  
• Flea the Magician
  
• Rautherdir
  
• sheepsaysmeep

I had a dream last night that NO RESULT.

So that's a guilty, right?

Oh yeah, KKFC targeted DE so that's our unclaimed Publishing TA

HURT: Ranger
Radical Rat
Abnegation
usesPython
Save The Dragons
KatyKimFanClub
Flea the Magician

[usesPython]

KKFC claimed his action in the nightmare, why didn't DE holster?

DE even posted after that so it wasn't a case of being AFK

[usesPython]

KKFC claimed his action in the nightmare, why didn't DE holster?

A valid question. However, the results are clear enough. There's no way to frame DE70 for this, near as I can tell.

Yeah we still kill DE here since the only way for scum to frame town!DE is to TA DE which now that I write it out sounds more likely than it should be

[usesPython]

No wait nvm, only makes sense to TA DE if you're in the nightmare

[usesPython]

I wasn't expecting the game to actually end today though, I thought you were group scum and we'd still have a traitor to find. So I'm worried it actually isn't over for town and we have a third party to find still... If not then uh. This feels a little too town sided? Guess I'll have to see the full setup later.

I feel like a lot of it came down to some lucky early nightplay that just broke the game open for Town, if Titus and Kirigiri didn't die early we could see the game going either way

[usesPython]

I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?

Jesus Christ Abnegation reads hella Traitor with her d1 posting

Oh my god we had it in the bag should have just gone with it

[usesPython]

Actually the guilty wasn't luck, it was the setup bwing broken.

It was our only instant mechanical guilty and even if it hit town Snivy could have recruited there

[usesPython]

I should probably look into this but was Abne TRing Titus/Kirigiri during d1?

Jesus Christ Abnegation reads hella Traitor with her d1 posting

what would be really funny is if the mafia or the masons could recruit the wrong traitor by mistake, but that would break the game lol.

YOUUUUUUU

[usesPython]

So wait, who roleblocked Ranger n1?

[usesPython]

Also that explains a lot about the Aureal kill

[usesPython]

I just want to complain that I am deeply annoyed about getting into a 1v1 with KKFC about which one was CL when neither of us was cult. I'm pretty sure I'm the last scum here and I guess I fucked up by using my inquiry ability? I didn't think it would go through as no result, oops.

@Mod: I concede.

@mod does a "No Result" result get published by a Publishing Traffic Analyst?

Correct.

What a way to end the game

[usesPython]

we had no way to anticipate the number of protective roles in the setup.

We only had Drew/Ranger/KKFC as protectives, the feeling is just magnified because of Day Motivator hitting them

[usesPython]

we had no way to anticipate the number of protective roles in the setup.

We only had Drew/Ranger/KKFC as protectives, the feeling is just magnified because of Day Motivator hitting them

aureal was 2-shot doctor.

Oh right I forgot she existed

[usesPython]

Wait if Ircher was Mafia who got recruited then what was up with him pushing Rauth? Did he think Rauth was Mafia Traitor?

Anyways gg, thanks for modding it was really fun. No redactions in any of the Nightmare threads

[usesPython]

I find it pretty funny that DE conceded due to POE when half of the "conftown" were lying

[usesPython]

i was also shocked day 1 when rat already deducted i was third party which is why i had to recruit em

I'm guessing this failed?

richer bus drove rat and themselves

lmao Ircher wanted in

[usesPython]

I like how I successfully hit scum with my vig and people just got more suspicious of me cause it wasn't the right scum team.

For what it's worth if the game would continued with Ranger trueclaiming we would have thought you're townier than her and even if you were scum you were at worst Traitor because of how you got pushed d1

[usesPython]

btw why did mafia kill Aureal?

They thought she was Traitor and were trying to recruit her