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@k7- Do you not like/see the worth in the RVS or simply don't want to Vote in it?-
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I've been kind of site-wide MIA for a little while and I'm slowly making my way back. I made it a point to catch up in another game yesterday and was planning on doing the same here today. Expect something later. Again, appologies.ooba wrote:
Why leave out d3x, Scott Brosius and DragonsofSummer?farside22 wrote:bv and k-7 need to stop lurking/posting crap and contribute.-
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Ok, so I'm caught up and I have a strong feeling that people are gonna howl at me for not coming back with more, but meh. I'm also prepared to hear a bunch of 'Pot Vs Kettle' calls.
Currently on my radar are the following {for the following reasons}:
Scott Brosius- For stretching the RVS while he was here and not giving anything else since.
Cry- For stretching the RVS and then the whole anti-WS push for some bs inconsistency {all while holding a RVS Vote for DP}. I especially don't like the whole 'I misunderstood, lol' vibe I got from p144.
THC- So many reasons. The fights with WS and Kast mostly. I feel that these are both really reaching.
wolf- Following along and mostly posting fluff, imo. No real content through 10 posts across 7 pages. {Given once the content starts, I'm inclined to like it. This is my weakest Scum-leaning feeling}
I felt the need to say that these are leaning townie for me:
FC- Pushing to exit the RVS early followed by decent posting, imo. I'm not feeling the recent push on him at all.
Kast- Solid reads and arguments. Can we please only nickname one person 3PO, though? I love it, but with 3 of them running around, it gets confusing.
Other random musings:
WS- I don't know why there is/was a wagon there.
In summation, I'm happy with my Vote on 2Headed3PO. I'd like to make it official, though.
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Oh yeah! I forgot to say this...
I can't wait to hear the reasons that you posted this little gem, along with your supposed reasons for stretching the RVS with off-topic filler.In p133, Cry wrote:
I have with my last few posts. Also, there is usually reason to almost everything I post,farside wrote:CMAR: Needs to stop talking about movies, music and tv and start scum hunting nanoalmosteverything
If you're saying that the talk of fs's "movies, music, and tv" was one of those few times that there was no reason, why did you respond with the above? If that's not what you were saying, then what is the reason for said talk of "movies, music, and tv"?
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I'm not saying that k7 is the pinnacle of the proTown Mafia playing experience, but can VRK, dan, and the 2Headed3PO give me a brief overview of what they think the wagon is all about? As far as I can tell, it's nothing more than a policy Lynch. Does that about sum it up?
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Go go Gadget Double Post!!!
Mod- Regarding Prods, does the response have to be in thread or does via PM suffice? If so, will you tell us if a Prod has been replied to via PM? And can we get a prod on Scott Brosius, plz?
@ooba-
What makes AGM special? As far as I can tell, he's the only lurker you left out in your redacted Lurker List. Unless you count...
Why leave out d3x, Scott Brosius and DragonsofSummer?farside22 wrote:bv and k-7 need to stop lurking/posting crap and contribute.
...content, that is.AlmasterGM wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.Wreck Star wrote:PS, who IS in your hydra? I swear one of them has to be either MrSuave or kyle99.
LOL.
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Howdy, Reaper!
@2Head- I must have missed this at first, but it wasn't until WS quoted you here that I got a tad confused.
If I'm reading you correctly, you didn't suspect WS until he started acting like you were acting? Are you saying that you think you were acting rather suspect and the heat you're feeling is justified? If not, whatWe didn't suspect Wreckstar until they started freaking and acting like we did.areyou trying to say here?-
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I've skimmed over the thread.
UnVotefor now, until I can give it all a good solid read.
Hopefully I'll have more time tomorrow to post, but in the meantime I thought I'd throw something out there and see if it sticks.
If we're doubting Kast's alignment and/or ability, why don't we direct his shot? If he doesn't shoot who we want him to, we Lynch him {ie- antiTown motivations}. If he doesn't Shoot anyone, we Lynch him {ie- he lied}. If he successfully shoots the target picked out by us, we let him live and allow the Scum to deal with him tonight.
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Umm... you don't have a Vote on anyone, DoS doesn't have any Votes on him, you find scummy behavior, and you FoS him? Why not Vote?ReaperCharlie wrote:FoS: DragonsofSummer
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I don't believe the claim.
Vote:hp [leaves]
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What changed between here...
...and here...?In p450, Cry wrote:Farside is town, I'm pretty positive, as I think it would be Jabba the Hutt to place this bounty, making farside town in my opinion.
The part that really doesn't sit well with me is that...While in p452, you wrote:Farside is town. I have that info.
You started this page 'pretty positive' based on opinion and speculation but finished it with concrete information. What gives, Cry?In p469, you wrote:I have info that Farside is on the good side.
Frankly, I'm also not liking the speculation from Cry a whole lot. I seriously don't think we should allow this to dictate any decisions we make today. Jabba isn't even the only one who put out bounties in ep 4-6.
This. I feel that the bounty is Null at best.ooba wrote:Think its stupid to classify anyone as townie just because they have a bounty on them. If its a faction thing, I can easily see scum putting a bounty on one of their own to make people think like this.-
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Sorry, I forgot about Slicey's question. I Voted because the Claim was a load of crap. The Role didn't make any sense and felt thrown together in desperation, imo.-
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@Cry- And what about wolf's post made you change your mind?
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I can dig WS's Vote. I get {although don't completely like} AGM's Vote. Your Vote however, I'm not down with at all. You are Voting bv for being useless?
*ringring* Hi kettle, it's the pot. You're black. *click*
Do you believe Cry's Claim? Why/why not? What are your thoughts regarding his choice {and thought process} for investigation? What do you think of his unsolicated result on farside? How about his setup speculation? What about Slicey's question regarding your position on the wagon yesterday?
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AGM's defense of DP is noted.
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[nerd hat]Umm... Point of Order. ESB- Vader hires bounty hunters to find the Millenium Falcon.[/nerd hat]RC wrote:it seems pretty obvious that the scum faction would obviously be the Empire, in this game. But they don't place bounties on people's heads like smugglers would.
Also, I thought I had said that setup speculation isn't going to take us anywhere. Do you disagree?
WS wrote:don't just assume the Empire are the baddies.UnVote/Vote:Wreck Star
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This. I'm not calling for a Claim just yet, but I don't like the way this went down. There was no reason to Claim anything at that time. I also don't like the response to pressure in p512.dan wrote:I'm suspicous of you for claiming without any real pressure.
It was one of them Dragons. My opinion stands.AGM wrote:It was defending DoS, not DP.
Well, my Role PM says that I win when we defeat all the threats to the Rebel Alliance {paraphrased}. The only threat to the Rebel Alliance in eps 4-6 is the Empire. {preview edit- WS513 makes me feel a little better but IGMEOY, returning Vote now...I don't get it.UnVote/Vote:Scott}
Perhaps I should've clarified. speculation about Jabba the Hutt being the head of a Scum team, etc. is useless speculation that shouldn't be discussed. There is no verifiable way of knowing any of that. I also don't agree that you need to fully know the setup {ie- 2 Scum teams vs 1+SK}. I don't think it helps all that much. Concern yourself with ScumHunting and you'll find Scum. Anything else is fluff imo, and only serves to make it appear that you are contributing. I also disagree that we can know for sure {or pretty close}'. Who's to say that it wasn't a Vig that took out one of the NKs? I think it's dangerous to spend much {if any} time speculating on setup; especially this early in the game.RC wrote:Knowing for certain (or pretty close) whether there are two scum factions, or one scum faction + sk, can speak volumes as to how people consciously or unconsciously link themselves together.-
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It's not too far of a stretch to believe that with the bounty, CryScum identified you as Town, thus wanted to 'confirm' himself with a 1-shot investigation result. Claiming 1-shot will protect him from ever having to give incorrect reads later on. Another Scum motivation would be if the 2 of you were on the same team. You can know for sure your own alignment, but the rest of us can't.I don't see a scum modivation for making a claim that early. Do you?
Thinking this through, I'm starting to believe Cry's Claim, but I really don't like the way it went down. I don't think there was any reason to Claim at this juncture.
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You know that you were one of 'the others' on that list, right?I feel like the others are just not posting (as opposed to actual lurking), while bv is attempting to play.-
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And nowhere in my possible scenario did I say you were worried about the Bounty. I actually didn't have anything from your point of view, it was from Cry's, so I'm not sure how this factors into it.farside wrote:No one was even voting me and I sure as hell wasn't worried about it.
I don't think I have, but that's not the point. It isn't that hard to see the situation play out and that's what you asked. If Cry is Newb enough to talk about the game outside of thread and Claim at the drop of a hat as a proTown 1-shot Cop, why wouldn't he make a weak gambit as Scum? I know, I know, WIFOM. The point stands and the logic holds.if you have seen scum actually pair themselves in a game before please share links to said game.
I don't see how your question could've been answered by anything but WIFOM. Fascinating. Also, Colby Jack ftw.This WIFOM from d3x is brought to you by the makers of cheese.-
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@farside- Got it.
@sog- It mostly had to do with me not paying attention to the OP had the Town's WinCon. As Scum, I recently got caught in a similar situation towards End Game.-
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Other comments coming soon {as work allows}.Kast wrote:I will be V/LA from April 23rd until May 2nd-
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Obviously work didn't allow me time enough to post. So I'll do it now...
Settle, bro. farside asked if there were Scum motivations behind Claiming early as you did. I saw some potential Scum motivations and then immediately went on to say that while possible, I believed you.Cry wrote:1) I could say the same for if I am town (which I am). I wanted to 'confirm' Farside because of the bounty
2) If we were on the same team, never would I EVER do that. If one of us gets lynched, both of us go down not to mention that neither of us had any pressure on us at the time. This is just stupid.
Assuming Cry didn't FullClaim, how would his revealing himself as Yoda have changed anything? How would you have guaged the truthiness of his Claim by this info?dan wrote:I didn't want you to reveal the Alliance JOAT thing yet, CMAR. I just wanted your rolename.
Does this work exactly like a Cop's Investigate power? I'd just like this to be absolutely clear.Cry wrote:The power I used last night was "Force Sensitive (Investigate)".
Is there a specific reason you don't believe him?dan wrote:He definitely at least had a fakeclaim of Yoda ready. I'll have to think about this one more.
@Scott587- Thank you Scum.
@RC- What's teh deal with the 'Note'? I'm not asking you to give the details, but why are you making vague Notes for us to read without any information in them?
What? It'd be a different story if Cry came out and SoftClaimed, but he didn't. He changed his story in a suspicious manner. He said his reaction to the situation is that she's probably Town aligned and then switched to saying sheDoS wrote:I really don't like how d3x basically forces a claim out of CMAR with post 471.isTown aligned. This doesn't make sense. Of course I'm going to ask about incongruities I find, it's called ScumHunting. I didn't 'force' him to Claim anything.
I'm glad you liked it.This post is really terrible.
Nice misrep there! I said that I understand but don't really like AGM's Vote. I can understand a BW Vote for the sake of a BW Vote. A hypocritical Vote on the other hand is very scummy.d3x says he is fine with AGM voting to wagon, but not okay with scott's vote because scott was not very useful on day one? This reaks of an opportunity/distancing vote.
I've explained this. You don't like it, that's fine.d3x misreps what wreckstar says to the extreme.-
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@Mod- Can we get a prod on VRK? I know it hasn't been quite 5 days, but he hasn't posted D2 at all.
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Step one.
Thanks Starbuck!Happy ScumDay d3x!
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Interesting. There were 4 people on my radar, adn while I fully admit that I was wqrong on the 50% that flipped {and probably Cry as well}, what about Scott are you saying is Town, exactly? I'm obviously not seeing it.I think d3x may need a better radar but somthing of note that so far everyone he had on his radar had some town role.
I'm not going to call this a misrep, but that's definitely not what I was saying. The subtext here is that I don't for a second buy their reasons for having so many Votes here. I couldn't find any satisfactory reasons for their Votes, so I was questioning the Wagon.not a fan of asking why he should join a wagon.
Then what exactly are you trying to suggest? He was flipflopping over the great expanse of 2 posts. He couldn't have investigated in that timeframe. If he was Claiming, than he needed to Claim. If he was Scum faking a result that was unneccessary, then it was the perfect time to catching floundering over it.I don't believe for a second you are that much of a newb to ask these type of questions to CMAR
I probable said this, but I'm not sure where. Point to it plz???Why did you feel that it was thrown together in desperation and didn't make sense?
Bam!!!Hey neighbor I'm from Reseda
If at any time you'd like to decide for yourself {meta}, all of my games are on my wiki.Almaster said he's really good as scum
@bv633- *facepalm* Are we thinking that given enough outted PRs Scum won't know who to shoot tonight?
@Cry636- *double facepalm* This is exactly what I was saying about you!!!
@WS- If you're innocent, why aren't you Voting bv?
So I Voted WS adn then thought about it erased it. It's T-2 RL days until our DayVig is back. I can't remember who said it, but my recommendation is that we wait for Kast, have him shoot WS, then Lynch bv if it's a lie. If it's legit, then we continue on with our D2.-
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Anger+Hatred. I tried to post yesterday right before I had to leave for work, but there were issues. I didn't have time to retype. I'm catching up now.
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The jury's still out on 2 of the 4. Just because I currently believe Cry, doesn't clear him. Also, I'm not saying that my Scum-dar is 100% on.When you list 4 players and only 1 may be scum I would say your scum radar needs a tune up
Oh, yeah! I remember saying that now. It's because his ClaimThe final thing was in regards to what you said about hp{leaves]didfeel thrown together anddidn'tmake any sense. Lol! He was scrambling to find an excuse for why a DayVig {alignment undetermined} bounced off of him and his explanation didn't hold water. I know that there's nothing hard and fast that makes the Roles line up with the series, but I had and still have no reason to believe that they don't.
@WS674- For the same reason I Hammered hp, I'm not liking WS. The Claim doesn't make sense. I'm of the mind that we need to test this out by a DayVig from Kast. He should be back in a day or so.
@everything else- I think a lot of discussion about believing bv, not believing WS, and disliking Scott has come and gone. I agree with all of these things.-
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@Kast- Did an enabler find you?
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Can I ask why it matters? Do you disbelieve the Cop Claim?Lynch wrote:You thought RC was scummy? Care to share why? I had the opposite read.-
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I'd be down for sog or Scott, but I'm not really for a QuickLynch here.
Regarding the Cop thing, I don't really see a reason to question a Cop on why they chose a certain target unless the Cop's Claim/alignment is in question.
Lynch, I actually thought you were an alt considering there was a specific requirement of admittance into this game. Welcome to the site!
Regarding the Scum Group{s}, I find it interesting that both of the Scum that have thus far flipped are bounty hunters {although one is 3rd party and one is Scum}. I'm not willing to write off 2 Scum Groups, but I'm not down for more speculation. It only serves to distract the Town and we'll hopefully find out soon enough anyway.-
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I would also recommend Claiming, sog. You're at L-2 atm.-
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@RC-
1. Where did I say that Vader and the Emperor aren't in this game/aren't the bad guys? I believe Ispecificallyargued against them not being here/not being Scum a while ago {see p518}.
2. Huh? I'm not getting what you're getting at. I'm refusing to waste time speculating thus I'm arguing against the Empire being Scum? I'm not following you at all.-
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Dunno. I like playing 'out guess the Mod' almost as much as I like setup speculation {which is ultimately the same game}. I don't really see much worth in it. If you'd really like to debate the matter, I suggest you talk with those hell bent on believing there are 2 Scum Groups. I just said I'm not ruling out the possibility.Why would we have a flip without a faction if there was more then one scum group?
How do you feel about a Quick Lynch {I don't like it}? Do you think it's more beneficial to the Town than actual discussion {I do not, I believe it stifles conversation}? Do you think the bounty of sog is playing a role in the speed of this wagon {I definitely do and am worried about it}? Do you feel that it is having a positive or negative effect on the Wagon {negative, everyone is gunning for that shield}? What do you think of Scott's TF Vote {I don't like it, though I'm not a fan of TF's Slicey Vote either}?
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@AGM- I don't see the benefitstospeculate on setup. ScumHunting is ScumHunting whether you have 1, 2 or 5 Scum Groups. I believe looking for connections and interactions before concrete confirmation of multiple ScumGroups is ultimately less beneficial than ScumHunting. I also believe that prematurely, it is very distracting in a game like this. Too many people are only too eager to nerd out about what Groups could potentially be out there.
Once a second faction is flipped, looking into connections will be much more beneficial, imo. This of course does not include looking for connections to known Scum.-
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I'll take the L-1 Vote. I'm announcing my intent so there isn't a simulpost that f*s this up.UnVote-
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I'm down for a Scott investigation. If he's not Scum {doubtful} then he's gonly going to serve to continue distracting the Town with their suspicions. Also, I decided to join the Wagon due to a number of reasons. I realized that cooler heads won't prevail in terms of more discussion {ie-slowing the Day a bit}. Also, I agree with the plan to give bv the Bounty abilities and the extra info about farside's RB helps a lot of doubt I had.-
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Note- I haven't read the thread {though I saw there was a Wagon on me}. I'm posting as I read, so some of this may have been asked/answered. Warning:HugeCatch-up Wall follows {I'm really sorry}...
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Who exactly are you congratulating on Jabba's death? Your next sentence says that you believe the Empire Scum killed him. This is a bit weird to me.Nice job on Jabba's death.
@Lynch851- This is exactly why I was pushing to slow yesterday down. We got no information aside from the Lynch that we were going to get regardless. We had multiple players go without posting. This does not help the Town even if the Lynch is a good Lynch.
Why? What changed your mind about him?Lynch wrote:after a re-read with current information, I'm moving dana off my probable scum list.
@SB855- RC's Scum list makes me laugh. WS {Scum}, sog {Imperial}, and SB {'Innocent'} coming from the Scum GodFather.
Point of order. I do not like TF858.
@TF858- Why didn't you like sog for Scum? If you liked the "Lynch vitcims" from D1&2, why weren't you anywhere near the Wagons? Note- I'm not asking why you didn't Hammer. I don't think you mentioned hp once and only mentioned Wreck Star in your very first post. Can you point us to where you 'suspected' either Lynchee?
How is a misLynch {especially the first} that bad for Town? It's not the best case scenario, but we get valuable information on misLynches. Are you expecting this game to go through with no misLynches?We got lucky that SOG was actually scum, but if was town we would have mislynchedFoS:TF{insert intent to upgrade this and Vote TF here once I confirm that there isn't a better case/he's not at L-1}
@TF861- When in the future? Have you yet in this game?
@DP865throughDP872-
Is this 'too scummy to be Scum' or am I misreading you and missing something? Also are you planning on doing everyone in iso? If not, why did you pick those you picked? Regardless I'd like to know why you chose the order you chose to do your Isos.DP wrote:I have difficulty imagining scum to come up with such a suggestion as he did.
@Kthx874- There's the case on me. Well, I can't say that you don't have a point, but I do say that your case could be stronger. First off, you left out my D1 Hammer on a 3rd party without making with the recap that I'd promised. You also didn't say anything about the mild defense then hard reversal on WS. Finally, you didn't go into my general Lurking. Aside from all of that, I'll now respond to your case after throwing out that I think you're probably Town {although you're stretching a bit on some of your points}. For those of you who don't know, Kthx and I have a history and he usually goes after me at least once in our games {here and especially off-site}.
It should look like 'I don't want us to QuickLynch a potentially Town aligned PR considering he's been tracked performing a Night Action that he doesn't want to be outted'. Also of note is the fact that I said that the Bounty's are Null at best. I felt that it could've been a tool used by Scum to 'softConfirm' their own players. While highly unlikely, we still don't actually have confirmation that this didn't happen.Looks like 'hey, get a fake claim in there buddy. This bounty on you is screwing us'.
Now this is a load of bull. Point to the place where I say there is only 1 ScumGroup. I clearly say that there may very well be more than 1 and I'm not ruling it out, I just think that setup speculation on multiple groups is distracting and less beneficial than actually ScumHunting.Taking what we know now (that there are indeed 2 scum groups) this looks like d3x trying to convince us that we should only worry about one.
I don't like QuickLynches. I seem to remembner winning a game as Scum that we just played in by getting something like 3 back-to-back QuickLynches. One {which I personally pushed} was even Confirmed Scum on my team.Take note of him 'not liking the quick lynch'
I was not against a sog Lynch, I was against a QuickLynch {see p799}. Either way, I knew the risks when I asked to slow the Day down {if/when the Lynchee flipped Scum}.trying to continue the day in hopes of getting Vader off the hook with 'more conversation'
First, you're taking things out of context here. I posted that in p808, getting the shield to bv wasn't suggested until Kast816. Hindsight may be 20/20, but apparently, it can't count.worry over the bounty, and the big one 'everyone is gunning for the shield'. Really? The way I read it was everyone wanted our investigative role to have it
To ensure that bv got it. What am I missing here? Note the timestamps. I was online when bv was and I wanted to make sure he got it. The explanations had to wait until afterwards otherwise a simulpost L-1 would've f*ed it up, as I said.If everyone is gunning for the shield, why would you then put the L-1 down?
I didn't say it was a bad thing or a mistake, I said it was hastening a Wagon that wasn't 100% sound. I still feel that this was a motivation.If you don't think the bounty on sog was a good thing and think it was a mistake, then why do this?
Three reasons: 1. I felt that there was a fair chance sog was Scum 2. Hardly anyone was listening to me {Lynch805 actually agreed that we should take our time with yesterday} and the Wagon wasn't going to slow down 3. Securing the shield for bv.If you thought conversation was going to be stifled due to this lynch happening fast, the why did you participate? How do your actions of getting on the band wagon halt the quick lynch?
If we were on the same side, I'd know he was the GodFather {assuming he is, which I currently am not}.Of course, in my experience you wouldn't know he's the Godfather unless he told you his role flat out OR he told you he's the emperor and you guessed as much.
@dana891- Lmao
read- misLynches are goodI think barring any other scum suspects that lynching a VI isn't a bad thing to do.
read-RoleFishingHowever, I find that very townie people are joining the d3x wagon,
so there may be some investigation results for them to base their votes on.read- and I want to look more townie
read- so if/when he flips TownAligned, my ass is coveredAlso, I already said that I do find him somewhat scummy, so I guess I'm ready to vote now.
read- bussAnd I find it ridiculous that Toon Fighter is kind of wagging his finger at me for non-contribution.
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{insert intent to upgrade this and Vote dan here once I confirm that there isn't a better case/he's not at L-1. I'm liking dan better than TF atm}
@Kast892- Well it's going to be a hard sell convincing people that I didn't read this before responding to the above posts {specifically Kthx's and dan's}. This is just one reason I don't like people providing defenses of others, but whatever.
@Kast894- /waiting for accusations of me being your GodFather in yet another Star Wars themed game...
@Kast894/Lynch895- There is an easeir way to figure this Role speculation out.
@dan- Why do you say that GMT is "the only man in the Empire who ever attempts to use torture"?
@Lynch895-
This. I stand behind my original premise that speculation is distracting and in most every case to be avoided. The only thing this helps with is if someone Claims Grand Moff Tarkin. And they'd be a moron to do it even without the speculation.I'm not even sure if all this setup speculation is doing us much good
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I'm actually inclined to believe that we may have an SK and the Jabba Scum group couldn't NK {only place Bounties}. The 'swallowed' thing weirds me out though. This gives the potential that the Rancor or Sarlacc could be in the game {either would be JabbaScum and potentially only be allowed to NK after Jabba dies}. The lack of a VibroNK last Night could be attributed to Shield, Doc Save, WIFOM No Kill, or something completely different.I would assume at least 7 scum in a 22 man game (could include mafia and/or SKs). It does not appear that we have any serial killers.
See, this is why I don't like setup speculation. It gets us no where.
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Are you asking me? I didn't want to rush it. I Hammered for the reasons I laid out in the all-too-lengthy p897.Lynch wrote:Why did we need to rush it?-
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I'd love some!dan wrote:Would you like some fries with that blatant, cowardly OMGUS?
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Yeah, mostly Lurking is a Null tell across the board. Certain players have established meta as being Lurky-Scum, while some players have meta of participating more as Scum. Lurker Lynches are usually red herrings, imo. As my first Scum game, we were able to ride a few of them into a perfect win. It's easy to initiate a Lurker Lynch and there's usually no real push back from anyone, but sometimes they actually turn up Scum.-
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@TF- Do you have nothing to say about the Wagon you're currently riding? Any feedback {belief/disbelief} in regards to my defense? Any response to the multiple cases building against you? Any answers to the questions others are asking?
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What's not backed up very well?it's not backed up very well
I don't know about the others, but my suspicion of him has nothing to do with Lurking. Do you not find merit in my suspicions or did you just not read them? Also, your defense of TF has been noted.I really don't see any reason to vote for him because I know his town meta, and this is it.-
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@dan- Wait a minute. You're holding onto this idea that you found me 'somewhat scummy' and mentioned it previously. I looked and yes, you did mention it... in p881. The strange thing is, that's only the 2nd time you've mentioned me all game {the first time you said nothing about me being scummy}. 10 posts later, you then Voted in p891. Also in p881, you said that you weren't "really ready to vote yet". What changed between p881 and p891? Finally you said...
Aside from the potential RoleFishing here {bv has all of his investigations accounted for}, the Wagon preceding your Vote consisted of Kthx, bv, AGM, and TF. Barring bv {our all but confirmed Cop}, who on this list would you consider 'very townie'?I find that very townie people are joining the d3x wagon, so there may be some investigation results for them to base their votes on
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@Kthx944- I await with baited breathe.
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@Kast- I can confirm that we know each other iRL {for the better part of 20 years} and have played a fair amount of Mafia games together here and eslewhere {though we've both been playing the game a ~year each}. I'm not sure what specifically you're looking for regarding our 'Mafia history'.-
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Also, all of my games are on my wiki for a better meta read, if that'd help you on my side.-
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@DP- Weren't you going to Iso a bunch of players starting with me? Is the fruition of said Iso...
What specifically do you think I didn't defend well? I'd particularly like those on my Wagon {you and Blaze chief among them} to answer before Kthx comes back in with his d3x-case 2.0.Looking at d3x, I must say that the accusations in post 874 are pretty solid, and not defended well.
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@dan- Are you planning on answering my p919?
@DP- Are you planning on answering my p965?
@Blaze- So you are gut Voting between the 2 biggest Wagons with no real grasp on what's going ~1 1/2 weeks before deadline? What is your take on the game? Do you have anything insightful to add?
@allConsidering no one besides dan has answered my inquiry, I'll Claim now. I have nothing and do nothing. I'm an Ewok, specifically Wicket: Alliance 'Vanilla' Town.
@Unsolicited thoughts- I'm not liking the disappearing act that we've got with TF {hasn't posted since Wednesday}, AGM {last Sunday and prodded}, and Kthx {norealposts since last Saturday}. The deadline is starting to close in on us and I'm the 'strongest' Wagon because I've got a pack of Lurkers riding me. I still mostly think Kthx is Town, but I'm growing more and more doubtful as the days wear on.-
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Ok, responding to ooba's full breakdown...
And? Let's assume that we didn't get investigations on both GFs {if there is a 2nd one} and SB really is Town. What does that mean? Are you telling me that you've never been completely wrong on a Scum List before?Three (or Four if scott is not palpatine) confirmed town on scumdar which had four people.
I'm not following you. Can you be a bit more specific on what I'm supposed to have done?the last part of the post gives me the vibe that if he’s scum – he is empire scum.
It had to do with WS not knowing the Town WinCon. I had just finished a game where a very similar instance got me caught as Scum. I didn't realize that it was posted for all to see in the OP.Still don’t get how this is a scumslip. Could you explin this please?
Someone {I believe it was farside} pointed out that the WinCon was in the OP, thus I returned to my original suspect. I did however, keep suspicion on him b/c I didn't fully like it and thought it may have been a Slip of some kind.Do not understand the switch back to scott.
I was already Voting him. I don't get this point.d3x ~ Scott – Based on him saying “Thank you scum” but not following up with any vote or pressure
I don't really remember specifically what that was about. The prod request was for VRK though, not AGM.Fos’s AGM for what I percieve to be lurking. Why ignore TF who had not posted for an even greater duration. Links to either TF or AlGm
Mmkay. I felt Scott was more suspicious than sog.Very strong d3x ~ SoG. Wants to lynch Scott over SoG. I find the fact that he does not mention SoG at all to be most suspicious.
Something you'd like to share with the rest of us Amazing Larry? {Pee-Wee quote, couldn't help myself}“I'd be down for sog or Scott, but I'm not really for a QuickLynch here.“. Just think its relevant because of a little theory I have about Day three.
Which one liner? The 'nice job' one? I think it was a valid question. Come to think of it, I don't think I ever got a response.1) Why the need to comment on Kast’s one line?. Further pointing to the fact that if d3x is scum, he is empire scum.
He hadn't done the other 1/2 of the player list.2) DP ~ d3x. Comments on DP’s ISOs but asks him why he choose that particular order instead of the more pertinent point – Town on dana, scott, toon, FCG, dana. Null on kthx. Scummy on nobody?
I'm not following. sog didn't Claim tracker. Why would he then say that he Tracked someone?3) “It should look like 'I don't want us to QuickLynch a potentially Town aligned PR considering he's been tracked performing a Night Action that he doesn't want to be outted'. “ – Hmm SoG just said he did not track anyone – could also point to VI (at that point before the claim).
AGM had been active Lurking this entire game. Aside from the fact that I have mentioned him before, I don't see how stating my suspicion on someone who hasn't been posting is relevant.4) Mentions AGM at the end without any previous mention
You're building a case against me based on connections of a player that hasn't flipped and isn't even under suspicion? Weird.My scum read is based on links with Slicey and day three play
I don't get this at all. farside wasn't an investigative Role. Given we know that her opinion wasn't based on Scum motivations, but that doesn't mean her suspicions are on target. Also, she had RC as Town.I think the fact that FS suspected Almaster to be scum and dana to be town makes me think that AlGm has more chances of being the last Jabba scum than dana.
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I don't know that I buy dan's Claim outright, but I think we can let bv investigate him tonight and Lynch TF or AGM in his place.
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AGM should be getting replaced, but there's been no confirmation
Blaze is all over the place and not making sense
Scott has become 'confirmed' and has since started coasting hardcore
Slicey hasn't posted since Saturday
Mod- Prod Slicey plz?
TF was prodded Sunday and has posted since but is officially Active Lurking
wolf should've gotten back from V/LA Tuesday to my understanding
There's a lot of Lurking going on {I'm not saying I'm completely innocent in this} and some of it is pretty freaking blatant {TF, Scott, pre-replacement AGM}. We're down to a week until deadline, there's a holiday between now and then, and we have/will have 2 V/LA players between now and then.
TF should be our Lynch for the Day. The case against him is strong and his disappearing act should weigh heavily. We can deal with dan tomorrow {preferably after a bv investigation}.
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You can cry OMGUS if you want, but ooba has built circumstantial/connective cases against a few players {namely me and Slicey/k7} while prefering to Vote a Lurker. This doesn't make sense and doesn't sit well with me.-
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Are you including me in that batch?wolf wrote:So far every person we have been about to lynch has had a bad claim with flavor and each bad claim was a scum.
I've said that I'm not sold on his Claim, but it's not reallythathard to believe. We have a way to check it out and I say we use that, bv willing. What are your thoughts on the other candidates {myself included}?-
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Ok, investigate me. If I would've suggested that, you'd no doubt claim that I was the Imperial GF trying to draw the Investigation.Kthx wrote:See, I think bv should investigate you d3x, not dana. It seems you are pushing the dana investigation pretty hard....too hard perhaps.
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While that may be so, I was lending support to your theory that the bounty was a NullTell. Check the original quote...ooba wrote:When you lend support to my theory about farside being a possible Jabba-ite, (and in a slightly emphatic fashion with "This") it gives a vibe that you're more prob-empire scum.
I wasn't saying she may be JabbaScum, I was saying the bounties shouldn't weigh into the ScumHunting process either way.In p471, I wrote:
This. I feel that the bounty is Null at best.ooba wrote:Think its stupid to classify anyone as townie just because they have a bounty on them. If its a faction thing, I can easily see scum putting a bounty on one of their own to make people think like this.
That's fair. I guess bv and LynchMy main problem is that you did not add anything about SoG in your post.didmention him, even if it was only to say that they're less into a sog Lynch than a Scott Lynch. Check that, Lynch talked about him much more in depth in his catch-up/break-down and bv is all but confirmed. Point conceded.
Your point b) is actually what I was getting at when I asked Kast about his 'one-liner'. A player coming back from a Night congratulating the Scum for a good Kill is suspucious to me. I'm not sure how I warrant suspicion for sniffing at this Tell. I also would like to point out here that while he is pretty obvTown, he'sIf a particular person chooses to go out of the way and focus on a particular line of another player's line, I attribute two reasons to it
a) The second player is actually scum with the first and just wanted to say something to his scumbuddy. (check out RC's posts - if I remember he address WS once or twice when there was no need for it). Since it was kast, this was not the case here.
b) The second player had something to do with the topic in question i.e if it was about night kills, then it could be a subconscious form of scum gloating (or) a doc commenting on somebody else's theory about lack of night kills etc.notconfirmed. I don't agree with your sentiment of "Since it was kast, this was not the case here."
1/2 or 2/5, same difference. Way to debate over minutiae.1/2? The only people he missed out by not giving any kind of comments were AGM, LMP, Slicey and me.
I kind of did call him out for Lurking. Reread p897, please. Also, even if I hadn'tWell, its relevant because of not who you called out for lurking, who you choose not to call out to too. Why not call out TF? The only case where I could understand a specific lurker case call out is if you had posted a case or had questions for him; which was lacking in your post.specificallycalled him out for Lurking {as opposed to calling him on not ScumHunting and/or helping the Town, read- Active Lurking}, I had a stronger case against him than just Lurking, active or normal-type. I believe an actual case > mere Lurking charges.
Be that as it may, it still doesn't sit well with me. She had no knowledge other than honest suspicion. We shouldn't be giving her suspicions undue weight. Please note my dissenting opinion.Well she had konowa as scum (RC's predecessor) - that might have given him a bit of a jolt. I was linking this to the fact that she was night killed; I think it was due to her suspicions because there were superior kills.
I'll give you this. However, I feel that of the cases you built, the one on AGM seemed by far the weakest {even moreso than the completely incorrect one on me }. My next point fleshes this out a bit more.1) Reducing my case on AGM to a mere "lurker" one is laughable
See my earlier in-game rants about speculation that we cannot possibly know. I feel it's dangerous to bank on stuff like this. If we could know this as fact {even to a 75% certainty} I'd agree. In reality, we have no real way of knowing.2) It makes more sense to go for possible Jabba scum (assuming 3 vs 3) since that would reduce a night kill in the night
Warning: blatant self-declared AntiTown random speculation follows...
Hell, we could potentially have already snuffed out Jabba's team and the 'swallowed' Scum is a Sarlacc/Rancor SK that gains an NK when Jabba's dead. And before anyone brings Occam into this, the Razor has nothing to do with the probable number of Scum on a particular team.
Personally, I see more merit in going after the most probable Scum because of these reasons. Like I said, I see merit to your opinion, I just don't agree it's the best course of action.
Um... dan's Claim? Like I said, it's not completely unbelievable and it's definitely a game changer for the time being. Especially weighing into the mix is TF's completely unwarranted, bs, and rather scummy SoftClaim.What changed between then and now for you to think that the TF wagon is the superior one?
I love this! Although if I wereMy point being – it was very good flavor wise – d*x had already claimed to be a star wars nerd earlier in the thread and his post of avoiding a quicklynch give me a vibe that he had a role to play In preparing that FC.thatgood, I'd have damn sure built a better FalseClaim for myself than Wicket: VT extraordinaire! I know, I know, WIFOM. I just swell with nerd pride and Kthx is sure to come in here swinging the 'it sure sounds like d3x' stick! Lol...
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/headdesk
When did this become the Newbie Queue?
@Everyone- Stop the freaking Claiming for no reason.
Allow me to define 'no reason'. Unless you are at L-1 or 2, you should not Claim. {PR with with a solid lead on Scum not-withstanding} For those who don't understand why this is really poor play, allow me to explain. We have PRs. The Mafia{s} want to Kill those PRs. The job a VT is to soak up NKs so we keep our PRs. Claiming VT narrows down the amount of targets. And no, FalseClaiming VT as a Town PR isn't good either. When it comes time to Claim {to secure a Town Win with a Guilty read for example} the Town won't believe you b/c you Claimed VT. But don't just believe what I have to say on the subject. Read this game for a great set of examples on this.
Now back to the game...
@TF- Your SoftClaim did nothing and was not helpful. People will either believe my Claim or not believe it based solely on its own. And this...
I can only assume that you believe this based on Cry's breadcrumbing Yoda and the reaction it elicited. This doesn't work if you do it under duress. The reason Cry's breadcrumbing was good is that it was done ridiculous early when he didn't have to.Also, I am being bandwagonned, so, if it comes to a point when you want me to fully claim, that was a setup for it.
Why don't you like dan's Claim?
Please read my @Everyone above. If you're telling the truth, you're making this easier on the Scum teams.Finally, my softclaim was very soft, and I don't think scum would deduce anything important from that.
@dan- You're calling people out for leaving my Wagon, right? Considering AGM and DP are your other top Scum reads, do you think we're all 3 on a single Scum Team? Would this be a 3rd Team or would one of the others have 3 members left alive?
@vezo- Any specific reasons why you think what you think? I also would very much like a straight answer to TF1037 from you. You read 36 pages but cba to read the last 6? And PbPAs take a lot longer then just reading. You also miss a hell of a lot. Reconcile these two, as I don't think you adequately have.
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Do you have meta to support that TF plays differently as Scum?I personally don't think TF is scum because he plays like this as town
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What?!You must be trying to get rid of d3x for whatever reason, making me think you are scum.
What?!Thank you captain obvious. You make me look good now that I'm not the biggest idiot here.
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Congratulation. Now say why you find them suspicious.As for my scum reads. I said who I find suspicious.
vezo1042 is crazy-scummy. Why aren't you Voting anyone?
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@vezo- Do you plan on responding to me? Just let me know if you aren't.I wrote:Why don't you like dan's Claim?-
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We have ~3 RL days left. I don't like the amount of scummy players that have jumped onto the supremely easy vezo Lynch, but as there are 2 Scum Teams I'll just have to swallow it this time. vezo is ridiculously scummy and clearly the most viable Lynch today. I weep for the future...
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