Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)
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I'm seriously at a loss here. The issue is that she is a thread to both teams and it benefits each team to let the OTHER team waste the lynch/kill on her.
So I don't know. I'm kind of leaning towards Benmage's logic that keeping her alive is high-risk high-reward and we don't necessarily need that. We're in a favorable position with the current flips and that Benmage will likely be able to get some nights of results back.-
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In post 1467, Yates wrote:You still never answered my question. Why didn't scum/SK Tammy shoot you instead of ThAd?
Because SK Tammy shooting COP BEN gets power lynched so hard she doesn't know what hit her. Duh??
The ONLY play for SK Tammy is to kind of go along with trying to look like a Dayvig.-
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Wow, I do not know what to make of this recent explosion.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tammy
Fine. I'm sold on the logic that it IS a high-risk/reward scenario (proof: Mastin is right that she provides a 2nd lynch, Ben is right that she isn't exactly trustworthy) that we dont necessarily need given that we are in a good situation. And I do not see why scum would kill her because the same logic applies: "Why NK her when the town will lynch her? Why lynch her when the scum team will NK her? Why ..." And if she was shot at last night, then she IS BP.
Mastin is still not scum.
Yates V Acosmist. I need to look at this more carefully when I have time.
Yates, you quoted my point earlier that she has to be an SK because otherwise she knows Ben is lying and would have shot him and said something about "exactly, this is my point blah blah" but you are still holding onto the opinion that she isn't an SK. Im confused.
Acosmist's motivation for wanting Tammy gone is clear (PGO or Scum). I don't see why scum Yates would do what he is doing here unless he is trying to buddy up to Mastin? But Mastin already has him as a townread, so IDK.
P-edit: KK, what is your read on Acosmist and Yates?-
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Not really though. It comes down to WIFOM.
"I am the dayvig and I have a townread on Acosmist. I don't care if you lynch me, Im shooting prob scum."DayKill:Day SK: Blood Covenent or something
"See if I were an SK I would have had to comply, yadda yadda"
I think the guilty is good enough. Occam's razor means Tammy is scum and needs to die.-
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In post 1639, PeregrineV wrote:Did you share the message or its contents/sender with Nero?
This. Do that if you haven't.-
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In post 1656, PeregrineV wrote:Seriously, you know that if you are town that unless we knock out all the scum pretty early, you have to die because of your claim WIFOM, right?
And that's some of the reason people are irritated with you late day1 and early day2, because they expect more from a townie in your position.
I'm suddenly ok with a PV lynch.-
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In post 1659, PeregrineV wrote:In post 1658, AngryPidgeon wrote:In post 1656, PeregrineV wrote:Seriously, you know that if you are town that unless we knock out all the scum pretty early, you have to die because of your claim WIFOM, right?
And that's some of the reason people are irritated with you late day1 and early day2, because they expect more from a townie in your position.
I'm suddenly ok with a PV lynch.
Does this mean you disagree with one or both of these statements?
No one has to die because of claim WIFOM. Do you think he is town or do you think he is scum? This PL all millers BS is almost always scum motivated.
And you are restating several peoples opinions to accomplish what? Im sure Acosmist is well aware that people are frustrated with his lack of participation. I flat out said I'd be willing to vote him for refusing to participate.
He at least appears to be trying today unlike the time frame you mentioned where he was basically saying "Ben is scum, hurrrr vote me"
So, do you think hes scum or not? The "He has to die for claiming PGO at some point" opinion is horrible.-
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Tamy. Everyone is an unknown. Having everyone or even SOMEONE confirmed in a LyLo is very nice. But how is Acosmist different than a VT claim? If the VT claim isn't confirmed then you have 2 people, 2 claims, neither confirmed. Why does the PGO have to go before LyLo?
P-edit: Ive never played with a PGO. Wouldn't that be OP if he could sponge a scum NK, kill the scum and NOT die?-
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I guess it 'guarantees' he gets to LyLo for better for for worse, but I still don't think that justifies a PL. If he is playing scummy -> lynch him. If he isn't -> don't. What other roles do I have this policy for? Oh, RIGHT, ALL of them! Gosh silly me.
PV: So, read on Acosmist??
What did you misunderstand?
P-edit: LOL. Ya Tammy, you should have shot Ben, what were you thinking.-
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In post 1679, Benmage wrote:Just got back from gym.
FLEX YOUR BICEPS FOR US BEN.
But seriously I need to start going. I used to go at lucnh time, but there is no 24 hour in pleasanton. And I hate going at night.-
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In post 1713, Yates wrote:You're right. I forgot I moved my vote from BC to AP for uncomfortable buddying
[img=http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploa ... parrot.jpg]But I love you Yates.[/img]-
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Tammy is getting lynched. There isn't enough support for another wagon. And Shes conf-scum.
In post 1735, pidgey wrote:Why is tammy still alive
Welcome to HPATPL Mafia, where the scumreads are made up and the votes don't matter! Thats right the votes don't matter!
@Nero. Read it in context. Or don't. Its not that complicated of a point. And it really doesn't matter because the Tammy flip is a scum flip, and will also have the added bonus of resolving multiball spec for us!
I love how you called her scummy then also suggest Ben could be fakeclaiming. God. Keep your options more open, Nero! And you are NOW suspicious of Mastin? Not when he opened the Day by buddying you really hard? And started shoving wagons for dubious points all over?-
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In post 1764, Elscouta wrote:We need people realizing that in the absurdly low chance that we are in a multiball with a group with daykill, no sane mafia group will accept that the town directs his kill.
This is a good point actually. But I'm still weary about her not shooting BC for that reason. And Tammy hasn't outright said she will let us decide.
In post 1782, mastin2 wrote:However, Aco and Zoro are both scum. Who the rest of the team are can be sorted out on future days. It's probably within those names, and I'd give heavy scrutiny to the Tammy wagon, which is (put bluntly) incredibly scumdriven.
Why are you more sure of the Aco read? I don't remember you caring too much about him.
In post 1786, mastin2 wrote:Also, WC's blown any towncred BC had.
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In post 1798, Benmage wrote:You're also stagnating the game with an issue that will cause a total smokescreen for which scum will hide behind. Tammy will be a recurring issue, today tomorrow, etc until she dies.
This is the reason I'm not moving my vote today. Today has degraded into a circlejerk of debating the risk/rewards of Tammy and the debate itself is anti-town. Lynch her and end it.-
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Ya, this whole situation is getting absurd. Everyone is just derping and vomiting accusations into the thread because people are/aren't voting the way they want.
KK: Honestly, have you been able to scumhunt at all today given that everyone is just being dumb? Why would you start a counterwagon right now to divide everyone even more? Tammy is the only lynch that won't stagnate the discussion on bullshit like this in the future. As long as Tammy is alive, the lynches are going to be shit.
P-edit: Ya KK needs to die Tomorrow.-
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In post 1837, pidgey wrote:If we dont lynch tammy I bet we will have the exact same arguments until the end of the game.
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In post 1848, Kublai Khan wrote:Pushing the idea that she must be BP and so we should lynch her is a scummy argument.
Misrep. I'm legitimalte asking you. WHEN do we lynch her then? you keep saying that if she isn't lynched today, then the discussion ends and everyone is happy. Wrong. Unless you think scum are going to NK her, she WILL be here and she WILL distract from actually playing the game.-
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In post 1953, Kublai Khan wrote:"Tammy could be BP!"
-- Wild (anti-town) speculation. Who the fuck is crying over the idea of scum shooting kevlar?
Strawman. My point is that the scumteam will likely never kill her. As long as she is alive, we will probably have these arguments nonstop. And they are distracting from scum. You said that her not dying today stops the argument, which is cute. I don't know what makes you think that, but that is a huge assumption to make. And when DO we lynch her then? She isn't just going to resolver herself nicely like you keep implying.
"Tammy won't listen and will shoot wildly!"
-- Tammy doesn't have a choice. We don't need her permission for this. We point. She shoots. Or she dies.
Yes she does. She can say anything as long as she backs it up with "Im not shhoting X, I have a townread there. Im town so I wont shoot town". And if she IS on a team, then she absolutely will shoot whoever she wants before going out.
"We must lynch a guilty result!"
-- Dogmatic thinking is the shittiest reason to do anything. Stop playing mafia is this is your argument.
"We have to deal with the SK"
-- So does scum. Especially if the SK is helping town.
"She could be part of a faction!"
-- Great. We control that faction's kill while Tammy is alive. What's the problem?
Except we don't. If she is in a faction, she will trade herself for Benmage sooner than later because she can't risk outing a buddy by being told to shoot them.
Am I missing anything? Why is town still on Tammy's wagon?
The debates are anti-town and accomplish nothing. Tammy will not resolve herself nicely like you think. She could be on a team which giver her tons of motivation to go rogue sooner than later.
Mykonian, why do you think MoI is scum?-
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