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I don't agree with any of nancy's scumreads
I don't have the time or energy to double-check Vecna's case, I'l just put my trust in him. Of interest to me is that davesaz claims to have scumreads in this game but hasn't had a vote out all day. He also had LUV as an (unexplained) scumread alongside ABR in his D2 reads list but the scumread seems to have disappeared since.
VOTE: davesaz"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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The ones in 9110. I don't know what your current reads are if those are just hypothetical.In post 9136, nancy wrote:
Which ones? The ones I was looking at if Aslan were scum, or the earlier ones?In post 9135, Leonshade wrote:I don't agree with any of nancy's scumreads
I'm not just blindly sheeping you, I did check dave's ISO in this game. He has expressed scumreads this game, including during this day, but hasn't gone after them or even backed his words up with a vote. You being wrong about one read doesn't make you wrong about everything, and I at least trust your alignment here.In post 9138, Vecna wrote:
Why would you flawlessly trust my judgement after that ABR faillure?In post 9135, Leonshade wrote:I don't agree with any of nancy's scumreads
I don't have the time or energy to double-check Vecna's case, I'l just put my trust in him. Of interest to me is that davesaz claims to have scumreads in this game but hasn't had a vote out all day. He also had LUV as an (unexplained) scumread alongside ABR in his D2 reads list but the scumread seems to have disappeared since.
VOTE: davesaz
I don't really want to lynch Caesar today and there isn't a better wagon for me to hop on. dave isn't my ideal wagon but I'm not getting CloudKicker or Skies today."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I know why you have him as lock town (the Drixx thing), I simply disagree.In post 9151, Alisae wrote:@LeonI really, really like BaeReed's read on the Sondam hydra and I trust that a lot and I trust my TR on BaeReed a lot.
As for Nero, I'm locktowning him because honestly, I think he's one of the few make that make sense right now.
I'm puzzled as to why you aren't asking why Brian is locked town. Weren't you pushing him earlier?
Also before I answer your nancy question,@nancyIf you're going to do a serious push on me, do it in your next post, or go back to townreading me.
JaeReed's Sondam read is based on Maria and gerry preferring scum, right? They've been phoning it in here so that's actually not a bad reason to TR them, I've certainly known that about the Maria head of Sondam.
Nero I'm leaning town on, but locking him in for making sense, nah. It would be easy for scum to make sense since they know what's going on."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I fear that this is true (Dave being a lurker mislynch whose town flip gives us nothing), but I have hard TRs on all of the most active players. Five percent of me is paranoid that I'm snowed by Vecna here, but him questioning me for sheeping him on dave felt like town paranoia so I don't think that's the case. LUV isn't lock town for me, but I trust my TRs who say this isn't their scum game and it certainly matches my limited experience of town LUV. You, nancy, Creature and Ali are lock town, and Nero is a townlean.In post 9156, MathBlade wrote:This is literally the same thing as Beeboy was. Beeboy wasn't doing enough activity to make people happy so they got lynched when the posting they posted felt opportunistic because they agreed with prior points. Davesaz is not posting as much so ya'll are running him up. Look at Gistou. He was ACTIVE.
I think scum is just coasting this game, but at that point it feels like shooting in the dark as to who's scum here."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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That's a decent post, but lock town?In post 9159, Alisae wrote:No I don't have him locked town for that, I have him locked town for 9048 because that is a really good post.
For Nero right now they're bleeding town to me."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Some scum want to stay off mislynch wagons for towncred. But I won't blame you for TRing someone who matches your thoughts.
What do you think of CK, Ali? I think I'd rather lynch him than dave."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I had a couple issues with Kyouko, nothing about Cloudie has swayed me one way or another thus far.
I don't know, there's nobody that is screaming scum this game. Even Skies has points going for him now."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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@CloudKicker: I've talked about my scumread on Kyouko before, the fact that you haven't been openly scummy hasn't made me reconsider my read.
You seem to be confbiasing your scumread on me based on a couple posts. It's almost too obvious, like you're trying to come off as confbiased town (and you even go for the self-aware/pre-emptive defense on your OMGUS so you know what you're doing)."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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You have a point about the dissonance between pretending to be confbias vs. your OMGUS comment, though once again you're self-aware about it.
My initial impression reading your case was that you were confbiasing yourself, but since you were making it so obvious that you were only focusing on a couple of my posts and seemingly ignoring the rest.
This post especially looks fake, you already quoted the post in 9196 and now you're quoting it again to list off a bunch of confbias reasons for why you're becoming more convinced about your scumread. It's like you were staring at my last 10 posts to list reasons to call me scum as opposed to trying to read me.In post 9203, CloudKicker wrote:
The more i read leons the more obvious it gets that hes mefia. Scumexcuses, ill put my trust in him is also a buddy line wich leads to vecna being town and vecna also stated earlier that hes a sucker for being buddied and that leon is a blindspot, as i read it he has meta with leon where he couldnt read him correctly. Hes talking about unexplained reads when hes not explaining hisIn post 9135, Leonshade wrote:I don't agree with any of nancy's scumreads
Idon't have the time or energy to double-check Vecna's case,I'l just put my trust in him. Of interest to me is that davesaz claims to have scumreads in this game but hasn't had a vote out all day. He also had LUV as an (unexplained) scumread alongside ABR in his D2 reads list but the scumread seems to have disappeared since.
VOTE: davesaz
I haven't interacted with many people during the time since you replaced in, I've been largely disengaged for large chunks of D3. I have no reason to change my read on your slot just because you replaced in, Kyouko scummy + you null = slot still scummy."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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EBWOP.In post 9232, Leonshade wrote: My initial impression reading your case was that you were confbiasing yourself, but since you were making it so obvious that you were only focusing on a couple of my posts and seemingly ignoring the rest, it made me think that you were trying to look like you're doing so on purpose."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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You make a claim like this even though it would be trivial to check my ISO to see that I've stated my reads on both Kyouko and dave. I've been pretty transparent about my reads in general, yet your case is just looking at my posts from the last day or two, not seeing me explain my reads in those posts and concluding that I'm not explaining my reads.In post 9188, CloudKicker wrote:
This whole post is textbook scum, talks about third party hypothetic scum behaviors, "wont blame you for tring someone who matches your thoughts" is an obnoxious buddy line,In post 9163, Leonshade wrote:Some scum want to stay off mislynch wagons for towncred. But I won't blame you for TRing someone who matches your thoughts.
What do you think of CK, Ali?I think I'd rather lynch him than dave.Hes trying to derail the wagon on dave onto me even tho he outed 0 reads on eithers slots AFAIK, hes asking for alisae to out their reads on my slots, while not outing theirs, as to fuel a possible wagon. This is imo mefia vs town interactions same with the buddy line"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I've been coasting because I tried to push my top SR in Skies and nobody cared to join my wagon, or even comment on my case besides saying that Skies is town because of one post from Drixx. The top wagons of today could flip scum, but I'm largely apathetic about them and only joining the wagons because I want the day to be over.
Kyouko's jump on the beeboy wagon was really bad and he never jumped off it since, that's why I'm scumlean on your slot. Point against that is that he was largely inactive a couple days after he jumped on beeboy , so he wouldn't have had time to switch wagons anyway.
You could just be confbiased town, attributing a cunning scum plan to your case is a bit of a stretch. I'm way more confident in my townreads this game, my only scumreads are you and Skies."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Assuming both Caesar and dave are town, my PoE is down to {Gin, CloudKicker, Maxous, Skies}. First TRs I'll reconsider are Sondam and Yuri. I still sorta like Senpai's defense of Sondam, but there could be other NAI reasons for their lack of activity, or they could just be coasting until there's less players. Yuri I remember being really active leading up to his lynch, but he's mostly been a non-factor afterwards."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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A non-TR lynch would be a victory at this point.
LUV's play isn't great but he just looks apathetic more than scummy. I remember wanting to push LUV from Smackdown Mafia if I wouldn't have gotten drafted."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Nobody's going to "wake up" if we no lynch, it's just going to foster even more apathy.
Kyouko's jump on beeboy was garbage.In post 9674, MathBlade wrote:
I have four people I scumread and a lot I townread and a couple that could fit into the last likely spot. Cloud or I don't see being scum.In post 9658, Leonshade wrote:Kyouko was one of the three major wagons D2, why has the slot received so little attention today? Lots of people townread Vecna, does anyone TR Cloudie? If not, why is the slot ignored?
kyouko was a policy lurker lynch no one had reasons."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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It makes no sense to vote beeboy for this.In post 753, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
He says in 453 Nero is null though. "Don't think you're scum" doesn't mean he thinks they're town. Could be sorting themIn post 679, beeboy wrote:
453 was really far from anything alignment indicative even if he agreed with it. Fake read is a weird af accusation to make towards a town read.In post 674, Akane and Nebby wrote:
Because?In post 672, beeboy wrote:
I didn't like these.In post 646, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Fake read like I thought.In post 644, Sondam wrote:I did sr uzi but then I went to sleep and forgot what the sr was for....eh
VOTE: Max
Btw Vecna I don't really see that but then again you were around with him longer what are the dif's you're seeing?
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VOTE: beeboy"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Why do you TR Cloud?In post 9698, Nero Cain wrote:but Maria and Gerry do coast as scum unless they have shored up their game....
I'm also light town reading Cloud.
I don't have any scum meta with Maria or Gerry, I was trusting Senpai on that. If they coast as scum I'm willing to string them up here."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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VOTE: Nay
The info isn't all that useful, and we can make people claim it anyway if we really want to know.
Sondam was going to be lynched with or without my vote, I merely sped up the process.Alisae wrote:Oh yeah btw I'm pretty sure Leon is scum now considering his Sondam vote."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Nobody wanted to go for my top tier choices, nor did anybody want to listen to my defense (or rather, JaeReed's defense) of Sondam. I was starting to get paranoid of the slot myself, so I didn't mind them getting lynched, even if they were not an ideal choice. I think Dave is town here, and I was fine with lynching Sondam instead of Dave. Today I would like to lynch in CloudKicker/Brian/Caesar, maybe Gin (currently KidAmn IIRC)."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Yeah, looks like it!In post 9827, Gorkington wrote:im pretty sure its me you want to maybe lynch.
Zero deaths with a vig in play is weird, I think the scum either has the vig, or a doc."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Talking about lynches, not NKs.In post 9829, Gorkington wrote:
how do you get a dead person to claim thingsIn post 9823, Leonshade wrote:The info isn't all that useful, and we can make people claim it anyway if we really want to know.
I don't think fakeclaims are likely in this setup, as scum would risk a town counterclaim if they fakeclaimed having a wonder."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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What's the argument for yea, besides "makes fakeclaims a bit harder", when fakeclaims are unlikely in this setup anyway? Town receives minimal benefit, whereas scum know which wonders are in play that they didn't build."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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In post 8788, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
VOTE: NeroIn post 8757, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Nero. Why. Would. Math. Claim. To. Have. That. Wonder.
The Nero vote looks forced.In post 9746, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Starting from I think 9514, I got bad vibes from Sondom, as if he wanted to drown out the accusations against him chanting the same mantra instead of disproving what went against him. The fact if the matter is that the behavior didn't change so I don't see it as a gimmick but as a deflection technique.
Lunch break post, if you have a case on Sondom that's not just because he's not around, quote it or reference it so I can make my own determinations.
VOTE: Sondom
The jump on Sondam over-justifies the vote, and the reasoning reeks of looking for reasons to lynch as opposed to trying to sort someone. I expect better from town!Gin than jumping over such low-hanging fruit.
@Gorkington:Thoughts on the above?"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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In post 9956, Gorkington wrote:why is that useful though?
my opinion is inherently skewed in a way thats literally just going to be me saying "yup thats town because reason because i know its true".
theres no objectivity there.
theres also that i feel like its a waste of time to iso my own slot, figure out what the mindframe was, just to justify actions that i will never be able to fully represent properly because i dont know what he was thinking.
you would rather me do that than read other people and give thoughts there?
Bolded looks LAMIST.In post 9969, Gorkington wrote:
im not going to.cloud wrote:You can do both
deal with it.
you can either choose for me to wiffle around in my own slot's iso to pointlessly justify his behavioror i can play the game, actually give a shit and drive gamestate.
but actually you dont get to choose im doing the latter.
I didn't ask you to justify your predecessor's actions or waffle through his ISO, I asked you for thoughts. You wrote a lot of words explaining why it would be useless for you to respond to my question, but zero questioning my motives for asking such a supposedly useless question. You just replaced in and don't seem to have a read on me, could I not be scum pretending to scumhunt with useless questions?"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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So you're gonna stick to this "too scummy"/fluff thing? Gin did the same thing.In post 10065, Gorkington wrote:
oh dangit are my posts not seeming very town?In post 10063, Nero Cain wrote:Whats stopping you?
hm.
i'll try and readjust.
do you have any suggestions for me?
"Why would scum keep doing it if they're getting SR'd for it?"
Precisely so people think that. Why would town keep playing in a way that gets them scumread? Town would try to fix their play, it's scum that would go for this WIFOM.
Forced. How do you know that Ali's reads might be unreliable, if you haven't read the game?In post 10068, Gorkington wrote:youre leaning town.
seems like youre angry.
and frustration usually builds unreliable reads.
i would suggest sitting on it and coming back to it because im not really going to find anything compelling in what youre pushing there atm."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Explain.
Trusting you is the only reason I didn't want to lynch Caesar yesterday, but based on your current reads I'm not sure I can trust your judgment on Caesar, either.In post 10133, Alisae wrote:OMGAWD LUV CEASAR IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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My play being different from Code Geass does not equal me being scum here. In Code Geass we were doing really well, I was confident in my reads and I was successful in pushing lynches. This game has been the opposite in all of those, and large chunks of the game has been my townreads fighting with each other.
{Alisae, Creature, MathBlade, nancy, Vecna}
The above is the top tier of my townreads, I'm confident enough in them that I'd need a guilty to change my read.
{Lil Uzi Vert, Nero Cain, NoticeMeSenpai,}
Second tier, possible but unlikely scum.
{davesaz, Maxous, KidAmn, CloudKicker}
Null/mixed tier, there's scum here but I'm not sure where. Note that CloudKicker's climbed up to this tier, what I had on Kyouko was weak and my scumread on CK might have been confbias.
{Brian Skies, Caesar Wills It}
Scumlean, don't understand the townreads here and I would be surprised if both of them flipped town.
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Top suspect at the moment.
Most of the suspicion is/has been going to my townreads (and now me), and I've been unsuccessful in convincing others of their towniness. Especially my top tier seems like obvious town to me, yet few are united in seeing the same things as I am. All of my top tier townies also have one or more of my townreads as one of their top scumreads. The town is imploding in my eyes, and I don't see anyone pushing the lynches I actually want. That's why I've been so apathetic.
Pre-flip associative tells are garbage, claiming that I'm being bussed before a single one of my "bussers" or anyone else in this game has flipped scum is ridiculous. In general, pretending to have the scumteam figured out when there have only been town flips thus far is either arrogant or disingenuous.
nancy, your read WIFOM is not hindering scum, it mostly serves to confuse and distract townies. You're obvtown to me because of Spiffeh's replace out, but the people calling you out for your weird play are townreads as well. I would guess that most scum are avoiding saying anything negative about you, since pushing your lynch would be too risky.
Creature, your townreads tend to be pretty reliable in general, but nobody's going to listen to you if all you do is snipe people on the sidelines and call town players bad. If you've got reads you trust, work with who you townread and push them.
I'm a vanilla townie. I tried to build Petra (tracker wonder) D2 and the double cop wonder D3.
That's my last will in case I get lynched. I hope it's not."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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How so?In post 10580, nancy wrote:HOLY FUCK GORK IS CLEARLY A MISLYNCH"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I mean simply stating that two people are TvS without an opinion on which is which is nonsense (tho not sure if Ali's doing that or just stating his reads in a roundabouy way), since if you acknowledge either side can be town, both can be, but Ali has not played today as if he has a 100% result on either you or Senpai.
He's voted me and KidAmn today, if he WAS softing that result his play today would be really suspect."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Your reading comprehension needs work, I'm expressing skepticism if nancy's points on you.In post 10598, Alisae wrote:
This is a daily reminder that this is scum trying to find a way to wiggle out of their TR on me.In post 10595, Leonshade wrote:Would like to see this supposed rolefishing by Ali, def don't interpret that post you quoted as that.
I've got time tp phonepost for an hour if you want to bring sonething to my attentipn."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Let me know why. Had a scumlean on Skies and a townlean on Nero.
Willing to do a soft reset on my less confident reads since I've been garbage this game. My previous top townreads still stand."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Nero: everything about your reads has been off all game. I ignored it because I had you linked with ABR and he flipped town, but there has to have been scum in the active players and I'm townreadinf prettt much all thw others. You've been the voice od discord in this game and a big part of why town's been conflicted.
More when it's not 3 AM."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I know, it's part of why I TR'd you.
But your reads and play this game don't make sense to me and I think town!Nero would see the game mire similar to me here. And you've been agaimst so many of my townreads and causing discord under the radar which I ignoeed since ABR was doing it even worse than you
You've blatantly been trying to get towncred and throwing shade on people for being on the first two mislynches so why am I PoE town when I was on all the mislynches with less convicyion?"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Full disclosure, I was somewhat following and thinking about this game during my absence. I came to the conclusion that while I could trust my locktown, there had to be flaws in my reads. My PoE scumpool made no sense, so I had to have scum in my townreads. Brian Skies was a pretty lynchbaity player, and while I was frustrated that he was being townread for reasons I didn't see at all, most of the players townreading him were in my lock-town list. After that push on Nero, especially if Nero flips scum, RC is almost certainly town here. There would be no reason to bus Nero in this game state.
The big reason for why I've sucked at this game thus far is that my playstyle was thrown off so hard by the huge arguments and in-fighting between Math/Titus, ABR and other townies. I felt like I was constantly either trying to catch up, or trying to convince my lock-town reads to get off each other and onto whomever felt scummy to me, but was being ignored.
I can't remember how my townlean of Nero came about, but Nero being scum here makes so much sense to me. When Math, Creature, nancy and Vecna were all fighting with each other, I was ignoring Nero being part of the discord since all the townies were also contributing to it. But I think there absolutely has to have been scum stirring the shit along with the townies, and Nero is by far the best candidate for that.
Nero's AtE and self-vote is really scummy, especially for the above reason. I also hated him responding to my scumread of him with "who will you lynch when I flip town". That's not town trying to convince a townread of his that he's town, that's scum trying to make me doubt my read.In post 11434, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like you said the me math and nancy were all scum so that leaves only like 2 town votes on you?
For the people weirded out by my earlier posts about Nero, check my timezone. I was lying in bed between 2-3 AM suffering from insomnia and reading this game, and I had the realization that Nero is scum. I was phoneposting, so a lot of my points were rambling. I was trying to express intuition with words in the heat of the moment. Now that I've had more time to think about that, I'm still confident that Nero is scum."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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It's also well within his town meta.In post 11469, Nero Cain wrote:RC strong arming a lynch based on little or no evidence is well within his scum meta.
and this is manipulative as fuck.In post 11376, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also there's a simple BOP here. Nero was good enough to correctly call me scum when I powerlynched him in the NY we played. In this game his scumpool is
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Town has been conflicted and in-fighting, and while a big part of that has been due to town egos clashing, you've been part of it all along, causing arguments instead of helping the game be solved.Nero Cain wrote:What "shit" was I stirring?
I don't think you've been scumhunting, I think you've been throwing shade at poorly/weirdly playing townies. A big part that stuck out to me (that I poorly made during the night) was when during D3 you were calling people like Math scummy/bad for being on both mislynches. You're experienced enough to know that mislynches frequently happen, especially on D1/D2. I thought that was a really bad reason for calling them scummy at the time, but I ignored it because I was townleaning you for reasons I don't remember.
I need to go through your ISO to see everything I've been ignoring from you."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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To answer your question about who's scum if you're town, Nero, if you're not the scum in my townreads, I think one of Vecna/LUV has to be. They're my only strong townreads that aren't 100% locked in. Especially Vecna has been a big part of the town in-fighting. And there has to have been scum stirring the shit to reach this game state.
But my Vecna townread is much stronger than the one I had on you ever was, if they're scum their play has been exceptional."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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I've been assuming that everyone who was active and going at each other during D1/D2 was town, that's why I've had so much trouble with this game. That's not how mafia works. There's been coasting scum this game, but I've also had at least one scum in my strong townreads.
Have you ever played with town!RC before? If you have, I don't buy for a second that you haven't seen town!RC do things exactly like that.In post 11688, Nero Cain wrote:
Like this is ATE-y manipulative stuff. I mean he wasIn post 11333, RadiantCowbells wrote:Notice how as soon as I'm in the scum brigade starts throwing their votes around and trying to develop new wagons while not actually addressing that wagon?
That's not a coincidence.OBVIOUSLYtalking about Creature and Vecna but calling them the "scum brigade" is only being used to garner a response."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Huuuuuge stretch, at least try to come up with genuine reasons to SR me.In post 11690, Nero Cain wrote:
There are 5 scum in this game and you have 2 scum reads when I flip town?In post 11687, Leonshade wrote:I think one of Vecna/LUV has to be.
"Nero is scum"
"shit guys he flipped town. It has to be one of LUV or Vecna."
"SHIT THEY FLIPPED TOWN SO IT MUST BE THE OTHER ONE"
How convent that scum need exactly 3 mislynches to win. Things that make you go hrmmmmm....
Zero faith in the kind of VCA Titus or nancy like to do. Coloring in flipped players and your reads can help debunk ridiculous scumteams, I think that's about it.In post 11691, Nero Cain wrote:Leon, serious question. What is your stance on VCA?"I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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Big difference between arguments and being argumentative. I think you've been throwing shade and working to cause arguments, rather than trying to find scum.
I've been trying to find the coasting scum all game, but I don't know who they are. The lurker/coasting pool is
{Caesar, davesaz, Maxous, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Gorkington}
All of those slots either are coasting/lurking, or were doing so D1/D2. Senpai has also been coasting, but he's town because of his hard defense of Creature.
If you don't assume I'm scum, why assume that both Vecna and LUV are mislynches? Also, your post was clearly throwing shade on me:In post 11694, Nero Cain wrote:
If I thought you were scum and not just bad I'd of been voting you. Why assume you are getting scumread?In post 11692, Leonshade wrote:Huuuuuge stretch, at least try to come up with genuine reasons to SR me.
If I'm just bad, why is me having two more mislynch reads convenient?How convent that scum need exactly 3 mislynches to win. Things that make you go hrmmmmm...."I still cant believe Leonshade just talked his way out of getting lynched by posting Lion King gifs"
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