Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MathBlade]

Albert B. Rampage (10): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies
ssbm_Kyouko (6): Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Coming back to the end of the day if Yuri is scum then that's two wagons on town at the end of the day. This makes Sondam, NoticeMeSenpai, and Elbrin would have one scum in it, if any.
So any team with NoticeMeSenpai and Elbrin in it together is probably wrong.

You put too much trust on scum teammembers not parking their vote on eachother. Parking it on eachother there while this big TvT shitfest in me vs ABR is going on is a quite likely scum strategy since itll look better on them later on when people like you do this type of VCA.

Scum have 0 reason to bus here and had 0 reason to bus on day one. The argument between me and Titus was center stage. If I'm right on at least some of my scumreads then they wouldn't bus. Very few of the people alive still actually bus.

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Ok so short to do list; see if a team composition can be made that makes some sense with voting/behaviour around the day 1/2 wagons. Update the two team/tiers.

Check into that SSBM iso to see if my initial idea chops wood.

And day three too...Gee that sounds like you're trying to beat my VCA I wish you all the luck in the world because you're going to need it. At least you admit your teams don't make sense now. Saves me a shit ton of effort trying to convince everyone else.

THIS POST IS A SCUM CLAIM FROM VECNA!!!!!!!!!!

[MathBlade]

Townlocks;

Nancy
Alisae
Math
LUV
Vecna
Jaereed?
DaveSaz? (will have to read up as well to see if he indeed is the obv Chichen-guy since I missed that)

TEAM 1:
Nero Cain - interesting to see if this team also makes sense without Nero potentially
Cloudkicker
Gorkington - could be scum pissed at being scumread for the wrong reasons by being incorrectly linked to Leon
Ceasar
(Yuri)

TEAM 2:
Leonshade
Maxous
Creature
(Gorkington)
(Yuri) think this fits here as well
(RC)

Something along these lines.....No Math, I did not check yet whether this all makes 100% sense with everything that has happened this game.

Are you going to make me rip this to shreds again? Seriously?

Those teams are also still very horrible.

You've also omitted certain people like nancy from the list.

You are scum. I want your head more than Nero's. I could VCA this shit again but I already can tell your wagons are shit.

If you have a Yuri on your scumteam if you don't have nancy I'm not buying it.

What IS YOUR read on nancy?

[MathBlade]

Fuck the green I can't read shit...But either way if you have Yuri scum nancy HAS to be there.

[MathBlade]

Nancy
Alisae
Math
LUV
Vecna
Jaereed?
DaveSaz? (will have to read up as well to see if he indeed is the obv Chichen-guy since I missed that)

your top 3 town reads have done nothing but lynch and vote town. (lynched Bee, ABR. TBF DEO wasn't on the Bee wagon but they were scumreading them and Bee was hammered b4 they joined the wagon)

Maybe Nancy is right about RC, it seems highly possible. LUV is doing shit all. He's saying that I should be townreading him for Raw and while I guess I can see similarities it seems fairly different at the same time.

I'm not sure why Jae is suddenly a top town read after you were hard scumreading him.

UGH this gas-lighting shit makes me scumread you so hard Nero. YOU WANT ME TO BE SCUM.

I spent literally pages trying to dissolve the beeboy wagon while my sister kept pushing for it. I was literally arguing with my hydra and still trying to do the right thing.
ABR was an absolute thorn in our side consistently messing up mechanics and lying.

The third lynch Sondam I was NEVER on because I would not let my sister vote there because I had a hard town read on MariaR.

If I'm wrong on you and you're horrible town, stop fucking gaslighting and read the damn thread. If you're scum by all means continue.

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More recent thoughts

Math is intentionally not reading part of the game. I don't know why town would do that.

...I am reading it I"m just catching up as I'm going so I can provide content that people can see.

What Nero did is shade FYI. He knows I'm town and doesn't understand what I'm doing.

You know I posted that last night right? I mean LAST NIGHT, you made a few comments and then left. NOW you are saying that you are catching up on what you missed after you left and are then going to go back to catch up on what you didn't read last night. You can't possibly take my comment from LAST NIGHT and apply it to TODAY. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Those 15 pages my townreads say are very important. And I have a post by post catchup style but if I did that I'd be spamming the thread. I am pointing out the scummy things my reads are doing. AND YES I FREAKING CAN because I went to sleep after that post.

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Ok so short to do list; see if a team composition can be made that makes some sense with voting/behaviour around the day 1/2 wagons. Update the two team/tiers.

Check into that SSBM iso to see if my initial idea chops wood.

And day three too...Gee that sounds like you're trying to beat my VCA I wish you all the luck in the world because you're going to need it. At least you admit your teams don't make sense now. Saves me a shit ton of effort trying to convince everyone else.

THIS POST IS A SCUM CLAIM FROM VECNA!!!!!!!!!!

@Nero what do you make of Vecna posting a "to do list" of make a team that makes sense and then posting that team and then saying he didn't analyze it to see if it made sense?

Vecna is just scum who meant to post that TDL in scum chat.

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Creature, your roleblock tonight is LIMITED to either ME or GORKINGTON. We do not want you to accidentally hit a town-doctor protecting Davesaz

Please stop using this color. I can't read it.

AND FUCK THAT NONSENSE.

Scumreads do not control mechanics. One of the best things we have is that we stopped a scum kill. However that happened needs to happen again without anyone's interference. Meaning do whatever the fuck you want.

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unlike you, I don't need to be scum and know everyone is town to be competent. Thats why I was you know, not busy mislynching town d1 and 2. But like ok, I'm too lazy to go back and read so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt that YOU were town reading Bee but you are still responsible for what your sister did in that slot since you know...its the same slot.

And you're picking out my sister being blatantly wrong in order to further your agenda. Tell me, if I was scum why would I try to stop her from mislynching huh? This discord is crap it was absolutely no fun. My sister said I should give up on mafia forever chewed me out for three hours then had to go and barely gave me an edge in edgewise. It was downright sickening and now we have been lynching her scumreads after my protests repeatedly they were town and it pisses me off. So don't tell me I've been antitown when all I have been doing is arguing my case. If you say I am scum simply because of my sister she's not here. You need something POST day one. Name how I not the DEO slot has been scummy. Here's a hint you fucking can't because I'm town. So stop your bullshit Nero.

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ftr I think Davesaz is scum because I would expect scum to be in panic mode about a parity cop that will have doc protection existing and I don't see that in the gamestate from anyone.

No. Davesaz is town.

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you should prob whine like a girl and replace out like timeshift since that's the only pro-town thing you are capable of.

First of all I don't know who Timeshift is but advocating for a player to replace out is insulting. Saying timeshift sucks is insulting. "whine like a girl" is meant like an insult but some of the best people on the planet are girls. Fucking stop this shit and asking people to replace out. It's toxic and ridiculous.

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if someone got the vig and they still have it please for the love of fucking god kill nero tonight

Vig should be on Math

now

if it was picked up in order to townfirm/scumfirm someone before lylo/mylo imo.

Agreed and I know who is getting copped tonight when I hopefully die.

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AND YES I FREAKING CAN because I went to sleep after that pos

yes I know that. I'm saying that I thought it was rather odd that you didn't comment on those pages last night. Were you just tired and wanted to go to bed? Maybe. I just think its equally as possible that you are scum and didn't comment on those pages for whatever reason. Your comments TODAY sound like you are taking my comments from last night and applying them to today and you can't do that.

I am applying them for consistency. Nothing I have done is wrong.

You have said I was on town three days in a row.
I wasn't. That's a verifiable fact.

You are blatantly lying to make your case and dodge the question when I say "hey use something since my replace in". You can't because I'm town period. Now I'm going back to lynching Vecna my top scumread who claimed in the thread and the question I asked you you ignore.

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Math has already stated that they'll use their investigate on me so if town does have the vig then I'l be confirmed town tomorrow.

I had crumbed it. And I might have changed my mind

[MathBlade]

At bottom of 490, got an appointment to go to.
VOTE: RC

Horrible vote. Fix it.

[MathBlade]

If you take the hydra dissonance out of the equation, Nero's push on Math makes a lot of sense from a logic standpoint if you consider that he obviously doesn't have an understanding on Math's play style. I don't see how his push really added to the chaos compared to PV's push on Math.

here's Luv commenting on my case on you. So no, its not jus about Titus but Titus' actions reflect on your slot still.

Titus hasn't been here for weeks. The actions can reflect on my slot but barring an obvTowning like Drixx did, you need more than that if you think I am scum. You just want a reason to be able to scumread me but. You're gaslighting us or yourself. Find out which and quickly.

Because we are lynching Vecna today for his scumclaim which you haven't even talked about.

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You have said I was on town three days in a row.

no I didn't :/

I said you've "lynched and voted nothing but town"

YOUR SLOT lynched was scumreading Bee, YOUR SLOT lynched ABR, you've been tunneling town me...with a shit case I might add.

I've had my votes lots of places not just there.

Again, you're making things fit your agenda.

Talk to me about Vecna and the post I cited.

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Furthermore, I don't think you're town Nero I just want the scumclaiming Vecna.

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If you take the hydra dissonance out of the equation, Nero's push on Math makes a lot of sense from a logic standpoint if you consider that he obviously doesn't have an understanding on Math's play style. I don't see how his push really added to the chaos compared to PV's push on Math.

here's Luv commenting on my case on you. So no, its not jus about Titus but Titus' actions reflect on your slot still.

Titus hasn't been here for weeks. The actions can reflect on my slot but barring an obvTowning like Drixx did, you need more than that if you think I am scum. You just want a reason to be able to scumread me but. You're gaslighting us or yourself. Find out which and quickly.

Because we are lynching Vecna today for his scumclaim which you haven't even talked about.

THIS. HAS. NOTHING. TO. DO. WITH. TITUS.

THEN EXPLAIN IT.

AND TALK ABOUT YOUR READ ON VECNA LIKE I HAVE ASKED FOR MULTIPLE POSTS IN A ROW NOW.

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Because anyone who knows me knows I am fully well and capable of leading a damn horse to water if I have to.

See Undertale. We can do this the easy way where people talk about their Vecna reads or we can do this the hard way where I keep demonstrating the obvious scum claim and how his reads are still shit and supposedly isn't even thinking if they are viable. The hard way in Undertale is damn near exhausting.

But Vecna almost certainly is scum and I want its head flipped.

[MathBlade]

how its reads* sorry.

[MathBlade]

Leonshade (5): NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It
RadiantCowbells (4): nancy, Nero Cain, Vecna, davesaz

BOTH OF THOSE WAGONS ARE STRONG TOWNREADS. I WILL NOT BE JOINING THEM.

Pedit: That isn't my sole reason. Again gaslighting.

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I'm just getting pissed I'm shooting things.

NERO TALK ABOUT YOUR VECNA READ

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Pedit: That isn't my sole reason.

LETS COMPARE CASES!

LET'S HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR VECNA READ!

My case is in my ISO. If people want me to do it over again I can but you need to have a read on Vecna.

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LUV I know that.
I'm not TRing him for that.
I'm TRing him because I feel like he's trying to unite the town.

I whole heartedly disagree Alisae.

@Nero I don't have to do mafia 24/7.

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Math can you confirm? What did you learn about Ali in the hood?

I confirm hence my hard townread of Alisae and I crumbed he had it.

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Math where is your case on me.

My ISO has my case I am phone posting and don't feel like repeating myself when you are on bucket patrol.

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What if Ali is scum who grabbed it to trick you? You think he'd do something like that?

It was possible at first. However who they'd have to be scum with for that to happen is impossible.

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What Alisae doesn't know is that either alignment I freaking hate hoods but I feel they are the best PR in mafia. Alisae if they did that as scum would be ridiculous.

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Honestly the hood was dysfunctional Alisae tried to fix it. I don't see scum doing that LUV.

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My ISO has my case I am phone posting and don't feel like repeating myself when you are on bucket patrol.

Your ISO has no "case" unless you consider some random pushbacks, some silly accusations, and your obvious OMGUS a "case". I like to see a coherent narrative of why I'm doing the things I've done this game.

I don't bend to the wishes of likely scum.

We're lynching Vecna.

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And I am going back to mass effect.

[MathBlade]

@Ali-why did you decide to go after the hood wonder instead of the doc one?

I value teamwork and coporatation over docs.
Plus I was hydraing with Yume (Malachite is one of her alts) who was like "My way or the highway we grab Mausoleum no matter what."
So I went with it, especially considering I like hoods.

Yeah same reason I am stuck with Stonehenge despite very rarely ever being NK'd.

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I know it's highly unlikely but it has to be thrown out there Math. There is a strange dynamic going on between you 4.

I townread Alisae and BaeReed.

There is no strange dynamic.

I like the sweets

Crumbs are good.

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Scum Ali could say hey maybe if I give them another PT, it would only fuel the fire.

...No. Alisae didn't fuel shit.

[MathBlade]

5 more pages already....I'm just gonna shoot more aliens and keep reading more later. *sigh*

[MathBlade]

Lynch Vote 4.24

Leonshade (7):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It, Alisae, Vecna

RadiantCowbells (3):

nancy, Nero Cain, davesaz

KidAmn (3):

Maxous, RadiantCowbells, Creature

Vecna (2):

Gorkinton, MathBlade

Nero Cain (1):

Leonshade

Not Voting (0):

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

Leonshade is a strong townread. The Leonshade wagon sucks.

[MathBlade]

V/LA today sorry something came up

[MathBlade]

at this point a leon flip is high informative

really?

what will you learn from a scum flip and from a town flip?

there has been like 2-3 cws to leon, i think its good info to go back to and revisit

... Will read the rest later.

But this sticks out to me. This only gives you something if you do VCA and at this point we need a scum lynch.

Tell me what you've learned from the prior 3 mislynches? Show me what you've learned from that.

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Nancy, Nero, and one from the KidAmn wagon: Its hammer time. Hammer leonshade.

Go.

Don't even think about it. Leonshade is town.

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Nancy, Nero, and one from the KidAmn wagon: Its hammer time. Hammer leonshade.

Go.

Don't even think about it. Leonshade is town.

Are you TRing RC

Yep. Sure am.

Scumreading you.

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Well...Math is hopefully going to get shot soon so I rather not cop them...idk.

That is actually the best time to cop me because then when I die it acts as a traditional cop on the other player.

Seriously. Nero is not Town.

And stop the bullshit about not explaining my reads I do.

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Alisae, you were voting Leonshade before. Why are you not here to hammer the slot exactly?

No one should be hammering Leon here.

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If you're a townplayer that isn't actively scumreading me, I recommend learning from my mistakes. Wait to see who will hammer instead of rushing to end the day. I'm getting lynched here 100%, so squeeze every drop of info out of it.

..No you shouldn't be. This wagon is atrociously bad. Has waaaayyy too many scumreads on it.

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Let me get out my never vote list in before someone hammers a person I said not to. AGAIN.

[MathBlade]

Alisae
MathBlade
Leonshade
Creature
RadiantCowbells
davesaz
Maxous


My don't lynch list is above.

My maybe lynch is BaeReed

Everyone else is a scumread.

[MathBlade]

And all scum are probably in the list you just put up, congrats

Considering I have every player in the game in my list above I hope scum are in it lololol

[MathBlade]

And all scum are probably in the list you just put up, congrats

hint: unless davesaz is scum that's all town

And who said that Davesaz was a townread?

Oh yeah this person the blade of Math

[MathBlade]

I may be horrible at scumreads but townreads I am getting good at.

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Lynch Vote 4.27

Leonshade (8):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Lil Uzi Vert, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, nancy, Nero Cain

KidAmn (4):

Maxous, Creature, Alisae, Leonshade

Vecna (2):

Gorkinton, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells (1):

davesaz

Nero Cain (1):

RadiantCowbells

Not Voting (0):

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

This is not content PV. I am doing my damndest not to scream you are scum from the rooftops. Do something like useful.

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Math take Davesaz out of your townpool and add BaeReed

Nope. Dave stays in.

Had it pre claim and barring a world shattering event they will stay there. Will consider BaeReed.

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Also keep in mind that if Vecna is scum Davesaz's result on Creature/Maxous is unreliable. Luckily with the way the gamestate has gone I believe that they are in fact both town but it is super important that Vecna is RBed tonight.

Meh if either of them are scum it would be Creature but Davesaz is a townread for me so they both are.

[MathBlade]

Alisae
MathBlade
Leonshade
Creature
RadiantCowbells
davesaz
Maxous


My don't lynch list is above.

My maybe lynch is BaeReed (if RC dies they go to hard town)

Everyone else is a scumread.

There we go.

Not saying who I am aiming for.

[MathBlade]

Do whatever you want if Leon ends up being scum but Nero is still scum regardless of the alignment of this flip.

Nero or Vecna should be lynched today.

This Leon wagon is a piece of crap.

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Davesaz makes a ton of sense as town if Vecna is confscum btw. I just feel weirded out by the fact that it doesn't feel like scum are scared of Davesaz at this point in time.

Scum have taken over the thread.

Notice how when I posted my VCA at the start of the game post activity rose attacking the heads individually?

Notice how Titus head most of her reads were wrong?

Scum can't shoot me they can't lynch me their only hope is to drown the thread and make me seem unreliable.
That is how Sondam happened and it is breaking my heart that it is happening with Leonshade again.

I really wish I was vigged. *sigh*

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I gotta go but Leonshade is a stupid wagon. Let's lynch scum.

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we're not going to end up wagoning Nero or KidAmn so...

This goes to you, RC and Math. Maybe if you guys actually gave any reasons then you might be getting the wagons you want.

I did including VCA. Pretty much you +Yuri+nancy+Vecna is just baaaad:

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I'd not mind lynching someone for having no reads.

then you should want to lynch the fuck out of Ali and Senpai. But we are doing Leon today.

Why the fuck is everything that comes from you a misrep?

Noooooooooo noticemesenpai you hydra slipped my BaeReed.......Nooooooooooooooooooo

I was hoping someone would have a perfect game

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I could hang KidAmn as a compromise. But really want Nero or Vecna.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KidAmn

Compromise ahoy. I fucking hate compromise lynches ugh.

[MathBlade]

Nah I don't like how nancy didn't vote Kid and then tried to suggest CK. CK goes in my won't lynch today pile.

[MathBlade]

PV is scum KidAmn an actual scum wagon can happen people.
PV came on when a KidAmn wagon would be a thing.

Town doesn't let Town mislynch Town.

Cmon let's vote the scums.

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NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert,

The town of you in these people need to join us on KidAmn. Hint: It's the scum wagon. Leonshade is who scum were floating to mislynch. Lots of noise was made and KidAmn and Vecna scum wagons disappeared. Do you honestly think this is a coincidence people? I don't.

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Hey guys.

I've had alot of really bad experiences with bad towns recently.

But I still believe.

VOTE: Nero Cain

As much as I want that it isn't happening.

Put your vote back on Kid.

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The problem is....I dont really see a team that has Kid as a scummer, where Nero is town.

Like, can anyone think of logical scum compilations where kid is scum without nero?

Because if not.....we might as well make RC happy and ruin Nero's day.

Kid and Nero are scum IMHO but it is so close to end of day lynch Kid.

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Hey guys.

I've had alot of really bad experiences with bad towns recently.

But I still believe.

VOTE: Nero Cain

As much as I want that it isn't happening.

Put your vote back on Kid.

You need to *snap* your fingers for this to work.

*snap* *snap* scum lynch

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The problem is....I dont really see a team that has Kid as a scummer, where Nero is town.

Like, can anyone think of logical scum compilations where kid is scum without nero?

Because if not.....we might as well make RC happy and ruin Nero's day.

Kid and Nero are scum IMHO but it is so close to end of day lynch Kid.

Ill make you a deal. Ill lynch kid and you stop this rediculous scumread on me for the rest of the game so I dont have to fear for a mislynch later down the line, deal?

I don't barter with a scumread. The fear of a true lynch keeps scum honest. Why would I agree to you not to lynch you when Kid is being lynched today against scum's wishes?

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Vecna is prob scum btw. Guy keeps saying I'm doing "townie" things but seems content if I get wagoned.

Nah I resorted to let others do the talking on my behalf. Its working out pretty well so far.

Doesn't make you Town look at Shadowrun.
Town suggested almost every mislynch in the game.

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from what i remember i really feel like youve been under significantly less pressure this game than leon?

I have been and the fact that I get suddenly flashwaggoned with shit all reason should tell you something.

Yes. That you are scum.

Lol. And you haven't been flash wagoned.

The gaslight is strong with the Nero Cain.

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And you haven't been flash wagoned.

so that rapidfire RC-Nancy-Math-Leon-Ali wagon never happened. THANK GOD! I can always count on you to tell me the truth about the game.

That wasn't a flash wagon. Yes you were voted but that wasn't a flash wagon.

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Just so you're aware Math, this KidAmn wagon wouldn't have happened without me pushing it. Hope you've been following the thread closely enough to realize that, even though you seem to be blind to a lot of what I do.

I am not blind to what you do.

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I've had KidAmn as Town essentially by PoE. I don't have a functional read on the slot. When I read Yuri early game it looks like scum. I lose my confidence in the read the more I dive the ISO.

No you didn't.

You had Yuri/KidAmn slot in your read wall here nancy.
Then later you switch (see sample above)

[MathBlade]

VOTE: KidAmn

First time you vote Kidamn nancy.

You did not push KidAmn.

[MathBlade]

KidAmn - Leonshade - Creature - Maxous +.........

Could this work?

No.

[MathBlade]

Probably because of my autism against abr?

That better be one helluva autocorrect mistake.

[MathBlade]

nero why are you being so selective with what you respond to from me?
-.-

oh great. More of the Math style "hurry up and respond or you are ignoring me" type shit.

Raises eyebrow. I am not doing that *glares*

Your gaslighting is annoying.

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Multiball isn't a thing. Rotflmbo. nancy obvScum

[MathBlade]

nancy is scum. Kid and Leon both have to be mislynches.

VOTE: nancy

Nope kid is scum. Put your vote back please BaeReed.

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Multiball isn't a thing. Rotflmbo. nancy obvScum

????

Kill patterns. You would have to suggest both scum teams shoot the same person so many days running.

[MathBlade]

Probably because of my autism against abr?

That better be one helluva autocorrect mistake.

Til you apologize for this I have to ignore your posts for my sanity.

[MathBlade]

Probably because of my autism against abr?

That better be one helluva autocorrect mistake.

Til you apologize for this I have to ignore your posts for my sanity.

What do you mean?

I have Aspergers.

Figure out why I am pissed.

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Sorry dead thread I tried. There's only so much stupidity that one radiantcowbells can carry.

If we can lynch scum Kid today then I think the rest fall into place.

[MathBlade]

Bullshit.

I have questioned BaeReed.

BaeReed never attacked me.

Vecna/nancy/Kid/Nero

[MathBlade]

Sorry dead thread I tried. There's only so much stupidity that one radiantcowbells can carry.

If we can lynch scum Kid today then I think the rest fall into place.

I'll remind you

again

that repeatedly stating a thing to be true without giving a damn good reason doesn't make it so

Your so called "never lynch" Leon has literally said he has no good reason to believe I'm scum and yet is still voting me purely because I was the next biggest wagon at the time

JFC if it wouldn't be anti-town AF I would hammer myself at the first opportunity just to rub it in you and RC's faces at this point

I did give reasons even started what I do as VCA in front of you.

My ISO is full of questioning what happened.

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nah it's called for. I've had it up to fucking here with this town

Youre like a toddler stomping his feet because you got refused a cookie.

Sometimes that works to get a lynch.

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@Vecna Still angry but I think that is my quirk. I still scumread you but just don't do that again.

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@Math OK, that was admittedly hyperbole. Btw the whole basis of your scumread on me was because Spiffeh pulled the wagon off Yuri and I am now trying to kill Yuri, so you are left with scrambled eggs as to why I am scum, not even mentioning the fact that I don't bus so it makes zero sense for me to be scum with KidAmn.

Nope. I don't believe you that you don't bus.

There's a common saying I am going to butcher here for a point.

Scum don't bus except when they do.

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Alisae < I would rather lynch a person claiming a guilty on this than ever lynch this
Creature, Math, LUV, Caesar Wills It, RadiantCowbells < All obvtown and I would rather no lynch than lynch any of these
Gorkington, Cloudkicker < Townish with some doubts. With Gork I want to spend some time asking specific questions that I haven't gotten around to because I feel like he has the same problem as I do in that he doesn't know wtf people actually want from him, and with CK I think ssbm did an ssbm specific towntell
KidAmn < More likely to be town for how the D1 wagon played out I think
Vecna < On probation, preferably I want him and RC parity copped
davesaz, Maxous < Mechanically these are the same alignment, I think. If Vecna is town Maxous is scum though, and davesaz with the lurking didn't exactly endear himself to me but Math thinks dave is town so idunno and the outing of the wonder was townish I think because it's stressful thinking you might get nked and not knowing if your results will be lost, but also it's possible he's just scum that knows he won't be nightkilled and is trying to off chance if the vig doesn't shoot math make it so he's not the target?
Nero Cain, Leonshade < If we had more time I would actually want to sort this more given the latest bouts of posting from both of them. I do not think they are the same alignment.
nancy < talked about this recently

Ok I'm trying to work out how to do this Math, sorry if I mess it up. My partner originally thought we needed to watch out for backstabbers due to experience with those who might be prone to that in history. Last night I held hands with a red haired child as he crossed the street, and some people I think were going to bully him but couldn't because I was there. Today I'm so hungry that I was thinking I might go for a steak but I wasn't sure whether it was better to not since I actually don't really like meat, and while I dislike 50 shades of grey on principle I thought maybe I should read it tonight for posterity's sake, but I kinda wanted your thoughts on that?

I'm pretty sure you understand how my reads have been colored this game so if I die before you can you please out that information for me? If nancy's scum like I think then I think I'm fucked and guaranteed to be dead because I pushed on her too soon. Please do not ever let Ali be lynched, and help RC see scum!nancy is the highest probability if I die, don't let them get out of NKA on that. At this stage I think scum has Hanging Gardens or the vig wasn't picked up, unless someone is playing the waiting game as town on it, or scum have the vig and are waiting to endgame with it, which is also possible.

I think if you want to read BDSM during the night please do it with someone you trust. Are you sure the child is a child? Like I understand some of it but some of that makes my brain hurt. If you are NK'd I promise to reread everything you did.

Pedit: Aslan is not scum nancy. Points for trying but get your vote back on Kid.

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VOTE: KidAmn

Goodbye world.

I think Dave makes 8 and nancy makes nine? I think 9 is hammers? I think we got a scum flip?

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Yeah I highly doubt nancy is town. I'm pretty hopeful on kid. Anything would be better than obvTown Leonshade.

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But if I don't even get any towncred for bussing Kid why should I bother?

Because you'll see the point later.

*fighting stance*

Huzzah my stones be true!

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nancy is obvscum...By stones or by lynch this will be seen.

I also could target Vecna with my stones....or maybe Creature or Maxous we shall see.

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Owwie that hurt

*sniff*

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Dave should pick themselves and a read they have a question about. Then it is like cop+

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VOte kid on me:a multi player but kid needs rope.

Nero is good too but I don't think numbers exist this late.

Will respond between missions.

Vecna and nancy are scums.

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I have Cloud, Gork, Kid, and Max.

If you townread Max you townread Creature
If you scumread Max you scumread Creature

Fix your reads please

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This could be the game where the first scum lynch is a deadline lynch.

WE CAN BE THAT TOWN.

Yes byvoting Kid!

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I claim one shot Math duration permanent.

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And I think at this point we need to mass claim before we answer the resoltuion question.

Reason being if I am wrong on PV scum then likely 5 scum are alive and we need to know who has what in order to make the proper decision on the resolution. Gtg.

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I think Maxous was actually the safer kill.

It is hard to go into on the phone but scum aren't forced to play the long game at this point.

Namely one mislynch away. Maxous was quiet as fuck and doesn't take control.

If anything it is NAI for his reads and his reads were wrong at worst.

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If scum was trying to doc hunt, this is the situation they faced N4:

Claimed VT

Nero Cain
Lil Uzi Vert
Caesar Wills It
Leonshade

Claimed PR

MathBlade
Creature
RadiantCowbells
Vecna
davesaz
Alisae

Unclaimed

CloudKicker
Gorkington
NoticeMeSenpai
nancy

Maxous

In this situation, scum decided to kill Maxous. Maxous was a bold kill due to the result with Creature. So why was he chosen, if scum was trying to PR hunt, over CloudKicker, Gorkington, Senpai and nancy? nancy's been pretty loud all game, so she's a safe choice to not be doctor. Meanwhile CK, Gorkington and Senpai's slots have been much more laid back all game, and would all be good candidates for a doc hunt kill.

Conclusion: there's scum in {CK, Gork, Senpai}. I was scumreading CK anyway, but it wouldn't surprise me for there to be at least two scum here. With two/three scum in CK/Gork/Senpai, Maxous being a doc would be a pretty obvious conclusion for scum to draw.

No. This is bad.


Conf town at this point is Dave and Creature.

Namely Kid failed to build Chicken Itza and so we know Dave had to have picked it up before the failure.

If we assume that is wrong and Dave picked it up to deny Town the wonder then we have no way way for scum to some of the things I see. So Dave being scum is ridiculous

Dave and Creature are conf town.

Based off that we can go back and look at the wagons and find the scum.

I did this a lot Sunday and why I think Mass Claim is good here before voting on the resoltuion.

Gtg again.

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Yuri (9): Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Leonshade
beeboy (4): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Albert B. Rampage

So Yuri and Beeboy are both Town.

Davesaz and Creature are both Town.

So on the Yuri wagon at L-2 A&N,Vecna,Spiffeh(nancy), me (town), Nero Cain, and Leonshade are all on it and no alignment confirmed.
On Beeboy it is Cloudkicker PV are the only unnacounted for.

This means likely one of CK or PV are scum. I still think it is PV for how he stole that from Drixx and didn't claim. Vecna also backpedaled hard as fuck from that being a scum claim. So likely Vecna and PV together. However if I am wrong on PV which based on some of the questions he asked pretty sure I am not then CK would be scum. Either way it is a 1v1 between the two imho.

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On the off chance it is CK scum Vecna is still scum for that backpedal.

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beeboy (7): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri, Spiffeh Akane and Nebby, Elbirn, Vecna
Vecna (4): Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai, Fro99er, Albert B. Rampage
Yuri (3): beeboy, Nero Cain, Leonshade
Albert B. Rampage (2): The DEO, Lil Uzi Vert

Now here we get an interesting story. Beeboy and Vecna counter wagons. Frogger and ABR are conf town at this point.

We also know the Yuri wagon has still got some life in it from Beeboy, Nero Cain, and Leonshade.

Since Yuri is town one of Nero/Leonshade but not both are likely scum. This is another 1v1.

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Lynch Vote 1.49

beeboy (11):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Albert B. Rampage (5):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Vecna (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri (1):

Nero Cain

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Sondam

Creature (1):

Maxous

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Based on the day end vote count it is almost certainly Nero who is the scum in that 1v1 not Leonshade.

Notice Me Senpai is likely not scum with Vecna either or would have made his way over to Beeboy.

Vecna was under real threat D1 and d2 and then it disappeared so scum decided not to bus.

So looking back Vecna is either an all town wagon or Caesar is scum with Vecna.

LUV would be the scum on ABR. I simply refuse to believe in four D1 wagons on all town slots. It would be ridiculous.

So LUV and Vecna scum together one of CK/PV and Nero.

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Lynch Vote 2.20

Albert B. Rampage (10): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, davesaz, Leonshade, MathBlade, Caesar Wills It, nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies
ssbm_Kyouko (6): Yuri, Maxous, Creature, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage, PeregrineV

Now here we look at the cloud kicker wagon.

The fact the CK slot is being wagoned against a town slot is indicative.

If the CK slot is town then Nero and PV would be propping it up.
If the CK slot is scum then that is certainly a bus vote earlier by Nero.

Either way that is intriguing to say the least.

On the ABR wagon it would be scum led in LUV and Vecna and Vecna should have been pressured for the 1v1 promise it made. Another thing it didn't follow up on or mention. It sweeped it under the rug.

With Brian Skies conf town for the Drixx replace out then it looks more like the CK wagon was a bus and PV is town but PV taking that wonder was a fucking scumclaim. Ugh. So damn infuriating.

So logical head says LUV Vecna nancy CK Nero

Gut says LUV Vecna PV Nero nancy

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Telling me to stop my gut without reasons Alisae doesn't work especially when there is more evidence of recent meta that I am right when people do this. (E.g Undertale where Maxous was the only scum and people said he wasn't) So without reasons his scum claim isn't one he says on my radar. Either way I want the other four more since they are more solid.

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Actually it is much simpler to kill PV as he is a common cop target and it denies obv Town Drixx from Pyramids. They get a lot and PV would never be checked or killed. Occam's razor says denying Town Drixx that is much better if PV is scum as if around PV is influential late game. Plus Drixx openly saying he was building Pyramids and PV not saying a damn thing to stop him which would be protown to do makes PV much more likely scum. Taking Pyramids from Drixx was a scum claim. It is this reason I struggle to see him as Town.

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We are unsurprised that you would so pervert the truth, Leonshade. The function of Chichen Itza is dependent on successful targeting of both subjects, so choosing anyone who had built a Great Wall would likely cause the action to fail. While We concur that the failure was possibly due to the action of a roleblocker, as your treasonous friends would almost certainly prioritize the defeat of Senator davesaz, the possible existence of a Great Wall would also stymie the effort. Your dismissal of such a possibility speaks to a desire to paint a false narrative.

We are most sorely wroth that Our mandated conviction against the scoundrel Leonshade failed not once but twice in the previous session, almost certainly due to the distracting influence of his evil friends. We shall be researching the Senate record in an attempt to identify them.

Leonshade is town. Fix this.

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@Mod: I would like to commence building the Pyramids please. Thanks.

Absolutely zero reason to hide that I'm doing so. It's now on me to obvtown the shit out of myself, plus I accept that I have to be lynched before any potential endgame. Won't bother me because I get to still play the game.

I stated why. Like I said I want others more like Vecna who got hunted hard by Drixx. And LUV who also got hunted hard by Drixx.

And yes I did.

It is to avoid the cop kill. They can have PV just lurk and be unreadable which are to PV's strengths. The main thing is PV asks questions and goes "oops I didn't read" or does something that proves he didn't read every fucking time he is scum and when he is Town he doesn't do that. It is to the level of a meta tell for him.

But I also see that CK would logically be scum over PV by VCA. And yes Drixx did and in other games PV applauds Drixx's abilities. No way Town PV stops Town Drixx.

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Resolution Vote 5.01

Yae (0):

Nay (5):

Leonshade, nancy, RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (9):

Nero Cain, MathBlade, Gorkington, Creature, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, CloudKicker, davesaz, NoticeMeSenpai

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to pass a resolution by majority.
Resolution deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-03 14:55:00), at which point the resolution will be decided via plurality.

Industrial Era Wonders & Resolution

Stop this nay vote now until mass claim is done so we know where we fucking stand.

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Math your VCA isn't helpful and is going to lose us the game.

Die scum die.

I am driving home.

Tell me who the scum are on the Yuri and Beeboy wagons then.

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Do not vote Nae until everyone has posted and mass claim has happened. Still doing errands... will post more later

@Everyone identify the scum on the Yuri and Beeboy wagons D1 from your point of view.

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Answer my question people. Who are the scum on the Yuri and Beeboy wagons?

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Resolution Vote 5.02

(Day 5 Final)

Yae (0):

Nay (8):

Leonshade, nancy, RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Lil Uzi Vert, CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It, Vecna

Not Voting (7):

Nero Cain, MathBlade, Gorkington, Creature, Vecna, davesaz, NoticeMeSenpai

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 to pass a resolution by majority.
Resolution deadline is in (expired on 2017-04-03 14:55:00), at which point the resolution will be decided via plurality.

Industrial Era Wonders & Resolution

Delegates have voted Nay to the proposed World's Fair!

No event occurs.

@mod-what must one say to activate the Forbidden Palace wonder?

One should contact me privately.

This was stupid without mass claim because if anyone believes PV is town then today is likely MyLO.

And again people answer my question who are the scum on the Yuri/Beeboy wagons?

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Pedit fuck my phone bullshit Vecna. You backpedaled and took 1v1 stances for which you took no accountability for afterward.

nancy yes Ali and Leon no

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People should be saying TEAMS at this point not one person and the voting shit needs to stop as it is MyLO if you believe PV is town.
Wtf.

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Driving home but those scum wagons provided by Nero are not valid.

nancy Ali and Leon cannot be scum together.

Seriously.

Vecna/LUV/Nero/<Cloud or PV>/nancy

That is what I see.

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nancy yes Ali and Leon no

yea, it explains why Leon was so hard to lynch. I know Ali is all "sheepy" and stuff but this is bad even for him.

Leon and Sondam were hard to lynch because I said no repeatedly. Because I hard read Leon as Town and hard read Sondam.

You and your buddies are campaigning for who you think you can mislynch.

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I will build you a big case when I get home but
A) It makes sense to RC.
B) Your word is meaningless with your backpedals on PV claiming scum and ABR 1v1.
C) VCA
D) Arguments that make 0 sense with teams that make 0 sense which I have dismantled repeatedly.
E) Drixx caught you early and so PV stole what he wanted.


That is for starters while phone posting.

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Ok time to play it differently.

Mathblade - we played 2 games together. You townread me as scum, and scumread me as town.

Titus and I have played like 6 games together, and Titus has correctly identified me as scum in EVERY single one.

Why do you trust your own judgement over hers so much? There is zero logic in it, only if youre scum pulling some cute gambit since the start.

I WANT FUCKING ANSWERS.

Because Titus has been wrong on literally every read this game.

She spent two hours yelling Sondam scum to me.

Literally two hours.

I told her Beeboy was Town (after initially thinking she was scum)

Literally all Titus did was say I suck at mafia and we are claiming Stonehenge and I said no that is equivalent to game throwing and then when you weren't Pyramids like she swore you were she quit.

Instead of admitting I might have a bit of truth or work with me she quit.

I put up with a lunch of nothing but her saying that I have to do things her way and then using everything in the book to try her way.

Letting other players post more being silent asking why.

Far as I am concerned if Titus doesn't get her way she thinks you suck at mafia.

Every one of Titus's reads has been wrong. I am not about to trust hers on you now when I have a mountain of evidence that says you are scum.

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Lynch Vote 3.29

Sondam (9):

Vecna, Creature, Nero Cain, TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Caesar Wills It, Brian Skies, Leonshade, Sondam, Lil Uzi Vert

Nero Cain (2):

nancy, MathBlade

CloudKicker (1):

Maxous

Leonshade (1):

CloudKicker

Maxous (1):

NoticeMeSenpai

Caesar Wills It (1):

Yuri

nancy (1):

Alisae

Not Voting (1):

davesaz

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-11 09:45:13), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Oh really?

Creature conf town
You and Nero who I scumread

You wanna gaslight some more about who started Sondam?

Pedit reading that when I get home.

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Nero why should I listen to you again?

I'm town and I haven't been on a shitload of mislynches.

That is A) Incorrect and B) Easy when scum.

And C) Easy to catch in VCA.

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Correction it requires Town unity today as this is MYLO because 5 scum is hella likely and again people aren't talking teams.

And VCA is hella possible without a scumflip because I don't do it like everyone else.

I do it to exclusions not to prove. And through those exclusions a scum team emerges.

Which is why people talking teams is the right approach and for the love of all that is townie in fucking vote.

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Everyone should be fucking claiming *sigh*

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And before confTown Dave outs their targets.

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let me be the hero this town doesn't deserve. PLS?

You can't be because you are scum.

And yes VCA can exclude people.

All votes tell a narrative (the one thing I agree with Titus on).

If you propose a team that can't match the votes it is a bad team.

In MYLO always think teams.

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someone give me novacaine

Who is your scumteam RC?

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And if anything Creature should out their RB first.

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Oh I plan on making the wall of the century when not phone posting.

I plan on literally explaining how every lynch happened.

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And mass claim should be a thing.

Again if you haven't claimed yet you get my glares.

Pedit: RC *glares*

Pedit: .....Nero....Go analyze the game and pick a team do it. If your team doesn't make sense change your reads.

Like Vecna for example says I am full of shit when I dismantle his theories but yet makes no effort to dismantle mine because he can't.

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Oh and we are lynching in {Vecna,LUV,Nero,nancy}

I won't vote anyone else.

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Like if you are going to do VCA present it objectively. Like all of Nancy, Ali, Leon have been all over the mislynch wagons and that alone should send up all sorts of red flags. Whatever you are excluding Ali and Leon is fucking wrong.

I did.

nancy is a scumread of mine.

Alisae and Leon have been on them yes but on is not enough they have to match the narrative. There is no narrative that makes sense with them scum.

You have to think in teams in MYLO.

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Oh I plan on making the wall of the century when not phone posting.

I plan on literally explaining how every lynch happened.

How about you dont bother instead, and just respond to my current queries? Have a dialogue.

Why would I put this attention on how you read me as scum right now? This is in preparation for tomorrow since I want us to have scum lynches back to back - but it wont be of any use if you misread me for the rest of the game.

Just do me this courtesy and drop your biased view. It is not correct, and its potentially clouding the rest of your judgement.

Did I miss one?

Because it is noise Vecna.
You saw how I was in PyP when people do something stupid it fucks with my reads hard core.

You know I am loud and only need one lynch for us to lose and if you can discredit me you have your lynch. It is the only valid strategy as you can't kill me:

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See what I mean, if he sticks to that, we can literally all just stop posting as town because its game over.

And the misgendering and personal insults are really pushing me off after multiple times I am a They.

Your profile says it.

Mine says they.

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Like if you are going to do VCA present it objectively. Like all of Nancy, Ali, Leon have been all over the mislynch wagons and that alone should send up all sorts of red flags. Whatever you are excluding Ali and Leon is fucking wrong.

I did.

nancy is a scumread of mine.

Alisae and Leon have been on them yes but on is not enough they have to match the narrative. There is no narrative that makes sense with them scum.

You have to think in teams in MYLO.

Hey Mathblade, if you do post your wall - and I explain my reasoning for every action that I have done - will you promise to at least be reasonably and try to view things from all angles?

If not, I might as well just suicide instead of wasting another 400 pages just for the result to be townloss due to your stubborness in misreading me.

I already AM!

I spent a good three hours Saturday considering that possibility and I can't see it.

You being scum is a bridge I am willing to die on. I will do the wall but I highly doubt you can explain away everything in it. Very much so I literally have pages of notes.

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town isn't winning this game

Yes we are.

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they have to match the narrative.

Whats the narrative?

Narrative = events that happened so far.

For example if you scumread me then you have to explain why I would do what I do from a scum perspective. If you can't then no matter how much you want to lynch me I am not scum. If you think player X and Y are scum but then argue with each other for a lot of pages why? In other words everything for a reason. If no reason a flaw exists somewhere. Go backwards til you find it.

It is called in layman's terms proof by contradiction. Assume the thing you think is false and assume it is true. Then if you get 1=2 then that statement can't be true. Therefore it is false. That is the heart of how I do VCA.

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So in other words if someone proposed me and Vecna I would give them glares.

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what if someone proposed to you?

If someone tried to marry me I would laugh and say they are a few days early.

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Spoiler: For Alisae

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Fuck my phone.

It is an Ashton Kutcher inspirational meme.

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Lynch Vote 1.28

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Explain how a nancy RC Ali Leon team makes this VC happen?

Keep in mind Leon was actively trying to stop the wagon and voting Frogger. RC who is in the Drixx slot who is confTown fyi was offline. Literally only nancy and the Alisae slots where at the front.

That team doesn't make sense.

No way Yuri gets to L-2 with all town on the end that fast.

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Oh btw, Leonshade in Code Geass discovered stuff step by step in a logical pattern.

The way he explained the Doctor lynch on maxous here, mightve very well also just been him using the scum reasoning that they discussed during the night to impress me with his "renewed scumhunting energy".

Shame if he's town though, since im contiuing to give him a lot of shit - but such is the way of this game.

Like Creature conf town
I am Town
Frogger conf town

nancy and Nero are the only two unprovens on the end of that wagon.

That is the only way that wagon gets to L-2 is if at least one if not both are scum and later events make it likely both.

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Lynch Vote 1.28

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

Explain how a nancy RC Ali Leon team makes this VC happen?

Keep in mind Leon was actively trying to stop the wagon and voting Frogger. RC who is in the Drixx slot who is confTown fyi was offline. Literally only nancy and the Alisae slots where at the front.

That team doesn't make sense.

No way Yuri gets to L-2 with all town on the end that fast.

Why wouldnt it? The only slot thats on the end here that isnt your hard townread/yourself/flipped town is Nero.

Scum starting bandwagons with half the teams sitting on the sidelines is a very common thing.

If youre gonna do VCA, dont do it in such a way where you think the position of people on a wagon matters much, because it doesnt.....

It absolutely does.

We know a lot of hard towns on it.

Therefore positioning does matter.

Getting to L-2 that early in the day means scumread hAVE to be on it barring a scumslip.

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This is how you react when Town.

Your reaction is different.

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Oh btw, Leonshade in Code Geass discovered stuff step by step in a logical pattern.

The way he explained the Doctor lynch on maxous here, mightve very well also just been him using the scum reasoning that they discussed during the night to impress me with his "renewed scumhunting energy".

Shame if he's town though, since im contiuing to give him a lot of shit - but such is the way of this game.

Like Creature conf town
I am Town
Frogger conf town

nancy and Nero are the only two unprovens on the end of that wagon.

That is the only way that wagon gets to L-2 is if at least one if not both are scum and later events make it likely both.

Stop

Thinking

town

doesnt

vote

for

town

If you're Town
Stop thinking an all town wagon happens to nine people on day one that early.
It doesn't.

But you're scum sooooo

[MathBlade]

Getting to L-2 that

early

in the day means scumread hAVE to be on it barring a scumslip

page 109 is not early :/

Considering how little time elapsed it was early.

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I have said my four.

We lynch in there or no lynch. I have seen no compelling arguments otherwise.

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I'm not touching Creature. Today is RC or Nancy.

Never lynching RC ever.

I will let you bus nancy but until you provide a reasonable scumteam your reads are shit.

[MathBlade]

I think im just gonna be like LUV and troll for the rest of the game

LUV didn't say he was going to troll.
LUV+Vecna confirmed.

[MathBlade]

Put up that wall then and see me tear it to shreds.

When I am not phone posting I will.

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RC replaced Drixx.

Drixx was no way possible scum.

Therefore that fight can't be SVS.

Therefore it is SVT or TVT.

Your narrative is flawed.

You are writing as if you think nancy and RC are scum together versus thinking it through.

Explain the Drixx replace out as scum.

Oh there isn't an explanation? Oh then RC is town.

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Math - just do what I asked and ask Titus about how to read me.

You dont believe me when I say that its infuriating that Titus always knows when im scum? Why would I ever want to admit such a thing if it isnt true?

To win.

I cannot talk with Titus about the game as she replaced out. That would be grounds for mod action. I have not spoken with her since her replace out.

[MathBlade]

Alright Math

*extends hand*

Let's do nancy

nancy works.

Who is your scum team?

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Math - just do what I asked and ask Titus about how to read me.

You dont believe me when I say that its infuriating that Titus always knows when im scum? Why would I ever want to admit such a thing if it isnt true?

To win.

I cannot talk with Titus about the game as she replaced out. That would be grounds for mod action. I have not spoken with her since her replace out.

With her about this game*

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I'm still sitting with a vote on actual scum.

Sorry while it is possible CK is scum I can't vote there when it isn't a scumfirm for me in possible MyLO.

[MathBlade]

People wanted the Kyouko slot and then they suddenly stopped because why?

I never have wanted it. Look at my ISO. The only reason I even consider it is VCA.

[MathBlade]

Explain the Drixx replace out as scum.

its null.

Explain how it is NAI when it is absolutely AI and a shit ton of people other than me said it is AI and made Drixx town.

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Lynch Vote 1.28

Yuri (9):

Lil Uzi Vert, Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Spiffeh, beeboy, Fro99er, The DEO, Nero Cain, Creature

beeboy (3):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Yuri

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Akane and Nebby (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Vecna (1):

Caesar Wills It

ssbm_Kyouko (1):

Maxous

Fro99er (1):

Leonshade

NoticeMeSenpai (1):

Elbirn

Not Voting (3):

ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Sondam

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

LUV explain how this happens with a Cloud/Elbirn/Leon/nancy team
Pedit RC because we shouldn't be voting anyone.

If it is in those four I will vote it.

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Math - just do what I asked and ask Titus about how to read me.

You dont believe me when I say that its infuriating that Titus always knows when im scum? Why would I ever want to admit such a thing if it isnt true?

To win.

I cannot talk with Titus about the game as she replaced out. That would be grounds for mod action. I have not spoken with her since her replace out.

You can ask her how she normally reads me in finished games? Or is that not allowed either? meh anyways, dont do it then.

Doesnt take away that: you know how she contributed to this game. You know her record with me.

And yes, im trying to win. But; hint-hint - we share a wincondition (unless youre scum).

That is illegal as it would require talk of ongoing games.

All I have is what she left which I already demolished and she then tried to beat into me to do her way. I have nothing useful of her reads.

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Can people shut up about wagons? Why a wagon stalled or failed to get momentum takes more than looking at VCs to figure out.

Yes it does but I refuse to believe than an all town wagon starts on town like that with only one scum in the middle.

There is no "oh so and so started it" and scum hopped on or "Yuri fake claimed scum" if you think that is the team you have to be able to sell me how it matches the events that have unfolded.

[MathBlade]

Me trying to explain it would require me going back and rereading D1.

If you aren't willing to see if your reads are valid then don't expect me to consider them worth anything or worth changing my scumread of you.

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You could be scum. Dave could be scum. Vecna could be scum. Anyone could be but you wouldn't know that if you just solely focus on data.

My reads don't focus solely on data.

Data driven and validated but not only data.

Sondam I explicitly said was a meta read.

Beeboy meta.

There are sometimes I use meta and have but when data and meta coincide on my scumreads I need a case or an argument to change them.

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hey math 14197 is never a bus vote

Why?

[MathBlade]

Scumteam 1:

Nero
Ceasar
Cloudkicker
(Gorkington)
(Notice)

Scumteam 2:
Leonshade
Alisae
RC
Creature
Davesaz

This more or less still works. If only it didnt depend on a shitton of afk people doing nothing to get properly read this game......but theres at least a bunch of scum in them guaranteed.

Explain the parenthesis.

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14-8 = 6

12 - 7 = 5
Any NK death
11-6 = 5
10-6 = 4

So if both the vig here and the vig available today fire that is literally GG if we mislynch.

[MathBlade]

Hence why I want mass claim today.

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Vecna those teams don't make sense :/

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Like I am trying to see how you are Town but those scumteams are just so freaking bad.

[MathBlade]

Vecna those teams don't make sense :/

A whole whole lot more than your proposed Nancy + Nero + Vecna + Luv...........

You mean mine make more sense?

Thanks for admitting it.

[MathBlade]

I am taking a nap. Good night all we should be mass claiming.

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My thing with Ceasar is this:

- He's been inactive and a non-factor
- He was a lynch candidate and was close to L-1 a few times during Day 3
- He was widely town read or an after thought by some during Day 4

Why would scum take Palace to frame a town!Pine who is not having a good game?

Because one mislynch is all they need to win.

[MathBlade]

Really, youre gonna do the toddler turn-around on me?

?? All I did was agree with what you said ???

[MathBlade]

I am taking a nap. Good night all.

[MathBlade]

I wanted to lynch you, mathblade wanted to lynch kid

I wanted both.
However Kid was the one possible and if wrong narrowed my reads extensively.

[MathBlade]

Alisae - Halicarnassus D1 unlikely scum do this and I find it very protown to try to help with what was going on with me and Titus.
Nero Cain
MathBlade - me. ObvTown
Leonshade - With Dave myself and Maxous off the wagon it is very likely that mathematically confirmed not scum need to double check this.
Gorkington
Creature - confTown because Dave
RadiantCowbells - because Drixx
Caesar Wills It -- Need to reread Maxous's ISO here to see if Maxous said trust me please on that. I think Vecna and nancy may have scumslipped that they used their second shot on Caesar and nancy shot Maxous making this not MyLO. It was a theory I have been considering that Spiffeh did not shoot me if scum.
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
CloudKicker
davesaz -- ConfTown
NoticeMeSenpai -- Obvious crumbs as to what they are.
nancy

so the entire scum team has to be in Nero, Gorkington, LUV, Vecna, CK, and nancy

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Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar

Isn't it a little disingenuous to trust that Ceaser is town but not willing to trust Ceaser that I'm town?

Garcia-ing No it isn't.

Town doesn't mean right reads. Otherwise every dead townie would have their reads sheeped.

It just means actively not trying to deceive you.

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I. AM. NOT. SCUM. MATH

So you're saying nancy and CK are bussing their partner Gorkington for the fun of it?

Today?

Because if you aren't scum the remaining five have to be scum if PV isn't.

[MathBlade]

Why would scum kill Ceasar? There is no reason to.

Low info kill.

[MathBlade]

I'm town so you're wrong somewhere in your town reads.

Which and why?

[MathBlade]

so the entire scum team has to be in Nero, Gorkington, LUV,

Vecna

, CK, and

nancy

these are the only 2 decent reads. btw.

Then tell me which of my confTown reads are wrong and why?

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That is the perfect reason to kill him.

Killing someone wrong nets me sooo many mislynches as scum.

Pine was and is lurky and so killing him gives town nothing. No info kill works a lot.

Again if you are Town then you should be telling me which of my confTown reads are wrong and why

[MathBlade]

Let's try to PoE again.

Dave
Creature

Most likely confirmed town.

PV

Probably town.

Math
RC

Town read due to predecessor or hydra dissonance

Ali
Ceasar
Cloud
Gork
Leon
nancy
Notice
Nero
Vecna

Ali is confTown due to trying to repair that dissonance. It doesn't matter what you would do. What matters is what he did.

Notice is never getting lynched because of what they crumbed.
Caesar is lynchbait IMHO.
Leonshade is mathematically not scum (need to double check this)

You can't just add people in LUV you have to tell me what is wrong with me confTowning them

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Sorry, I've been busy. I'm VT I went for broke on the neighborhood wonder and lost it, obviously. Someone with priority needs to deny the vig because scum very likely have 1 slot with priority here.

NK is optimal which means one of two people are very likely scum and also means that there are scum in my Towns. Need to rethink. If Town has the IC wonder, they NEED to reveal with mod RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.

Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar, I need you to be sure. Please reset and go back over his non-flavor content and thoroughly grok that.

CK you were PoE, why can you not be scum with Leonshade? I need a lot of content from you today, please.

davesaz I'm presuming you targeted RC and I.

Vecna I need you to stop considering a world where Aslan and Notice are scum and focus elsewhere, please.

I doubt this especially with Maxous dying and you saying you'd vig him over me. nancy is just scum people.

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Lynch Vote 4.30

Leonshade (8):

NoticeMeSenpai, KidAmn, CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It, Vecna, Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert, Alisae

KidAmn (5):

Maxous, Creature, Leonshade, MathBlade, RadiantCowbells

Vecna (1):

Gorkinton

RadiantCowbells (1):

davesaz

Not Voting (1):

nancy

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.

Yeah Leonshade is confTown as the alternative requires Maxous to be scum soooo yeah Leonshade is confTown

[MathBlade]

Everything he has said makes sense. What doesn't do you?

Pedit:

I am Town by rolePM
Creature is town by Dave and Maxous.
RC is town because Drixx.

This means either Gorkington or nancy are the only potential scum that could hammer.

So that means (assuming PV town although I disagree) there would be 2-3 scum on that wagon.
The only potential scum on that wagon make Leonshade impossible to be scum.

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Yeah Leonshade is confTown as the alternative requires Maxous to be scum soooo yeah Leonshade is confTown

Math if you are going to do VCA you have to present it objectively. Leave your preconcieved notions of this is tow/this is scum.

I do.

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If we follow Nero here, it is very possible that Drixx being the scum mastermind he is told Alisae to take the neighboring wonder and use it to manipulate people that he felt can read Alisae well. He probably got frustrated at one of his partners being wagoned or being inactive and replaced out. Alisae fits the former, Leon fits the latter.

Not a chance in hell Drixx does that. EVER.

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Stop right there. Pretend Drixx never existed, is RC still town?

Not going to happen for the first part. Therefore your second question is irrelevant.

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Aslan I am trusting you on Caesar

Isn't it a little disingenuous to trust that Ceaser is town but not willing to trust Ceaser that I'm town?

Caesar's reasoning for TRing you is/was based on outdated meta I believe. I'm still re-evaluating at this point and going through PoE. Waiting for people to respond.

Then get your vote off confTown then nancy.

You said it yourself scum wouldn't bus yesterday.

It is physically impossible for a 5 man scum team to be off of Leonshade.

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RC is town because Drixx.

His replace out was null. ISO him and tell me why he's town via play.

Claiming he would take Pyramids.
Not getting Pyramids.
Replacing out because not getting Pyramids.

Done. Drixx is town.

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If we follow Nero here, it is very possible that Drixx being the scum mastermind he is told Alisae to take the neighboring wonder and use it to manipulate people that he felt can read Alisae well. He probably got frustrated at one of his partners being wagoned or being inactive and replaced out. Alisae fits the former, Leon fits the latter.

Not a chance in hell Drixx does that. EVER.

Stop right there. Pretend Drixx never existed, is RC still town?

Not going to happen for the first part. Therefore your second question is irrelevant.

Lol this is the problem Math. You're just clearing people off meta. The second thing is even worst, you won't even pretend like RC was here from the start.

You mean how every person
Beeboy and Sondam who Town have lynched despite my hard meta read and gasp they flipped Town.

I am never voting Drixx/RC.

Pick a different mislynch candidate.

Unless you destroy my argument of why someone is confTown you can say post ABCD is scummy as fuck and I don't care. ConfTown is confTown unless that argument is destroyed.

Saying "it is null" is not good enough. Saying I have to disregard what is the equivalent to a cop check to me isn't good enough.

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I do.

You do? b/c it doesn't seem that way to me. Like...we know that all of Ali, Nancy, Leon were on 3 of the 4 mislynch wagons so if one is doing VCA it should point to those 3 but you are only scum reading Nancy so yes, it seems like you are using your preconcieved notions that RC and Ali are town and I'm scum and using VCA to see what you want.

It isn't just who is on wagons Nero.

If you haven't learned how I do VCA at this point you never will.

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Math you said it yourself, this is MYLO. You have to consider everyone as scum other than yourself. Just reevaluate. Reread ISOs. Just don't clear people off of silly things like crumbing and VCA.

Nope. In MYLO you stand firm when scum want a mislynch and don't give it to them. No matter how much they beg.

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@mod: replace out. I will totally trash your game otherwise. Some people apparently believe I'm obligated to stay chained to my desk and read their worthless drivel at a clip of nearly 1,000 posts a day, even when I'm playing a LYLO at the end of a 13k post game and they

can go look

and see that I was sacrificing sleep as it was.

Sorry to the folks on the playlist that I was looking forward to playing with. Catch ya'll in another time and place.

Congrats to the assclowns for getting me to replace out for 2nd time ever.

This is why Drixx is conf town. I know Drixx. He stayed in SU because he was scum.

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Math, it being Day 5 without scum flip is enough to destroy your confTown reads. Can't you see that we're being destroyed here and need to wake up?

We are being destroyed because I had to resort to a multi tiered level scumread to stop a Leonshade lynch as Nero wouldn't be lynched

We are being destroyed because Sondam was flash wagoned despite my objections

We are being destroyed because no one listened about Beeboy

I was wrong on ABR but his refusal to read or pay attention to mechanics spawned simple disaster.

I am not letting you lynch confTown.

Now bus.

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It isn't just who is on wagons Nero.

If you haven't learned how I do VCA at this point you never will.

Well you keep giving short curt statments then you have to leave all the time. Explain this VCA you do.

Because I do.

Again it is quite simple.

You start with all unidentified people on key wagons.
Based on the alignment of those that flip then determine who could be scum on that wagon

Note interactions between potential scum. If they do not make sense as a team then that can't be right. I teamhunt.

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Math, you and Ceasar are the only ones scum reading me which should tell you something. That something is that you're very very wrong on my slot. I'm town, so rethink your town reads. Who's your weakest town read?

Mafia isn't a popularity contest.

I was the only person scumreading Maxous in Undertale and he was literally the only scum.

So no this argument is wrong.