Rocky Horror Picture Show - players suck, game over

[Almost50]

So...how do we play this game? Anyone have ideas about strategy?

Here's how I imagine it:

basically we start with 2 cult leaders and a Town core that is unrecruitable, plus a majority of VTs who are considered neutral. Each "day phase" (you'll have to excuse non-game-specific flavour terms) we try to get a VT to join the Town, and each "night" the cult leaders will try to recruit someone each. We are thus hunting for Town VTs to prevent their recruitment.

The trick is not even the "TPRs" (or most of them) know they can't be recruited, or the game would've been very much breakable by mass claiming (I'd expect some TPRs to actually know, which leads me to believe there are some roles with certain actions like detecting the target's alignment or their availability for recruitment (i.e. immune/not immune)).

So, we can play it on faith. We can simply run up someone at random, and if we're lucky they're a VT and will join the Town. The cult leaders will have to avoid that player and try to recruit from the others. We repeat, bearing in mind the player we immunized once cannot be run up again. Of course, there's always a chance we run up someone who is already in a cult and thus we fail (the equivalent of mislynching) and the cult leaders also can target a TPR or a member from the other cult thus their action will fail.

Knowing whom they recruited (each of them) they will try to lead the wagon(s) unto their own (to make sure nobody else in immune), and THAT is where we should be looking for associative tells.

Here a tribute for the cult leaders



Disclaimer: I much rather the Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam version, but I couldn't find an official video for it.

[Almost50]

Ye. Ending the day fast is good. It helps to prevent cult recruitments. And shouldn't we choose a specific person that we want to stay survivor?

May I ask for an explanation?

[Almost50]

I thought it wasn't our goal to kill them.

Mate, the

Golden Rule

states: Whatever Creature thinks, that;s not the way it is!

[Almost50]

What's with these heal and hurt tags? Do they mean anything?

Found one BOYS

He gets the first vig shot.

Wow. You're going to shoot me just because I don't know how tags work?

Actually, If I was the Vig I'd shoot you first because you always have extra-terrible reads (by your own admission), so you're a liability.

[Almost50]

Cults are founded to worship devil's.

You are a devil.

It's sound logic.

Cults are founded to have org.. erm.. organic merry parties.

[Almost50]

Nope, I'm ok and not crazy at all. I meant you gamma.

WAIT! randomidget = Gamma Emerald??????????

[Almost50]

VOTE: Jay

If I can choose anyone to lean on and be guaranteed town, I'd choose Jay.

And you'd probably be wrong 50% of the time.

P.S. Best avatar in the game.

[Almost50]

Rawr.

Yikes!

[Almost50]

Players may only submit actions during the play phase, or what you're thinking of as day. The pause phase is when all the actions happen. Cult leaders could recruit right now if they wanted to.

All the better. My point still stands bc I would expect the voted person immunity to override the recruitment action (i.e. resolve first).

[Almost50]

Nope, I'm ok and not crazy at all. I meant you gamma.

WAIT! randomidget = Gamma Emerald??????????

funny but very much no
didn't we all play in Death Note mafia

Dude, I can't remember what I had for breakfast, FGS!

[Almost50]

Unless they recruit them before immunity gets majority vote.

Hoo-Waa

[Almost50]

Actually, If I was the Vig I'd shoot you first because you always have extra-terrible reads (by your own admission), so you're a liability.

I just won't give reads then

OR.. you give your reads naturally and we use your readlist upside down!

[Almost50]

Okay, Almost50, I guess I got you.

Actions resolve in the pause phase, so whatever I sent you must be still stuck in the mailbox.

[Almost50]

We explicitly know there are two cults.

VOTE: Chickadee

We explicitly know you're available for recruitment, so I'm gonna stop that from happening.

@All: This little innocent girl needs to be saved from the evils of satanic natures. May God help us all.

[Almost50]

@Chicka: Vote me back. Let's 1v1 right here and now.

[Almost50]

Should neutral survivors townside?

Naturally they should. They ARE the largest faction as we speak, and the proposition of there being unrecruitable slots hints that these are the next biggest clan at the start of the game (cults start with just one member: their cult leader).

Would you rather be on the leading faction or try to grow the smaller ones?

[Almost50]

Are you implying that cult leaders have to commit to a choice and cannot switch their targets at some point before the day ends? I don't know that that's how their role works. How would you?

Actions submitted cannot be changed as per the rules. That said, I agree on the notion that allowing the cult leader to recruit the player that we voted to immunize would make it virtually impossible for the Town core to grow, and thus it'd be 100% a scum-sided game, so whoever we vote will be immune (if they're not already recruited) and the "action cannot be changed" rule is so that the cult leaders 9as well as TPRs) can't switch their action OFF the player being immunized if they had already submitted the action on them.

[Almost50]

I stand corrected (by Cerb's wisdom)

[Almost50]

So, eh, can someone give me a really good reason why certain people should be made immune? That is, some good reasons for each person?

1- They are the TOWN CORE
2- They have ABILITIES

[Almost50]

@Varsoon: Would you rather play as a survivor and win the hard way, or be recruited?

This question goes to everyone who I've played with before. Well, anyone can answer it, but I'm specifically concerned with the responses of people who I'm familiar with.

I'll play the game however it goes, tbh. If the recruitment takes priority over immunization though then there's NO WAY neutrals can win it. Every single person we wagon would either be already immune or already culted or available for to be culted. Finessing won't work either since: a) the idea is already out in the open, and b) you need to finesse TWO not just one side.

If that's the case then there must be other "unknown" factors, and with the explicit announcement that once the alignment changes it cannot be further changed then there's no "vanillaizer" either.

What then? A RB? An immunizer (on top o the voting process)? A Vig, maybe?

[Almost50]

And I honestly don't think that it's likely that all the killing roles are auto immunized, because that would mean that the cult would have to be able to kill every night should they want to try and take out the opposing cult. That just seems broken to me.

Mate, they RECRUIT. That's even better than a kill. They not only take the Town down by one, but also GAIN one.

The Vig has to guess whether they recruited the immunization target(s) or was the immunization successful. Like, if I was Vig and saw someone getting wagoned to be immunized, and I thought it likely that they will be targeted by cult recruitment I'd be submitting my kill of the day on them.

^THIS^ is why recruiting the "lynchee" (using the term loosely) might be a bad idea. It's a race between the two cults to grow and the Town core to prevent that from happening.

This is why the VIG IN PARTICULAR (assuming there's one) must be VERY ATTENTIVE. You don't want to be shooting your fellow TPR by accident, yet again you don't want to let the cults win a free recruitment shot. GODSPEED.

[Almost50]

To clarify - I thought I noticed someone else mention a wincon on the first couple of pages. I am lacking any kind of wincon.

Alright, I've had t! If a vig exists shoot both this and creature sometime in the future.

Giving away that you have no wincon = signaling the cult leaders to target you as a recruitable target. I tried to save you from yourself the first time, but you seem eager to be recruited.

[Almost50]

FYI, I am either the best or the worst person to grant immunity to, depending on whether granting immunity means the cult will actually recruit me 100% of the time.

OK, I think I've got me a plan:

1- Vote Cerb to be immunized
2- Shoot Cerb

This plan serves two purposes:

1- Make sure no culted-Cerb is in play
2- Give Cerb the opportunity to take his desired break from Mafia ASAP

No need to applause, but I'll accept checks and/or cash.

[Almost50]

Why does my immunity always get rejected ;.;

You love your haters and hate your lovers

[Almost50]

To clarify - I thought I noticed someone else mention a wincon on the first couple of pages. I am lacking any kind of wincon.

Alright, I've had t! If a vig exists shoot both this and creature sometime in the future.

Giving away that you have no wincon = signaling the cult leaders to target you as a recruitable target. I tried to save you from yourself the first time, but you seem eager to be recruited.

Um people have openly expressed they want to be recruited so why is this a big deal? I'm confused.

I vill not allav you to defect from this perfectly fine communist community to join the fascists or the nazis, comrade.

Off to Siberia you go.

[Almost50]

I'm not a virgin D:

I lol'd

[Almost50]

Yeah A50 can be vigged.

How many vigs do you think there are in the game? Cerb first, then me .. perhaps!

P.S. I love Cerb. I REALLY enjoy playing with him. I just want him to be happy and I can only hope he will be off for like a couple of months and decide he misses us and come back for more intellectual challenge.

[Almost50]

also i think boon is a cult leader if that means anything

pedit: why?

To me it probably means he's conf!Town.

Oh, boy! I'm going to love being SR'd for the rest of this game.

[Almost50]

Why is this the first time you're calling this out? I specifically asked Gamma about it, and mentioned I didn't;t have a wincon. Creature came in and said he didn't have one, at which point I again mentioned in more concrete terms I didn't have one.

You're my scum partner, so I wouldn't explicitly call for you to be vigged.

[Almost50]

someone get GBT pls

Great Britain??

[Almost50]

The straights are bad.

We need to scare them off and time warp to heaven.

Anyone who promotes anti-cult sentiment should be...shhhhhhhhhuuuuuunnnnnnnd

Anyone who tries to exclude others from the cults should be....shuuuuuuuunnnnnnneeeedddd

Anyone who wants to be excluded should be.......shuuuuunnnnnnnnned

Recruit me and we will help build...the perfect man!

Look at that mama, she got it sticking in the camera, man! We could have some fun.

[Almost50]

A50 are you almost 5o years old?

Yep. June 8th 1968

[Almost50]

Yo you're older than my dad but younger than my mom.

Can I call you daddy?

Sure!

[Almost50]

You were born before the first man was on the moon. Holy shit your old.

Old is Gold, though. Think, vintage wine.

[Almost50]

And I'll just sit here and think about how I was born after the turn of the millennia.

How did you manage to take that long to be delivered??

[Almost50]

2001. If you were born later than that then DO NOT SAY IT. Only 2001 guarantees you're over 16 y.o.

[Almost50]

A50: Follow me good sir. I will be shot tonight if you get your way, so grant this condemned man his request.

So, did you already submit the action to recruit Chicka??

Nah! I'll just wait for wagons to form and see which of the top 3 I would rather join. If one emerges on you rhouygh and is big enough then I'd join it by default.

[Almost50]

Rather than trying to figure out what exactly happened, just accept the fact the two niw cannot be recruited. Period. Other than that, O'd be going by the navy rule: Don't ask. Don't tell.

So, since we KNOW each of the cults started with 1 member, and thus Town (neutrals) started with 22, it follows that we had 4 or 6 neutrals who could not be recruited (this depends on whether the 16 available dreal mentioned were his count before or after Dunker/Creature lost their virginity)

This also means any neutral with a role PM

other than Virgin

Should claim if put @L-2. We can trust their claims today bc Virgins wouldn't want to fake claim when they don't even know if they're going to get picked by either cult, and the Cult Leaders would not want to stop the immunization process targeting them (because it fails an thus a step to weaken the Town).

[Almost50]

someone get GBT pls

Great Britain??

gigabytetroubador

Aka Katyusha

OK, Gamma has never been in a PT with me (at least I don't remember hi to be), but how could/would you miss the joke when you literally know I fake dumb to extract laughter???

[Almost50]

Can I be a nineties kid even though I was born in 2000

And it finally hits me: Creatuer & Dunker are together bc they were never "born". They both rather got hatched.

Disclaimer: This was a reference to both their avatars, so NO PERSONAL OFFENSE INTENDED.

[Almost50]

I'll give a million kisses to whomever murders vecna.

Would you rub your... WAIT! You already did that to someone else in the previous game.

[Almost50]

Pedit: oooo Porkens, you promise?

Can I spectate??

[Almost50]

So, what's the vote count (for reals)? We need to consolidate on wagons, and I suggest NOW is a good time to pick a new target hat hasn'r been brought up before (so it'd be much less likely they got targeted be the recruitment). I as going to say this in my previous post (the one where I commented on the mod's declaration on Creature/Dunker losing virginity), but I decided to wait just in case the cult leaders were waiting to see who was being wagoned.

Since dreal said it was close to the end of he day back then, I figure the cult leaders most likely did submit their action already (which cannot be modified, remember?)

Some how about we all go for: Lifthrasil/Vecna/Nancy Drew 39/northsidegal/JaydragonKing

I think that's a big enough a pool to pick from.

VOTE: Jay

Reason: I know him to be good at Scum and if recruited he could very well fool most if not all of us. Fortunately there's no killing ability for the Scum to get rid of those who won't fall for his trickery, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

NSG I've never seen Scum!her but she's good at Town, so I'm akin the risk of maybe being able to see a definitive difference in her play if she gets recruited.

Vecna has been giving too much advice I think it will show if his alignment changes. I think his play alone should guarantee he won't be recruited (or at least I hope it does).

Lifthrasil I don't know, but -based on activity- I wouldn't be bothered recruiting him on D1 if I was a leader

Nancy Drew 39 I remember the name, but I'm not sure if we did play together, and she hasn't even posted yet, so probably not a recruitment target either.

[Almost50]

Oh, OK. (and NO, I wasn't paying attention to the VCs before, because I had always intended to use Vecna's approach and add my own touch, so I didn't care who was being voted because I wanted to immunize someone totally unexpected to both cult leaders).

VOTE: NSG then.

[Almost50]

@Varsoon: Is this your first time playing a drealzmer-modded game?

[Almost50]

Oh, bother! I initially mistyped the name as "dreamlerz", but I have no idea how my supposed correction ended up even more horribly!

[Almost50]

VOTE: nancy drew

Sheeping NSG (as always)

[Almost50]

Didn't varsoon kill you in Maplewood?

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I wasn't taking peeks from time to time.

[Almost50]

btw I think Porkens is town here but if anyone wants to kill him be my fucking guest

Sorry, but I have to decline as I'm hetero!

[Almost50]

I have no idea how to cash my vote in guys, I'm just too confused by hat's going on. Any suggestions?

Sheep NSG (vote Nancy Drew)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Nancy Drew

[Almost50]

VOTE: Cerberus666

This is the first speed bandwagon. Get it to L2 Asap.

No, please don't! Cerb would be recruited by now if he is/was available.

[Almost50]

I have no idea how to cash my vote in guys, I'm just too confused by hat's going on. Any suggestions?

I swear you're a CL

btw gonna come out and say I think Chickadee is a CL

I'll join the challenge, and my money is on Varsoon

[Almost50]

Thing is none of us *know* we're immune, besides Creature and Dunker thanks to flavor

Yes we do! We didn't at the start of the game bc dreal wanted it to be so. But DREAL himself said that only VIRGINS are recruitable in an update, and I think you'd know if you were a Virgin or not.

[Almost50]

If u have a better plan, let us know.

I have a plan. Pick someone who is NOT CERB. Someone who you think the cult are less likely to recruit on D1. I'm sure they made their picks by now (I even suspect the day is coming to an end withing a few hours).

Explanation: Dreal could've very much set a secret counter to end the day X hours after Dunker had targeted Creature. It's totally withing his modding meta to do that. That counter is most likely 48 hours. WE NEED TO HAMMER SOMEONE NOW, and it should not be anyone you could pick FIRST if you were a cult leader.

[Almost50]

If you assume cult has infinite play-phase recruits, then it's stupid to ever try to strategize around it.
Cult leader could recruit fucking anyone ever period, it's dumb, don't worry about stupid shit like that.

They recruit once every cycle. They want certain players before they could be immunized. You're a cult leader and have no say in the matter.

[Almost50]

Ya'll motherfuckers can spend 20 more pages worrying about shit that we have no idea of how to control, or we can fucking vote someone and finish the game.

Is this the way you fuckin' would want us to play your games?? "Just vote ro end the day"?? Would you be pleased if we did that to a game you worked so hard on the roles, balance, creativity and flavour? I DON'T THINK SO!

[Almost50]

@Jay: Theme Park is so much different than any other section on the site. There are special mechanics, unique roles.. etc. This is not an open where you know exactly what to do even if you mislynch a PR, nor is it a semi-open where you could still lynch for info. That and the MOD SPENT TIME creating this game. They put in effort to make the game enjoyable to both them and the players. Do you really want to treat it like a paper tissue that you blow your nose into then toss in the litter bin?

[Almost50]

because cult can ALWAYS just wait until the vote gets to L-1 before shooting their recruit at the wagon

That's true, except... THE MOD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE PHASE ENDING SOON. We are in danger of not even managing to vote someone for the immunization. Now WHY would a cult leader risk losing a recruitment opportunity? Are they playing to win or are they playing to make the town lose? NO. These are NOT synonymous to each other, because if they're playing to WIN they are more concerned that they do recruit someone before the phase ends. If they're playing to just make us lose they they'll wait and take the risk of not only missing their chance to recruit this phase, but that the other cult leader would actually be playing to win and has already recruited someone themselves. which means they're already playing catch up.

[Almost50]

Why dod you think hes CL

Cuz he's doing his best to strongarm us into quick voting before we think, and the fact that the proposed target is very likely to have been targeted for recruitment already by either if not BOTH CLs.

Bear with me. OK? Ak yourself this question: Who would YOU want in your team if you were a CL? Like who's capable at both deceiving mist everybody AND making logically sensible arguments in favour of your team that they would make look like they're the best options for Town when -in fact- they are the perfect way for your cult?

I asked myself that question and my answer is definitely Cerb .. and by far (no offense to anyone else).

Now if you agree (or even if you don't) would you -again, assuming you're a CL- want to wait for the wagon of D1 or would you take the initiative at the start of the day to clinch your preferred target before the other CL doe?? I would do the former ON DAY ONE in particular.

Now let's assume both CLs didn't follow that logic, and one even didn't agree that Cerb is the best option. Fine. Now you're a CL who has been taking their time before they submitted the recruitment action, and you see the mod stating the phase is nearing it's end. What do you do? a) Wait some more, or b) make up your mind and submit your action and never care if the town even manages to wagon complete the wagon on someone?

Again, I very much hunt for Scum by thinking like one, and if >I< was a CL I'd have looked at the player list as soon as I got my role PM, and once the game started and I saw Cerb was still in it (i.e. didn't replace out because he didn't want to play anymore) I would have submitted my action on him on the spot.

Considering other scenarios though leads me to believe recruitment actions HAVE been submitted already, and Cerb is sure to be -at least- one of the CLs' targets (unless he IS one, but I don't think he is), and the way Varsoon is going about is either really careless town who don't care at all (maybe because they don't know if they're going to be recruited or not// maybe he thinks whatever cult cerb joins will recruit him too next.. maybe..etc), OR Varsoon is na CL (and one who probably submitted the action on Cerb already).

[Almost50]

Virgin count: 14

Would you believe I missed that little note at the end?????????

So, we already had SIX unrecruitable townies and 2 got added, so we now have 8. Assuming we manage to immune someone successfully we would be 9 vs 2 vs 2 by the start of next phase, which is looking GOOD for us all (except the CLs and their victims), with 11 slots available to recruit/immunize. We probably only need to immunize 2 more (on top of the 9) to be guaranteed we outnumber "each" of the cults, and another 2 to guarantee us majority over BOTH combined.

[Almost50]

would a mod really make a game so townsided?

Townsided??!!

OK, let me try to simplify it more: TODAY is our best shot at actually immunizing someone (since -like I mentioned earlier- a Town Power would have to claim before we hammer, and a VT wouldn't.) So, to each town slot we have a 21-2 hitting ion a townie, and 15-2 on hitting a VT. Now since we already have Dunker/Creature excludes, it becomes 19-2 & 13-2; respectively. Hopefully, we won't land on a PR (a roughly 1 out of 3 chance), but even if we do we will have to pick someone else, and the probability will stay almost the same because it's just one person outed.

So, unless we actually run a CL today, we are likely to run a VT. But that's an oversimplification, for we need to account for the recruitment targets as well, so actually it more of a 17-4 & 11-4 as we stand. Still not bad odds.

Assuming we do immunize someone though, and teh cults gain a member each, it becomes harder for us to hit on a townie. We have only excluded 3 (Dunker/Creature, and the one we immunize today ), but ratios have changed significantly overnight. Now there are 2 member to each cult AND a recruitment target to each of them, so 6 out of 21, and another 6 who are our PRs from the start.

Now let's say we ARE successful on D2 too, and so are the CLs. We can exclude 4 and run any of the other 20, BUT there are now 3 members to each cult AND 2 recruitment targets, so that's EIGHT out of the remaining 20, and 6 others are our own PRs, so only 6 VTs remain. If we hypothetically exclude our own PRs (because

they should claim if run

). we are left with 6 Town vs 8 Cult on D3, and none of them i going to claim anything. Town will want to be immunized, and Cults will want to be wagoned to stop it.

Do still see it as a Townsided game?? I mean, at that point you are more likely to run a cultist rather than a townie, and while you don't know it; they do. They already know both their 4 members/targets AND the ones we immunized, and will also know the PRs who claimed.

Now if we have a vig, that one is more likely to execute a TOWNIE at any iven point, and that may even be another PR. S a Vig, while aligned with the Town could very well mess it up for the Town if they shoot at random or by gut reads only. They need direction, which they probably aren't going to get because WE ALL SUCK AT TEAMWORK.

I think it's balanced, pending more details on the roles/abilities and/or the actual final outcome at the end of the game.

[Almost50]

making all this discussion likely pointless.

But it's not pointless at all. Even assuming you have a 50% chance of being recruited (the one half of the list that did play with you before), that's a bit too high a probability for my liking to run you for the immunization.

I would rather lose a battle to win the war, and thus am less inclined to take that risk of "racing with the two CLs" to win your allegiance. Instead, I'd settle for someone who is less skilled but more likely to be "won". I'm sacrificing my queen to checkmate with the rock, so to speak.

[Almost50]

i thought there was no town tho?

Stop being lazy. The term is used loosely to describe those of us who have been saved and made it to immunity, either by the nature of their role or by being successfully wagoned.

[Almost50]

No, i want A50 on my team.

Are you seriously softing CL??

[Almost50]

Oh, gee! So. I'm about to get my cherry popped! Please be gentle, whoever you are.

[Almost50]

@mutant: We can test that theory right now.

VOTE: Almost50

[Almost50]

No I'm not, but I wont be immunized so I want to preserve the chance!

So, you're saying you're damned?? Are you like.. immunization-proof? (That would be HARSH, tbh. Knowing that you can't be saved means you will always be inclined to mess with those who are).

@All: How likely is it that dreal would include such a role (that would be very helpful to the cults, since the immunization is guaranteed to fail on them). Do you think they'd also be recruitable or do they have a true survivor win con?

[Almost50]

Immunized.. with just one look at you I'm paralyzed
I can't explain, but all Varsoon's posts drive me insane
You've got me on your side
You better believe it
Baby, and I know how it feels

Cross my heart, hope to die
May lightning strike me if I'm telling a lie
Cross my heart, I swear it's true
I've never made love with someone but I think it's now all through
Cross my heart, it's true

(That's a crumb I was a Virgin, and I received nothing in my inbox so I'm assuming the immunization worked fine)

[Almost50]

I'm giving investigatives a chance to claim their results if they feel the need to before I vote

[Almost50]

I got sort of a crazy idea, wanna hear?

When YOU decide you need to SPEAK I don't think ANYONE could EVER object. Please say whatever you have in mind in as much details as you can.

[Almost50]

Evidently the vig sucks

*Thinking to myself* If they hit a certain slot then they do!

[Almost50]

Can we ALL just tone it down a little and actually try to think of the best target for the immunization wagon?

Also, PRs should not claim if run until they are @L-2, and NOT UNLESS THEIR PM EXPLICITLY STATES THE ARE ALREADY IMMUNE. (i.e. do NOT "assume" you're immune just because you have a PR)

[Almost50]

Also, when in doubt hit dreal with a PM. he guy just loves to answer questions and won't hate you for it. The worst that could happen is he will tell you he can't answer, or answers you in a way that is completely accurate but totally useless (sorta like all Microsoft documentations)

[Almost50]

OK, guys. We're still IN PAUSE. (I've consulted the Mod, but feel free to do the same if you doubt me).

"So, how the hell is it that we can sill post?" one might ask, and I shall refer them to the game-specific rules and mechanics where it explicitly says:

DAYLESS - it is always Night over at the Frankenstein Place.

The game thread is always open

.

[Almost50]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE VIG ME

I can't, and I would not recommend it either.

[Almost50]

I think my mutant may make for a good wagon, maybe! That is unless there's strong opposition to him in particular.

[Almost50]

@Porkens: I don't give "full" readlists for fear scum may use them to plan for their next move. Instead, you can ISO me to see how I feel about most everyone. For example, you can't possibly miss that I suspect Varsoon for being a Cult Leader who -specifically- targeted Cerb for the recruitment on D1.

[Almost50]

Evidently the vig sucks

Why?

Because the two I put a target on are still alive.

And what does that mean to you? Can you think of any good reason for WHY that's the case? (Valid answers: Yes I can/No I can't. Do NOT give details/ Thank you.)

[Almost50]

So, what happens if a CL is Vig'ed? According to the wiki the common variant is that the cult will stop spreading but will still try to survive to attain majority (which I guess is nigh to impossible, considering there is no lynch).

A common variation is for cultists all to commit suicide if their leader dies, while a third uncommon variation is for the members to be able to recruit if the leader dies (I imagine that could be done either by an internal vote in their PT on the target, or maybe a new leader would get elected .. something like when a Mafia GF dies and someone else is promoted to be their successor).

So, anyway, WHICH of these variations is the case here? Anyone??

[Almost50]

Honestly I think that team is fucked and can't get converted while the neutrals and the other cult Duke it out for members.

So you think it's the most common variant, and the cult just stops spreading but the cultists keep on living?

[Almost50]

I think my mutant may make for a good wagon, maybe! That is unless there's strong opposition to him in particular.

You have a mutant, cool!

Can we hug him and pet him and call him George?

I call him Marvel though.

[Almost50]

i'm also under the impression that someone caused the pause and we might stuck in this hellish purgatory for a while

#fun

No, it's much simpler than that.
Play = Day
Pause = Night
While actions get submitted by day and resolve at the end of it, time is still needed for the PTs discussions. Cult Leaders will discuss things with their recruits, so they may snap a certain target first thing when the day starts, or push a certain wagon, and so on. Also, Town may have PTs (you know, Neighbourhoods, Masoneries .. etc).

So, who do you think we should circum ... err .. I mean, IMMUNize next??

[Almost50]

If this game works the way you think it does, then what's stopping both cults from full-claiming to avoid cross-recruiting and then just having one cult recruit at the start of Play and another recruit any time something hits L-Cult and have the cult quickhammer?

Each cult gets ONE recruit per cycle. They can fully claim and our TPRs will them claim and we will win because as long as each faction grows by one per cycle we'd always be in the lead.

Also, not ruling out the existence of a VIG yet, so they claim and get shot.

Btw, if a VIGILANTE EXISTS, please pay attention to me later on. I have 20/20 Vision. I super-duper Scooby Doo!

[Almost50]

Yep, recruit me please I don't wanna get rolled

Ay, man, if I was cult, I'd recruit you D1.

Good to know.

[Almost50]

I'm still here. Hi. Have I missed anything important?

Only my strip dance! (i.e. you didn't miss much, unless you're into old bald couch potatoes)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Inferno

I don't mind that either.

VOTE: Inferno

[Almost50]

once their recruit is a success.

But they don't get informed if their recruit succeeded until the play phase has ended. They wouldn't know if they did gain a member or not before the immunization hammer is in place.

[Almost50]

once their recruit is a success.

But they don't get informed if their recruit succeeded until the play phase has ended. They wouldn't know if they did gain a member or not before the immunization hammer is in place.

I’m confused.
Do they recruit during play phase or pause phase?
Is the immune like a RB? Stops from being recruited and stops from recruiting?

They submit the action during the play phase, but it only resolves during the pause phase. Think of it as the inverse of a night action, which would only resolve at the end of the night, so you won't learn of the result until the night has ended and the day is ongoing.

As for immunization, I understand that it makes you unrecruitable, but ONLY IF the hammer occurs before being targeted fro recruitment. Since actions cannot be changed once submitted, the hammer will either be on someone already targeted, a virgin (available for both recruitment & immunization, whichever comes first), or someone already culted or is immune-Town.

In the former case, the immunization will fail and the target will be recruited because the targeting occurred first. In the latter, the immunization will still fail because hat person in ineligible for the immunization process to begin with.

In the case of a Virgin who was NOT targeted for recruitment, the immunization will go through.

[Almost50]

Glad I could get you to cultslip, chump.

Glad to know you're not even trying to read the game mechanics.

[Almost50]

note:

on the chance that 2 actions are submitted that have the same timestamp, I will queue them in the order that they appear in my INBOX (first received first, of course)

Do we get any flavour (may be pure fluff) what happened while we paused?

Also:

vote Almost50

- we know he didn't change alignment during the pause. Let's keep it that way for now.

Mate, I'm already IMMUNE, so I'm permanently a Townie. (Or am I missing something???)

[Almost50]

So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.

We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?

mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.

Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and

CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.

So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))

[Almost50]

PLAY - players may submit actions and vote
PAUSE - players may not submit actions or vote,

actions are resolved in order they were submitted during the PLAY state

@Varsoon: How ON EARTH would they know if their action was successful during PLAY when it only resolves IN PAUSE???????? They do submit the action during play, but it only resolves during pause, so they cannot be notified of something that didn't actually resolve yet!! Duh!

With all due respect, you are an AWESOME, MAGNIFICENT, MARVELOUS, WONDERFUL mod. But you suck as a player, dude!

[Almost50]

So what is the point to immunize then?
If they target someone within the first minutes of play then immunity can’t save them?
Or does it work the other way.

We have to guess who the targeted to block the action with immunity?

mate, once immunized they canNOT recruit the player EVER. That is, I am now UNrecruitable. I'm stuck by the Neutrals side.

Had I been targeted BEFORE I was hammered, I would have been recruited instead, and immunization on me would have failed. Since that didn't happen, then I'm now 100% Neutral for the rest of the game, but 2 others got culted, and

CERB WAS ONE OF THEM.

So, we now likely have 11 recruitable slots (24-(2 CLs+2 recruits+6 TPRs at the start of the game+Dunker & Creature+me))

A50....how would we know whether or not the immunization on you failed?

You shading me is enough evidence.

[Almost50]

Guys, I'm not even sure if I'm making the right move. I was hoping to use one cult to suppress the other, but I'm not sure everybody's seeing what I'm seeing (or rather "those who do matter), so I'm going to do something that might be dumb and expose one cult while I'm still unsure about the other.

Jay IS a CULT LEADER, and he recruited CERB

Spoiler: Case for Jay Cult Leader:

Well if they BOTH have the same idea to recruit him, that just means neither will do it!

Affirmative knowledge that we don't/didn't know.

We demand your neutral blood.

VOTE: cereberus

Probably a crumb at targeting Cerb.

Cults are founded to worship devil's.

You are a devil.

It's sound logic.

Jay loves to start by belittling his own kind.

I'm just going to casually vote myself up and my friends/followers may do the same

VOTE: Jay

The most obvious crumb of all (and I don't even know why he crumbs, tbh): my "followers" may do the same.

So, what happens if a CL is Vig'ed? According to the wiki the common variant is that the cult will stop spreading but will still try to survive to attain majority (which I guess is nigh to impossible, considering there is no lynch).

A common variation is for cultists all to commit suicide if their leader dies, while a third uncommon variation is for the members to be able to recruit if the leader dies (I imagine that could be done either by an internal vote in their PT on the target, or maybe a new leader would get elected .. something like when a Mafia GF dies and someone else is promoted to be their successor).

So, anyway, WHICH of these variations is the case here? Anyone??

Honestly I think that team is fucked and can't get converted while the neutrals and the other cult Duke it out for members.

AGAIN, volueering to give a precise idea of he kind of cult we're dealing with. I don't care of the knowledge is true (i.e. he slipped) or false (i.e. he's lying), because either way it shows he knows the amswer to my question.

And if that still doesn't do it for you, this one should:

99% chance that voting here guarantees we will both not hit someone who is already immune/not a virgin, and that they will not be recruited this phase.

Only chance of failure is if they were recruited yearerday.

100% serious, this is a guaranteed thing, we can carry on with everything else but this is the mechanically optimal choice to make.

VOTE: Jaydragonking

This, ladies and gentlemen was the first vote Cerb casted during "Pause 1" when he thought it was "Play 2", and THAT is what I was talking about regarding this particular AWESOME player. See how smooth he promoted for the totally lethal idea of his? (Btw, @Cerb: Did you misspell "yesterday" or was this intentional??

You may also add the following quote as further evidence:

PLAY resumes

You should stop doing this. If you're going to make a game where time stamps matter, you need to have a set time when you'll accept the submission of actions, known long in advance, rather than just having action submission become allowable whenever you show up.

If I told you all that I could guarantee someone wouldn't be able to be recruited during a phase, would you vote for them in order to extend their immunity and make it permanent?

Cerb is complaining tha they submitted an action previously when they thought the pause was over, and it didn't count. Then the game got resumed and they didn't manage to submit the action a the very start of the phase.

Remember when Cerb said this:

A50, you're certainly overestimating my reputation with this playerlist. Perhaps if there were other people here it wold be likely, but I've played with less than half of the people here, and not necessarily in games where I was impressive.

I do agree that any competent cult would have made their recruits as soon as the game started though

, making all this discussion likely pointless.

And now he's complaining about it????

Like I said, when specifically targeted Cerb with my suspicion I was literally sacrificing my queen to earn the chance to CHECKMATE.

Jay doesn't know Cerb, but the way I went about him convinced Jay he was the best recruitment option, and it served ME to know exactly whom he recruited. Once Jay is gone the cult would stop growing (mod refuses to confirm if a CL could be killed and thus is not telling me what happens IF they do, but Jay was graceful enough to provide me with the answer).

[Almost50]

The other CL "might" be Gamma, or it still could be Varsoon, or maybe it's something I've overlooked. THAT was why I wanted to wait before I exposed Jay.

[Almost50]

The other CL "might" be Gamma, or it still could be Varsoon, or maybe it's something I've overlooked. THAT was why I wanted to wait before I exposed Jay.

What makes you think it's me?

The following sequence of posts stroke a nerve for me. Like something felt off bu I could not find a damning evidence in your ISO.

so like are all actions resolved NOW or what

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE VIG ME

note:

all actions from Play 1 have been resolved

they all resolved (in order of submission) at the start of Pause 1

nevermind not replacing out

PLAY resumes

[Almost50]

I would love to hear from those on my wagon as to why I should be immunized

You're as good as any to me. I don't find you particularly scummy, and I very much doubt you'd be the first pick for my most suspected slots for being CLs.

[Almost50]

Recruit me cults, if it's possible to do so(idk if it is), and your chances of winning increase pretty majorly because I can both deny the other cult from recruits, and also keep threats to you from acting.

The great Cerb doesn't know cultists lose all their previous abilities when recruited into the cult????

[Almost50]

I crumbed him to believe I'm a Vigilante before, Inferno. I could make him think I'm the goddamn President with crumbs if I wanted too.

Don't even TRY to get out of this. Like, you know what actually got my attention? It was the post about cults being formed to worship the devil. Once you've made that remark of despise I just knew you were it. I will elaborate later with references.

[Almost50]

Well you shouldn't use your Jailkeeper on me because I used my shit on Chickadee, Porken, and Vecna.

Three targets already??? THREE???

[Almost50]

BTW, I get that you're catching up, but damnit your comments are so out of place. So irritating.

Knowing you, I probably wouldn't fully trust you before you actually flip. Remember when I pegged you for Scum in Varsoon's anonymous game? remember how you still managed to turn the tables and wash my brain?

Knowing JAY I know he can be as deceitful as a leaf fish, while he looks as innocent as a little kitten. (Example delayed due to bad transmission).

If you two have combined forces in a PT, I fear that there'll be no stopping you. I'd very much rather lose WITH you than lose TO you this time around. BOTH of you.

[Almost50]

Like, how convenient for you two to be PRs and one of you had intended to target the other.

@Cerb: How do you eve know Jay? Why target him over anyone else? Humour me.

[Almost50]

because I had targeted Almost, Dunker, AND Screenplay last cycle.

@Creature/Dunker: Which of you targeted the other??

[Almost50]

PLAY - players may submit actions and vote
PAUSE - players may not submit actions or vote,

actions are resolved in order they were submitted during the PLAY state

@Varsoon: How ON EARTH would they know if their action was successful during PLAY when it only resolves IN PAUSE???????? They do submit the action during play, but it only resolves during pause, so they cannot be notified of something that didn't actually resolve yet!! Duh!

With all due respect, you are an AWESOME, MAGNIFICENT, MARVELOUS, WONDERFUL mod. But you suck as a player, dude!

Subject: Rocky Horror Picture Show - (FULL!) - PM to replace/observe

do note that during the game I won't answer questions posed to me in the thread

Yes, the immunity is permanent and becomes in-effect the moment the majority vote is placed - any player voted to majority, even if they are unable to be given immunity due to any reason (which includes the cult leader and players already recruited), will cause the game to switch to the Pause state, triggering the queue of actions submitted during Play to resolve in order.

This means if playerA is a cult leader and submits the action to recruit playerX on 12:00pm Oct.1, 2020 and the majority vote for immunity is placed on playerX 12:01pm Oct.1, 2020, the vote will cause the game to go into the Pause state, but (assume nothing in the queue prior to 12:00 interferes with playerA) the recruitment will happen before the immunization and therefor the immunization will be void.

This means nothing happens to a cult leader or cultist if they are voted to immunity, but there is no indication of if the vote is effective or not.

There is a limited # of times players may be voted to immunity, but that # is hidden due to the fact that the information could be used to track. This means that, likely, at a certain point the vote for immunity mechanic will no longer be ieffective but I will not take it out of the game so there is no indication of the pace of effective immunization.

Oh boy homie, looks like you're cult sorry
Sucks to suck.

There's literally nothing saying that cult don't know if their recruit worked or not, but, given what I've quoted, there's definitive proof that Cult can recruit before immunization.
So you're just making an assumption or you have specific cult knowledge of how recruiting works.

What you bloody quotes says a bloody recruit can happen before immunization, but DOES NOT BLOODY RESOLVE STILL before the pause phase. The CL bloody submits he action any friggin' time they want to during play, and it gets queued until it pause phase for it to resolve in the order it was queued.

CAN NOBODY ELSE SEE VARSOON IS BEING PURPOSEFULLY OBTUSE??

[Almost50]

Just gonna throw this out there:
What if the Dunker/Creature part was just fluff?

Are you saying the MOD was trolling???????

[Almost50]

Recruit me cults, if it's possible to do so(idk if it is), and your chances of winning increase pretty majorly because I can both deny the other cult from recruits, and also keep threats to you from acting.

The great Cerb doesn't know cultists lose all their previous abilities when recruited into the cult????

Where the fuck does it say that?!

Check the wiki, my dear cute DEVIL!

[Almost50]

Or you could also PM the mod directly for clarification

[Almost50]

pedit: What an assumption to make A50. Like, seriously. I've only played in one game with recruiting, mastins Gistou, and recruited individuals DID NOT lose their abilities in that game.

That was NOT a CULT game. (Click the link to go to the wikipage)

Quote:"At Night, it can recruit players into the Cult; these players henceforth

lose their previous role identities

and become Cultists"

I know you are going to argue further, so I also found you the wokipage for cultist, and I quote:"A Cultist is a player that has been recruited into a Cult by a Cult Leader.

They have since lost the abilities they had before recruitment

."

Is this still an unfounded assumption??

[Almost50]

Recruit me cults, if it's possible to do so(idk if it is), and your chances of winning increase pretty majorly because I can both deny the other cult from recruits, and also keep threats to you from acting.

The great Cerb doesn't know cultists lose all their previous abilities when recruited into the cult????

...you keep proving time and time again you're hyper aware of cult mechanics in this game.
It's almost as if you're one of the cult.

See above.

And AGAIN, can nobody else see how RIDICULOUS is is that VARSOON, who is arguably the greatest mod ever, doesn't know what the wiki says about CULT & CULTIST???????

[Almost50]

I didn't even know what the hell a Sonic Transducer was before that rolecard, let alone whatever movie this game is based off. How can I fake that?

You probably couldn't, but Cerb could.

[Almost50]

Ugh.

A50: Why does cult me do what I did yesterday? Look at my posts with regards to chickadee. Note that I told Chickadee to not take any actions, unless she had unlimited shots of it, AND that I was pushing for her to be our immunization target because I was confident she was the optimal choice.

Do you think cultleader me planned on fake claiming jailkeeper? Do you think jailkeeper me ended up recruited, and is now outing himself as a jailkeeper instead of working to keep his cultleader alive(because hey, they could totally recruit at the start of the day and then I jailkeep them and BOOM, they can't get shot)? Do you think I got recruited, and am now a VT, and am still making claims about being a jailkeeper unprompted for no fucking reason?

First part I'd have to think it over. Second part though; I never said you were a cult "leader". I said Jay was and you have been recruited by him.

Now you tell me, how likely is it that we have a role that can RB up to 5 players AND get notified of how many actions they blocked? What do you think of that?

[Almost50]

OK. I am going to step aside for everyone else to get their say in this, then we move on. I think I made it clear where I stand and for what exact reasons.

[Almost50]

What if the Dunker/Creature part was just fluff?

Nah, I don't see drealmerz suddenly deciding to prank Dunker and me.

WHICH OF YOU TARGETED THE OTHER????

[Almost50]

VOTE: Vecna

The way Vecna played on Play 1 earns him a solid TR,m and the way he crumbed a PR goes with what he is now claiming to be his power (although I misread his crumb for a PI; which returns Cult/Not Cult, and thus I never suspected Venmar when he asked Vecna in particular, but I tried to get him to be more subtle about it instead).

HOWEVER, Vecna is also very far off to suspect Creature when the mod did confirm BOTH players were Virgins and lost the V sign on their heads after the fact.

[Almost50]

What if the Dunker/Creature part was just fluff?

Nah, I don't see drealmerz suddenly deciding to prank Dunker and me.

WHICH OF YOU TARGETED THE OTHER????

WHY DO THINK IT HAD TO BE ONE OF THEM??????

BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE YOU CRUMBING IT BEFORE! SORRY!

[Almost50]

I have a total of 3, and I also have something else I can do.

Let me guess .. you can cook??

[Almost50]

That's a disappointment.

[Almost50]

I don't even probably have the ability to be recruited either

So you're saying you're not sure and YET never bothered to PM the mod?

[Almost50]

If there's like.. and inventor... give me something to play with. If there's a redirector, you may redirect action at me. I just want to be able to do something or receive something in my inbox from just about anybody about most anything at all.

[Almost50]

Creature is winning us the game it seems.

So, 11 immune + 2 CLs + 1 groupie + 11 Virgins. WAIT .. that doesn't compute!

We know we have 11 Virgins = 11 "anything but". out of those we know we have 1 groupie and 2 Cult leaders = 8 "something else"

I know I was immunized, and creature .. *Slaps forehead* .. Porkens already claimed a PR. She was one of the original 6 TPRs so doesn't count towards the "immunized" because she was already immune.

That or VARSOON IS A CULT LEADER and this "greenhouse shagging" doesn't really help us know who IS in a cult and who is not. *Thinking*

(Yeah, this is me typing what I'm thinking in realtime)

Now why was it only 1 with Creature on Play 1 but it's now 2 on Play 2? Is it more likely to be 3 on Play 3, or were 2 targeted (in addition to Creature) on Play 1 and only one got immunized? Because that means he other one might have been a CL themselves... or an immune PR .. or have been "jailed" (helps to cool me down regarding Cerb) ..

I'll leave it at that for now

[Almost50]

14-2=11?

One has become a groupie, my friend. In the same post.

[Almost50]

I think I was an immune PR by default because my role says nothing about being a Virgin and I'm also the character that's Janet's boyfriend/fiance, Brad.

And you've kept this to yourself because??

Also, since you are a PT, would you care to tell us anything else, or do you think that would be anti-town?

[Almost50]

@Inferno:

I would like to inform all of you that

only Virgins may be recruited

Hello?!!

[Almost50]

Drealz games =

1- Pay attention
2- Don't assume
3- Work together
4- When in doubt, ask the mod via PM

[Almost50]

So we'll be informed when one groupie is recruited?

It looks like it, but we get informed in the mid-day update (or maybe after the "greenhouse action" resolves)

[Almost50]

I still STRONGLY disagree with Jay/Cerb considered Town. Why would they be?

1- The mod confirmed one recruitment to have successfully resolved. Why can't it be these particular two?
2- There is no mod confirmation of their actions nor is there one to confirm their roles exist. Why should we blindly believing them?
3- Jay's 1083 is sus as anything. Why is he ONLY buying Cerb's of all claimed PRs?

Porkens claimed a PR. Vecna claimed a PR. Varsoon claimed a PR. Chikadee claimed a PR. That's SIX claims by my count, aside from those who have crumbed or hinted it. And we only started with 6 of them, so...

[Almost50]

you've taught me that you should definitely do that until there is hard evidence to suggest otherwise.

Nope! I only taught you not to lynch a claimed PR on D1. That's all.

[Almost50]

I find Jay's claim especially believable since I really don't think she'd be making it up. She has made us aware that she'll be 'investigating' 3 people per day and if she ever gives us a false result then we could easily find out, or rather, if she is a lying cult player, the other cult could easily find out through their recruitments.

How are you going to find out? Jay only said his ability paralyzes their target(s) (i.e. he's a roleblocker). He added that his trigger goes off if he targtes a CL.

Furthermore, let's say the cult does find out he's lying. What next? Come out and shout: "Jay is lying because we are cult and we found him out"??

[Almost50]

Did you receive a PM saying you were immune after you were hammered?

NO. I received no confirmation. I also received no recruitment PM so I wasn't targeted to be recruited in the first place. And I've asked if I could still be recruited after having been immunized and the answer was once immunized I could never be recruited anymore.

[Almost50]

we are now in PAUSE

(resolving actions)

Thanks everybody for being too damn lazy to even attempt to immunize someone before the Play phase was over.

[Almost50]

Did you receive a PM saying you were immune after you were hammered?

NO. I received no confirmation. I also received no recruitment PM so I wasn't targeted to be recruited in the first place. And I've asked if I could still be recruited after having been immunized and the answer was once immunized I could never be recruited anymore.

So, if that announcement is accurate and only one person was recruited, either someone who is naturally immune was targeted, chickadee is the cult leader or was targeted, and that's all we can tell.

This is assuming everyone is telling the truth about their roles and actions.

Towniest thing you've posted all game. I can't explain why, but this one post is the only one that ave me town!vibes from you, Cerb.

Maybe you should try to post more like this and less about the mechanical stuff??

[Almost50]

Porkens claimed a PR.

Where?

I dunno. I had her down as a PR in my notes though.

[Almost50]

Welp, if Porkens ever

flips

as a recruited PR then we know who their cult leader is :3

If we had any FLIPS we wouldn't be in this mess we're in, now would we?

[Almost50]

Please stop artificially extending the length of this game by making us waste time talking during a useless phase, when there's nothing to actually talk about because(as Varsoon has been saying) nobody has any agency.

Cults do. There may also exist neighbours (or that thing with Creature could create a neighbourhood). I can't believe nobody's got a PT with someone somewhere.

[Almost50]

Yeah, I was kinda hoping that Chickadee being a vig would mean that there were more killing roles. If all actions have been resolved, then obviously not :/

All actions resolved = any alignment change has been PM'd to the respective player and they have been added to their respective cult PT.

TOWN though won't know THE RESULTS of their actions until we're back in play phase. If someone died they were probably notified that they're dead and should not post anymore. However, their killer will only learn of it when play resumes.

[Almost50]

I still STRONGLY disagree with Jay/Cerb considered Town. Why would they be?

1- The mod confirmed one recruitment to have successfully resolved. Why can't it be these particular two?
2- There is no mod confirmation of their actions nor is there one to confirm their roles exist. Why should we blindly believing them?
3- Jay's 1083 is sus as anything. Why is he ONLY buying Cerb's of all claimed PRs?

Porkens claimed a PR. Vecna claimed a PR. Varsoon claimed a PR. Chikadee claimed a PR. That's SIX claims by my count, aside from those who have crumbed or hinted it. And we only started with 6 of them, so...

I'm not thinking PR = virgin

non virgin pardon

I guess what you mean is you don't believe PRs are immune. Virgin is a role (that's the flavour name for Vanilla, i.e. no special abilities), which by necessity means PRs are not Virgins. However, if only Virgins can be recruited then it follows PRs are immune.

[Almost50]

Disclaimer: NSG did bring up a good point though about the announcements not necessarily being mod confirmed. If that's the case then I say it's more likely to be coming from an informed townie, because I can't see scum being told how many PRs prior to game start.

Yet again, even THAT would be o far fetched possibility since a townie wouldn't know "only one recruitment went through".

[Almost50]

Also neither a townie nor a CL would know of Porkens action on the other two, sp ot still looks like it's coming from the mod one way or another.

[Almost50]

What makes you so sure it was Porken’s action?

Disclaimer: NSG did bring up a good point though about the announcements not necessarily being mod confirmed. If that's the case then I say it's more likely to be coming from an informed townie, because I can't see scum being told how many PRs prior to game start.

Yet again, even THAT would be o far fetched possibility since a townie wouldn't know "only one recruitment went through".

what's to say that the person sending the messages is even correct about the number of prs?

also, echoing mutant's question.

She claimed it, didn't she??? That's a confirmable action. She could do it again and claim her targets before the announcements or she's busted. No?

As for the numbers, yeah.. if that was form someone other than the mod then they probably don't know that either, but what is the motivation behind saying that? Do you guys think a CL has that ability and the other doesn't?? Because if it's not from a CL then it must've been from a

townie

neutral on Play 1, and a

townie

neutral doesn't have the motive to mess with town on Play 1 unless they knew they were getting recruited, plus the thing about Creature-Dunker and again involving Creature-Porkens-Varsoon wouldn't fall under the "announcer's" knowledge.

But there's a chance it's all fluff and the announcer is a prankster, since nobody confirmed they received a PM about anything. Then again >I< didn't receive a confirmation PM that I have been immunized.

So, maybe one Cult leader got the announcer ability and the other got the ability to mess with deadlines??????

[Almost50]

But messing with the deadline is so friggin' powerful because it could literally prevent us from going through with any immunization ever.

[Almost50]

If there are other Impressionable Transexual Transylvanian roles, please send in a PM to tie you to 2 players of your choice at the break of the day. Thanks.

[Almost50]

Or maybe Impressionable Transexual Transylvanian IS the general flavour for PRs?? That would mean each of them has a different ability than the others. Hmmmm....

[Almost50]

@Gamma: Well, I know Virgin = Vanilla = no abilities (Remember: Vanilla could also be goon/ww in other games, so it's a basic role with no abilities and could be on any alignment).

What I thought was only virgins can be recruited (as per the first announcement). Now I'm no longer sure because NSG managed to plant the seeds of doubt in my mind about the identity of the announcer, and thus the motive behind their announcements.

[Almost50]

I was about to link Right Said Fred's "I'm Too Sexy" but remembered dreal doesn't like external links, so just consider it posted in here.

[Almost50]

Can the cult use

blood magic

to make Drealm continue the phase please?

I swear to God this is Scum Jay mocking us by mentioning the name of an ability he has.

[Almost50]

Are we claiming now?

Sure.

I claim dum dum. Now give me gum gum.

[Almost50]

So, is this a polar night or something? I know "it is always Night over at the Frankenstein Place" but this Pause phase is taking too long.

[Almost50]

Whoa. Was that a major cultslip?

Probably. Frankly, I've stopped reading the Paradox' posts, but yeah.. this could've been meant to be for the Cult PT, and it is directed at Gamma so it's even more probable.

[Almost50]

My guess is Chicka will never be able to shoot at any given day because "a certain someone" will keep blocking her.

[Almost50]

I will never replace in nor out of any thread, ever.

I replace in, but not out.

[Almost50]

is creature obvscum yet?

No!

[Almost50]

VOTE: Porkens

[Almost50]

VOTE: Inferno

[Almost50]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I can tell you 100% neither cult would want to recruit this one.

[Almost50]

Everybody get on Snarky. Choo Choo

[Almost50]

3 more votes on Snarky, please.

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(allthough im wondering why it wasnt used by the third person during Play 1 or Play 3 if they dont like the survivors, unless they really do have limited charges on it as well).

How about Even/Odd? Or every other cycle?

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@Jay: What game?

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... Another point: I legit forgot you were here Almost.

Now that's YOU catching alzheimer's because I sure have been active in this game.

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I'm thinking....
could the mod be a cult leader?

You can shoot him a PM with the precise question: Are you a cult leader?

Since the game is guaranteed NOT to have mod lies, I think that pretty much would answer your question.

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badmod

I wouldn't say so myself, but then if I tried to refute it I'd be calling you a liar. which is worse!

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Janet gets with everyone in the movie. Idk if I’d see that as virgin for this game.

Yeah, but does she do it with "passion"?? Cuz without passion it doesn't count.

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Soooo.. do we have anything specific planned for today? Like, did the TPRs submit their actions already, so that we can maybe try to outsmart the cults and immunize somebody? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

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It sounds like you’ve been telling yourself that for quite a few years.

14 years, my friend. I've been married for 14 years.

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VOTE: Lifthrasil

I have no better target and my vote isn't doing anything being idle. If anyone can think of a better move I'm willing to listen and reevaluate.

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I'll vote my son then.

VOTE: Venmar

Time to save you, my boy.

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Are you saying you don't want it Screenplay?

Srceen himself doesn't want to be voted!! Check 1611

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Lemme know if u still want me to try and organize my D1 plan. Not that I really care, but its probably still the most optimal thing we can do here

I appreciate your politeness, but I'd rather you do what you think is best without the need to ask for permission first. Please go ahead with your plan if you think it works best.

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JaydragonKing is replaced by Drixx

O-oh!

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my question is why did Jay quit

He probably ran out of good lies to keep him afloat.

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@Drixx: Half the questions I could've asked you wouldn't even be able to answer (unless the answer is in the cult PT, that is), but let's start by explaining how exactly your role works.

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@mutant: Not sure where you love. but it's Feb 17 in the 3 old world continents already, so HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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VOTE: V

This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

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@Drixx: There's a problem there that actions have been blocked (or have been claimed to be blocked) by your ability. At least one Vig shot was stopped and Jay claimed they targeted the shooter but then also claimed -as you did- they didn't get notified of a successful block.

I'll let you read up and see what others had to say, and I trust you know who Jay had targeted so far and on which phases (if nor you can always ask dreal for a run down of your slots action history) and you ca then let me know what you think.

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Btw, I'm not sure people understand why I am very skeptical to accept Jay (now Drixx) role claim.

I think he best way to illustrate my problem is to link you with 2 recent Jay games, one that had started before this one and the other started after this one.

In the former; Jay was a werewolf
In the latter; he was a lyncher

Now ISO him in both games and see how he starts

bearing in mind his role/alignment

in each of them, and come back to ISO him here and compare.

That is also why I said Jay probably replaced our because he saw that -in the second game- I was working out his role through his opening posts, so he probably figured I'd renew my case on him here once that game was over.

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^tl;dr^ the numerous mentioning of a certain role/alignment in particular is likely a tell Jay is that role/alignment. It's like he likes to brag about having crumbed being X and slipped under everyone's noses. Btw, he did win the WWs game, but was NK'd in the lyncher game by non-other than our beloved mod; drealmerz7, who was Yakuza and went on to win the game.

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@Drixx: Please do. No point in waiting that long and it even ruins the game if you keep me going in the wrong direction without trying to correct me.

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Jay admitted in post-game (in both linked games) that he did say "X, Y & Z" and it went undetected. It's like he has that

compulsive urge

to play in a certain way when he is anti-town. COMPULSIVE happens to be the keyword here, He IS aware of the fact, but can't help it.

That said, I'd like to address the self-awareness point in light of what I'm saying: You can accuse me of neglecting to see what a self-aware player would do AS SCUM in a bid to try to be TR'd. You can't though argue that he was TOWN and trying to look scummy on purpose, unless you're insinuating he wanted to be Vigged, which still doesn't make sense for a TPR.

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@A50: chickadee claimed to shoot someone. Jay claimed to have submitted their role block action on chickadee after chickadee has submitted their kill. No kill occurred.

Possibilities:

Chickadee was lying.
Jay was lying.
Jay was blocked.
Chickadees target was protected/invulnerable.

Only one of those options makes jay/drixx a liar.

Agreed. But also Chicka did shoot (and kill) someone so she isn't lying (or should I say she is less likely lying?), and it's also much less likely the blovker got blocked, so it's either Jay lied or Chicka's target (Vecna?) is BP

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@A50: Can you link me recent completed town games

where you were active

? It would save me looking through your topics to find them and I'd be quite appreciative.

LOL @ the underlined.

I'll better that: Can YOU link us all to a game where I was INactive as ANY alignment?

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Btw, I was Town in both games I already linked with Jay.

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40/65 gonna take a break here. Got a whole table going of players / perceived recruitment status and some other shit

holy shit you gonna show the whole thing or what

Yeah I think it will be helpful.

I also totally misread the idea of what a neutral survivor is in this game, I thought it was "if you alive at endgame you win", ie, lurking is a pretty good strategy. So I'm trying to actively scour this game now as opposed to light skimming / dodging.

Glad to know we did immunize the correct person. *Sigh of relief*

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Eck this feels lamist man

I always see this word "lamist" but never reallu understood what the exact meaning of it was.

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@Gamma: OK. I see your point. However, in a game where we are mostly going in circles and have no clear pointers I think I'm justified in being happy to have done something and get a relatively strong confirmation it was the right move.

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VOTE: Boon

Not fully convinced, but it's better than not voting anyone this phase.

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WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Eat your vegetables!

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@Boon: You're @L-1. CLAIM

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Um... so that was one CL, right? I mean, the role says "Groupie" which probably means they started off as one, but I'm not sure about the recruitment limit of just 3!

Also, does creature dying mean he was recruited by Boon??

Also also, if Janet is the CL of the brown cult, what character is likely the CL of the pink one?

Lolololol .. I was overjoyed to see a groupie flip, but I now realize we still don't know fully how the game works. Could it be that cultists can recruit too? In other words, Creature culted Dunker (now Ahsoka)?? Beause if that isn't the case I don't see how Boon was supposed to have a shot at winning the game... except -maybe- counting on our own Vig to shoot more of us than those of the cults. THAT would be the only way for a 4-person cult to gain the majority!

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OK, so readjusting (according tom my theory): The cults have a maximum limit of recruitment shots and we have a maximum limit of immunization shots and then Chicka decides the outcome of the game single-handed-ly???

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@Gamma: Yes, it says GROUPIE. Did Boon start with THAT or was this his new alignment after the recruitment is the question, and I'm more towards it being his initial role because Janet WOULD be a cult leader nit a recruitment.

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And how do you Creature dies as Town? How did he die anyway?? Chicka obviously shot Varsoon, which resulted in Boom dying bc "lovers with Brad", but why did Creature die if he wasn't one of Boon's love targets (in fact, the only one because if there were others they would have died too)

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Actually A50's play is raising alarm bell: the first time I ever caught scum him was for wacktastic theorycrafting, which seems to be similar to this.

Show me a game where I do NOT theorize (provided it's a closed setup. or even a semi-open).

I call Gamma out (again) and he seems to know more than we do about the mechanics of recruitment.

As for mutant's remark about Boons, yes.. that makes sense. Now the question is whether Boons targeting Chicka failed bc:

1- He was blocked
2- She was protected
3- She is immune
4- She was culted by the other cult

I'm NOT trying to shade Chicka. I don't have anything particularly scummy on her. If I was forced to pick from my own list I'd say #3 is most likely, but I'm always wrong until proven right, am I not?

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His wacky theories that have little grounds are probably making Varsoon turn in his grave.

If that's true then I'd be content with it!

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It is isn't "immune to death", It's "immune to being targeted by the Boon ability". She just can't be a lover to anyone, but could be killed by other means.

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Yeah you theorize but as scum you don't really make sense when you do it.

This is an outright lie, because I'm often told I do NOT make sense when I'm Town.

Well, I was going to respond to your other points and stuff, but I realized there's no point. I can't lynch you and you can't lynch me, so I will just reiterate my suspicion of you and will add mutant to the "likely cult with Gamma" list and move in.

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Yeah you theorize but as scum you don't really make sense when you do it.

This is an outright lie, because I'm often told I do NOT make sense when I'm Town.

Well, I was going to respond to your other points and stuff, but I realized there's no point. I can't lynch you and you can't lynch me, so I will just reiterate my suspicion of you and will add mutant to the "likely cult with Gamma" list and move in.

Alright, well I didn't really recall any irrational speculation in GIFpick. Although I'd love to hear the whole "Gamma is cult" case. Do you think I was recruited, or do you think I'm CL? What do you think of my claim?

I think you're more likely a CL, and I don't give a rat's fart about anything you claim anymore

@mutant: Yes, I'm guessing, and there's nothing to REFUTE my guess either. It's one idea I'm putting on the table for all to consider, and I have every right to do so, regardless of how illogical it may seem to you.

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Nope. I'm not going to even explain. As I said before, neither of us can lynch the other, so I'm just sharing my thoughts with everyone else, and I don't care if you like them or not.

Btw; what did you claim again? An alignment Cop that can only target itself, was it??

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OH! So it's something that cannot be easily proven to be a lie. OK. I'm also a Motion Detector, and I detected Motion on Creature on Phase 1, Boons Phase 2, erm.. (let me go check who claimed to have submitted an action or has been blocked in the subsequent 2 phases and get back to you)

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still not dead and still not a groupie

how disappointing

Watch it, young man. No child of mine becomes a groupie!