Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)
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Dear Hitler,In post 30, Nero Cain wrote:Germany denounces Varsoon.
It shouldn't be our concern to help a foreign nation in pursue of their unknown agenda as of yet, but our Nation is kind and generous so, our Congressmen and Congresswomen decided give a helping hand.
You might didn't na zi see it coming, but I believe that God (Zenmar) explained in one of his Holy commandment that while the Nation of yours is not alignement indicative, it very well might be role indicative. I hope that jew understand and please refrain for purposefully reveal yourself in this manner in the subsequents UN Council, some Terrorists Nations might use this information to predict a counterattack in your own Nation, take care.
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Dear Soccer fan Nation,In post 42, brassherald wrote:
Am I soccer fan Nation?In post 41, Joey_ wrote:Dear soccer fan Nation,
The previous statement is directed at your Nation as well.
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Yes you are indeed. Do you prefer to be referred as a Portuguese colony?
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Dear Titus,
I disagree. I believe Chara already explained that [It] disagree about the push based on the structure on the post, as showed here :
Chara also showed similar behavior surrounding Shaziro post regarding your post, Chara used the same kind line of thoughts to critique the people who were discrediting Gamma :In post 58, Chara wrote:it's one, small wall. and a posting style.
I believe that you might've missed that [It] also "chainsawed" Shaziro there because you were biased into thinking that [It] was engaged into defending Gamma.In post 61, Chara wrote:i don't think Shaziro's post was close to spam or nonsense.
but i really don't feel like arguing about something so petty, and i doubt it's AI.
Chara looks like a prudent Nation willing to denounce Nations who dislikes the structure of the correspondances and i believe, as of yet, it has nothing to do with "Chainsawing".
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Dear Chara,In post 71, Chara wrote:Dan: yes, actually.
brass: your timing did look like you were following it. what's scummy about the content?
pedit at Titus: that's really it. all he did was a filler wall. it's not an especially exciting bite. brass's vote was notable because it came after both you and Dan said you didn't like the post.
Joey: there's nothing objective about mafia. though, what exactly are you saying here?
also, why Varsoon?
Our Congressmen and Congreswomen disagrees profundly, there's a lot of information that is objective in the game that is Politics. My point being that there's better and worse reasons to denounces a Nation. Using poor reasons that your Nation personally disagree with on a cultural level means that you objectively disagree with the argument itself and it has nothing to do with the present UN Council.
An exemple : Hitler could denounces an opposing Nation for not participating in the WW2. I, as a Nation, Disagree that not participating to WW2 is a good reason to be denounced and thus, i objectively disagree with the argument itself.
If I am not being clear, your nation can always ask one of my delegate to vulgarise anything for you.
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Dear Titus,In post 77, Titus wrote:
It's RVS. I don't expect anything exciting but we get exciting things by watching hmmm isn't that interesting grow and see who defends. These are good patterns and something you should be familiar with by now.In post 71, Chara wrote:Dan: yes, actually.
brass: your timing did look like you were following it. what's scummy about the content?
pedit at Titus: that's really it. all he did was a filler wall. it's not an especially exciting bite. brass's vote was notable because it came after both you and Dan said you didn't like the post.
Joey: there's nothing objective about mafia. though, what exactly are you saying here?
also, why Varsoon?
You told me to kill, attacked Dan's reasoning and voted Brass.
@Joey, We are clearly not communicating. Your emissaries need retraining. There's not much suspicion on Shaizro just a minor annoyance. Does it not irk you that someone is defending so hard in RVS?
My apologies, we never meant to implies that your Nation had anything close to suspicions regarding Shaziro. We meant to say that Chara used the same arguments to defend two differents nations, and thus is a proven behavior that is not only constrained to the Gamma Nation and thus, has more likely nothing to do with defending the Gamma Nation itself. Are we being clearer ?
Again, communication is our priority and we will try to do our best in the future. If subsequents issues should arrives we kindly demand to be contacted in quick fashion to rectify the situation.
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Dear Titus,In post 84, Joey_ wrote:
Dear Titus,In post 77, Titus wrote:
It's RVS. I don't expect anything exciting but we get exciting things by watching hmmm isn't that interesting grow and see who defends. These are good patterns and something you should be familiar with by now.In post 71, Chara wrote:Dan: yes, actually.
brass: your timing did look like you were following it. what's scummy about the content?
pedit at Titus: that's really it. all he did was a filler wall. it's not an especially exciting bite. brass's vote was notable because it came after both you and Dan said you didn't like the post.
Joey: there's nothing objective about mafia. though, what exactly are you saying here?
also, why Varsoon?
You told me to kill, attacked Dan's reasoning and voted Brass.
@Joey, We are clearly not communicating. Your emissaries need retraining. There's not much suspicion on Shaizro just a minor annoyance. Does it not irk you that someone is defending so hard in RVS?
My apologies, we never meant to implies that your Nation had anything close to suspicions regarding Shaziro. We meant to say that Chara used the same arguments to defend two differents nations, and thus is a proven behavior that is not only constrained to the Gamma Nation and thus, has more likely nothing to do with defending the Gamma Nation itself. Are we being clearer ?
Again, communication is our priority and we will try to do our best in the future. If subsequents issues should arrives we kindly demand to be contacted in quick fashion to rectify the situation.
Kindly,
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We forgot to answer one of the question in your previous correspondance. It doesn't irks our Nation because this situation happened in other UN Council when we weren't Terrorist either. We don't believe it is Terrorist Indicative.
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Dear Titus,In post 90, Titus wrote:
Please for the love of goodness stop defending players you are not TRing. Let things go. Use the logic to lead you to others before getting your defenses up.In post 88, Chara wrote:
show me you're town and i'll consider it, Almost. though that isn't really your style.In post 83, Almost50 wrote:HEAL: Almost50
No better place on the planet to host the congress. Trust me.
VOTE: Koki
One of those days I'm gonna guess your alignment right.
talk to me about Kokichi? so far i haven't seen anything particularly AI from him.
@Joey, Why do you think scum are called terrorists?
We do not believe that scum are called Terrorist by God (Venmar) but all Nations that do not share our agenda are figuratively Terrorists to our prosperity. I hope you understand.
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Dear Smoking Fox,In post 127, marshy wrote:
im voting for the towniest who comes off as capable as making a good decision. we dont kno what the council powers are so scum may have wiggle room to argue for shitty powers. in addition the ability to reach a consensus by the players on best power may not b so cut and dry so im taking that into account when voting someoneIn post 100, Shaziro wrote:Those who specifically want power probably shouldn't get it. In this case, that applies to world congress. I actually kind of like that Titus is being open about not thinking it's a great idea for her to have it, and her reasoning for why not is good. That said, do we really think that the World Congress person needs to be particularly mechanically minded in order to do well? If the list is posted, and we all agree on what we think would be best for town to have in, it doesn't really matter does it? So long as we make somebody we can trust to do as the majority desires, we know we don't have to worry about delegates being wasted and can just yea up the things that go in...right? Am I missing something horribly here?
We would like you to express your ideas better so we can correctly apply value on your opinion. Would you mind explaining why Titus and Dan are the "Towniest" Nations ?
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Dear Varlate,In post 137, Varsoon wrote:As far as who to make leader, I wish there was more Elbirn posting to go off of, but now it feels like he's in an appeal zone where I'd have to be extra critical of everything.
I think that there's probably some link between Joey's garbage vote on me and their support of Kokicheese. As you can likely tell, I am not a fan of that dude being anywhere near our leader. We should specifically make sure he doesn't even get second place.
People have been talking about Titus and I'm like, eh I dunno. Titus tends to get game-controlling when she has a lot of power/setup knowledge, regardless of alignment, and I think it'd make it much harder for me to figure out the slot.
Our Congressman and Congresswomen have been baffled by your various answers considering your position on the Kokichi Nation. We, as a Nation, are asking you to kindly "calm the fuck down".
In that respect, we are moving our active denunciation to the VOTE: Baju something Nation.
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Dear Baju something,In post 165, BuJaber wrote:
really? Can't read my username from the post above you?In post 163, Joey_ wrote:
Dear Varlate,In post 137, Varsoon wrote:As far as who to make leader, I wish there was more Elbirn posting to go off of, but now it feels like he's in an appeal zone where I'd have to be extra critical of everything.
I think that there's probably some link between Joey's garbage vote on me and their support of Kokicheese. As you can likely tell, I am not a fan of that dude being anywhere near our leader. We should specifically make sure he doesn't even get second place.
People have been talking about Titus and I'm like, eh I dunno. Titus tends to get game-controlling when she has a lot of power/setup knowledge, regardless of alignment, and I think it'd make it much harder for me to figure out the slot.
Our Congressman and Congresswomen have been baffled by your various answers considering your position on the Kokichi Nation. We, as a Nation, are asking you to kindly "calm the fuck down".
In that respect, we are moving our active denunciation to the VOTE: Baju something Nation.
Kindly,
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You spend all this time every single post with that intro and signature but this you skimp on?
Your Nation should understand that at the time i answered Varlate's correspondance, I was reading the last few pages and your Nation wasn't in the recent postings Nation, and thus, our Nation was lazy and remembered it was Baju Something.
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Dear Titus,In post 251, Titus wrote:@Ranmaru, Frankly, the gamma vote is ok. I am concerned about patterns. Kochi has the most votes to lynch yet players are not wanting to create a counterwagon for the host vote. One of the lead wagons is also highly likely to be scum due to wagon participation so I am reluctant to unvote.
I'm needing to see more things atm.
Our Nation believe that you are forgetting this is a 21 player UN Council, there is much more variance than a 10p Council. The non-formation of a Counter-Host Vote is less indicative in said Council with a lower number of members.
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Dear Kokichi Oma,In post 255, Kokichi Oma wrote:Dear Joey,
Do you wish to sign a Mutual Defense Treaty between our 2 Nations?
Kindly,
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As our nominee for Host of the UN Council we are inclined to accept an ambassy in our metropolis. But, our Nation are knows as traders and merchants and we would like something in return. For 30 turns of gold and salt we will open the borders for your own Nation and your city states allies.
In a effort to keep the correspondance count low, we as a Nation will also answer to Titus.
Dear Titus,
I want you to understand that I am sensible to your own Nation advancement in VC knowledge. We, our Nation, does values the VC but probably not the same way your Nation does. This is most likely explained by cultural background. I hope you understand.
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Dear Baju something,
Out Nation firmly believes that :
The read and logic you have been promoting for a while concerning the Dunk and Koki Nation are, in our opinion, unfounded and should be dropped immediatly. There’s very little incencitive for Terrorists to ever interact in this way right off the gate. Dunk is also a clumsy Nation almost every UN Council, this behavior is totally better explaines by personnality (that the Nation forgot the delegate votes are permament) than Terrorist Indicative. Kokichi Nation are also one of the most obviously “Town” inclined Nation in the Council. Thus, even if the read itself had merits, the identity (dunk) and UN participation (Koki) tells an other story that is more valable/relevant.In post 288, Nero Cain wrote:Koki's flip has 0 implications that make Dunk town.
About your concerns of the strcuture our Nation correspond, communication is our priority and like we previously explained to one of your UN Council collegue, if the situation present itself where vulgarisation is needed, we shall remove this emissary for a better suited one.
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Dear Beta Emerald,
It has been come to our attention that your Nation misunderstood our previous correspondance with the Baju Something Nation, namely :
This is not what, as a Nation, said in our correspondance. We never implied that Terrorists do not interact much in the early game. We exactly meant what we exactly said :In post 303, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why do you think scum wouldn't interact much early-game?
Basically, we do not believe that the Interaction (in this instance) is a Terrorist Interaction, but yes we agree that Terrorists do indeed interacts to each others for various reasons including in the early UN Council.In post 296, Joey_ wrote:little incentive for Terrorists to ever interact in this way right off the gate
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Dear Beta Emerald,
Good question. We don't really see the Terrorist gain in being this transparent in the 1st and 2nd post about showing support between Terrorist Nations. Basically, this is very very very unlikely any kind of Terrorist plot and trying to read too much into it is falling into WIFOM territory which means, it's more hurtful to overthink the situation.
Kokichi seems like a "thinker" kind of Nation while Dunker is a notable VI (no offense). Regardless of both their alignement, we sincerely believe that Dunk made a genuine error in not knowing that the delegates were permanent for the day. That being said, if you believe that Dunk made a genuine error than trying to read into the associative tells and interactions seems quite useless, because the premise of the association tell is that it was planned to some degree. Wouldn't you agree?
And even in the case that we are in the wrong, this is far from being a big deal considering the Kokichi Nation is very most likely to be a Beneficial Nation than a Terrorist one. Our Congressmen and Congresswomen believes that looking into the future is valuable for the preservation of the UN Council than over-reading into a clumsy action by the Dunk Nation.
Concerning the typos in our previous correspondance, we sincerely apologize. The UN Council is made of many different Nations talking different langages. Our Emissary is trying his best to adapt to the UN Council by using the International langage that is English over his mother tongue. I hope you understand.
Again, as an effort to keep the correspondance count low, we will answer to Varlate.
Dear Varlate,
We are sensible to your concerns regarding the structure of our correspondance. While your points have merits about the distancing factor, it is not something our Nation needs at all to win a game as Terrorist, believe me. Using this format is also a tool for our Nation to keep the correspondance count low for us in a effort to keep the UN Council Forum readable, because we are naturally a "spamming motherfucker".
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Dear Baju Something,In post 320, BuJaber wrote:In post 314, marshy wrote:lets get more dunker/nero cain votes yall
Okay now that one I need explaining.
Last two people I would have paired together.
@Prime minister of staristan:
When I asked you earlier why you did not use my proper name you explained that it was a memory thing. What made you turn it into a shtick?
We have a weird sens of humor and enjoy giving odd nicknames.
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Dear Nation of the UN Council,
We have been largely unhappy with our active denunciation for a while but we hardly found any other Nation that deserved to be scrutinized further. This status-quo ended and we are happy to denounces the Soccer Fan Nation (VOTE: Brassherald).
We believe that Chara, Cuckichi and Totus are all very good candidate Host and should be voted. We can only hope everyone shares our enthusiasm in working alongside said Great Nations.
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Im breaking the RP because i feel like it keeps me from responding quickly to new stuff and it might hinder my wincon.
@Elbirn about Brass: I disliked most of his content, its especially pretty underwhelming compared to the rest of the table. That being said, my mind changed since i made that vote because he's obviously and very heavily softing that his behavior is explained by his role which IMO is not something i think scum just does. He also had that attitude since the very first post so this is coherent with his posting.
Also inb4 anyone try to push that i am fishing for claims, Brass implied something about his role easily 4-5 times since the beginning of the game, if you didn't notice yet then you are just not paying attention, me saying that in this post doesn't help scum as much as it helps town give the guy some space.-
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trollIn post 454, Nero Cain wrote:OMG Joey stop rolefishing.-
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Touché UNVOTE: brassIn post 462, brassherald wrote:Okay time to out my mistakes here. I was trying to act scummy to get people to hop on my wagon. I messed up the slayers gambit last night. Role confirmation incoming.-
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@brass you realize that being scummy on purpose while softing that your behavior is role related defeats it’s own purpose, even more so considering town is much more inclined to push someome scummy softing than scum knowing you are a real pr. If you wanna slayers gambit then go balls deep, dont half ass it-
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Hes messing with meIn post 481, Chara wrote:
do you know what rolefishing is. vote him or stop complaining.In post 479, Nero Cain wrote:Jesus fuck stop rolefishing, joey.-
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FTR i dropped the rp because it takes too long for me to react to stuff and not because someone askedIn post 513, Titus wrote:
Dropping gimmicks on request isn't actually townie unless it gets in the way of a specific objective. So I disagree with that.In post 512, brassherald wrote:@Elbrin, why didn't you want to host? I'm still a bit unclear on that one.
As to who the runner up should be, right now I am actually leaning towards Joey_. I wouldn't be if he hadn't dropped the gimmick, though, but really, once you get around the gimmicky stuff he was doing early on, I like the actual thoughts. I just didn't like the gimmicks.
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Varsoon if you had any problem with me outing the pr read on Brass then why didn’t say anything after i outed said post instead of making a “sarcastic” post.
You are also misrepping directly to the clear claiming that i was “constantly” pushing the role read etc when actually it was a single post and after brass basically claimed pr himself.-
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Btw when you were talking about me for 2nd host, both titus ans varsoon directly misrepped me for different reasons when they actually never showed any problem with my content to me. Titus’ misrepp is prob just because everyone posted a lot since you claimed and she didn’t pay attention, but varsoon its just bsIn post 635, brassherald wrote:
I thought you mean Klazam for a second and I was wondering what you were smoking.In post 634, Joey_ wrote:Shazam = shaziro, im bad with names-
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I wasn't sure, Im having trouble finding scumreads d1 in most game and its even worse in this one, i think that the player base and everyone is performing quite well. Brass was my fos at the time because obviously he had shit tier content and it was aggravated in comparison to the rest of the table. That was most of my fos here then he softed a thousand time and i just realized he was doing something on purpose.In post 646, Varsoon wrote:
Sa'll good. I appreciate you being critical of that stuff, because that's usually what I tend to do--I really can't deal with when someone's representation of the game isn't how I see the game, and that sort of disparity tends to inform my scumreads.In post 644, Joey_ wrote:Holy crap actually someone on this site aknowleding that they made an error over arguing on semantics and omgusing. I will give it the botd UNVOTE:
Why were you so sure Brass was scum, though? Sorry if you explained it already, I'd rather see it now than go ISO digging.
Initially i though that he had an ability about wagons-
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My 2 cents : Dunkers a well known lynch bait and his flip won't make a difference to the game, i suggest you try to poke and flip more active/readable playersIn post 652, brassherald wrote:
I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.In post 651, Varsoon wrote:@Brass:Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.
I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.-
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My compliment was directed at your town play specifically because some people have been arguing that while you are town, they dont want you as WL because unpredictable etc yada. I think you are town because you are invested, engaged and we basically had the same reads for reads for about the first 10 pages. The Chara, Titus TR, Varsoon SR for the same post at the same time, Baju SR etc. The only thing i disagreed with you early on was about creature and it's not because i don't think he's scum, it's because i refuse to vote for someone who didn't give enough content. Take my townread as a HUGE mirror tell.In post 677, Kokichi Oma wrote:
1. Thanks for the compliment, you're a good player too.In post 632, Joey_ wrote:Kokichi, nero, shazam are imo close to be lock town and don’t underestimate kokichi, hes a good player
2. If you think I'm a good player, how do you know I'm not tricking you right now? What makes you wanna have me as "lock town"-
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He's right too, putting all our eggs in the same basket increase the value of the night kills. IMO, if you are alive tomorow, you should completely take control over the Delegates and try to maximises the amount of delegates on the most obvious town -> If most delegates are controled by town, it will take a long time before mafia can like, reduce the amount of town-controlled delegates versus if we have 2 leaders with 60% and 40% of the delegates.In post 690, brassherald wrote:Okay Kokichi is town, he's being just as unbearable as ever now. That's what I saw in the past that I hadn't seen here
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If we nominate a town block of about 5-6 people who will receives the most of the delegates for the coming days, if they get killed off they will keep somewhat of a head-start to keep the snowball effect, so town can get more delegates to give it to town and so on. It keeps the WL and 2nd runner up at least in town hands (if we have half decent reads, its not hard to find 4-5 obvious town slot in a 20p setup)-
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I don't think that number 2 is that unlikely to happen even if they dont coordinate and its just by chance. Also theres the obvious off-chance that only one of those team have the "tools" to assure that brass is getting killed (strongarm) which means that said team will probably be the only one trying to make the kill, anyway i understand your point but it wasn't really what i was trying to get to.In post 702, Varsoon wrote:No, Joey, you don't understand
If there ARE multiple teams and more than one of them tries to kill Brass, then we end up with less dead town than we would have otherwise.
Alternatively, scum avoid Brass, which makes it more likely that they cross-kill and easier for us to win.
Making Brass world leader is pretty much a win/win. Only way it doesn't work out is if
1. The setup isn't multiball, but I've already outlined why it's got to be unless we're screwed when it comes to world congress anyway
2. The different teams/SK manage to all co-ordinate such that only one kill ends up on Brass.
I wanted to find a way to keep the delegates in town hands by electing a block to receives the delegates day after day-
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100% agreed, I don't play much large and i have very poor meta about the big setups so ill just take the possibility in my mind from now onIn post 703, Varsoon wrote:
Also why assuming multiball is important because it entirely changes what you can reasonably townread someone for.In post 700, Joey_ wrote:If we nominate a town block of about 5-6 people who will receives the most of the delegates for the coming days, if they get killed off they will keep somewhat of a head-start to keep the snowball effect, so town can get more delegates to give it to town and so on. It keeps the WL and 2nd runner up at least in town hands (if we have half decent reads, its not hard to find 4-5 obvious town slot in a 20p setup)
Normally, the difference between scum faking scumhunting versus town actually doing it can be pretty easy to pick up on, but in multiball, scum is legitimately hunting scum, so a lot of the ways you'd read alignment from players doesn't work the same.-
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Prison dilemna yea, and yes/no about the confirmed town player. We have to make sure brass is WL but with the least amount of votes needed (in the future)In post 708, Varsoon wrote:
So what? We force a prisoner's dilemma situation on scum.In post 704, Joey_ wrote:
I don't think that number 2 is that unlikely to happen even if they dont coordinate and its just by chance. Also theres the obvious off-chance that only one of those team have the "tools" to assure that brass is getting killed (strongarm) which means that said team will probably be the only one trying to make the kill, anyway i understand your point but it wasn't really what i was trying to get to.
I wanted to find a way to keep the delegates in town hands by electing a block to receives the delegates day after day
If one happens to have a strongarm/strongman, then it's very likely not unlimited use, so them having to burn a use just to get rid of our IC sounds like a win to me.
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Well this is pretty recent and you are getting fosed left and right, you also gave you permanent delegate first thing into the game so i disagree, you are still lynchbait (in case youre town here)In post 715, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
um excuse me but i'd like to think im somewhat not lynchbait anymoreIn post 654, Joey_ wrote:
My 2 cents : Dunkers a well known lynch bait and his flip won't make a difference to the game, i suggest you try to poke and flip more active/readable playersIn post 652, brassherald wrote:
I did respond, but, I really think Dunker is scum.In post 651, Varsoon wrote:@Brass:Dunno if you got back to me or whatever, but did you figure anything out from your attempt at gambiting around IC? iirc you didn't have anything conclusive, but I could be wrong and also you've had more time to think on it now.
I also got a few town reads from it, but not as much as I was hoping. I do think revealing with the World Congress still up for grabs ended up being a better play than anything I was able to do with my gambit, though.
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Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this gameIn post 718, Dunkerdoodles wrote:my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying-
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Jeez, like i said in case you are town. Do i need to be extremely explicit every single post that im calling you lynchbait assuming youre town?In post 720, Dunkerdoodles wrote:
why am i lynchbait this game and not just scum?In post 719, Joey_ wrote:
Hm okay, what im saying is that you are lynchbait this gameIn post 718, Dunkerdoodles wrote:my meta is not lynchbait anymore is what im saying
VOTE: joey-
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I just think you are naturally, superficially, objectively a scummy player regardless of alignement. You aren't charismatic for 2 cent and you aren't here to make friends, so you dont give a crap about apparences hence you get wagoned easily for reasons that have merits, most of time imo.
My stance about you as a player is to not rush a read and wait for an opportunity where you can actually towntell and to see past your shit posting. This game, you haven't towntell yet so it's a waiting game-
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I would if i was scum, this is his reasoningIn post 734, Chara wrote:
my question was random? it was because of Varsoon's posts on the matter.In post 728, Dunkerdoodles wrote:that was random
i wouldn't be surprised if it was tbh based on the nature of the game
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i usually assume it's singleball until something comes up that might mean it's multiball ie. 2 nks
and your Joey vote. i was thinking if itwasmultiball, Joey's supposed assumption you're town wouldn't really matter, since he wouldn't know your alignment.-
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Scum would have no incentive to ever communicate to the other team, in almost every scenario here that i can think ofIn post 739, Shaziro wrote:I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.
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Coordinating kills is pointless in the start of the game, it's not worth revealing that your'e scum to the other scum-team (in a classic early-game scenario), they will just kill your assIn post 743, Chara wrote:
scum in multiball should 100% know it's multiball, is my opinion. perhaps there's some room for uncertainty if the scumteam is incredibly beefed up, but i've not seen a setup like that.In post 739, Shaziro wrote:I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.
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not scumreading Varsoon anymore. not just the multiball spec, though i like the way he presented that.
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good oneIn post 753, Varsoon wrote:
Oh, lol, if I wanted to communicate to the other scumteam, I wouldn't be subtle, I'd just be like:In post 739, Shaziro wrote:I can’t decide if Varsoon’s recent contributions feel more like town trying to analyze, or scum that has at minimum a pretty good idea that it is multiball and is trying to communicate to the other team.
Thoughts from my townread friends?
Red team, don't kill the IC--we're taking care of that.-
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@Brass We are humans and this is a game, you can't force yourself to forget behavior from an ongoing game, thus you can use your meta info but you can NEVER reference it or soft it's from the ongoing game. Do you understand the difference ? Also, in the same spririt just you talking about using info from an ongoing game is against the rules so use your jugement and don't talk about this anymore. If you have any question ask the mod (dont modkill me pls)In post 906, BuJaber wrote:@shaziro - I dunno maybe. Venmar was kinda vague about whether or not roles are related to civs. But he explicitly said civs were not alignment indicative.
I think varsoon is town from our interaction. I was hoping the people townreading him would respond before he did but I'll just have to sort them based on something else now.
-general mafia question: If I don't say the reason why am I allowed to meta read someone based on ongoing games? Feels like a no but I want to be sure. Well actually how do you stop yourself from subconsciously doing it anyway?
-pedit: joey as this is the first day and we don't know much about the congress I want to wait for brass to be confirmed host before we end the day so yeah we need the lurkers to use their congress votes.-
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Interesting in which capacityIn post 921, Jodaxq wrote:I wasn't voting because I wasn't caught up to the game. I do think the nonvotes outside of me and Assembler are interesting.
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Chara and myself were voting and fosing the IC, we both unvoted then I fosed Varsoon who made a mistake he aknowledge, so i gave botd and unvoted. Whats your problem with non-voting people, would you prefer i place a vote im not confident in?
pedit: then read the game and dont half-shade people not voting