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Hey, if it offends him, im fine using mob instigated beating. I dont need a defense.In post 18, Alisae wrote:does it offend you?
Thank you for making me realize the wrong of my ways sire.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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You're british, no surprise you dont like jokesIn post 24, Hopkirk wrote:
You've got a lot of nerve just coming into the game making jokes instead of contributing anything. I'd give you a finger of suspicion, but that would make typing hard so I'm going to have to go with a vote instead. VOTE: Windows XPIn post 22, WindowsXP wrote:I suggest we use the term Uninstall. But perhaps I am just biased.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Newbie game, it had formerfish and me, i replaced out, you were almost policied
The game was like 300 pagesAge of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Really dont remember this? It was a historic game, you even helped spam it into 250 pages longAge of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Yeah thats what i thought lmao, that was why i was surprised
I thought ableist language was insulting qgainst disabled people, i fail to see where ico did that?
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Shitslinging is the name of the gameIn post 113, Flopz wrote:Hiiii everyone I've taken a long sabbatical since the mess that was my Team Mafia game to try and rekindle my enjoyment of Mafia as a whole. I hope we can all get along and not instantly turn to s***-slinging as I find that really takes the fun out of the game
We'll start off with a nice VOTE: Ico. You were a good doc, it was a shame about the rest of TM
You either lolhammer or get lolhammered, no inbetween
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Windows startup sound??? :Lol: :XD: :ifunny:
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Not really, but i understand where you are coming from. Hammer happened while i was asleep. At that time i didnt have any better spots to vote, so i wanted to save it for when i had an idea. I didnt think an ico lynch would happen, or if it did i'd be there to review the reasons instead of a lolhammer. Hindsight is something i didnt have.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Thats not 1/5 plus 1/3 though.... You have to multiply it. Its 1/15. What the fuck??????In post 347, Grumpy Cat wrote:If we launch scum today, the EV for a town victory is 1/5 + 1/3 = 53.33%
If we launch town today, the EV for a town victory is 2/5 = 40%
We still want to be launching scum. There's like a niche scenario we could have where there's an extremely obvscum and then the other scum could be a deepwolf, in which case there might be value in launching someone else and keeping the obvscum around for tomorrow, since we can outright win D3 rather than having to find the deepwolf.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I overreacted there. But still, how do you mess that up
Mislynching seems like the most optimal route actually. They also have to night kill so there wont be any no kill shenanigans. I want to see where alisae leads, maybe i can even get scum from this but for now i just want to move forward.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?In post 359, Alisae wrote:
dude it was an accident wtf?In post 348, Donempire wrote:
I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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But lolhammering isnt bad play apparentlyIn post 379, Alisae wrote:I think its strange and the explanation he’s given for it is strange.
I also think his primary focus is not scumhunting given at the start of this day, he votes me for basically being a liability and is trying to justify mislynching me with EVs and saying I’m a liability.
Why are you defending leaving an RVS vote on someone you townread? You may see it as common but at the end of the day, it is still bad play.
Well me leaving my vote on him was an accident thenAge of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I actually dont, my math sucksIn post 354, Grumpy Cat wrote:wait, no other way around. whatever, you know what I mean
Alright, not sure we're thinking the same thing, so just to clarify:
If we mislynch today:
Tomorrow is a %40 chance we lynch scum. Game ends there.
If we lynch scum today:
Tomorrow is a %20 chance we lynch scum, if we miss that we have a %33 chance. 1/5 + 1/3 which is 8/15, around %50(?) So lynching scum today would be beneficial, but theres also todays chance of lynching scum, which is 2/7 which you have to multiply this by. Its overly mathy, but my point is we dont lose out on anything if we mislynch today. We can make associations, just like we can with a scum flip, but i've seen that in experience wagons on town lead to more information. Either way, you're right, i guess it doesnt make that much of a difference.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?In post 384, Alisae wrote:
Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.In post 380, Donempire wrote:
Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?In post 359, Alisae wrote:
dude it was an accident wtf?In post 348, Donempire wrote:
I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Checked, and you're right. Last vc was 4 pages ago. I still dont see why you dont check previous vcs before voting someone.In post 385, Alisae wrote:
I didn’t check VCs because there weren’t any VCs at the timeIn post 383, Donempire wrote:I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Thats what im thinking. After the day runs it course lynching alisae would prevent us from mislynching e in case e is town, and if es scum thats another headache dealt with. This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.In post 392, Grumpy Cat wrote:
Basically, the important part is that if we launch scum today, we have a 46.7% chance of winning overall.In post 386, Donempire wrote:
I actually dont, my math sucksIn post 354, Grumpy Cat wrote:wait, no other way around. whatever, you know what I mean
Alright, not sure we're thinking the same thing, so just to clarify:
If we mislynch today:
Tomorrow is a %40 chance we lynch scum. Game ends there.
If we lynch scum today:
Tomorrow is a %20 chance we lynch scum, if we miss that we have a %33 chance. 1/5 + 1/3 which is 8/15, around %50(?) So lynching scum today would be beneficial, but theres also todays chance of lynching scum, which is 2/7 which you have to multiply this by. Its overly mathy, but my point is we dont lose out on anything if we mislynch today. We can make associations, just like we can with a scum flip, but i've seen that in experience wagons on town lead to more information. Either way, you're right, i guess it doesnt make that much of a difference.
If we launch town today, we have a 40% chance of winning.
Launching scum is slightly preferable, but there is utility in launching launchbait if we think they'd be a liabilty in LyLo, since we can flip town!them with small consequence. I can't see launchbait this game though (yet).Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I'm not worried about you pushing me. But that shouldnt be your primary concern when you just lolhammered yesterday, because it just looks like you sweeping it under the rug. Now you're responding to it, so this isnt as big of a concern for me.In post 388, Alisae wrote:
You seem the most sus person on that wagon because you enabled that wagon to reach 5 votes when you could have easily made sure that that didn’t happen by unvoting.In post 383, Donempire wrote:I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?
And how am I not supposed to see your slot and think that what you’re doing is strange? Not only did you enable that wagon to reach 5 votes, but you’re also coming into the day phase trying to label me as a liability and saying why its better to mislynch then it is to lynch scum. Like this is really strange because it feels like you’re not trying to find scum. Do you have any other suspects or am I your only suspect?
I voted Icon because I scumread him and he was acting weird in regards to Windows and I liked Windows the most between their discussion with Icon. Thats why I voted Icon and I didn’t realize I hammered until I woke up and saw that I hammered. I’m sorry. I fucked up.
I still stand by that. I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I never said i wanted to rush lynching you. I want this day to run its course and then we can go into d3 with reactions to this push.In post 396, Alisae wrote:
becauseIn post 391, Donempire wrote:
Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?In post 384, Alisae wrote:
Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.In post 380, Donempire wrote:
Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?In post 359, Alisae wrote:
dude it was an accident wtf?In post 348, Donempire wrote:
I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.In post 344, Piergeiron the Paladinson wrote:
You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?In post 341, Donempire wrote:Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?
I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.
A. I’ve been trying to find scum all game
B. If you flip me today and I flip town, you bring the game into F5 which is more favorable for scum because no one has that much info to go off of considering how quickly D1 ended. You need to spend this day trying to find scum and get more information to work off of. If you don’t do that and lynch me because you think I’m a liability, then it doesn’t matter if you lynch scum tomorrow, how are you going to do that in F5 when its significantly harder to due to the lack of information.
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You're obvtown?In post 401, Alisae wrote:
The thing is you CAN lose with this.In post 394, Donempire wrote:This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.In post 407, Alisae wrote:
If you’re scum then you’ll probably continue to push this because its actually very easy to do so and you’ll mislynch and create a F5 where you’ll probably win. This worries me a lot because by the time F5 is created, its favored for scum since D1 was cut short and D2 was spent flipping the hammerer who was innocent all along.In post 400, Donempire wrote:I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.
If you’re town I need to convince you why you need to make an effort to scumhunt instead of voting me due to the fact you think I’m a liability. I get you may think that my slot is unreadable because of that hammer, and I think if you are town you’re approaching it from the wrong angle. If you think an action is unreadable, you should not read into it or read into it once you have more evidence/information.
Right now, what we need is more information and more investigation.
Do you have any other suspects?
Also what do you think of the hopkirk kill?
I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent. Why wouldnt a wagon on you create discussion? Information? Help me scumhunt? Why wouldnt me talking with you help me determine your alignment? The more you tell me to back off i want to go in further, because i dont see town doing this.
Hopkirk kill is meh. I dont think scum had many ideas and just killed someone they thought could turn the game around, the only suspects that come to mind are cat and flopz since they played with him before. Otherwise seems like a random kill.
I have other suspects, but i want to focus on you now.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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You can see yourself as obvtown. I dont know why i or anyone else would, your iso is pepe images over and overIn post 410, Alisae wrote:
prior to the lolhammer I would see myself as obvtown, ya. Why wouldn’t I?In post 406, Donempire wrote:
You're obvtown?In post 401, Alisae wrote:
The thing is you CAN lose with this.In post 394, Donempire wrote:This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Because its easy to push, but if you dont slip up further i cant confidently reach a town!you lynch, since im only basing this wagon off off one thing, and its basically a policy lynch. Meanwhile if i just let you live i can bring up the lolhammer and discredit half your argument.In post 414, Alisae wrote:
Why?In post 411, Donempire wrote:I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.
NotedIn post 415, Alisae wrote:
I mean its pretty easy to reach this conclusion when you start the day pushing me as a liability and suggest that mislynching is +EV. Why would I not tell you to back off if thats what I think you're doing?In post 411, Donempire wrote:I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent.
(Also I just don't react well to being voted/suspected in general but thats a me thing as both alignments and there's no way for you to know that)
I just woke up, but i'll try to come back to detailing my reasons after i read the new posts.In post 416, Alisae wrote:
why do you think it sucksIn post 413, Donempire wrote:After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Yo
If you had
One shot
One opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
One moment
Would you capture it
Or just let it slip?
Yo
His palms are sweaty
Knees weak arms are heavy
Theres vomit on his sweater already
Moms spaghetti
He's nervous
But on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop
Bombs
But he keeps on forgetting
What he wrote down the whole crowd goes so loud he opens his mouth but the words wont come out
Hes choking how
Everybodys joking now
The clocks run out
Times up, over, blow!
Snap back to reality
Oh, there goes rabbit
He's so mad, but he won't give up that easy? No
He won't have it, he knows his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope, he knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows, when he goes back to this mobile home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo, this whole rhapsody
Better go capture this moment and hope it don't pass him
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
His soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This world is mine for the taking
Make me king, as we move toward a New World Order
A normal life is borin', but super stardom's close to post mortem
It only grows harder, only grows hotter
He blows, it's all over, these hoes is all on him
Coast to coast shows, he's known as the Globetrotter
Lonely roads, God only knows, he's grown farther from home, he's no father
He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water
These hoes don't want him no mo', he's cold product
They moved on to the next schmo who flows, he nose dove and sold nada
So the soap opera is told and unfolds, I suppose it's old partna, but the beat goes on
Da-da-dum, da-dum, da-da
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
No more games, I'ma change what you call rage
Tear this motherfuckin' roof off like two dogs caged
I was playin' in the beginnin', the mood all changed
I been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage
But I kept rhymin' and stepped right in the next cypher
Best believe somebody's payin' the Pied Piper
All the pain inside amplified by the
Fact that I can't get by with my nine to
Five and I can't provide the right type of
Life for my family 'cause man, these goddamn food stamps don't buy diapers
And its no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer
This is my life and these times are so hard
And it's getting even harder tryna feed and water my seed, plus
Teeter totter, caught up between bein' a father and a prima donna
Baby mama drama, screamin' on her, too much
For me to wanna stay in one spot, another day of monotony's
Gotten me to the point, I'm like a snail I've got
To formulate a plot or end up in jail or shot
Success is my only motherfuckin' option, failure's not
Mom, I love you, but this trailer's got to go, I cannot grow old in Salem's Lot
So here I go, is my shot
Feet, fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
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A school is an educational institution designed to provide learning spaces and learning environments for the teaching of students (or "pupils") under the direction of teachers. Most countries have systems of formal education, which is commonly compulsory.[2] In these systems, students progress through a series of schools. The names for these schools vary by country (discussed in the Regional section below) but generally include primary school for young children and secondary school for teenagers who have completed primary education. An institution where higher education is taught, is commonly called a university college or university, but these higher education institutions are usually not compulsory.In post 500, WindowsXP wrote:It's interesting Dong came in, said they were going to read the new posts, said they were up, and then dipped and haven't added anything since. Would be nice to know why ;D
Anyways I need to go to sleep.
If anyone with more free time than me would like to give me things they'd like me to give opinions on within this game I'd really appreciate it because rereading takes a ton of effort and I can only do it on days where I don't work double shifts.
and re: having an alt: people do know who I am at this point, no need to flex your tiny ego (:
re: posting games: do your own work I am too busy. I already mentioned 1 game u can go look at it yourself.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Im back babyIn post 523, Flopz wrote:
Wow, he actually just memed and left. I was kind of waiting for something to happenIn post 518, Grumpy Cat wrote:Pretty sure Dogem is trying to distract us and lead us down random avenues of discussion so that we forget this is a mafia game and end up talking about Rastamouse for 10 days.
I had to play leagueAge of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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So alisae asked me to expand on my windows scumread.
I dont see anything conclusively scum motivated in this batch of posts. What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good. On top of that, his third post here says that ico never responded to him, and that it is only scum indicative. However, he did. Literally the post before that.
Its lazy, but thats ico for you. And its quite clearly a response, and saying otherwise is just misrepresenting.In post 213, Iconeum wrote:
thereIn post 206, WindowsXP wrote:Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.
Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be dislikingthe pressure thatPaladinis putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMISTor because of their push on Hop?
After that, its reasonable to vote him back since hes saying ico didnt respond when he just did, and the only response ico gets after that is "omgus xd". I dont see how you as ico dont get pissed at this, on top of that weird disclaimer at the bottom which ico didnt do. I even thought he was memeing thereAge of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Also,In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?
If you didnt want to risk alt slipping, you shouldnt have brought it up.In post 424, Grumpy Cat wrote:Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I didnt say you were sus. I said if i had to make sense of a hopkirk kill it could only be you two, since you're the only ones that previously played with him.In post 445, Grumpy Cat wrote:Dogem saying we're sus because we both knew Hop and he was killed is pretty iffy, especially since I'd just been talking about how I don't think you ever kill Hop there. Like, why not talk to me about that, Dogem?
I dont think its reasonable to find scum just based off off this, but if i wanted to make sense i dont see anything else.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Im fine with lynching you, but no way am i throwing because you got tilted i asked for your main, the main that apparently played with ico and was the reason you pushed him. You're saying something logical and then asking for something irrational. That doesnt fly by me.In post 534, WindowsXP wrote:You know what I'm actually really annoyed at this point. Im revealing what I want as a strategy. I want to get hanged today. I want a guaranteed ML. In exchange, you guys vote who I choose. Theres a 2/5 chance of hitting right tomorrow into a full win. Its easier for scum to obfuscate when they get elimed earlier. I am a firm believer of scum teams being much more obvious over time.
Finding 1 scum out of 6 should not be difficult.
As scum i would have done 0 analysis/interacting today and just pushed ppl to get me to L-1 so i can self hammer for 5 way and no real way to determine whoever my partner may be and go back to step 1.
Right now I'm looking at Paladin/Flopz/Dong as my scumpool. It's tentative for now but I can explain later.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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I dont remember a lot of alisae except es push on ico, which i actually liked. I thought posts like 275 and 280 were inquisitive without being overly aggressive. It ended too early for me to make any heavy statements, but i dont have a problem with alis d1 except for you know what.In post 481, WindowsXP wrote:There is enough plausible deniability that if you're going to try to use the lolhammer as an argument you are going to get no real conclusions.
Also your claim about what you'd do with Alisae as scum while simultaneously not really sorting em is odd to me Dong. How do you read the rest of eir D1 minus the lolhammer? Was it towny or scummy? Let's say that, theoretically, Ico was not at L-1 on D1 when alisae voted, and the game continued. Was their move there scum?
Let's answer some real questions about motives and analysis.
Where did I ever reach a final conclusion? I was offering a case against Ico and I was letting them refute it. Let's talk about that. Do you think my push was scum motivated? Why? What was suspicious about my posts?
Tell me what exactly struck you as scummy.
Also, important, do you think Ydrasse's d1 is town to you? They voted Ico too and did not declare L-1, and are a passive voice this game. I'm wondering what you may think about that slot.
Yes. Even if not scum motivated, it was done in bad faith. Posts like 206 prove that. I explained my reasoning already. Post 214 clearly reaches a final conclusion as well since you say theres nothing but scum motivation there.
I would also like to note im just repeating myself here. I already said everything i said here in 528
I think my votes on ali so VOTE: Windows
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So this is what i dont get. You say that ico is scummy and vote him, then turn around and say that doesnt mean you wanted him dead. You say that you want to pressure ico but then talk down to him and just confscum him, then stop talking to him. This kind of behaviour is only exhibited by scum that want to cover both sides of their ass. If you want to pressure someone your vote does virtually nothing. Pressure them by arguing with them in good faith. You didnt do that, so i keep finding it hard to believe you went in there with any other intention than mislynching ico.In post 532, WindowsXP wrote:Dong - the reason I said that was because I was pushing Ico to do things that are more alignment indicative. Do you think because someone presents a case on someone and pressures them they are immediately calling for their head? Look at what O said right before i went to sleep the night ico got hammered. I said i was keeping my vote there as pressure essentially. People like ico try to cruise by by playing entitled and I don't like that kind of style since it removes alignment indication.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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1-windows is scummier. And i think e has a point. If i still kept on trying to lynch em then in a townflip i end up with nothing. And in a scumflip i still end up with no info, so even if i dont get a windows lynch i'd like to think looking elsewhere will at least get me more info. I'm not saying im completely convinced out of it, but i want to check out windows, and then ydrasse. Consider my elimination pool there, i'm still thinking on it.In post 549, Grumpy Cat wrote:Dogem, I got some questions for you while you're here!!!
1) What about Ali made you change your mind on policying eir?
2) What's your read on Mr. Paladin?
3) Are you the kind of player who likes to sort your thoughts into a notes PT, or do you just wing it? Trying to get a read into your process.
2- lurker, lean scum
3- I just come in, read some stuff, close it, do homework/go out w/e and then come back at night and respond to anything i remember and new stuff. So no, i just react to whatever i remember reading and just read, which is why i sometimes end up responding to stuff posted pages prior.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Good old wifom. I havent used this term in 5 years probably. I thought i was cool using it, then it got old quick, and no one really did it.In post 534, WindowsXP wrote:You know what I'm actually really annoyed at this point. Im revealing what I want as a strategy. I want to get hanged today. I want a guaranteed ML. In exchange, you guys vote who I choose. Theres a 2/5 chance of hitting right tomorrow into a full win. Its easier for scum to obfuscate when they get elimed earlier. I am a firm believer of scum teams being much more obvious over time.
Finding 1 scum out of 6 should not be difficult.
As scum i would have done 0 analysis/interacting today and just pushed ppl to get me to L-1 so i can self hammer for 5 way and no real way to determine whoever my partner may be and go back to step 1.
Right now I'm looking at Paladin/Flopz/Dong as my scumpool. It's tentative for now but I can explain later.
But yeah, saying you would do a tactic, one thats not really good since you're forcing your partner to solo the game, and then not doing it doesnt clear you when you've done so many other scummy stuff.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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Hahahahahahahah....In post 556, Grumpy Cat wrote:UNVOTE: Windows
Dogem + Paladin probably.
Dogem, your earlier post has broken post links. You probably copied it over the quoted version from the scum PT, and you just confirmed you don't use notes PTs. I don't feel good about this but a scumslip is a scumslip.
thats funny
thats literally the 5th time i had broken post links this week
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I think windows had an agenda when they were talking with ico. I understand a bit of aggression but from what i see im almost certain that windows went into it with the intention of mislynching ico over getting info, because in 4 posts they go from disliking icos playstyle to lockscumming them. Couple that with windows misrepping ico when they said he didnt respond to their question, and im feeling confident on this slot.In post 558, Alisae wrote:
What do u not like about it because this was what I thought of Icon’s catch up at the timeIn post 528, Donempire wrote:What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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No way im letting you end the day early. Thankfully you're tunnel visioned and didnt see grumpy unvoted.
I dont use PTs. i just suck at using phpbb, and this has happened a few more times this week.In post 566, Alisae wrote:
Two things are wrong with thisIn post 556, Grumpy Cat wrote:UNVOTE: Windows
Dogem + Paladin probably.
Dogem, your earlier post has broken post links. You probably copied it over the quoted version from the scum PT, and you just confirmed you don't use notes PTs. I don't feel good about this but a scumslip is a scumslip.
A. It goes to post 0 which doesn’t normally happen if you just use [post] code
B. Even if he did copy it from one PT to another, there are people who like to have a separate PT to keep track of their thoughts. Occasionally I do this, Datisi does this, Bugspray does this.Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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https://prnt.sc/ug6sct
This is what the site link looks like for me. I reached that page by going to post 547 through iso. Normally if i copy pasted that link it should lead to 547, right? It doesnt for me. And i dont see that it doesnt because the link doesnt expand until i click on it. This is the same for my phone.
You convinced grumpy, or do you need me to video the whole thing?Age of Empires Elo: 1500 something in DE, 1800 in HD
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