Micro 966 - DDD: DD? [game over!]

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VOTE: Iconeum
Hey ico! Its that time of the day where we policy lynch you again. Just like good old days

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does it offend you?

Hey, if it offends him, im fine using mob instigated beating. I dont need a defense.
Thank you for making me realize the wrong of my ways sire.

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I suggest we use the term Uninstall. But perhaps I am just biased.

You've got a lot of nerve just coming into the game making jokes instead of contributing anything. I'd give you a finger of suspicion, but that would make typing hard so I'm going to have to go with a vote instead. VOTE: Windows XP

You're british, no surprise you dont like jokes

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If we're all caught up, i cordially invite you to the collective beating up of iconeum

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Ok

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Hey ico, remember cyrus?

Im getting incredible cyrus vibes from flopz. You think hes an alt of his, his cousin?

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Actually with your level of spamming maybe you're a cyrus alt too.
Well regardless, question remains.

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do i remember Cyrus? hmmm

not really

care to refresh my memory?

Newbie game, it had formerfish and me, i replaced out, you were almost policied
The game was like 300 pages

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viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80175

Really dont remember this? It was a historic game, you even helped spam it into 250 pages long

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ofcourse i remember that lol

nobody forgets cyrus

Yeah thats what i thought lmao, that was why i was surprised

I thought ableist language was insulting qgainst disabled people, i fail to see where ico did that?
Im not defending him, i just dont want to dogpile on him when i didnt see him do any wrong

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Also, icos behaviour is so far in line with his towngame. I dont doubt it

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Nvm i didnt realize windows was memeing
Carry on

Who is grumpy cats main?

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Why are you doubting his sincerity ico?

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Hiiii everyone I've taken a long sabbatical since the mess that was my Team Mafia game to try and rekindle my enjoyment of Mafia as a whole. I hope we can all get along and not instantly turn to s***-slinging as I find that really takes the fun out of the game

We'll start off with a nice VOTE: Ico. You were a good doc, it was a shame about the rest of TM

Shitslinging is the name of the game
You either lolhammer or get lolhammered, no inbetween
Pussy plays get punished this game

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yo windows

let's start over?

Windows startup sound??? :Lol: :XD: :ifunny:

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Because it was an rvs vote

I think its more productive to focus on the hammerer instead of the bystanders.
Poor ico, now we can never get this game to 300 pages
VOTE: alisae

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Wasnt me boss
-alisae

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Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

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Not really, but i understand where you are coming from. Hammer happened while i was asleep. At that time i didnt have any better spots to vote, so i wanted to save it for when i had an idea. I didnt think an ico lynch would happen, or if it did i'd be there to review the reasons instead of a lolhammer. Hindsight is something i didnt have.

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Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

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If we launch scum today, the EV for a town victory is 1/5 + 1/3 = 53.33%
If we launch town today, the EV for a town victory is 2/5 = 40%

We still want to be launching scum. There's like a niche scenario we could have where there's an extremely obvscum and then the other scum could be a deepwolf, in which case there might be value in launching someone else and keeping the obvscum around for tomorrow, since we can outright win D3 rather than having to find the deepwolf.

Thats not 1/5 plus 1/3 though.... You have to multiply it. Its 1/15. What the fuck??????

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I overreacted there. But still, how do you mess that up

Mislynching seems like the most optimal route actually. They also have to night kill so there wont be any no kill shenanigans. I want to see where alisae leads, maybe i can even get scum from this but for now i just want to move forward.

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Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?

I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.

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I think its strange and the explanation he’s given for it is strange.
I also think his primary focus is not scumhunting given at the start of this day, he votes me for basically being a liability and is trying to justify mislynching me with EVs and saying I’m a liability.

Why are you defending leaving an RVS vote on someone you townread? You may see it as common but at the end of the day, it is still bad play.

But lolhammering isnt bad play apparently

Well me leaving my vote on him was an accident then

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I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

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wait, no other way around. whatever, you know what I mean

I actually dont, my math sucks

Alright, not sure we're thinking the same thing, so just to clarify:

If we mislynch today:
Tomorrow is a %40 chance we lynch scum. Game ends there.

If we lynch scum today:
Tomorrow is a %20 chance we lynch scum, if we miss that we have a %33 chance. 1/5 + 1/3 which is 8/15, around %50(?) So lynching scum today would be beneficial, but theres also todays chance of lynching scum, which is 2/7 which you have to multiply this by. Its overly mathy, but my point is we dont lose out on anything if we mislynch today. We can make associations, just like we can with a scum flip, but i've seen that in experience wagons on town lead to more information. Either way, you're right, i guess it doesnt make that much of a difference.

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Hmm.

My votes sticky, but you still have my support on that wagon. I trust your dice if you say its good.

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Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?

I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.

Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.

Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?

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I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

I didn’t check VCs because there weren’t any VCs at the time

Checked, and you're right. Last vc was 4 pages ago. I still dont see why you dont check previous vcs before voting someone.

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wait, no other way around. whatever, you know what I mean

I actually dont, my math sucks

Alright, not sure we're thinking the same thing, so just to clarify:

If we mislynch today:
Tomorrow is a %40 chance we lynch scum. Game ends there.

If we lynch scum today:
Tomorrow is a %20 chance we lynch scum, if we miss that we have a %33 chance. 1/5 + 1/3 which is 8/15, around %50(?) So lynching scum today would be beneficial, but theres also todays chance of lynching scum, which is 2/7 which you have to multiply this by. Its overly mathy, but my point is we dont lose out on anything if we mislynch today. We can make associations, just like we can with a scum flip, but i've seen that in experience wagons on town lead to more information. Either way, you're right, i guess it doesnt make that much of a difference.

Basically, the important part is that if we launch scum today, we have a 46.7% chance of winning overall.
If we launch town today, we have a 40% chance of winning.

Launching scum is slightly preferable, but there is utility in launching launchbait if we think they'd be a liabilty in LyLo, since we can flip town!them with small consequence. I can't see launchbait this game though (yet).

Thats what im thinking. After the day runs it course lynching alisae would prevent us from mislynching e in case e is town, and if es scum thats another headache dealt with. This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.

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I'm literally the first vote alisae, im the most sus person on that wagon? For an rvs vote and a hammer that then happens while im asleep? Defend your hammer, dont try to paint me as scum instead, it only makes you seem worse. So far the only reasoning you gave was "it was an accident", and if so dont you check VCs?

You seem the most sus person on that wagon because you enabled that wagon to reach 5 votes when you could have easily made sure that that didn’t happen by unvoting.

And how am I not supposed to see your slot and think that what you’re doing is strange? Not only did you enable that wagon to reach 5 votes, but you’re also coming into the day phase trying to label me as a liability and saying why its better to mislynch then it is to lynch scum. Like this is really strange because it feels like you’re not trying to find scum. Do you have any other suspects or am I your only suspect?

I voted Icon because I scumread him and he was acting weird in regards to Windows and I liked Windows the most between their discussion with Icon. Thats why I voted Icon and I didn’t realize I hammered until I woke up and saw that I hammered. I’m sorry. I fucked up.

I'm not worried about you pushing me. But that shouldnt be your primary concern when you just lolhammered yesterday, because it just looks like you sweeping it under the rug. Now you're responding to it, so this isnt as big of a concern for me.

I still stand by that. I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.

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Wait, i realised mislynching today isnt even bad and lynching scum doesnt benefit us
Why dont we off the one that would cause problems later then because of this shit lolhammer?

You don't think it would be beneficial to have associative tells lined up for tomorrow?

I not suggesting a zero sum deal. If we lynch alisae today, we lose a loose end tomorrow, as she will always have the doubt of lolhammer hanging over her head. If shes town, thats obviously detrimental. If shes scum, there will be devils advocates and really no way to be sure either.

dude it was an accident wtf?

Okay? And that means you cant have some motivation behind lolhammering somehow?

I dont see how we reach upon a conclusion on you. You either carry this lolhammerer mark into d3 or you die today and at least we can associate. I already explained my reasoning in the post you quoted.

Or you can realize that it was an accident, and any alignment can place that vote at that time and think they would not hammer Icon, and move on.

Except that allows scum!you to get away easily with mishammering a town. Why do you want me to risk that over explaining yourself and clearing your name?

because
A. I’ve been trying to find scum all game
B. If you flip me today and I flip town, you bring the game into F5 which is more favorable for scum because no one has that much info to go off of considering how quickly D1 ended. You need to spend this day trying to find scum and get more information to work off of. If you don’t do that and lynch me because you think I’m a liability, then it doesn’t matter if you lynch scum tomorrow, how are you going to do that in F5 when its significantly harder to due to the lack of information.

I never said i wanted to rush lynching you. I want this day to run its course and then we can go into d3 with reactions to this push.
Also, scum can say A as well. Thats their secondary win con, convince town they are hunting

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This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.

The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.

You're obvtown?
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.

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I think your slot will never be completely townread or scumread because of the hammer. I dont know your gameplay, you may be a better player than me. Your slot however is tainted, and im worried scum!you will get away with doing this, like i said, because of devils advocates, and town!yous reads will be taken with a grain of salt always. Since its inherently an unreadable action and with no other targets, i thought it was a good compromise to let you go today so we could focus on other people without fear.

If you’re scum then you’ll probably continue to push this because its actually very easy to do so and you’ll mislynch and create a F5 where you’ll probably win. This worries me a lot because by the time F5 is created, its favored for scum since D1 was cut short and D2 was spent flipping the hammerer who was innocent all along.

If you’re town I need to convince you why you need to make an effort to scumhunt instead of voting me due to the fact you think I’m a liability. I get you may think that my slot is unreadable because of that hammer, and I think if you are town you’re approaching it from the wrong angle. If you think an action is unreadable, you should not read into it or read into it once you have more evidence/information.

Right now, what we need is more information and more investigation.
Do you have any other suspects?
Also what do you think of the hopkirk kill?

I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.
I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent. Why wouldnt a wagon on you create discussion? Information? Help me scumhunt? Why wouldnt me talking with you help me determine your alignment? The more you tell me to back off i want to go in further, because i dont see town doing this.

Hopkirk kill is meh. I dont think scum had many ideas and just killed someone they thought could turn the game around, the only suspects that come to mind are cat and flopz since they played with him before. Otherwise seems like a random kill.

I have other suspects, but i want to focus on you now.

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This no consequence game is why im pretty fond of pushing this wagon, as we seemingly cant lose with this.

The thing is you CAN lose with this.
You get rid of a slot that is pretty obvtown and make F5 harder for yourself due to the lack of information from other slots.

You're obvtown?
Again, im not trying to lynch you instantly. Why do you think pressure on you would prevent discourse? I think thats the most valuable avenue right now, honestly. As we play, we'll have information.

prior to the lolhammer I would see myself as obvtown, ya. Why wouldn’t I?

You can see yourself as obvtown. I dont know why i or anyone else would, your iso is pepe images over and over

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After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.

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Thats my argument, pay me a fee if you want to use it

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I dont try pushing on an experienced town player for a lolhammer as scum. I'll let them live so they can arouse suspicion on d3. Thats what im trying to avoid, and while it is easy to push you, with only a single argument i dont see why i'd want to spearhead a town!you lynch.

Why?

Because its easy to push, but if you dont slip up further i cant confidently reach a town!you lynch, since im only basing this wagon off off one thing, and its basically a policy lynch. Meanwhile if i just let you live i can bring up the lolhammer and discredit half your argument.

I'll scumhunt, thank you. I think you think all im doing is isoing you and everyone else is muted, they arent.

I mean its pretty easy to reach this conclusion when you start the day pushing me as a liability and suggest that mislynching is +EV. Why would I not tell you to back off if thats what I think you're doing?
(Also I just don't react well to being voted/suspected in general but thats a me thing as both alignments and there's no way for you to know that)

Noted

After this, i am suspicious of windows. His posts and the way he reached a conclusion on ico stinks. We can talk about that if you have any ideas about it.

why do you think it sucks

I just woke up, but i'll try to come back to detailing my reasons after i read the new posts.

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Yo
If you had
One shot
One opportunity
To seize everything you ever wanted
One moment
Would you capture it
Or just let it slip?
Yo
His palms are sweaty
Knees weak arms are heavy
Theres vomit on his sweater already
Moms spaghetti
He's nervous
But on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop
Bombs
But he keeps on forgetting
What he wrote down the whole crowd goes so loud he opens his mouth but the words wont come out
Hes choking how
Everybodys joking now
The clocks run out
Times up, over, blow!
Snap back to reality
Oh, there goes rabbit
He's so mad, but he won't give up that easy? No
He won't have it, he knows his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope, he knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows, when he goes back to this mobile home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo, this whole rhapsody
Better go capture this moment and hope it don't pass him
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
His soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This world is mine for the taking
Make me king, as we move toward a New World Order
A normal life is borin', but super stardom's close to post mortem
It only grows harder, only grows hotter
He blows, it's all over, these hoes is all on him
Coast to coast shows, he's known as the Globetrotter
Lonely roads, God only knows, he's grown farther from home, he's no father
He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water
These hoes don't want him no mo', he's cold product
They moved on to the next schmo who flows, he nose dove and sold nada
So the soap opera is told and unfolds, I suppose it's old partna, but the beat goes on
Da-da-dum, da-dum, da-da
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
No more games, I'ma change what you call rage
Tear this motherfuckin' roof off like two dogs caged
I was playin' in the beginnin', the mood all changed
I been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage
But I kept rhymin' and stepped right in the next cypher
Best believe somebody's payin' the Pied Piper
All the pain inside amplified by the
Fact that I can't get by with my nine to
Five and I can't provide the right type of
Life for my family 'cause man, these goddamn food stamps don't buy diapers
And its no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer
This is my life and these times are so hard
And it's getting even harder tryna feed and water my seed, plus
Teeter totter, caught up between bein' a father and a prima donna
Baby mama drama, screamin' on her, too much
For me to wanna stay in one spot, another day of monotony's
Gotten me to the point, I'm like a snail I've got
To formulate a plot or end up in jail or shot
Success is my only motherfuckin' option, failure's not
Mom, I love you, but this trailer's got to go, I cannot grow old in Salem's Lot
So here I go, is my shot
Feet, fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
You can do anything you set your mind to, man

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It's interesting Dong came in, said they were going to read the new posts, said they were up, and then dipped and haven't added anything since. Would be nice to know why ;D
Anyways I need to go to sleep.
If anyone with more free time than me would like to give me things they'd like me to give opinions on within this game I'd really appreciate it because rereading takes a ton of effort and I can only do it on days where I don't work double shifts.

and re: having an alt: people do know who I am at this point, no need to flex your tiny ego (:

re: posting games: do your own work I am too busy. I already mentioned 1 game u can go look at it yourself.

A school is an educational institution designed to provide learning spaces and learning environments for the teaching of students (or "pupils") under the direction of teachers. Most countries have systems of formal education, which is commonly compulsory.[2] In these systems, students progress through a series of schools. The names for these schools vary by country (discussed in the Regional section below) but generally include primary school for young children and secondary school for teenagers who have completed primary education. An institution where higher education is taught, is commonly called a university college or university, but these higher education institutions are usually not compulsory.

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Pretty sure Dogem is trying to distract us and lead us down random avenues of discussion so that we forget this is a mafia game and end up talking about Rastamouse for 10 days.

Wow, he actually just memed and left. I was kind of waiting for something to happen

Im back baby
I had to play league

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Spoiler:

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

Paladin gives town vibes

you should start explaining what exactly you townread about paladin

I never said I townread them. But the evidence does point towards them having a town mindset in the way they are approaching this game and attempting to solve. I currently have a semi-confident scumread between GC/Hop and I do not see either of them as likely partners with Paladin so there is also more reason for me to believe Paladin being scum there.
I do hope you end up responding to my other analysis rather than pick and choose things you are saying you strongly disagree with, since you seem to be disagreeing a lot with me right now.

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking the pressure that Paladin is putting on Hopkirk, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST or because of their push on Hop?

If you think you can leash me to only talk about 2 slots, you are sadly mistaken

i've done my catchup, and i've commented on everything i wanted to comment on

I am sorry to hear that VOTE: Ico
I see nothing but scum motivation to dodge what I have asked of you.

I asked you to explain yourself Ico and added a vote to get you to do so, and your reaction is to OMGUS?
Either you are extremely childish or you are scum trying to deflect from taking more concise stances.
And having skimmed your recent games I am leaning towards the latter.
It looks to me you are acting in a way to make something stick instead of analyzing already existing content. i.e. you give some reply to a few posts and then end up trying to shade a random slot like its still RVS.

Also as a side note, please do not use gross ableist language. I am uncomfortable with it and its grossly inappropriate to use in game.I will not be asking you directly again.

So alisae asked me to expand on my windows scumread.

I dont see anything conclusively scum motivated in this batch of posts. What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good. On top of that, his third post here says that ico never responded to him, and that it is only scum indicative. However, he did. Literally the post before that.

Ico, do you think there is at least one scum in GC/Hop trying to pocket the other?
To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things.

Can you offer some analysis within those 2 slots?
You seem to be disliking

the pressure that

Paladin

is putting on Hopkirk

, so perhaps can you elaborate on where you stand on Hop. Are you getting scumpings from Paladin because you think they are trying to LAMIST

or because of their push on Hop

?

there

Its lazy, but thats ico for you. And its quite clearly a response, and saying otherwise is just misrepresenting.

After that, its reasonable to vote him back since hes saying ico didnt respond when he just did, and the only response ico gets after that is "omgus xd". I dont see how you as ico dont get pissed at this, on top of that weird disclaimer at the bottom which ico didnt do. I even thought he was memeing there

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Also,

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

Who were you from Ico's previous games, XP?

If you didnt want to risk alt slipping, you shouldnt have brought it up.

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Dogem saying we're sus because we both knew Hop and he was killed is pretty iffy, especially since I'd just been talking about how I don't think you ever kill Hop there. Like, why not talk to me about that, Dogem?

I didnt say you were sus. I said if i had to make sense of a hopkirk kill it could only be you two, since you're the only ones that previously played with him.

I dont think its reasonable to find scum just based off off this, but if i wanted to make sense i dont see anything else.

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You know what I'm actually really annoyed at this point. Im revealing what I want as a strategy. I want to get hanged today. I want a guaranteed ML. In exchange, you guys vote who I choose. Theres a 2/5 chance of hitting right tomorrow into a full win. Its easier for scum to obfuscate when they get elimed earlier. I am a firm believer of scum teams being much more obvious over time.
Finding 1 scum out of 6 should not be difficult.

As scum i would have done 0 analysis/interacting today and just pushed ppl to get me to L-1 so i can self hammer for 5 way and no real way to determine whoever my partner may be and go back to step 1.

Right now I'm looking at Paladin/Flopz/Dong as my scumpool. It's tentative for now but I can explain later.

Im fine with lynching you, but no way am i throwing because you got tilted i asked for your main, the main that apparently played with ico and was the reason you pushed him. You're saying something logical and then asking for something irrational. That doesnt fly by me.

[Donempire]

I thought dkkoba was the secondary moderator. Um. Alright. I retract my question about windows' alt.

[Donempire]

There is enough plausible deniability that if you're going to try to use the lolhammer as an argument you are going to get no real conclusions.

Also your claim about what you'd do with Alisae as scum while simultaneously not really sorting em is odd to me Dong. How do you read the rest of eir D1 minus the lolhammer? Was it towny or scummy? Let's say that, theoretically, Ico was not at L-1 on D1 when alisae voted, and the game continued. Was their move there scum?

Let's answer some real questions about motives and analysis.

Where did I ever reach a final conclusion? I was offering a case against Ico and I was letting them refute it. Let's talk about that. Do you think my push was scum motivated? Why? What was suspicious about my posts?
Tell me what exactly struck you as scummy.

Also, important, do you think Ydrasse's d1 is town to you? They voted Ico too and did not declare L-1, and are a passive voice this game. I'm wondering what you may think about that slot.

I dont remember a lot of alisae except es push on ico, which i actually liked. I thought posts like 275 and 280 were inquisitive without being overly aggressive. It ended too early for me to make any heavy statements, but i dont have a problem with alis d1 except for you know what.

Yes. Even if not scum motivated, it was done in bad faith. Posts like 206 prove that. I explained my reasoning already. Post 214 clearly reaches a final conclusion as well since you say theres nothing but scum motivation there.
I would also like to note im just repeating myself here. I already said everything i said here in 528
I think my votes on ali so VOTE: Windows



I think ydrasses d1 is awful. There is nothing for me to sort, its not_mafia levels of bad. I want to chalk it up to rvs, but so far i havent seen anything from her, and lurking seems like the winning strategy here for scum, so i do want to at least iso her once today. Do hold me up to it, i might forget

[Donempire]

And when im gone just carry on
Dont mourn
Rejoice everytime you hear the sound of my voice
Just know that im looking down on you smiling
And i didnt feel a thang
So baby dont feel my pain
Just simyle back

[Donempire]

Dong - the reason I said that was because I was pushing Ico to do things that are more alignment indicative. Do you think because someone presents a case on someone and pressures them they are immediately calling for their head? Look at what O said right before i went to sleep the night ico got hammered. I said i was keeping my vote there as pressure essentially. People like ico try to cruise by by playing entitled and I don't like that kind of style since it removes alignment indication.

So this is what i dont get. You say that ico is scummy and vote him, then turn around and say that doesnt mean you wanted him dead. You say that you want to pressure ico but then talk down to him and just confscum him, then stop talking to him. This kind of behaviour is only exhibited by scum that want to cover both sides of their ass. If you want to pressure someone your vote does virtually nothing. Pressure them by arguing with them in good faith. You didnt do that, so i keep finding it hard to believe you went in there with any other intention than mislynching ico.

[Donempire]

Who let this guy get pagetop

[Donempire]

Dogem, I got some questions for you while you're here!!!

1) What about Ali made you change your mind on policying eir?
2) What's your read on Mr. Paladin?
3) Are you the kind of player who likes to sort your thoughts into a notes PT, or do you just wing it? Trying to get a read into your process.

1-windows is scummier. And i think e has a point. If i still kept on trying to lynch em then in a townflip i end up with nothing. And in a scumflip i still end up with no info, so even if i dont get a windows lynch i'd like to think looking elsewhere will at least get me more info. I'm not saying im completely convinced out of it, but i want to check out windows, and then ydrasse. Consider my elimination pool there, i'm still thinking on it.
2- lurker, lean scum
3- I just come in, read some stuff, close it, do homework/go out w/e and then come back at night and respond to anything i remember and new stuff. So no, i just react to whatever i remember reading and just read, which is why i sometimes end up responding to stuff posted pages prior.

[Donempire]

You know what I'm actually really annoyed at this point. Im revealing what I want as a strategy. I want to get hanged today. I want a guaranteed ML. In exchange, you guys vote who I choose. Theres a 2/5 chance of hitting right tomorrow into a full win. Its easier for scum to obfuscate when they get elimed earlier. I am a firm believer of scum teams being much more obvious over time.
Finding 1 scum out of 6 should not be difficult.

As scum i would have done 0 analysis/interacting today and just pushed ppl to get me to L-1 so i can self hammer for 5 way and no real way to determine whoever my partner may be and go back to step 1.

Right now I'm looking at Paladin/Flopz/Dong as my scumpool. It's tentative for now but I can explain later.

Good old wifom. I havent used this term in 5 years probably. I thought i was cool using it, then it got old quick, and no one really did it.

But yeah, saying you would do a tactic, one thats not really good since you're forcing your partner to solo the game, and then not doing it doesnt clear you when you've done so many other scummy stuff.

[Donempire]

I think thats L-1. Dont lolhammer again please

[Donempire]

UNVOTE: Windows

Dogem + Paladin probably.

Dogem, your earlier post has broken post links. You probably copied it over the quoted version from the scum PT, and you just confirmed you don't use notes PTs. I don't feel good about this but a scumslip is a scumslip.

Hahahahahahahah....
thats funny
thats literally the 5th time i had broken post links this week
yes sure im copying from my scum pt and it isnt phpbb being a 3000 year old site hosting service

[Donempire]

I'm gonna make you look like an ass but ongoing games so whatever im shutting up and just saying that that point is as strong as me saying that windows scumslipped by faking a townslip

[Donempire]

What i want you to focus on is however the instant scumread that windows explained. He starts off the discussion aggressively "To be honest, your recent spam of posts are not actually very helpful and just reacting to random things." which for someone you claim to be arguing with on good faith doesnt seem good.

What do u not like about it because this was what I thought of Icon’s catch up at the time

I think windows had an agenda when they were talking with ico. I understand a bit of aggression but from what i see im almost certain that windows went into it with the intention of mislynching ico over getting info, because in 4 posts they go from disliking icos playstyle to lockscumming them. Couple that with windows misrepping ico when they said he didnt respond to their question, and im feeling confident on this slot.

[Donempire]

UNVOTE:

[Donempire]

No way im letting you end the day early. Thankfully you're tunnel visioned and didnt see grumpy unvoted.

UNVOTE: Windows

Dogem + Paladin probably.

Dogem, your earlier post has broken post links. You probably copied it over the quoted version from the scum PT, and you just confirmed you don't use notes PTs. I don't feel good about this but a scumslip is a scumslip.

Two things are wrong with this
A. It goes to post 0 which doesn’t normally happen if you just use [post] code
B. Even if he did copy it from one PT to another, there are people who like to have a separate PT to keep track of their thoughts. Occasionally I do this, Datisi does this, Bugspray does this.

I dont use PTs. i just suck at using phpbb, and this has happened a few more times this week.

[Donempire]

Ali, windows, please dont make this game personal. I think everyone in the lobby knows im the best player here.

But seriously, dont argue over that shit, theres no need to get hostile over it

[Donempire]

@Datisi are we allowed to take screenshots of links and post it? I'm not posting a pt or anything alignment indicative, just a screenshot of the pagelink

[Donempire]

https://prnt.sc/ug6sct
This is what the site link looks like for me. I reached that page by going to post 547 through iso. Normally if i copy pasted that link it should lead to 547, right? It doesnt for me. And i dont see that it doesnt because the link doesnt expand until i click on it. This is the same for my phone.
You convinced grumpy, or do you need me to video the whole thing?

[Donempire]

Step by step:
I go on an iso. Yours for example
I click on a post number that i want to reference, like 547. The one next to iso.
The post number leads me exactly to the post. I copy the pagelink directly.
I use the [post-/post] link and paste it like this: [post=example page link/post]
The post leads to the first post. eks xde

[Donempire]

Im stupid. Windows flips scum here all the time. Its impossible they didnt see grumpys unvote. It was to desperately play into getting some towncred for hammering themselves as scum wouldnt do that or something
My lynch today is %100 windows but i will iso ydrasse too.

[Donempire]

Seems like Dong froze up.

Paladin i eagerly await your reread. Or at least participation.

Um..
It was 1 am in turkey when you made that post so... That might be why?
But sure. I was afraif of responding. That works too.

[Donempire]

Im stupid. Windows flips scum here all the time. Its impossible they didnt see grumpys unvote. It was to desperately play into getting some towncred for hammering themselves as scum wouldnt do that or something
My lynch today is %100 windows but i will iso ydrasse too.

Ok is it scummy to lie about that? Is that always scum to you? Or are you inexperienced?
If you're so sure about it and youre town feel free to self sac and get me tomorrow if youre oh so sure (:
If I'm such obvious scum then you should have 0 issue with that.

Obviously its scummy. Theres no reason town eould fake selfhammer because it creates doubt about their alognment and leads town to run around in cirfles. Self vote is always scummy because if you are doing it as town thats gamethrowing, no cap, and so no reason as town to do that. And i mean no cap, none of that lynch me today lynch him tomorrow shit will fly.

And i dont want to sac myself, because im not a gamethrower. Please, open up a wiki and look up the definition. I dont want to make you look dumb, considering you've done enough yourself.

Also, you might want to stop projecting your insecurities. Your main has a year old join date. My account just on this site is 5 years old. Alisae is 6. Everyone here sees that we can wipe the floor with you every day of the week but we dont say that because its just being an asshole, but since you want to keep up the personal attack shtick i want you to realize that since your head seems to be so far up your ass you can see your bowel movement.

[Donempire]

My apologies, I am still somewhat frustrated that I did not have the chance to play the first Day, and have hardly given this game a thought. Tonight I should set aside some time to read and immerse.

What do you think about alisaes hammer? About windows and icos back and forth? Any thoughts on ydrasse?

[Donempire]

Holy hell you're so toxic
Im going to chalk that up to you being young and not poke further.
VOTE: windows

[Donempire]

.
"5 year old join date" - lol this isn't the only mafia site in existence kid. And regardless, having more completed games =/= more skill.

You were calling me inexperienced though

Im stupid. Windows flips scum here all the time. Its impossible they didnt see grumpys unvote. It was to desperately play into getting some towncred for hammering themselves as scum wouldnt do that or something
My lynch today is %100 windows but i will iso ydrasse too.

Ok is it scummy to lie about that? Is that always scum to you? Or are you inexperienced?/quote]

[Donempire]

Im inexperirnced with fucking phpbb though
This site can actually go fuck itself

[Donempire]

You're actually malding bro

[Donempire]

Windows, what does malding mean? Because what i gather from your last post and ehat it insinuates tells me you dont know what it means.

[Donempire]

Why would i be malding if i think im going to win? Lol

Also can you stop talking like the epitome of twitch chat its extremely cringy to read.

Alright

[Donempire]

Dogem, if you're certain on Wandows being scum, why don't you want to store him for a win tomorrow?

Hmm. I actually didnt think of it that way. Im assuming you mean like an emergency lynch in case we lynch town today.
Im fine with this idea. But i dont have any definite scumreads today besides windows, and while i do hsve townreads (ali, you) id like to get a read on ydrasse and paladin before deciding on what tactic to use.

[Donempire]

That leaves one last person. I'm feeling confident i can read ydrasse, and i can scrounge up

something

on paladin, but i feel flopz has an uniwue playstyle, and you would be instrumental in helping. What can you tell me about how you're reading flopz right now?

[Donempire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uAZdIJIl8o

[Donempire]

dude is gender neutral

[Donempire]

Dongempire what do you think of Ydrasse?

I dont think much right now alignment vise. I was meaning to iso her after i was done with windows, do i'll get my thoughts ready at max tomorrow.

[Donempire]

Dogem, if you're certain on Wandows being scum, why don't you want to store him for a win tomorrow?

Hmm. I actually didnt think of it that way. Im assuming you mean like an emergency lynch in case we lynch town today.
Im fine with this idea. But i dont have any definite scumreads today besides windows, and while i do hsve townreads (ali, you) id like to get a read on ydrasse and paladin before deciding on what tactic to use.

Why do you townread ali and grumpycat?
Ydrasse has enough game related content to get a read on them. Whats your read on them?

Hey mr dude is gender neutral answer this

Im going to sleep

[Donempire]

i’m actually upset by this if you’re town so i’m going to bed. bye

fake tbh

Wow

Honestly i shouldnt be surprised given your play so far but... Wow

[Donempire]

Ali, gc, what do you think of saving windows for tomorrow and lynching in ydrasse/paladin and maybe flopz today?

[Donempire]

@Grumpy Cat, Flopz, and Dongempire

The way I read the gamestate right now, I feel like there’s 1 scum in {Ydrasse, Windows} because I don’t think Ydrasse responds to the way that she did to windows on pg 28 if they’re partners together.

I think Ydrasse is individually scummy. She has scummy pop ins and generally seems like scum who is just sitting on her hands doing nothing because she doesn’t feel obligated to do anything. I just don’t think its with Windows because her recent posting seems really weird to be partnered with Windows. It either seems like she’s setting up to vote Windows or she seems genuinely surprised at Window’s latest posting. Either way it just doesn’t seem like its aligned with Windows.

Like I’m super sure that 1 of those 2 slots is scum, what do you guys think?

Windows is scum, i thought we were past that. But i dont want to clear ydrasse yet, as this could be theatre. My main reason to think that is because windows called anyone that pushed its wagon every insult under the sun, but went surprisingky soft on ydrasse. I dont know if theres daytalk, there probably is, but even if there isnt they couldve been improvising. I think the fact that ydrasse pointed out windows' inconsistencies and windows is vehemently pushing to be lynched makes me suspect a windows/ydr team and they're setting up towncred later for ydrasse.

[Donempire]

You wait 3 minutes before chastising me for not replying. I dont check the thread every 5 minutes, and i dont have to. To add to that, i dont have to respond to any of your posts. I've said enough about you.

[Donempire]

This is why people dont want to talk to you. Get some self awareness and try again.

[Donempire]

Case me dong. What's the proof. I offered proof of alisae + ydrasse. Now do me. Refute me.
Me being "soft" on ydrasse i have reasonably explained.

I literally caught aliisae in multiple self contradictions wrt their reads. I pointed out ydrasse oddly being defensive of alisae early on. Go take literally 5 minutes and read what i said in the past 2 pages. Why am I wrong. Why are you right.

You have to be very terrible at thia game to refuse to consider i could be town and use evidence in front of you.

You're tiring me. This isnt my job dude, i dont want to babysit you while you throw tantrumd and say i didnt make a case on you. I literally did, go read. You're so used to lying out your ass i stopped pointing them out long ago.

Oh wait, you dont understand if i dont scream it.

I MADE A CASE ON YOU. 528 AND 545. READ AND STOP LYING. I CANT BE ARSED TO POINT OUT ALL OF THEM.

[Donempire]

you dont think im scum you just have huwt feewings and don't want me to be town to feel vawidated

I thought you'd be one of those right wing types from the way you talked, and this is just more proof. Go outside bro

[Donempire]

Whats uspol?

[Donempire]

Ohh us politics. I thought it was a different site.

Read your literally second post on the thread and what can i say, have i ever been wrong?

[Donempire]

Ohh us politics. I thought it was a different site.

Read your literally second post on the thread and what can i say, have i ever been wrong?

uh im a leftist not a liberal so I'm on the opposite end but sure? You're so right.

https://www.reddit.com/r/195/comments/i ... urce=share

[Donempire]

I should have known when he asked us to refer to him by them
It was excrutiating talking to you but it'll probably be hilarioud reading back with hindsight
Good job windows

[Donempire]

I should have known when he asked us to refer to him by them
It was excrutiating talking to you but it'll probably be hilarioud reading back with hindsight
Good job windows

I can see how that must have been a challenge for you. Do not fret, once your brain eventually develops to that of an adult I am sure you will understand the level of patheticness you are displaying here.

?

[Donempire]

Are you dim

[Donempire]

i’m actually upset by this if you’re town so i’m going to bed. bye

fake tbh

Wow

Honestly i shouldnt be surprised given your play so far but... Wow

This reaction feels kind of overblown honestly. Scum AtE in mafia and sometimes it's fake. What's so crazy about Wandows calling out Ydrasse's post as fake?

The rest of page 28/29 so far actually has me feeling better on both XP and Ydrasse lol. I was so confident on Wandows being scum just like a few irl days ago, so I don't know if I'm stupid.

Cause its low. The guy says shes going to sleep and windows' doubting even that. They also did this with me. Theres nothing AI about that.

[Donempire]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

They are obvscum though. And they also never got the opportunity to self hammer. Closest they got was L-2

See, right now what they're doing is a desperation move. They're taking the entire focus on themselves so their partner can either lurk/take refuge in the wagon without drawing attention. I'll expand on this later since i want to reply to another one of your posts.

[Donempire]

Post enough to not be obvscum enough to get stored and lunched for tomorrow. Self-hammer as soon as I hit L-1 today. No way in hell would I have the motivation to do what they're doing right now.

They are obvscum though. And they also never got the opportunity to self hammer. Closest they got was L-2

See, right now what they're doing is a desperation move. They're taking the entire focus on themselves so their partner can either lurk/take refuge in the wagon without drawing attention. I'll expand on this later since i want to reply to another one of your posts.

Can you prove my actions are scum motivated?

if it's the self vote:

I literally softed I wanted to go through with such a strategy early on on D2. that wasn't AtE to get people to not vote me. It's me genuinely wanting to put both scum on D3 to make the game easier.

If it's my push on Ico on d1:
please git gud. please. like literally you have to be terribad to scumread a push that was clearly meant to be informational with how it was framed. As explained in my post before.

if its based on me scumreading you:
similar to point above.

I literally didnt even make point 3. You serious?
And AtE all you want, your ico push was bad. I already showed you in my case why you went there in bad faith. You intended to either cast doubt or mislynch the slot.

And you're not getting why your self vote sucks. Its not that your tactic sucks, its that you are ate'ing again and you even admitted it yourself as you trying to get towncred.

[Donempire]

[quote="In post 867, Piergeiron the Paladinson"]I will have to go easy on the evidence for the time being as I am off to bed shortly.

Dongempire's pushes are inconsistent and has taken an odd tone in certain posts.
/quote]
What exactly is inconsistent? If you realized, windows just recently used the case i made at the start or the day. If thats relevant, i would argue i've been consistent. You gonna fluke again?

[Donempire]

I will have to go easy on the evidence for the time being as I am off to bed shortly.

Dongempire's pushes are inconsistent and has taken an odd tone in certain posts.

What exactly is inconsistent? If you realized, windows just recently used the case i made at the start or the day. If thats relevant, i would argue i've been consistent. You gonna fluke again?

[Donempire]

Holy fuck the reach. Did you stretch before making that reach? Vote me if im scummy.

And let you end the day without getting more info from pally as well as maybe from Ydrasse's replacement. Nty

No, you see, if you dont vote windows NOW and kill them then you are just mafia trying to misylynch them tomorrow. Trust me, their tactic is a guarentee %100 winrate tactic () so just listen to them and win lol

[Donempire]

So here it goes is my shot
Feet fail me not
This may be the only opportunity that i got

[Donempire]

Why does faking a townslip to gain towncred make me scum Flopz? Please ellaborate.

This is what you missed out on ali

[Donempire]

Are you saying 900 is a scumslip

[Donempire]

Are you saying 900 is a scumslip

aRe yOu SaYInG 900 iS A scUmSliP

Good response
Seems like i didnt miss out

[Donempire]

Remember how ali muted you?
I was making fun of you for being dense and you're still going

[Donempire]

Thats why i addressed ali specifically dude, have some common sense

[Donempire]

Just ignore windows honestly, there is nothing to discuss about my post, windows is just bored

[Donempire]

I dont get 925. Its just my posts pushing alisae. Why would scum want to bus their partner while neither is suspected and at the start of day?

[Donempire]

im peacing out yall can scream into the void abt how obviously not scum you 2 are <3

You're...
Goddamnit. This is the peak of your shitposting.

[Donempire]

"why would scum want to distance from their partners by pushing on somethign that can easily be portrayed as NAI and stopped being pushed on?" - dong 2020

Cause it brings unnecessary shade and theres a way to safely off them mechanically so we dont have to deal with the headache of a lolhammer
You were flapping about the mechanic, here you go. Thats the reason

[Donempire]

ok im drunk

Are you always drunk? Not joking, i want to know if you only play drunk

[Donempire]

If only paladin was here...

[Donempire]

His palms are sweaty
Knees weak arms are heavy
Theres vomit on his sweater already
Moms spaghetti
Hes nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready
To drop bombs, but he keep on forgetti
What he wrote down
Did i quote lose yourself already?

[Donempire]

Ali/Dogem, neither of you think Paladin is town, right?

Yes. Hes the worst player on the list. At least windows plays the game. I'll be fine on a policy lynch, tied with ydrasse

[Donempire]

I should have known when he asked us to refer to him by them
It was excrutiating talking to you but it'll probably be hilarioud reading back with hindsight
Good job windows

I can see how that must have been a challenge for you. Do not fret, once your brain eventually develops to that of an adult I am sure you will understand the level of patheticness you are displaying here.

This isnt "putting an effort". Its a low, low attempt to make me back off you. They've done fuck all this game, will do fuck all continuing forward, and they know that.

[Donempire]

How does it lead to a loss if you're so sure on Dogem/Ali being the solve? Isn't that a win if you can convince Flopz/I tomorrow?

I'm not having fun this game which is why I'm so disengaged and am barely reading. I want this day to end and hopefully a flip will remotivate me.

Paladin is scummy because of the way he pops in and the stuff he chooses to comment on. There's no interest to solve. There's also a bit of elitelling.

Dogem/Ali are unlikely partners for the way Dogem entered today. Mainly because I don't think most scum are bold enough to go for the kind of theater that Dogem did. It also looks weird for both if you if you start off by proposing a policy lunch but then shift off of it.

Hey, i'd do that as scum. If only i rolled one

Seriously its 1/5 chance and i played 6 games so far just let me roll it once

[Donempire]

Nah i mean this month, i didnt play for a year though and i have like 40 games in 5 years? so i dont play that much

[Donempire]

How does it lead to a loss if you're so sure on Dogem/Ali being the solve? Isn't that a win if you can convince Flopz/I tomorrow?

I forgot Ydrasse's slot exists. You get my point though.

Its about 3 days left. How about lynching paladin and we can move from there? Engaging with windows doesnt do anything and no one else besides me/windows/ali plays, so it would be good for activity.

[Donempire]

VOTE: Paladin

The night will be frozen whiel Datisi looks for the rep though, so technically it's optimal to wait for that first.

I hope he can find a replacement until then, then. If not, we'll just wait at night until he does, so im fine with just taking the lynch rn since i dont see what we lose with this

[Donempire]

That's taken care of
Choo chooooo

[Donempire]

And our only hope is lynching paladin

[Donempire]

Good to see redados read the game since hes making wandows memes, makes life significantly easier.
Im not gonna vote until we reach a comsensus. Im still certain windows is scum but i dont wanna act rash

[Donempire]

Good to see redados read the game since hes making wandows memes, makes life significantly easier.
Im not gonna vote until we reach a comsensus. Im still certain windows is scum but i dont wanna act rash

oh paladin flipping green means nothing?

why am I scum still? I thought paladin was my partner?

u desperate for an ML today?

It means we dont lynch a townie that hardlurked the entire game. Doesnt mean anything else.
You're scum regardless of paladin. I never made the association, but keep lying. Anything to keep yourself afloat
If i was desperate scum i would have voted you. My argument has enough foundation to support that. Yours doesnt

[Donempire]

I'm tired. EBWOP

I posted a solve of Alisae and Dong. That solve leaves you as town.

What are your thoughts on my solve?

I dont get it. Is it 1054? What is your solve, can you quote it?

[Donempire]

Why should i explain why you're scum if you',re going to ignore it and call me names? I'll answer if someone else asks, presumably without a dickwad intervening in my answer

[Donempire]

That was to 1069

[Donempire]

I'm tired. EBWOP

I posted a solve of Alisae and Dong. That solve leaves you as town.

What are your thoughts on my solve?

I dont get it. Is it 1054? What is your solve, can you quote it?

My solve is this:

Okay, I think this is pretty simple, I think that it's Dong and Alisae.

If Windows is scum, then scum wouldn't be pushing for a Windows lim because it loses them the game. That makes me or Flopz the other scum, because neither of us are pushing strongly for a Windows lim.
If Windows is town, then scum would indeed be pushing for a Windows lim, meaning that Alisae and Dong are the scum.

I know I'm not the scum, and I'm townreading Flopz. That leaves Alisae and Dong as the most likely scum team to me.

If there is a hole in my logic though please point it out.

You're assuming no one has any subtlety and just play blatantly. First, ydrasses slot has done nothing alignment inficatove EXCEPT a back and forth with windows that smelled theatre. So from a discerning eye you should clear yourself first.
Second, grumpy was also on board with windows lynch. Why would an ali/me team kill him over flopz or you who are more likely to object? While windows had all the reason to kill in gc/flopz
Third, i can still be scum with flopz and both ali and windows can be town. The logic that we have to be scum because we've been pushing together falls apart when you consider i pushed ali at daystart yesterday, and if we were partners anyone looking would find discrepancies.

[Donempire]

You're assuming no one has any subtlety and just play blatantly. First, ydrasses slot has done nothing alignment inficatove EXCEPT a back and forth with windows that smelled theatre. So from a discerning eye you should clear yourself first.
Second, grumpy was also on board with windows lynch. Why would an ali/me team kill him over flopz or you who are more likely to object? While windows had all the reason to kill in gc/flopz
Third, i can still be scum with flopz and both ali and windows can be town. The logic that we have to be scum because we've been pushing together falls apart when you consider i pushed ali at daystart yesterday, and if we were partners anyone looking would find discrepancies.

(re: first) On day three it has to be blatant play because scum can't bus today. That's why my "solve" ignores behavior from before today.

(re: second) Why is the nightkill like it is? That's fair. The nightkill supports Windows + Me as scum team. I would argue this could be WIFOM but this doesn't look good for Windows being town. However. I don't think this contradicts my "solve". I'm comfortable saying that it's either me and Windows or you and Alisae. If this supports a me + Windows scum team, I'm fine with that because *I* know that I'm not scum.

(re: third) again, pushes that aren't today don't matter for the solve because scum can bus on other days but they can't bus today. If you are scum with Flopz and Windows and Alisae are town, I'm fine losing to that pairing because I'm fine losing to scum!Flopz.

1-I think i worded it wrongly. What i meant was an Ali/dong had to be acting super obvious and blatant here, even since D2, which is, why would we do that? Windows was suspected by most people and if we kept on the pressure like we did some contrarians would surely arrive. And ignoring past behaviour wont help, because the setup was known and partially planned for since d2.
2-It doesnt have to. You cant make hard claims like "this kill supports this" because there isnt enough information and still plausible deniability. I could have killed grumpy to buddy alisae. Alisae is my partner? Then i could have killed him to WIFOM. Im not scum at all? You could have killed him because it would have been easy to convince him into a windows lynch. But actually, its alisae windows? Then they had to kill him because he suspected alisae and would have pushed between the two of them. The fact that you are making concrete scum pairings unnerves me, because i dont see how you can reach these conclusion without knowing something else.
3- They didnt bus though. And like i said, the setup was known and accounted for by everyone. And from what i gather everyones play is consistent. So you should be taking into account yesterdays events.

[Donempire]

You're assuming no one has any subtlety and just play blatantly. First, ydrasses slot has done nothing alignment inficatove EXCEPT a back and forth with windows that smelled theatre. So from a discerning eye you should clear yourself first.
Second, grumpy was also on board with windows lynch. Why would an ali/me team kill him over flopz or you who are more likely to object? While windows had all the reason to kill in gc/flopz
Third, i can still be scum with flopz and both ali and windows can be town. The logic that we have to be scum because we've been pushing together falls apart when you consider i pushed ali at daystart yesterday, and if we were partners anyone looking would find discrepancies.

(re: first) On day three it has to be blatant play because scum can't bus today. That's why my "solve" ignores behavior from before today.

(re: second) Why is the nightkill like it is? That's fair. The nightkill supports Windows + Me as scum team. I would argue this could be WIFOM but this doesn't look good for Windows being town. However. I don't think this contradicts my "solve". I'm comfortable saying that it's either me and Windows or you and Alisae. If this supports a me + Windows scum team, I'm fine with that because *I* know that I'm not scum.

(re: third) again, pushes that aren't today don't matter for the solve because scum can bus on other days but they can't bus today. If you are scum with Flopz and Windows and Alisae are town, I'm fine losing to that pairing because I'm fine losing to scum!Flopz.

1-I think i worded it wrongly. What i meant was an Ali/dong had to be acting super obvious and blatant here, even since D2, which is, why would we do that? Windows was suspected by most people and if we kept on the pressure like we did some contrarians would surely arrive. And ignoring past behaviour wont help, because the setup was known and partially planned for since d2.
2-It doesnt have to. You cant make hard claims like "this kill supports this" because there isnt enough information and still plausible deniability. I could have killed grumpy to buddy alisae. Alisae is my partner? Then i could have killed him to WIFOM. Im not scum at all? You could have killed him because it would have been easy to convince him into a windows lynch. But actually, its alisae windows? Then they had to kill him because he suspected alisae and would have pushed between the two of them. The fact that you are making concrete scum pairings unnerves me, because i dont see how you can reach these conclusion without knowing something else.
3- They didnt bus though. And like i said, the setup was known and accounted for by everyone. And from what i gather everyones play is consistent. So you should be taking into account yesterdays events.

interesting. but I thought you said rada and I are the scum team?

Quote it. When did i say that.

[Donempire]

Im not moving forward before windows stops lying and provides proof for all the bs hes spewing. Quote it.

[Donempire]

stop misgendering me and I'll apologize for accidentally conflating your posts/reads with alisae's <3

Stop changing the subject. Quote it. When did i say you and rada were partnered?

[Donempire]

but since we're on the subject how about you tell us who IS my partner then? since you are so confident im scum.

You first. When did i say you and rada were partnered?

[Donempire]

stop misgendering me and I'll apologize for accidentally conflating your posts/reads with alisae's <3

Stop changing the subject. Quote it. When did i say you and rada were partnered?

VOTE: Windows
There you have it. Of course you were lying out of your ass. As you have for the entire game.

[Donempire]

This isnt the first time you lied. How about that time you said i didnt make a case on you?

Case me dong. What's the proof. I offered proof of alisae + ydrasse. Now do me. Refute me.
Me being "soft" on ydrasse i have reasonably explained.

I literally caught aliisae in multiple self contradictions wrt their reads. I pointed out ydrasse oddly being defensive of alisae early on. Go take literally 5 minutes and read what i said in the past 2 pages. Why am I wrong. Why are you right.

You have to be very terrible at thia game to refuse to consider i could be town and use evidence in front of you.

And i literally brought up the case i made, just a few pages ago.

You said you didnt selfvote for towncred, and asked me for when you said that.

Can you quote where I admitted the self vote was for towncred?

You said you self voted for towncred.

Windows, be completely honest on this:

How many votes did you think you were on when you self-voted, and what were you trying to achieve?

i knew i was on L-2 I was looking for the reactions around it + ego farming a townread lmao.

You have been lying for the entire game. Give it up, you're bad at this.

[Donempire]

And im asking to anyone in the lobby here that isnt alisae, why would town have reason to lie for so long, so much? They are obviously a bad player that thought being active as scum would only be beneficial, forgetting that they are more prone to make slips. And they have, consistently. Town doesnt need to lie this much to further an agenda, because they dont have one.

[Donempire]

stop misgendering me and I'll apologize for accidentally conflating your posts/reads with alisae's <3

Stop changing the subject. Quote it. When did i say you and rada were partnered?

On god you are so illiterate

damb we playing dumb now?

awe you still think that whole argument holds any water <3 you're so cute.

These posts dont come from town trying to understand the game state and convince others to understand it. They are the result of a failed scum game trying to insult their way out of being suspected, hopefully getting the conversation personal, so anyone that looks in from an outsiders point of view will say "oh, its just toxic, its not alignment indicative".

[Donempire]

i literally quoted it. i misattributed a read alisae had to one dong had. i play by memory and it was an honest mistake. to jump on that as an excuse to vote me like that is extremely scummy.

What about all the other times you lied? How about icos games? You alt slipped, but you still never gave the games you played in, let alone explain why his play was scummy compared to them. No one held you accountable for that, and you got away with it.

[Donempire]

i literally quoted it. i misattributed a read alisae had to one dong had. i play by memory and it was an honest mistake. to jump on that as an excuse to vote me like that is extremely scummy.

What about all the other times you lied? How about icos games? You alt slipped, but you still never gave the games you played in, let alone explain why his play was scummy compared to them. No one held you accountable for that, and you got away with it.

it was literally an info push but keep reaching sis <3

My pronoun is it.

[Donempire]

My pronoun is it.

??????

I shouldnt have memed in retrospect. It detracts from my argument. I'm going to flake and let the previous page speak for itself.

[Donempire]

My bad. I knew tunneling on windows this hard was throwing, i was just certain he was scum. Well played ali and flopz, that was a deserved win.

[Donempire]

Honestly, it was okay for you to scumread Windows.

I know, but it wasnt okay for me to tunnel. I knew i should have read up on flopz and ydrasse at some point but windows harrassed me to such an extent that i just couldnt ignore them. What can you do. Well played regardless.

[Donempire]

Ico had 1200 posts in his magnum opus, he wouldnt even have to wake up to get 50 pages
Maybe another time

[Donempire]

GC was Hectic?
I only remember hosting a game he played late last year, and i wouldnt have known from the way he played. I'll say he played really well, so definitely improved since last year.
The game gets more interesting the more i dont play it

[Donempire]

Btw what do we think of the Hopkirk kill?

Dongempire- Wow. If only Dong hadn't misread its wincon as 'get Windows executed' instead of 'execute all the mafia' this game would have gone really differently.

I dont blame you for dying n1, so dont blame me for suspecting someone who did everything in his power to make isself sus. That said, yeah, i can be garbage sometimes. Wait until i get a few games in, im warming up

[Donempire]

Nope that was thanks to dong mainly who i was unable to reason with. The moment you let up and actually answered shit was actually enjoyable bc it was interactive. Having to constantly beat back a bad case that is dishonest is tiring.
I like gambits and mechanical plays even if it's a mostly vanilla setup.

You are a piece of shit and a virolent plague on this website and on earth. I didnt say anything in game because i thought it was your playstyle but no, you are an actual scumbag.

I tried to iso ydrasse but you had to make it all about yourself and when i tried to look to see how other people were acting you went "What bout this post i made!!!!" EVERY SINGLE TIME. And then you say im tunnelling you.
In the game, i offered you plenty of chances to explain yourself. When i first started and when alisae was being hard on you i told him to back off, and then you just turned the focus on me. I'm the wronged party here.
After that i called you scum, then you called me a bad player. I'm the wronged party here.
You constantly called me a bad and inexperienced player, despite proof many times over im not, and you still want me to argue with you in good faith? I say to that, go fuck yourself.

Dont think i just decided you would be my tunnel. You brought it upon yourself, by insulting me and calling me names REPETEADLY even when im not talking about you.

Did i say anything when you did that? Did i say anything when you called me illiterate and posted a mocking gif? And YOU'RE the oppressed party here?

Unlike others, i dont care about not playing with you on another game. I see pieces of shits like you on a daily basis. I'm not speaking for myself when i say no one should have to play with a scumbag like you.

[Donempire]

You made Ydrasse replace out
If you make someone replace out you were toxic

How do you know it was purely me and not you/dong lol? Paladin literally didnt want to play bc of u 2. Mission successful for you i guess. The gaslighhting at the end was unnecessary

Good. For all i know, hes just another scumbag who lurks games and comes in to insult people. He can go fuck himself too for all i care. Piece of shit

[Donempire]

Wait
Koba was the guy who got Mena banned?

As expected
I doubt this waste of sperm did anything good for anyone in its life