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Town players will lose if the paragons identify all of the secret identities. The "You win if the paragons guess correctly" portion of the Town Role PM refers specifically to the guessing of the scumteam.
If you have any questions about the setup, feel free to clarify with me and I'll be more than happy to answer.
Thank you for this clarification. I was highly confused and was going to ask about it in thread why it didn't just make sense to claim our alts immediately to make the paragon guess easier, but I didn't realize the Paragons had two different guesses.
VOTE: Lila Pitts I recognize all these other fools here. It's my idiot family members, You however, are a stranger. I don't take kindly to strangers in family discussions my friend. Please see your way out.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #12 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:14 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
as it has been a number of years since my last eLo day-one style game and don't remember there being such an inherent stance of RVS being forbidden in eLo day-one as you are postulating, and I have always been a huge proponent of RVS in the RVS versus RQS debate, I find your level of vehemence towards RVS to seem on the surface to be an attempt to appear to scumhunt without actual scumhunting, which is something only scum do because town actually *need* to actually scumhunt to find scum.
Due to your performative scumhunting without substance I award you four demerits to be subtracted from 100 points, and award myself 100 points due to my town role PM, leaving you and be matched at scores.
As I said Lila, all my family members are idiots, you're better served not having to put up with them, so you might as well leave now. My brother Five here provides ample demonstration to the fact.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
The characters are all from Umbrella Academy. Also this sequence reads like coming in and throwing down an initial post with a bog standard RVS vote, then reading the thread, realizing someone had already performatively pointed out the scummieness of RVS votes, and immediately unvoting.
Unfortunately, that unvote to avoid being a RVS vote in eLo is even more performative than five was telling us not to do it. Hello Five's partner. I always knew you liked him better than me Vanya, even though we were both supposed to be your brothers.
hooooooo boy. Five is *really* the leader in this scum team you guys got here isn't he?
Mod: Do baddy mc bad guys have daytalk?
I wonder if this is a coordinated vote here. It's less performative to have your scum buddy vote me than it is to vote me yourself after page 1 isn't it Five?
Klaus you on the special stash? You're mixin names up but the quotes look accurate for the names you posted? come at me if you're comin at me. I will cause the apocalypse if I get bored yeah I read up a little bit on vanya
I mixed up who was posting because my lovely sister Vanya's profile picture was similar-enough to that interloper's that on cursory glance without being smart I mixed them up. I'm sorry dear, I didn't mean to accuse you of voting for me. I know my favorite sister would never.
And no comment about if I have been imbuing the contents of my secret stash, you know that's only for me and my cult to know about!
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
oh god. First I accuse the lil guy of coaching my sister in private daytalk PTs, and so now he just does it openly in front of all of us! I'm definitely thinking we found our siblings who are betraying us
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #53 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:01 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
In post 52, Lila Pitts wrote:If you think for one second I will let you slander our sweet precious five like this then I am going to banish you to detention!
This is a family conversation Lila! >:(
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #68 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:37 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
in a game where 3 votes is hammer I strongly agree with declaring intent. One of the other two people may not have been ready to hammer, and this gives them the chance to come in and voice their agreeance with the hammer. For example, of I hadn't unvoted, and you came in and voiced intent to hammer lila, I would've have definitely unvoted, as I stated in my unvote the lila vote was an RVS vote to spark conversation, and I most definitely was not yet at a level I was comfortable being a part of her hammer
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #69 (isolation #21) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:38 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
In fact, I'll come straight out and say it for the paragon's benefit. Hammering without an intent and a few hours to allow that intent to be known is a straight up scum-claim.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #70 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:40 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
however, unvoting once an intent to hammer has been made without substantiating your unvote is also at least decently scummy, as it literally takes the entirety of the town to agree to a scum lynch, and an unsubstantiated unvote after an intent is a sign that the unvote could've been a soft-bus.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #81 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:42 pm
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
In post 80, Lila Pitts wrote:Vanya is townie because paragon loss isn't their main way of losing.
Maybe five is mafia in the end.
paragons guessing all 5 of our identities
lynching another townie
both of these lead to a loss, and a loss is a loss. Paragons are essentially a multi-ball setup from my PoV. Scum can win without me. Paragons can win without me.
Yes, if Paragons guess scum right but 5 identities wrong, then they can win with me but the likelihood of that statistically is much less relevant than them guessing both of the scum if I deduce 1 of the scum wrong.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
In post 83, Klaus Hargreeves wrote:@Mod, if we lynch a scum, and the paragons guess the 5 identities, who all wins?
This proposed sequence of events cannot happen.
The guess of all alt identities must be submitted before the elimination to be valid, and if it is correct the game will end immediately, meaning no scum can be eliminated.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
They have to alt guess us before the hammer?!
gf bed phone post motherfucker
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #121 (isolation #34) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:06 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
woh hey I get up from having been butt-ass naked at the computer after lunging from bed to fix my alt slip, go to the bathroom get dressed and make breakfast because *I JUST WOKE UP AND PHONEPOSTED AN ALT SLIP* and because I missed a 2 minute deadline I'm the devil?
whatever. whoever we're lynching it needs to be promptly, before the paragons get a better reads on our alt identities after my slip
I'm sorry for not sitting around in my 65 degree bedroom with my asscheecks on my pleather chair to wait for your directions allison
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
IT IS FINE OKAPOKA. WE KNOW YOU ARE SCUM. YOU JUST OUTTED YOURSELF. THIS GAME IS A 50/50 NOW.
okay so lewt me just break this down
even if you were right (which you're not) and we had 1 conf!scum and lynched a townie, before that the paragons had exactly a 1 in 10 chance of correctly guessing the scum team with 5 players. If 1 scum gets confirmed that ups to a 25% chance of guessing the scum team.
where the f are you picking 50/50 from?
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
I wouldn't feel bad about hammering you if I were scum.
I certainly wouldn't pass up the Klaus Hammer if I were scum
like all of this.
Allison is either town flailing or trying really hard to murky up the twilight for paragons. which makes no sense.
I honestly think allison is town flailing, as I honestly can not see any justification for scum to self vote in this quick-paced of an eLo environment.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #149 (isolation #40) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:40 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
from my POV, five passing up hammering me and your self voting yourself puts scum ad vanya/lila.
vanya hasn't been here this whole interaction which has been where a lot of telling actions have occurred and lila flipped votes onto you with nearly no provocation or comment.
Five not hammering me as scum only makes sense if I too am scum, and like I said, from my PoV, he therefore can't be scum.
allison selfvoting through a successful hammer is 100% townie thing to do, to prevent paragon identity vote causing us to lose before we even get a hammer, literally the only reason I switched to you instead of accepting a lynch on myself is because five was here and expressed willingness to hammer.
I would have switched to vanya, if you had youknow, given me more than 2 minutes when I was literally *naked as a newborn baby* and trying to hurriedly compose myself
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #156 (isolation #44) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:43 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
it's lila and vanya. I scumread vanya+five through most of the first few days, and only five's refusal to hammer me cleared him in my mind. that doesn't make sense from scum!five.
meanwhile lila's vote switch during this craziness was very opportunistic, and lila+vanya makes a pretty convincing scumteam
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
PERHAPS IT COULD. SORRY KLAUS BUT I SAW YOU POSTED RIGHT AFTER I POSTED AND VOTED VANYA SO IT FELT AS IF YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF EVER VOTING VANYA.
no i was literally just stream of consciousness spewing and you ninja'd me. until my next post like 20 minutes later I didn't read any of the thread after my alt slip
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
pedit: yeah i know i ninja'd you but my post should've shown up in ur pedits since this isn't in the marathon forum and seeing that you stopped responding /shrug
ninja'd typically from my experience refers to a post being made while you're reading the thread, before you hit the reply button, thereby being considered an existing-post when you open the reply window, not causing a "new posts" popup when you submit your post
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
yeah, so like if the game is so fast-paced that posts are being made quicker than you can read your own posts, and you don't use the quick reply window but the full-blown reply window, if a post is made before you hit "Reply, it will not trigger the new-post popup warning, as it will display in the feed under the reply box, for those discerning enough to read that feed (read: lol nobody)
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #173 (isolation #49) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:51 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
so if I am reading thread right now, and you make a post *while I am reading*
then i hit the "Reply" button bottom-left corner of the game, AND NOT USE THE QUICK REPLY, your post will be considered old/existing when U submit my reply, as it already existed before i started typing my reply
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #175 (isolation #50) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:53 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
In post 172, Allison Hargreeves wrote:anyways im the ic now everyone give me a list of how you thought about approaching this game, tackling all the conditions, what you did to advance the town win condition etc.
I deliberately put a birthday that I (assumed) would display during the game, that was not my birthday, deliberately put pronouns not my own, which I planned to obsesively correct people on.
all in an attempt to obfuscate my identity. Those familiar with me are familiar that idgaf about pronouns and will answer to any situation where I am the clearly indicated party, even though I am trans-femme and go by female pronouns.
all of these were ways i came up with to deliberately misconstrue my alt identity and it was apparently, successfully working
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
In post 172, Allison Hargreeves wrote:anyways im the ic now everyone give me a list of how you thought about approaching this game, tackling all the conditions, what you did to advance the town win condition etc.
I deliberately put a birthday that I (assumed) would display during the game, that was not my birthday, deliberately put pronouns not my own, which I planned to obsesively correct people on.
all in an attempt to obfuscate my identity. Those familiar with me are familiar that idgaf about pronouns and will answer to any situation where I am the clearly indicated party, even though I am trans-femme and go by female pronouns.
all of these were ways i came up with to deliberately misconstrue my alt identity and it was apparently, successfully working
I also deliberately ego-posted on my main against my better judgement, and against all previous examples of me using an alt on site, because I was deliberately trying to get my main-ego to implicate some other alt as me later the next day.
WHICH IS WHAT LED TO THIS
WHICH IS WHY I DONT MAIN EGO EVER
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #187 (isolation #52) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:57 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
Oh, I also reached out to both Kison and Zoraster about receiving the "Unofficial Site Contributor" skittle, which has no access or permission different than any other regular user, on my alt account, for the duration of the game so as to further lead astray my identity, as why would a secret alt get a skittle color unless their main was skittle, and while both found it immensely amusing and wanted to, they both could not in good conscience do so
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
you're upset we sniped your alt guess, but knowing you were alt guessing me wrong, does that give you comfort to know that if you had altguessed before we sniped you, you still wouldnt have won on alt guess
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus
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Post #201 (isolation #55) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:02 am
Postby Klaus Hargreeves »
In post 196, Lila Pitts wrote:Idk how cleared Klaus is I don't know maruchan that well but she might be clever enough to conflate the altgame and the alignment game a townish seeming schtick?
Fmpov pooky's TR of Klaus has to be illegitimate
nah I'm just lazy, I mean look at the activity overview. I really don't want to post-by-post analyze myself for everyone, especially when half my shit is "spur of the moment was stupid, dont know why I did this", re: my alt slip
but like, if the paragons want it, I will.
“My cult is going to be so pissed… I told them we had until 2019.” - Klaus