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Post #104 (isolation #0) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:20 am
Postby Faker »
Hey everyone, I'm about to start reading but yesterday was really long and I don't have a lot of energy.
I'd really like to go in Sillyposting, which I think plays to my strengths as a town player while quarantining a lot of concerns several players are likely to have about my scumgame. It puts a lot of pressure on the scumteam to use their swap to put me elsewhere, and it might not even be possible depending on the distribution of the scumteam.
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Post #105 (isolation #1) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:29 am
Postby Faker »
Skimming through, I too am a little underwhelmed by marcistar's explanation on selection. "Think I'd mix things up [in Sillyposting]" doesn't sound like a real reason, and I'm surprised she doesn't find the idea interesting.
I also thought Dwlee99's jump to SGB instantly with her was bizarre. Dwlee has two paces of play they can go to but it seems purely reactionary to marcistar and not at all rooted in what the minigames themselves are. I expect Dwlee to know those instant reads are a starting place and picking the game instantly as a result of one is questionable.
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Post #129 (isolation #3) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:55 am
Postby Faker »
I'm pretty annoyed by this and the fact that you are probably not both scum.
I don't really want to be in that minigame anymore, which is fine because I never thought I would actually find it fun or engaging. I do think it is a shame, since I strongly feel it was best for the alignment to be placed there.
I don't like the current spam so I'm going to clock out and come back later when it dies down.
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Post #138 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:01 am
Postby Faker »
Why is it +town for me? The danger of sillyposting is that people
actually
quarantine me there. You are both significantly less likely to pick me as scum, meaning I could no bluff my way into winning the hardest minigame and am better shuffled elsewhere.
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Post #148 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:13 am
Postby Faker »
I could go in Mafia Discussion. I don't mind getting chosen as a clear, though my reads are not the greatest, and I think it will be pretty difficult for me to win any minigame outside of Sillyposting as an unclear the scumteam may think I am being facetious or outright disagree.
In SGB, marcistar I could probably bat above average in reading, but Dwlee tends to be a bad matchup for me on that front. I always find them very null.
In Sillyposting, I could probably win it one way or another but to be blunt I don't think I would have any fun whatsoever in reading or responding to whatever arguments crop up. I'm willing to make some sacrifice, but I did sign up for this game hoping to have some fun.
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Post #150 (isolation #8) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:17 am
Postby Faker »
From a fun perspective you get roped together with marcistar a lot. Part of that is because of friendship and signing up for the same games a lot, but it'd probably be nice to strike out.
At the end of the day scum are going to have options for who to clear. Give it a shot and enjoy the mixup if it lands on you IMO.
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Post #158 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:40 am
Postby Faker »
It is a 50/50 that it spirals into 200 post walls of incredibly complex argumentation that will be difficult to track, and for a third party to find the clear value of. I don't frame this internally as a personal attack on either of you: I can easily say the same applies to me.
I think he's likely to enjoy tracing extended lines of argumentation in search of real meaning, whereas I frankly would not and thus don't want to be there. There is also a very good chance that one of you recognizes very quickly that he is town and the game ends there.
In post 173, Faker wrote:Now that Sillyposting is gone, do you have a preference between the other two?
I'd also caution people that anyone going into SGB automatically ends the day.
I'm not sure who you are asking but Mafia Discussion seems like a better choice because the conftown usually decides last while the other two players crossvote.
It was to you, I will try to make my posts more clear when in sequence like that.
Can you go further with why that functionality makes MD a better fit for you or more preferable to SGB? You can be a crossvoter or the clear, so it's not obvious which one you'd like to be or if it's something about the overall dynamic.
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Post #181 (isolation #16) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:49 am
Postby Faker »
In post 175, Datisi wrote:highlighting one of the rules here: if the day deadline runs out, the hackers will immediately win.
I'm a bit concerned by this, it's already not possible in this game but this entails configurations such that scum can automatically force a win Day 1. It is actually pretty trivial for them to do so; if town are split into a configuration of exactly 1-1-1 with scum unassigned the scum have already won the game.
Perhaps this was intentional, but in my ruleset that was why I required at least one town player remaining unassigned for this to kick in.
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Post #183 (isolation #17) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:07 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 182, Prism wrote:Looking between the two, I heavily prefer Mafia Discussion. It sounds like Dragons is willing to fill if needed, but I'm curious if people have any preference for who goes there.
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Post #211 (isolation #18) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:07 pm
Postby Faker »
I feel very, very good about marcistar being town after the read on Lukewarm. I shared it, and it was part of why I heavily considered biting the bullet on Sillyposting. I also felt like I could win us that minigame if that was the 3, even if my initial read were wrong and I might not have fun doing it. Counterfactuals are easy since I never have to back it up. I also was going to make a marked attempt to have a more optimistic viewpoint on it.
Some people like to sit here all day and coordinate Day 1 but I really wanted a more mild discussion and some initial thoughts on which minigame, why, and if people had strong meta feelings about how we should sort. It doesn't look like anyone has any objections to me going MD, but I'll give it another chance. I think Dragons going into SGB works over RH9/Meuh, but I do worry about the difficulty of that game.
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Post #215 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:11 pm
Postby Faker »
Thinking about it, MD isn't really my strongsuit. I'm actually very, very bad at direct 1v1s without immense effort. I mostly view alignments and perspective as interchangeable, and with no real hunting or puzzle left to do in that game it is difficult for me to pretend to care that I am sincere or genuine.
For Meuh, I skimmed it as part of Signs; a tenuous meta argument was the crux of my townread on you that game.
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Post #221 (isolation #23) » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:17 pm
Postby Faker »
Pooky, you were noticeably silent in voicing any thoughts on what game I should go in. Did you have any thoughts on it, even before Sillyposting filled?
In post 105, Faker wrote:Skimming through, I too am a little underwhelmed by marcistar's explanation on selection. "Think I'd mix things up [in Sillyposting]" doesn't sound like a real reason, and I'm surprised she doesn't find the idea interesting.
I also thought Dwlee99's jump to SGB instantly with her was bizarre. Dwlee has two paces of play they can go to but it seems purely reactionary to marcistar and not at all rooted in what the minigames themselves are. I expect Dwlee to know those instant reads are a starting place and picking the game instantly as a result of one is questionable.
I don't say all of my thoughts
I hope you're willing to share more about your selection tomorrow.
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Post #257 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:30 am
Postby Faker »
Still in a holding pattern personally, assuming I go MD and am ready to get a move on. Holding off as long as people still want to keep going though Dragons can unilaterally end it.
In post 211, Faker wrote:I feel very, very good about marcistar being town after the read on Lukewarm.
idk that many verys seems a bit too confident, i dont think my luke read was too hard to say, is it seriously only the luke read backing up this feeling?
Yeah, enough to be the top TR for now is fine with me.
In post 239, marcistar wrote:if its only the luke read backing up this feeling i feel like its a bit hard for me to see u as genuine rn..
Oh, uh, well I guess that won't work...if that's what you'd like to see me make up...Nahhhhhhhh!
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Post #270 (isolation #29) » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:20 am
Postby Faker »
For marcistar, I am again being a bit cheeky. The second line was a joke from a scum-Faker perspective, where because you (marcistar) gave a sort of "If it's only X, then I will be suspicious [but if it's not, then I will not be so suspicious]" blueprint to me in advance, I already knew how you wanted me to respond.
Since my (real, nonjoking) first response didn't meet that expectation, I am joking that scum-Faker has to go back to the drawing board when they read the blueprint.
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Post #293 (isolation #32) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:15 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 150, Faker wrote:From a fun perspective you get roped together with marcistar a lot. Part of that is because of friendship and signing up for the same games a lot, but it'd probably be nice to strike out.
At the end of the day scum are going to have options for who to clear. Give it a shot and enjoy the mixup if it lands on you IMO.
This is genuine; I was looking forward to Meuh striking out completely separately.
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Post #295 (isolation #33) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:18 pm
Postby Faker »
At first I wasn't really sure if it was a S/T or S/S with just this information, but now my guess would be S/S.
While I didn't expect marcistar to volunteer, I don't think RH9 probably wants to go against me or clear me. S/T I don't see why you keep me and kick out RH9 to the 3 way.
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Post #301 (isolation #35) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:26 pm
Postby Faker »
My suggestion is we resolve MD after Sillyposting, which gives Lukewarm all the time in the world to read marcistar without letting him strongarm it if they wound up partnered.
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Post #307 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:31 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 300, Lukewarm wrote:I am disinclined to believe that the scum team would move town!marci to 1v1 with faker, simply because scum!faker could 1v1 most people, and I think that they would want her to go up against someone who was not already primed to lose a different minigame.
While I realize this is the dreaded self-meta, unclear in MD plays against every strength I have in the game.
Straight up 1v1ing is my kryptonite as either alignment because town can just read the other person and ignore me. My "but I'm genuine!" spirit is truly non-existent after 12 years of playing this game and the tonal differences might as well be non-existent. People are going to expect me to hunt outside as either alignment but unless we win both minigames outright no one is going to give a shit how right I am.
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Post #313 (isolation #38) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:34 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 309, Meuh wrote:Oh. Okay.
Resolving MD first sounds best to me since it's the option that keeps the most townies in the game to drive discussion? But maybe there's more important factors at play. (I also want to resolve it first so I can focus elsewhere afterwards but that's too personal and specific to really matter)
I'd push against this. Lukewarm is very good at reading marcistar and she will struggle to keep up later, especially if a scumloss comes through.
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Post #321 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:37 pm
Postby Faker »
I don't really see the motivation to put this confidence in my reads given the last performance you saw from me, and my reads on Day 1 were clearly off as well.
I know you're exaggerating and being cheeky to some extent, but I can't tell if there is some hint of faith in my ability to read the other 2 games. I actually really did not want SGB as town because I have struggled to read Dwlee99 and Dragons, another case like that, wound up third. Sillyposting is doable but is the definition of suffering, but I do think I can contribute there and I would like to flip it before MD.
In post 309, Meuh wrote:Oh. Okay.
Resolving MD first sounds best to me since it's the option that keeps the most townies in the game to drive discussion? But maybe there's more important factors at play. (I also want to resolve it first so I can focus elsewhere afterwards but that's too personal and specific to really matter)
I'd push against this. Lukewarm is very good at reading marcistar and she will struggle to keep up later, especially if a scumloss comes through.
SUUUUURE IF UR SO CONFIDENT SCUMWOMAN LETS DO THIS
BUT SPOILER ALERT: IM NOT SCUM AND U KNOW THAT ALREADY DONT U
Tonally blitzing this game isn't likely to be an effective strategy. People know that you can fake it for a short period of time; pace yourself and focus on the other games.
Earlier you accused me of not wanting to spew, but this is my first response to you. Instead I've been interacting with the rest of the table, because that is both the approach that I should take as town and the one expected of me as town that I am therefore forced to emulate were I really scum.
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Post #332 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:44 pm
Postby Faker »
Tonal 1v1 blitzing is what happens in chat mafia. It's why I said it's actually my kryptonite; I don't like informed 1v1ing because I've done it a million times and I no longer have the sincerity for it.
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Post #335 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:46 pm
Postby Faker »
@Lukewarm Bold but okay.
Right now my guess would be RH9/Pooky but I have little confidence in my ability to read either Pooky or Penguin and will more be relying on my ability to read you.
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Post #336 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:47 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 334, marcistar wrote:im so confident on u?!??!?! should i not go after the head of scum?!?!??!?!
i would interact with others but nothings really interesting in terms of their games so far, still dont like dwlee from yesterday tho but ur my focus bb XOXOXOXOOZ
I warned you, but suit yourself. Part of me will hope it works out for you.
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Post #337 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:50 pm
Postby Faker »
I'm interested to see more from SGB.
S/T swap meant they had to pick who to throw in this with me. Dragons would not be eager to (and to be blunt, I am completely merciless as scum, I would have jumped at the chance to throw Dragons in MD and absolutely beat his ass up and down the court for 48 minutes again). Dwlee99 probably would have been okay with it given their last go-around in Melancholia.
S/S I'm actually not sure RH9 goes into this game with me to begin with if he's scum.
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Post #340 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:53 pm
Postby Faker »
In post 338, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im like 95% sure we win just by going penguin-marci full send but ill let faker do stuff so she doesnt get mad at me for not taking this game seriously.
Why does Lukewarm pick the hardest minigame again? Is the theory here WIFOM redemption? iirc you joined second. Perhaps he hoped I'd join instead, but shrug.
You might want to win and get revenge in a vacuum, but going through the process is another matter entirely. It wasn't that you particularly respected my skill that game or wanted a rematch: You were openly miserable, despised dealing with my aggression, and hated it even with the knowledge I was scum.
You could both respect my skill and think you would win, and yet still never want to touch MD with me with a 10 foot pole.
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Post #349 (isolation #49) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:05 pm
Postby Faker »
If people really want to play blitz, it's not like I can stand in the way, but I don't think it plays to any of our strengths no matter how you slice it. Maybe it'd work in SGB if all three could be online simultaneously, but their timezone splits could make that very difficult.
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Post #360 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:15 pm
Postby Faker »
marci, while I suspect you're just trying to force through tone, if there was deeper strategic intent behind it and you were hoping in your opener that you could exploit something along the lines of an unreadable 1v1 of Signs, that is not how this minigame works unfortunately.
The blueprint for that involves
forcing
me to respond by making bad-faith interpretations of my posts. This puts me in the bind of either relying on other people to read deeply themselves, or in responding but creating an unreadable web.
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Post #367 (isolation #52) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:19 pm
Postby Faker »
I'm happy enough leaving marcistar to her own devices so I'll take a step back and let other people contribute for awhile. I'm especially interested in more from SGB.
I'd like to think the Sillyposting lock was town but I'm not going to call alignment on Lukewarm quickly now that the stakes are high. I'm happy enough with the current arrangement.
I will also continue to offer unsolicited, condescending but well-intentioned wisdom on occasion, partially out of goodwill but partially to let it sink for her what a mistake this was.
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Post #370 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:30 pm
Postby Faker »
Also, contextually, while it's not really pressing or might be of interest, this is where I'm coming from with spitballing that this might be a scum/scum swap to avoid Dragons going in a game with me:
In post 1624, Save The Dragons wrote:im about halfway through but after that shitty post by you i'm almost content letting you lose if your town
In post 1625, Save The Dragons wrote:stop whining that i'm not playing how you want me to play and accept that we're different here
In post 1630, Save The Dragons wrote:congrats prism i guess you win either way unless you do something stupid like vote me
maybe chill next time
There were no props or discussion postgame. It was not even remotely a fun 3 way for him. He claims to want a rematch, and maybe he genuinely does. I doubt he holds my play in high regard, and I'm sure he'd love to see me lose, but it's hard to believe he'd legitimately want to go through the
process
again. Sometimes you're satisfied with your own opinion and judgments of yourself and another, and there's no need to pay the steep price of testing them.
but I know Marci and that's scum on the run if i've ever seen one
Also this is a bizarre post; he might anticipate being wrong but he relishes the chance to be the first person to read me with any consistency in ~7 years and I doubt he passes on the chance to pad the record so easily.
Focusing on marcistar is a better call but he's not going to ignore trying to read my slot entirely as town.
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Post #382 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:50 pm
Postby Faker »
You're spending a lot of time arguing with Lukewarm about how scum he is. I hope that's part of your effort to sort him, and not part of your effort to convince him of anything.
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Post #386 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:01 pm
Postby Faker »
I'm fine with Lukewarm town but Jesus Christ let's make more of an attempt to hold the reins on blitz, MD is going to turn into a straight coinflip and get supremely fucked over if the other minigames resolve fast.