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sorry for continuing to talk about myself but maybe it will explain my mindset
part of my issue is that im still not really sure which direction is right
and it's hard for me to then start writing out and casing like "ok here are all these scummy things about this person" because im pretty sure if i did that i would get convinced that person of scum, whichever one it was. i found that happening when i was revisiting my reasons for why bulge/brassherald was scum. but then this morning i was looking at why hellbooks makes sense as scum and i found myself getting convinced of that
so like that's the benefit to me of voting first and either having the game end or having the answer confirmed. because then i can actually show whoever is town all the reasons that do make sense and be able to show them confidently and know they're correct
i just spent like two weeks in a game doing this kind of elo back and forth trying to find the solve and i got it wrong a bunch of times but i did eventually get it right, and then wasn't confident enough to push it through. it did kinda hurt though to several times have that confident solve and case it and then find out it was wrong-
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i also found 2857 very towny and a lot of my immediate reaction was like. why would she do this as scum. what is this accomplishing as a partner with skitterIn post 4752, Infinity 324 wrote: you know, the truth is i kinda don't. i do find 2857 very towny. i also find the follow up of "why isn't skitter answering me" very anti-aligned (though i could construe a thing where skitt ignores her to look anti-partnered? idk). i think if hellbooks is scum she would probably be doing more to push the gamestate in her preferred direction, i think if she's scum here she has a strange amount of sereneness to not fret that people will not worried why she is still alive or why she isn't posting more content. i guess i see that hellbooks could be scum, but i don't see many reasons in the thread to believe that it is the case.
and i think that really that's the thing that makes hellbooks hard to read is that so many of the things she does are because they're fun and because they make people laugh and because they make her laugh and they make the thread an enjoyable place to be. and that's her wincon regardless of alignment. so like the standard mindset of "well this post doesn't make sense as x alignment therefore she is y alignment" doesn't really work as well
as for the more specific points:
1) i don't really see the "skitter didn't read my post" as anti-aligned because there isn't really any pressure placed. it's said in a pretty joking playful way of like "oops you forgot to respond!" (3205, 3210) and she doesn't like push skitter any harder to actually get answers to her questions. i would actually say it feels more aligned than non-aligned. i think skitter would be more likely to feel pressure from a town player to respond to their questions even if there wasn't a lot of active pressure placed
2) she did generally push things in a pro-scum direction during coalition phase, where she kept her vote on skitter inexplicably but also was healing her and pushing for coalitions that had skitter and also not pushing for coalitions that had herself in. as town she's generally pretty against being on wagons and like, contributing to killing people, and she's does a lot more of that here (in what i would argue is a pro-scum way)
3) i think i agree that she is generally serene about things but also see point 1 in 277. i know from the time you entered she seemed like unassailable town but i don't think that there ever really was a point where i would expect her to fret about people worrying she's still alive. i think for the majority of the game it would have been a pretty big surprise if she got nightkilled, and until isis got un-townspewed i wouldn't have even thought it likely at all last night-
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yeah i think a lot of her content is towny. it is definitely performance a bit but it could be as either alignmentIn post 4755, Infinity 324 wrote:In post 896, hellbooks wrote: To the person who said that bulge could be scum with anybody (i think fire) i would say sure but also its not as if his iso is an utter information wasteland in fact we have 1) 3-4 scum reads and an ordered list of townreads and 2) his lack of this hot new sorting strategy that has taken the site by storm that people are calling "thread control"
this is towny though rightIn post 897, hellbooks wrote: not to get all wuthering heights about it but the bulge's singular and glaring absence from all of this has somehow captivates my mind as if his ghostly absence was speaking louder than any other player in the game. That is all to say ive considered healing him without any attached explanation like maybe 15+ times
idk i feel like whenever hellbooks posts content it's just towny. or maybe i'm just captivated by the performance
i think if you read the traitor game though there's some of this similar energy of coming at the game from strange contrarian angles and getting townread for it-
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one point of doubt i keep running into is like the bits where she keeps trying to kind of banter with skitter (and skitter is not really having it) like with the hades and persephone stuff. it does feel kinda unpartnered and too on the nose of an interaction when i read it in isolation
but also it would look weird if there was like one specific slot that she didn't banter at all with and that slot ended up flipping scum so maybe it was just like trying to fulfill a quota of that type of interaction-
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oops i lied she wasn't actually healing like anybodyIn post 4756, fireisredsir wrote: she did generally push things in a pro-scum direction during coalition phase, where she kept her vote on skitter inexplicably but also was healing her and pushing for coalitions that had skitter and also not pushing for coalitions that had herself in.
the post i was thinking of was 1442
and also 1802 where she doesn't express an issue with skitter being in the coal that ari proposed
and the one coal that she kinda said she was okay with was (her tris bulge sheep ari) which she acknowledged was never getting accepted. and that does feel like kinda what scum outside the coalition is supposed to do. have opinions that nobody will actually follow you on
i guess maybe my original point wasn't super accurate now that ive more thoroughly fact checked but it was what it felt like from memory. and i still think she at least definitely didn't play it in a way that pushed for town coalitions, and the absence of that helps scum-
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the early part was mostly seeing how things developed when hellbooks was a lot more townread and skitter wasn't. and the general flow of things does make me feel like that points towards hellbooks
the later part was me mostly looking at how hellbooks responded to people suggesting that she be in the coal (mostly tris pushing for that, and then ari asking) and the response was kind of a reluctant "yeah i guess so" (2102 - 2117)
as well as seeing how skitter responded to ari's suggestion of putting bulge in and then insta yeeting him. i think there is probably something alignmenty that can be read out of that but i am not sure-
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possibly yeah i don't see why notIn post 4762, Infinity 324 wrote:
right but is town!hellbooks ever actually going to do thisIn post 4760, fireisredsir wrote: i guess maybe my original point wasn't super accurate now that ive more thoroughly fact checked but it was what it felt like from memory. and i still think she at least definitely didn't play it in a way that pushed for town coalitions, and the absence of that helps scum
esp once it looked like skitt was a lock
i think in her two recent towngames she did push for her gamestate view to be heard more than she did here-
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oh lmao well done-
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ok that point rescinded idk-
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idk. im town. whoever else is town should just like find me as town. that seems like the easiest path forward here to me-
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id rather vote first than get voted but id rather you vote each other than either of those optionsIn post 4772, Infinity 324 wrote: i thought you wanted to vote first though?
ill probably get it wrong either way but i think the third option is highest win%, and getting voted is lowest win%-
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it's like mechanically optimal to force scum to vote first. so if you think im scum then i should be the one to vote
but fmpov either of you voting each other is more optimal than me voting because then the cross is guaranteed to have scum
whereas if one of you votes me then you might be town and we lose-
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obviously the same applies to each of you though from your own perspective if town so like
its easiest for everyone if scum just decides they want to force a specific gamestate and takes the plunge and votes-
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so yea if scum could go ahead and do that, that would also be fine-
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i keep hitting this wall where i want to agree with the points that infinity is making about hellbooks being towny and im like "damn maybe they're right" but then the alternative is that they are scum and its like ok there is no secret third option for me to vote here (as much as i would like to) so why would scum infinity be trying to convince me that hellbooks is town-
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i guess that actually does make a lot of sense hm-
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i think it just means that despite me not believing that i do, i maybe do have at least a little bit of the perspective of thinking im the main character and that im the one who scum will feel the need to pocket here-
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ive been training my omgus muscles this game to try to get better at it and im almost ready to pull out the "if you don't even think it's possible that you can find me as town here then you're scum"-
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in hollow knight mafia elo i spent a lot of time solving and reading the game and reading past meta and trying to figure out which answer made the most sense and then i finally as a last ditch effort decided to try the old chat mafia trick of real time interaction and reading gimli's reactions to what i was saying
and i thought he was scum off it and i very nearly threw the rest of my solving out the window and voted him
i would have been correct to do so but then the moment passed and i let it go-
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now im wondering if infinity noticing that hellbooks likes explaining jokes and then asking her to explain house of leaves post was a pocket attempt-
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i don't get what about these you think are more likely to come from scum than townIn post 4789, Infinity 324 wrote: the "oh wait what" post and on day 3 you felt a bit "ok lets get this over with" and now you feel demoralized.-
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including this as a reason feels more like piling on things that sound good as a reason for me to be scum in isolation rather than something that actually convinces youIn post 4789, Infinity 324 wrote: skitt also just kept pushing for you to not be in the coalition
because she pushed more for hellbooks to not be in the coalition than me so there's not really any reason this should be a part of your thought process-
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genuinely very sorry if they had that effectIn post 4794, Infinity 324 wrote: there are a bunch of things you've posted this day phase that would make me feel bad for voting you. and i don't think that's what town!you actually wants so unless you're coming off way different than you intend i don't think you'd actually be posting those things as town
i really don't like when people do that because i am very effected by those type of posts, so i definitely wouldn't want to do that to anyone else. ill try to do more to avoid things that are in that realm
if you're town i don't think you should feel bad for voting me-
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you talked about how there was one post where she had hellbooks at the top of her list of people she didn't want in and then i talked about how there were a bunch of posts were she was much more willing to consider putting me in and then you didn't really engage with that and kept the same opinion i thinkIn post 4794, Infinity 324 wrote: pedit: i don't think that is factually true and i talked about this-
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i don't think my levels of demoralization have much to do with this specific game was what i was trying to get atIn post 4794, Infinity 324 wrote: i don't think you'd be demoralized here as town because you said you weren't demoralized. and unless you're confident i'm town you shouldn't be that demoralized as town here-
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i guess the difference here is early vs late in the day
i think skitter was honest when she made the post about how ideal scum strategy is to try to both get in and then only once things are coalescing do you try to aim for 1 in 1 out
pushing your partner out from the beginning is a lot riskier-
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early in the day she was scumreading me and pushing me out, and townreading hellbooks
late in the day when things actually started coalescing there were points also where she was considering putting me in and she wasn't really ever entertaining the possibility of putting hellbooks in-
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she wasn't really and part of the reason she started getting townread was because she was content with everyone leaving her outIn post 4808, Infinity 324 wrote: hm yeah i just think that skitt was pretty widely townread from pretty early but that's something i have to reread-
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she did townread me like in rvs but that dropped off before she got townread herself-
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i am reading and i can't find a point where she wants both herself and hellbooks in the coal so yes i guess i would like quotes if you have thatIn post 4806, Infinity 324 wrote: but i think she was happy with hellbooks in the coal at most point lmk if you want quotes
around the time that she starts getting put in coals is around the time that her read on hellbooks drops and she pushes her out-
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yeah
i think that comes at the point where she is just kinda starting to get some townreads-
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im gonna track peoples progressions it'll take a minute tho-
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while tracking progressions i found this joke post about how scum didn't post on page 82 and its literally correctIn post 2049, fireisredsir wrote: it's confirmed in hellbooks/bulge/skitter-
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isis
- initial position is skitter is hard to read so leave her out
- 214 skitter is probably town for not looking like she has an agenda
- 357 she probably wants skitter in coal
- 570 heals skitter
- from this point on she pretty much just solidly townreads skitter
- 1380 says she'll proxy vote skitter
- 1461 is notable in that it convinced sheep and kinda signifies skitter moving into towncore
sheep
- 629 first mention of skitter is putting her in a coalition
- 658 "skitter isfinebut thats a low quality read"
- 874 skitter is fine ish, good vibes, doesn't feel like she has a scum agenda
- 936 puts her in coal again as his 5th slot
- 1262 skitter is a little bit towny for not giving sheep an easy townread that he probably doesn't deserve
- 1476 skitter paranoia quashed
- his position on skitter doesn't really change from here on
- agrees with tris/skitter/shea towncore in 2234
ari
- 348 agrees with me and wants skitter in the fun car
- 367 makes a coal without skitter
- 539 still wants skitter out
- 794 says a coalition with skitter in it will win
- 1394 first time voting for a coalition with skitter in it
- i should note that ari doesn't really directly state a read on skitter much at all during this time. she tends to have more rigid worldviews where for a while she thought the team was me/shea, so therefore everyone else is town. but somewhere in there she does seem to transition from wanting skitter out to being fine with her in
- 1797 has a readlist with skitter/hellbooks/bulge at the bottom. ouch. gj ari. but she's trying to work with consensus and that involves putting skitter in
- 1954 paranoid of skitter a bit
- 2180 bulge is outed scum and makes sense as partnered with shea/sheep/fire. maybe skitter but she thinks skitter is town
shea
- 84 rvs read of skitter scum
- 476 votes a coalition with skitter in it
- 519 hurts skitter, doesn't like an interaction they had
- 535 scum team is skitter and ari
- 547 explains why
- 1049 says a coalition without skitter wins
- 1137 argues with skitter a bit but doesn't necessarily seem to have her as lockscum
- 1189 doesn't have a good reason to scumread skitter but disagrees with her worldview
- 1358 considers a coalition that has skitter in it (that ari proposed)
- 1498 still has something stuck in his craw about skitter
- 1687 iffy on skitter but is considering voting a coalition with her in it
- 1861 heals skitter
- from here to end of phase he is pretty much pushing coalitions that have skitter in them
fire
- 110 skitter is neutral
- 347 i tell ari i want skitter in the fun car
- 470 don't actively scumread skitter but considering worlds where she might be content being left out because she's scum with someone who's solidly in
- 554 skitter posting is fine rn
- 920 agree with sheep that skitter feels a little towny due to being agendaless
- 921 and 923 i reference some posts that ping me as town for skitter
- btw for reference most of this time i am holding on to a heal list of shea/tris/hellbooks
- 1344 hey i also agreed with the ari coal that had skitter in it
- 1683 votes for a coalition with skitter in it
- 1827 long rambly thought dump on skitter. still think she feels agendaless but not that confident
- 2159 here i start formalizing the coalition core of shea/tris/skitter. i think around here marks the point where skitter is in basically every coal
hellbooks
- 154 agrees with a post from skitter
- 386 begins firing the laser at skitter
- 1700 philosophical manifesto in response to ari asking her if she likes a coalition that includes skitter. i think the conclusion is "not really and we should put you in it"
- 1802 readlist that has skitter in the lower portion
- 1820 doomed to always be a little bit suspicious of skitter
- 2056 when skitter asks why she's being lasered she says it's like a magnum opus piece. and also later in the post says that she's fine with being in the fun car or with being put in the coal and then limmed
The Bulge/brassherald
- 317 skitter isn't touching his coalition. votes one without her
- 345 says skitter is omgus him when she says she won't put him in hers either
- 2340 brass subs in
- 2358 recognizes the consensus of tris/shea/skitter as the coalition core
- he then only votes for ones with those people in them. not a lot of time to develop a read so not much there-
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omg i forgot tris hold on sorry tris-
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ok so to kind of condense these into a general timeline i think we have:
posts about 1-500: most people are around neutral on skitter, and general consensus i think seems to be that we should leave her out because she's a strong player who isn't obvtown yet. skitter herself seems on board with this. isis does townread skitter, hellbooks and bulge seem to scumread skitter but without much thread influence
posts about 500-900ish: skitter trajectory tends to improve for most people, except shea who thinks she's scum with ari. but gradually light townreads seem to be developing. isis townread still going strong. reasoning is often in the realm of her not pushing herself into the coalition and not seeming like she's trying to win the game for scum
posts about 900-1300ish: townreads solidify a little more, with multiple people talking about how she feels agendaless. fire and sheep go from more neutral reads to townleans, shea loses his scumread
posts about 1300-1800ish: skitter townreads solidify further, especially with fire/ari/shea/sheep all being on board with a skitter coalition. isis and others are casing skitter as town and she is moving from "slightly weak borderline town" in the consensus into "stronger town"
posts about 1800-2200: coalition starts to coalesce around a tris/shea/skitter towncore. there's not a lot of protest to these names and most people tend to agree with them being in-
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i will also as a very unhelpful editors note say that both when i was tracking the hellbooks skitter progression and the bulge skitter progression i was like "wow this looks extremely scummy"-
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ok so i was mostly trying to be as objective as possible so that this is like a matter of public record and can be analyzed from anyone's perspective to find the scum
but i will add a little bit of a so that it isn't entirely iioa
which is that fmpov i think when looking at skitter's iso given this context it does make a little more sense to me that she would be okay with being left out at the start and recognizing that she is a consensus scumread if her partner is hellbooks rather than bulge. it would be pretty bold to be like "yeah sure ari throw me in the fun car with bulge". that is and has been and continues to be a point of contention for me this whole game as ive considered whether bulge slot is scum, and the explanation for me is that if it is then she just knew we weren't actually going to coalesce any time soon
i do think it would be pretty dangerous for her to try to pull that off though, because mindsets can form quickly and be hard to shift -- me, isis, ari all got a few early scumreads and then never really fully shook them. skitter going for the "well im fine with this" approach and just hoping people townread it is i guess hard to picture but also like again what else is she gonna do. if people don't townread her and her partner is afk then all she can really do is sit back and wait and then maybe later if she still hasn't gotten townreads she forces her way in
i dunno
it doesn't seem like the skitter approach though to just from the very beginning be against her partner being in. it's a lot easier to start with a townread and then gradually downgrade it if needed than it is to scumread them and then have to awkwardly prop them up if you need to later-
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and like the timing does make sense i think. she's noticing the trend of things and is gathering more townreads while hellbooks is starting to lose the initial ones she had. the hades and persephone metaphor is maybe more apt for the way in which hellbooks was down in the trenches of getting viberead which is a pretty quick burst of towniness that eventually fades, while skitter stuck to the other side of the game in the more analytical stuff, not forcing anything too hard, which will probably get her more and more townread over time
and then at a certain point somewhere in the middle hellbooks is happy to tag out and let skitter take her place in the coalition as they high five when they meet at the intersecting point of their oppositely sloped trajectories in thread consensus view-
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this post also made me go back to compare and i think the way she handled skitter in referenced game is like wildly different and a lot more hands on:In post 1820, hellbooks wrote: i think im doomed to always be a little suspicious of skitter because she so often fits the model of what i think is the archetypal scum: someone who has a firm grasp of the game but isnt its top contributor and is also generally making measured posts and cultivating trust. you could even say that its an rvs read that has nevertheless persisted into the current day. i kind of dont know how to go about finding things to townread about her and i felt this way in the magical first datisi game too
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like yea she's clearly struggling to come up with a confident read but the struggle is also like very evident in thread. you can see her trying to find that read-
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caveats that it's a different setup where you actually are blasting right away and hellbooks was actually under some lim pressure there which may have pushed out some additional opinions (although she's said a couple times that she doesn't think pressure really brings anything more out of here)
but like it is still a micro and all of those posts were on day 1-
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there's just so much more sorting of people in that game but directly comparing how she treats skitter i think makes the difference especially noticeable-
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i also currently think that but probably as soon as hellbooks comes back and posts again ill be like "wait no nvm"-
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rats make me crazy-
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maybe notIn post 4833, fireisredsir wrote:probably as soon as hellbooks comes back and posts again ill be like "wait no nvm"-
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im patient
we have like a week until deadline still somehow-
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i certainly wouldn't expect to-
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me listening to new dj sabrina the teenage dj
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oh no
ive been bamboozled-
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i have pretty much just been waiting to see if hellbooks has any thoughts or like response to latest stuff
but i think the way that (or lack thereof) has developed has only increased my scumread so far
it feels more like she's holding off until she has the time/motivation/energy to gather the requisite effort needed to Make Content when that isn't really what i need i was just hoping to see some sort of hipfire reactions or like any explanation of current solving thought process
and that pattern of approach does feel a lot more like a scum one
the plausible town explanation i guess would be that she doesn't feel confident enough in any of her thoughts to just openly spew them in the limited time she's been here. but like. if you are town you still gotta share them anyway-
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ngl this is kind of what i was expecting for a while but i appreciate busting out all the chopsIn post 4855, hellbooks wrote: i definitely had the thought to come in here today and say something completely inane in three words or less and then be like "alright ive been prohibited from saying anymore" and i guess even now im resisting the impulse to delete all this and do that still
but then i guess id have to come back and say something on saturday so might as well get it all out now-
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In post 4855, hellbooks wrote: anyway this seems like such an important infinity is town thing that it surprises me a little that it didnt seem to factor into the conversaation already
there's been a lot of things that have reinforced my thinking of infinity town especially with regards to how they've played this day phase, and i think them not taking a potential win/easier path to victory that they could have had is part of thatIn post 4855, hellbooks wrote: but idk i think its way more likely that the timing of fire becoming more confident about me being scum is aligning with this pivot from infinity because they want infinity to vote me and now that infinity has kind of expressed that inclination any sort of active supicion about inifintiy themselves has kind of evaporated
but idk maybe thats because fire is kind of done assembling thoughts about infinity and doesnt need to express any additional paranoia because all of the posts from 5 or whatever pages ago still stand as their beliefs and so dont need to be updated
whereas i guess their paranoia about me continues to evolve
ive mentioned that a few times but like. there isn't really any point in me casing why confidence is growing for me in infinity town. if im right then there's nobody that i need to convince of that being true
i guess this goes back to the "maybe i should play elos like im scum" idea because there is actually some value in being performative and posting things just for the sake of getting people to townread you. it's just not something im particularly motivated to do unless someone asks me to explain a thought process somewhere-
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i mean i still think that forcing your scumread to vote first is optimal and so i still would like for you to vote first so feel free to restore that motivating elementIn post 4855, hellbooks wrote: i guess there isnt any way i can verify this to you but my personal explanation for why i havent been posting is because one of the biggest motivators for me to post has been the stress of the prospect of coming in here and having to make some deciding vote and wanting to fully prepare and organize myself for that so that no one comes in during post game like "i cant believe we left the game decider to that bozo" and now that its looking less likely that i'll have to do that my body has kind of stopped producing the requisite adrenaline for me to cook up more silly words
but here i am nevertheless persisting-
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i think it's both very cool and also a little tragic that there are words like this that express an idea where if you try to translate it into english it's missing some. well. je ne sais quoi. and it feels like even if you get close it doesn't quite capture itIn post 4855, hellbooks wrote: 인연
it's like even having those words unlocked in your vocabulary helps you conceptualize ideas that you didn't fully appreciate as their own distinct thing before, and helps you see the world a little differently. but so much of that potential is locked away in other languages and we probably won't ever get to experience that understanding and new way of viewing things, and that's the tragic part i guess. it makes me want to learn every language and maybe even pay attention in french class
anyway cool word thanks-
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i don't get how "two people who are treating you as pretty clear and are also currently trajectorying towards 1v1ing each other" is not like literally the best possible f3In post 4855, hellbooks wrote: ok i didnt actually have that many of those thoughts. just like vaguely gesturing at all of the people who are nightkilled and limmed and being like "ok then what the fuck was i doing with all that"
i guess fire is going to come up with some scenario in which scum hellbooks was like "ok yeah my best bet is to take these two people into the F3 and not literally anyone else"
and i can't think of any nightkill that you could have made at any point that would be better strategically than the ones that happened
they all seem pretty optimal to me-
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if it is hellbooks scum then i rescind my immediate reaction of calling isis a bad kill it's actually like the only kill you can make there-
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yeah the only alternative is to try to pin a kill on isis but you or me dying would be strange enough that i think people would want to really reassess and figure out why that happened
its also just like unnecessarily risky, idk why you would since you are also basically clearing her-
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i don't know if i necessarily have an internal thought language but i do have different thought processes and different levels of clarity when i am specifically putting things into words vs not
i usually find though that i am better able to recognize and understand and communicate my thoughts when im writing them down
but speaking is very different and things definitely don't translate there-
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