In post 56, Kopherald wrote: In post 47, Aneninen wrote: In post 43, Shadpearl wrote:
I'm actually appreciating Doomfeathers getting the game started and everyone talking.
![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile")
If we kill him, couldn't we wait for later?
If Doomfeathers is scum, Shadpearl is scum too, I guess.
Let's not forget that there is a SK in this game, so in reality, they both could be scum, but not on the same team.
So if your saying both are scum, I'm assuming your thinking along the lines of, possible team mates, one mafia, and one SK?
- Kop
What was the need in pointing this out?
In post 68, Kopherald wrote: In post 67, Lalendra wrote: In post 63, Kopherald wrote:Is vote parking on what is likely scum a superior strategy to actually scum hunting, though?
Its early and if this keeps up, Creature is obvscum but it's clear that pressure votes don't make him post as scum.
-Brass
Honestly it's less a pressure vote and more of a "this is the most likely scum for me as of right now" vote. Obviously I am still looking for scum, as it's
possible
Creature is town and there's another explanation - it's not likely though, based on my previous games with him. But I'm keeping my options open, which was the reason for the disclaimer with my vote. I don't want to speedlynch because if we do, we'll have less information to go off of (which is another likely reason he's not participating); I would have been more cautious with my vote if he was close to hammer but he's not.
This is good posting.
JaydragonKing wrote:Hey, I brought up the urge for someone to make an Avatar reference. You can atleast credit me for that.
This isn't great posting, but I did jump on the chance to make the Avatar joke. By the way, new theory maybe we are the air nomads? That being said, lots of people in this game are not doing anything yet.
-Brass
1)
States that
is making good posts, but doesn't elaborate why.
2)
States
post is not good, with no reason, and with nothing but useless fluff.
Their thought process and views of the game are vague here.
In post 80, Kopherald wrote: In post 79, doomfeathers wrote: In post 77, Kopherald wrote:
You hate all four wagons, but you don't comment on Anienen (Pigeonman). Please explain.
-Brass
I don't think there's any good reason to wagon him; he hasn't looked particularly scummy that I remember, and his votes were just leftover RVS. I can examine him if you wish.
No need. I just found that odd.
-Brass
Finds something
doomfeathers
said as odd, after possibly townreading them?
51 - He fence-sits about thinking of the realities of
doomfeathers
being town or scum, but makes little conclusion or stance after questioning him and talking to him here.
In post 222, Kopherald wrote:@profii, I wasn't saying we were going to find associatives with Creature if he was scum. I was saying that there are 3 other scum in the game that we need to find, and can lynch creature if he's going to be obvious based on his meta but still wait long enough to develop reads on other people.
I am also of the opinion that Creature is not Obvscum here. I have been told by several people with far more experience than I that this is his established meta on Mafiascum.
Also, I am also suspicious of Lalendra and have been since I realized she misrepped Creature.
I'm still on TGP though, I think now he's just upset probably because he'll insist I caught him "for the wrong reasons" or whatever scum caught early say.
FOS Lalendra
-Brass
1)
Isn't stating or referencing where
misrepped
.
2)
Despite saying
was making good posts, he FOS' her when her wagon was becoming prevalent.
3)
No vote? What is the purpose of this post? Just to point out a reason to suspect
?
In post 254, Kopherald wrote:I didn't realise A50 was so far in the voting counter.
I haven't ISO'd everybody since I last said I would, I've got a free weekend coming up, so hopefully I can go through them.
- Kop
This is bothersome; this sounds like an apathetic approach toward a discussion-driving wagon on
Almost50
. Also, there's no follow up on any ISOs here.
In post 357, Kopherald wrote: In post 195, TheGoldenParadox wrote:Here what I'm getting is a lot of people jumping on me at once, which seems extremely opportunistic.
Since this post, you've stated you hate this game, so I'm not really expecting a response. However, you've seen your wagon, and you think there is opportunism based on your wagon.
It would be nice for you to answer to the wagon, and actually pick apart your wagon, who do you feel is the opportunistic person on the wagon, and give us some thoughts, who do you think is possibly scum.
Because the more you leave it, the more I'm going to think this is caught scum and can't answer to it. The Brass head put the vote on you, from his previous experience with you, so I'm going off what he knows about you, but you aren't really convincing me that he (Brass) is wrong on this one. So up to now, I'm happy to keep the vote where it is.
- Kop
While it's good to sync with your hydra;
Kop
expresses no specific read on
TGP
himself, and he voteparks without looking at anyone else.
In post 363, Kopherald wrote:Right now, my lynchpool would be: TGP, Shad, Jay, Fitz, and Anen.
- Kop
This post is what makes
357 seem bad alongside it.
There are only 4 potential scum within this setup, and here Kop creates a lynchpool of 5 people WITHOUT any questions, discussion points, votes, or anything beyond the fact that he's satsfied with voting and lynching TGP.
I feel like Kopherald, early-game, was literally sitting around while finding reasons to suspect people. There's really no post up to this point that suggests he has a townread or reasoning behind one beyond the lynchpool.
In post 549, Kopherald wrote:Hi, it's me, Brass, and I am here to share my infinite wisdom with you.
In post 548, Shadpearl wrote:There are so many replacements. Is this normal for big games?
I'm on my phone so no walls from me.
I like the idea of keeping pressure, but is it really going to do anything? It seems like vote pushing just isn't working. There are too many divided players and too many people throwing away their votes. Idk quite what to do about this. Never had this problem before.
I think Almost50 is crazy, lol. Although, from the outside looking in, his posts are perfect because I can't make up my mind if he's terrible scum or the ballsiest townie I've ever seen
Sando, I'm just new and town. Sorry. Not more exciting. You are welcome to wagon me. If it gets the game moving, it's all good I suppose. I'd like to be town together though.
In my opinion, Sando is basically the only person I currently DON'T think is a possible killer. And profii, on the outside.
2 semi-discovered!
13 to go!
Last Note, continuously hopping from one vote to another is tiresome.
I don't like this post.
Infinite Wisdom has been expended. I'll be back eventually.
-Brass
Very flippant way of discrediting
Shadpearl
here; he shows no reasoning and deems that his post is one that holds insight but the only motive for this post was to paint
Shadpearl
in a anti-town light without logical thinking.
In post 565, Kopherald wrote: In post 564, JaydragonKing wrote:Jumped the gun there, Anen. Voting me for the joke vote on Almost seems like the weirdest reason to vote me.
He seems a bit weird in general.
Pigeonman would be an acceptable lynch from my viewpoint.
-Brass
1)
Notice how, despite his vote remaining on
;
Brass/Kop
are both pretty content with lynching 1/3rd of the playerlist?
2)
If
Kopherald
, or anyone, truly scumreads someone -
((I'm assuming
Kopherald
scumreads
here, because he's in the lynchpool))
- why is
Kopherald
not questioing
sentiment on
?
3)
No notable stated stance on his reads or mentality.
In the ISO,
Kop
had a less memorable post directed to
prior to this; and I don't quite know why
Kopherald
would make this statement?
In post 627, Kopherald wrote:Lynching one of the slots that left is the optimal play, both were being scum read pretty universally.
I still think TGP who asked to be replaced out 4 days ago, should be the lynch. For good measure, because I'm not positive we are voting.
VOTE: Paradox slot
-Brass
...This wasn't a new vote, but a revote.
Literally nothing has seemed to change about Kopherald's minimally-known read progression and discussion throughout D1, mostly reasoned out of activity, from what I've understood here.
In post 749, Kopherald wrote: In post 746, Taly wrote:Happy that
Jay's
gone, he didn't truly contribute to the game and it's funny to think that the SK took him out.
You're only happy to see Jay gone because of no contribution to the game? That's just strange, Taly. Strange indeed.
But, seeing as how my read of TGP was so damn bad yesterday, I am reevaluating all reads based on content throughout day 2, and hopefully Kop-head can overcome me-head's tendency to lead to mislynches.
-Brass
-_-...
Apparently, when I push/vote someone due to no contribution in the game, it's straight.
((Which isn't my whole reasoning, because
Kopherald's
minimizing my thought on
here))
But when
Kopherald
wants to lynch an inactive slot, it's not odd to him.
In post 864, Kopherald wrote:VOTE: Havingfitz
I just don't like this slot, I know he's been V/LA a lot on day one, but since he's come back, he's done very little.
His vote on Jimmy is based on that hammer, and very little else. He hasn't taken a much of a stance in the time he's been here, and it's giving me a gut feeling that he isn't town.
I played with him in another game when he was the SK, and he offered a lot more.
- Kop
Kopherald's
stating what most of the playerlist already thinking of
, and places a potential SK or scumread on him? I don't get the meta thinking here.
In post 982, Kopherald wrote:So, I'm looking and I know lurking is scum!Creature's meta for Day 1. Is anyone familiar with Creature meta well enough to know what Day 2 lurking means because I am not?
Tonight was date night for me and the fiance but I don't want to be prodded, so thoughts on recent activity without going too in depth because I want to go to bed soon.
I get the profii push, I could get behind it. I feel like the voting Texcat for being on wagons yesterday is out of character for him as well.
I still want to leave a full read of havingfitz for Kop to do when he returns, but, I definitely agree with LUV's
975 and
977 I don't have much experience here, but fitz is really just being a non factor in this game. I don't see him making any real reads, I don't see much activity from him. Also,
972 is super weird, like fitz is casing himself.
JimmyDisgustingName is absent, and I still do not see anything even resembling scum hunting from the slot, though, that seems to be because he hasn't posted in over 5 days. I don't know that this is AI, exactly, but this is not great.
I'm liking LUV, he has insight, he's pushing people, engaging in the limited discussions of the game.
The rest of you are still pretty cool. That being said, since I am the one here, and Kop is not.
VOTE: Profii since he pretty much says he'll only be useful if we vote him, I'd like him to put up or shut up.
-Brass
1)
Earlier in
Kopherald's
ISO, he states that
was most likely scum if he has little activity, but now, he's questioning
D2 meta? Again, no clarity with the reads.
2)
Talks about
being anti-town, but doesn't vote there or say anything to gauge for discussion revolving around that...
3)
Why is this one of the first semi-explained townreads coming from this slot? This is almost 1000 posts in.
4)
Votes
... to push him? I don't get what
"put up or shut up"
means, and I feel like this is a very mechanical response, I think
Kopherald's
wanting a wagon but he's not willing to hear
out? I don't get the purpose of this vote or his read here.
In post 988, Kopherald wrote:
In post 979, profii wrote:
3 - will re read tomorrow, not really bothered right now - I know I’m play a weird game and it rubs people up the wrong way so Dunno - I generally only start caring about people voting me when it is game losing
I now realize I misread the second quote here. My apologies for that.
VOTE: Jimmy
He needs to be hanged or replaced, if the mod checks the thread again.
-Brass
What? Literally, the next post is a vote-hop toward
just because
Kopherald
misread something on
? There were tons of reasons to suspect
at this point, and
Kopherald
jumps off his wagon the moment it seems like he could.
In post 1037, Kopherald wrote:#55 pretty much sheeped my vote on Shad. Never got into further detail beyond that.
#57 Tried to look busy by picking up on my misworded post
#82 He claims to be taking stances and making observations, before that post, I see very little observations or stances taken.
#499 A complete overreaction to my post towards Creature, and voted me without a valid reason for a vote.
#587 V/LA Over, catching up on ongoing games. #589 a question mark towards A50, but nothing more for almost nearly 200 posts.
#775 A vote on Jimmy for that hammer, town lean on Shad. That's it. Promised a read from the beginning, again nothing more for nearly 200 posts.
#948 He claims my read on him is based on previous meta. It's not just down to that.
#950 Yet another promise, nothing backed up.
#970 A empty question.
#976 If it's low, why aren't you prodding questions, engaging in the game, instead of sitting on the fence.
That is pretty much what I see from his ISO. Empty promises, lack of content, no stances, no engaging, no observations.
VOTE: Havingfitz
I am aware that he has been V/LA for quite some time, but in the times he has been on, and posting in here, he hasn't done a great deal.
Again,
Kopherald's
inconsistent on his views toward voting inactive players; other people voting based on lack of contribution is odd, but a lot of his reason for voting
, and now
havingfitz
is activity... followed by saying
havingfitz
has taken no stances, and saying that havingfitz was overreacting to a post.
Does productive town EVER look at a post and think:
"This person's overreacting."
based on a vote?
In post 1087, Kopherald wrote:So, again another push of us from Ausuka without an actual case.
You are all objectively playing poorly today. You're listening to this "gut case" from someone who has not created a single actual case, but does do a really dumb read list once in a while without any reasoning. Taly asked us to respond to this case, which is just absurd. And a case has been posted about Havingfitz and you all decide to ignore it and say "No, it's because he's been inactive." So, I beg of you, if the town still wants to win, stop being idiots and actually look and think. Yes, hold us responsible for what we have done during the game, but don't just go on gut reads on day fucking 3! Day 3 where we have not lynched a single scum. Try to think logically with your head for a few minutes. Most of all, try to make a goddamned case against someone ANYONE even us. Otherwise, this game is as lost for us as I think it is.
And by the way, if trying to work with the rest of the town to look for lynches is "actively opportunistic" then I'm always fucking "actively opportunistic". That's how you fucking play mafia, you try to develop reads and lynch them, sometimes you're wrong, and that's okay. But, at least we're trying and not just saying that it's a "gut read" and "anyone can see it if they look at the stuff I saw" even though you don't bother actually building a case. That's why I said yesterday that Ausuka was scum, and that's why I still believe it, but we have a case for fitz up and out in the open, so we are pursuing that and that alone today. But, you all follow the one who hasn't actually posted any analysis the whole game.
-Brass (probably for the last time)
The worst post in the game is here.
1)
Shades the playerlist saying we're all playing poorly.
2)
Demeans a case without really stating why they feel that way.
3)
THINKS IT'S ABSURD THAT I ASKED THEM A QUESTION.
Somehow, it's odd that I ask a question while he states we should all be trying to progress it to game solve?
4)
Seriously, this is the first time I heard
Kopherald
discuss
Ausuka
, and he's saying he thought she was scum since yesterday BECAUSE of her push on him? This is blatantly trying to derail a valid argument while feigning emotion.
5)
Refers to
Ausuka
as "the one who hasn't actually posted any analysis the whole game", which is false, because
Ausuka's
had more content in half of her posts than
Kopherald
has had most of the game... and then further iterates his "problem" with the playerlist by saying we're all following her.
In post 1090, Kopherald wrote: In post 1089, Ausuka wrote:Not to mention, I'm the only one even voting you.
I have no idea how a player who is actually reading the thread posts 1087.
And the rest of the game, you have been voting with zero analysis. Just making your read lists and voting.
I am saying today it's a gut read, but I have seen nothing in terms of actual thoughts coming from your slot. I don't care if today the flavor is gut reading or not, but you have shown no analysis.
If I'm still being unclear, the point is that you have not posted a thought process at any point in the game from what I can tell. I'm not saying you have only been voting your gut reads this whole game, but this is the first time I have seen any reasoning at all for your votes, and it's "gut says so"
-Brass
Honestly, I think
Ausuka's
completely right here.
Anyone who doesn't see what I'm meaning? ISO
Ausuka
, and watch as all of
Kopherald's
accusations and reasons crumble.
-_- Naked voted aren't inherently scummy, not without stated reasoning; and there's no assessment being provided here.
In post 1117, Kopherald wrote:Fitz is on 3 votes, Profii is on 3 votes, Fitz votes for the next vanity wagon to over take himself, Almost50 votes for Profii and puts him at L-1.
Why would Fitz vote for the next biggest wagon? Without a valid reason or any reason at all.
It's nothing but a survivalist vote. Scummy.
- Kop
Oh look, a reason 20 posts after.
In post 1309, Kopherald wrote:I've spoke with Brass a little bit over the past few days whilst we were waiting for day to come round. And we both said what was going to happen, and that it has happened. Scum have clearly seen there was suspicion aimed at us before the previous day ended, and have directed there kills to further strengthen that suspicion pointing to us.
We have also discussed a little bit, and both agreed scum is within Fitz/Ausuka and a outside chance of Texcat.
- Kop
Ugh...
1)
There's 2 scum in the game, not 3. No motivation to try and see who could be town in his little pool.
2)
Is this the first time he's ever mentioned
texcat
? Why does he think she's scum?
3)
Ignores my initial posts on him being scum, and states that he's being framed for kills, presumably after seeing my case... and says that scum is doing this... but continues to discuss that scum is within
Fitz/Ausuka
; people he's already scumread, and he's provided no insight into how hydra has agreed on them being scum.
In post 1317, Kopherald wrote:So, on the Taly case, I think lots of confirmation bias is going on. Taly truly believes we are scum, and any explanations we give to anything that is brought up has already been ignored to accentuate the conclusion.
Personally, that's why I'm not chomping at the bit to post here, it feels useless if people are just going to use something I've already spoken about with plenty of detail, like my lack of withdrawing the flavor leaf vote after his claim, to make a case and town's just going to follow the case. I've had my say, and people have shown a remarkable ability to ignore it and forget about it. I'm pretty sure this is an SK win at this point anyway because I think SK knows who the last scum is but scum doesn't know who the SK is.
I'll lay our vote down for Fitz here and move on because no matter how many times we post our case, it bending l becomes that we haven't posted a case on them and I'm tired of putting in efforts that are going to be ignored.
VOTE: Fitz
In post 1346, Kopherald wrote:1343 shows the confirmation bias I was talking about.
I mean, whatever we do just proves to Taly that we are scum. That's why I'm not going to waste my time responding to cases when he's clearly just under extreme confirmation bias. It's a pretty decent case if you only focus on the things he says and nothing else that we have said the entire game. Like, seriously Taly, fuck off. I'm not wasting my time responding to you when you have shown repeatedly that it won't matter. You made your point, you're wrong, I'm done with it. We'vce expanded on the havingfitz case weeks ago, I explained the no unvote for Flavour Leaf weeks ago. That's two points you have ignored, why should I put my time and energy into any other responses when my responses have already gone ignored?
No matter how many times I hit my head against a goddamned wall, my head is breaking before the wall, and that's what it feels like at this point.
-Brass
In post 1380, Kopherald wrote:1319 is also the first time fitz has really done ANYTHING resembling a read. Check his ISO.
He's now suspecting literally everyone without once making a case or a read before today.
-Brass
I already tore up these 3 posts.
1)
Kopherald
is dismissing me by saying I'm being misled and that I'm now stuck in 'conf-bias' against him.
2)
Kopherald
makes absolutely no attempts to clarify his reads on me, and anyone beyond
Fitz/Ausuka/texcat
3)
Despite me being so terribly wrong, he doesn't fight my case, and he doesn't try to tell me more about his perspective IF he thinks I'm town.
4)
Focusing a lot of his effort in havingfitz now...
5)
Tells me to fuck off; even though I'm actively trying to engage with him. He's just saying I'm wrong and that it's no big deal, but he's not helping anything at all if he's truly town.
... I don't understand how this COULD be town.
"Taly is going to be a hot mess all game and I am entertained" ~ Gammagooey