Open 722: Red Flag [Endgame]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.11

Creature (4):

callforjudgement 356, Fumuki 438, teacher 465, ceejayvinoya 496

ActionDan (1):

pisskop 24

TheBrie (2):

ActionDan 97, Killthestory 111

Killthestory (2):

Hiraki 103, Creature 328

Fumuki (1):

BlueBloodedToffee 147

Not voting (3):

Archwing, northsidestory 89, TheBrie 513

With 13 alive, it’s 7 to lynch. The Day One deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-29 20:23:59).

(the VC links are all misplaced -_-)

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[northsidestory]

i don't actually feel like creature has obvtowned yet but that would mean that he's putting in far more effort than usual as scum, i think. if he is scum, i'd think that almost certainly points to a scumteam that's aware of his meta and talked pregame specifically making a specific effort for him to try to subvert it.

[Fumuki]

i don't actually feel like creature has obvtowned yet but that would mean that he's putting in far more effort than usual as scum, i think. if he is scum, i'd think that almost certainly points to a scumteam that's aware of his meta and talked pregame specifically making a specific effort for him to try to subvert it.

Pretty much. Even more when in this setup you can actually kill your own teammates.

In a side note NSS, in a random guess, who would you say that's scum?

[Fumuki]

No wait, I don't think that is effort at all of Creature part. He can do that much by just reading the thread and going with the flow, town reading who isn't in the spotlight and sheeping. The problem here is assuming that Creature is someone that can't do even that much if asked/wanted to, and I just linked games where he did it as scum.

[northsidestory]

i think regardless of creature's alignment, creature's wagon would be something scum is afraid to hop on. it wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the scumteam discussed creature's meta prior to the start of the game.

VOTE: bbt
one of the worst votes so far, feel better here than any current wagons.

[teacher]

feel better here than any current wagons

Why not Brie? I know Im being silent and reading, but I found Fumuki's point compelling. Just curious why you dont.

[Fumuki]

i think regardless of creature's alignment, creature's wagon would be something scum is afraid to hop on. it wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the scumteam discussed creature's meta prior to the start of the game.

VOTE: bbt
one of the worst votes so far, feel better here than any current wagons.

I see, I'll not pest you to vote on creature...

yet

...

But NSS, your guess in at least 3 scum suspects?

[teacher]

Saying our and us when talking about the scum

The Our and us in the referenced quote are about the town, at least on my read. Why did you think they were referencing scum wincon?

[northsidestory]

In a side note NSS, in a random guess, who would you say that's scum?

{nss}
{kts, cfj}
{hiraki, fumuki}
{teacher, archwing}
{ceejay, pisskop, thebrie}
{actiondan, bbt}

[Fumuki]

In a side note NSS, in a random guess, who would you say that's scum?

{nss}
{kts, cfj}
{hiraki, fumuki}
{teacher, archwing}
{ceejay, pisskop, thebrie}
{actiondan, bbt}

what do you think that's so suspicious of bbt?

[northsidestory]

Northside townread is due to 21 and 30 being a bit sloppy for scum to post considering NSS's current vote at the time and that "?". Further posting is pretty bland though 46 was a correct observation at the time.

i'd like to hear your current read on me and why you were townreading me at this time. i'd expect anyone familiar with my meta to scumread me for bland posting, and you've called that kind of posting nai for me before.

[northsidestory]

what do you think that's so suspicious of bbt?

i'm going to make sure i can catch up fully tonight before i give in-depth explanations for everything. a few of my reads i'm not sure on.

[teacher]

So I am again re-evaluating, and doing this by re-reading ISOs in Alpha Order:

1. Action - I stand by 324,

townlean

. Hasnt come back since then except to promise (and not deliver) more activity. I dont hold weekend LA against people, as I will normally be in this boat. Thus, I will repeat 339 as well - please provide more views on more slots.

2. Archwing (vice wgeurtz) - Claims V/LA on entry. Provides creature and KTS town reads; fumuki scum based on tone.

null

due to lack of info;

scumlean

from PoE, not getting creature townread, nor fumuki tone?

3. BBT - Again, I stand by 324. Only two posts since then do not provide game-advancing content. Please detail the case on Fumuki (whether or not you still sus him).

null

due to lack of info;

scumlean

from PoE.

4. CFJ - As stated 464, has almost lock-towned himself with 463. Since my reads post 324, all subsequent content has scanned

town

.

5. Ceejay -- Like everyone else (CFJ, Fumuki, me), is looking for explanation from Kill. I also like the questions in 421 and 422, and the vote in 496.

Townlean

6. Creature -- Still not seeing game advancing content. Nor any answer to repeated questions from multiple players regarding 133. Vote of KTS 328 could be scum seeking to blend in on a wagon, 336 could be seen as seeking to accomplish its statement, 359 scumming Brie and KTS together strikes me as odd. Repeat statements (e.g., 458) of non-engagement is at the very best Bad!town, and more likely

scum

.

7. Fumuki -- I have sus'd him from the start. Even then, however, I noted advancing questions and genuine effort at game-solving. I like your early townread of CFJ 56, the analysis of CJ 95 186, the vote on Pisskop 206, the pressure on Kill for explanations 287. I really really really like 395 and 480. But my bottom line is that I genuinely do not understand this playstyle, and therefore am

null-town

.

*******

Real life rears its ugly head again. Kill is null; Id really like some explanations. Northside remains very slight townlean with low info. PK is in my scum PoE. Bottom line, in case this post is not clear, my current scummiest is creature, then Brie. Im holding the last two scum spots open for Kill (no explanations), Arch/BBT (low info), and possibly Fumuki (just not understanding).

[teacher]

SO my last was poorly concluded due to the rush of getting out. The bottom line is:
Reading scum: Brie, creature
Dissing from low activity and content: Arch, PK, BBT
Still open to, but view as less likely: North, Kill, Fumuki
Order within rows is intentional.

[Fumuki]

SO my last was poorly concluded due to the rush of getting out. The bottom line is:
Reading scum: Brie, creature
Dissing from low activity and content: Arch, PK, BBT
Still open to, but view as less likely: North, Kill, Fumuki
Order within rows is intentional.

Any opinions in CJ or Hiraki?

[Fumuki]

Ops, forget about CJ, you already commented about him before.

[teacher]

CJ in longer post. Didn’t get a chance to ISO Hiraki but pure gut was a slight townlean dating from the kill discussions in the 100s. On mobile.

[teacher]

Mobile Hiraki gets a

townlean

and is appropriately left of my lists in 563.

[Killthestory]

teachers entire analysis is bullshit

[Killthestory]

thebrie never pushes any scumreads this game and barely progresses any reads in a game solving manner. they flip their reads around when it suits them and don't have any intent to gamesolve.

obvwolf lmao

[teacher]

teachers entire analysis is bullshit

id day the same of yours, but still haven’t seen any.

[Killthestory]

i dont give a fuck what a wolf thinks.

[Fumuki]

I'm starting to think it's funny the KTS vs Thebrie + Teacher thing. Like, we know that they are probably not getting lynched today without a good case against them made but...KTS keeps screaming at them and it's getting entertaining...

[Fumuki]

In a side note, I would appreciate if KTS stopped yelling at teacher and said anything to my post about Creature since now I can't possibly understand if you think that there's not at least

the possibility

of Creature being scum.

[Killthestory]

if thebrie or me isnt lynched today im genuinely giving up on the game