Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

if every single person drixx asked to verify that from says "he doesnt vote unless hes sure of something", im going to fucking lol

primarily because i dont think that's what he was expecting people to answer with

[MathBlade]

You don’t do it until you’re 100% sure or damn near close to it.
Very rarely if ever do you use it for a reaction test.

Cool, thanks

VOTE: Drixx

*facepalm*

Nah seriously, I'm done with this bullshit. He's been offered MANY opportunities to lay out even the barest of reasoning for the vote on me, and utterly refused to do so. Multiple people are saying things along the lines of his vote meaning a strong read, yet he won't back it up.

Beyond that, you're demonstrating a distinct lack of understanding for the mechanics of this game, I'm unsure if you're muddying the water or can't be bothered reading, but I'm done playing, deadline looms and I don't want another Titus elected.

Yes I have asked some questions that Sakura teased me that were already asked in thread.

However that demonstrates that I am trying to piece this together and some of my questions helped us to get a leash and helped us to make sure town is a leader. I am fine if I am not chosen for leader or powers. However your overreach of “distinct lack of understanding or trying to muddy the waters” is false. I am trying to catch up on a hundred page game and still provide reads. If you expect perfection of a replacement do something else because when I am perfect I am scum.

Drixx is hunting just not how you or I would hunt.

[MathBlade]

you realise he wasn't calling you scum, right? and that his "im paranoid of you" thing was about as far away from an actual read as you could possibly have without explicitly just not mentioning someone

Again Drixx is wanting to see how I respond to that. Adding these qualifiers and hyperbole doesn’t change that.

[Sando]

Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what. I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this. By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

[Sando]

Yes I have asked some questions that Sakura teased me that were already asked in thread.

However that demonstrates that I am trying to piece this together and some of my questions helped us to get a leash and helped us to make sure town is a leader. I am fine if I am not chosen for leader or powers. However your overreach of “distinct lack of understanding or trying to muddy the waters” is false. I am trying to catch up on a hundred page game and still provide reads. If you expect perfection of a replacement do something else because when I am perfect I am scum.

Drixx is hunting just not how you or I would hunt.

You're trying to catch up on a game where 95% of the setup is in the first 3-4 posts of the game. Not knowing how the leader/hero-team works in at least a vague overview sense isn't a factor of struggling to catch up on 100+ pages, it's a factor of not reading the first couple of posts.

Drixx is current "hunting" by voting a townie and utterly refusing to provide reads...that's shit hunting by anyone's standard. The fact that town don't know he's currently voting town doesn't change the fact that it's utter shit.

[MathBlade]

Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what. I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this. By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

Absolutely not.

1) Brandi is claimed even caught up (similar to me) and hasn’t claimed a single read since my replace in as far as I remember. I see zero reason for Brandi to have a power.

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

3) My townread of Drixx scumreads you so there is no way in hell you’d be a leader pick.

I do not like how you are trying to take this away from Frozen Angel. We all agreed she is town and you didn’t speak up by midnight. If she picks you and Ank I would be disappointed but accept it and vote Ank.

[Ankamius]

Ok this discussion has to happen, this is stupid, but we have to do this. I'm nominating 2 people for leader for town to vote between, if you disagree on the 2 say so with you you'd replace with what. I'm saying 5 people for hero-team, again say who you want to replace, be aware you can't use more than 1 power per night when you decide this. By default your superhero team should include you leaders for protection sake.

Leaders:
Sando
Ankanimus

Superhero:
Sando
Ankanimus
Gamma
Hebichan
Brandi

Problem 1: You can't pick yourself as a teammate

[Sando]

People have until like midnight to say they hate the Frozen Angel leader choice if they do.

I hate the leader FA pick, it's unnecessarily dangerous.

Difference of 30 minutes on my count, fuck off with your "didn't say so by midnight".

[MathBlade]

Yes I have asked some questions that Sakura teased me that were already asked in thread.

However that demonstrates that I am trying to piece this together and some of my questions helped us to get a leash and helped us to make sure town is a leader. I am fine if I am not chosen for leader or powers. However your overreach of “distinct lack of understanding or trying to muddy the waters” is false. I am trying to catch up on a hundred page game and still provide reads. If you expect perfection of a replacement do something else because when I am perfect I am scum.

Drixx is hunting just not how you or I would hunt.

You're trying to catch up on a game where 95% of the setup is in the first 3-4 posts of the game. Not knowing how the leader/hero-team works in at least a vague overview sense isn't a factor of struggling to catch up on 100+ pages, it's a factor of not reading the first couple of posts.

Drixx is current "hunting" by voting a townie and utterly refusing to provide reads...that's shit hunting by anyone's standard. The fact that town don't know he's currently voting town doesn't change the fact that it's utter shit.

There is some setup stuff there yes.

However I have to also try to remember who said what when and then keep all of that shit in mind as I am responding to you and other things. I am human.

I have been attacked for not knowing FA called out who she gave powers to. For things that were asked mid day one. Yes one maybe two of my questions were there but I don’t have the advantage of starting from the beginning and adding on and trying to keep this in my head hurts.

And the more you rebel against what was agreed upon the more I think Drixx is onto something.

[Sando]

Problem 1: You can't pick yourself as a teammate

Hmmm? The superhero team is to leash Titus, not tomorrows leaders.

[MathBlade]

People have until like midnight to say they hate the Frozen Angel leader choice if they do.

I hate the leader FA pick, it's unnecessarily dangerous.

Difference of 30 minutes on my count, fuck off with your "didn't say so by midnight".

Yes the plan was changed to FA picks the leaders which you were fine with.

[Ankamius]

Oh, derp

[Frozen Angel]

I'm here reading everything I missed soon, just let me get my pills and stuff

[Sando]

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

[MathBlade]

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

The plan is 5 universal town for Titus to give powers to.

By definition that cannot be Gamma if Ank does not townread Gamma.

Wtf?

[Sando]

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

The plan is 5 universal town for Titus to give powers to.

By definition that cannot be Gamma if Ank does not townread Gamma.

Wtf?

EOD Titus nominates up to 5 people to have powers, those are the people in my list.

Tonight, we vote for a leader, those are the 2 people in my leader list.

The leader we vote tonight do absolutely fucking nothing as leaders until tomorrow EOD.

Ank SRing one of the people who gets on the superhero team tonight matters sweet fuck all, whether or not Ank becomes the leader, because it's Titus that nominates them.

[MathBlade]

2) Ank doesn’t trust Gamma so there is no way that is a universal read and if Ank votes Gamma there is no way in hell she doesn’t veto that pick

Congrats on not understanding what's going on...

The plan is 5 universal town for Titus to give powers to.

By definition that cannot be Gamma if Ank does not townread Gamma.

Wtf?

EOD Titus nominates up to 5 people to have powers, those are the people in my list.

Tonight, we vote for a leader, those are the 2 people in my leader list.

The leader we vote tonight do absolutely fucking nothing as leaders until tomorrow EOD.

Ank SRing one of the people who gets on the superhero team tonight matters sweet fuck all, whether or not Ank becomes the leader, because it's Titus that nominates them.

Yes. I wholeheartedly agree Titus nominates them.

Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

[MathBlade]

It’s immaterial that she was suggested as leader.

If it was FA and you the argument Gamma on that list would still be just as bad.

[Sando]

Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

That's the discussion I'm trying to generate...if you don't like my list, cool, make your own and progress the conversation. Just note that I'm avoiding people from FA's list since doubling up powers seems like a waste. I'm not totally sold on that, just...it's a thing.

[Sando]

We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Given Titus is largely SR'd, I feel we should give a list of 5. Scum!Titus given a list of less than 5 is going to very happily just give the remaining powers to their buddies.

[Ankamius]

Sando

Can you go into your townreads on Gamma and Hebi?

I don't really have an opinion of Hebichan either way, but Gamma's really bizarre push on me and then immediately dropping it was gross.

[MathBlade]

Gamma and Brandi are not townread and have zero business being on Titus’s list. We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Ank who is a universal townreads someone in that list so they don’t get powers period.
That’s how the plan is as was. It’s universal townreads get powers.

That's the discussion I'm trying to generate...if you don't like my list, cool, make your own and progress the conversation. Just note that I'm avoiding people from FA's list since doubling up powers seems like a waste. I'm not totally sold on that, just...it's a thing.

Why avoid the double up?

That only increases the odds of hitting scum if all were town to begin with.
Assume that we are in the 40% realm of possibility I mentioned before and there is no scum in who FA picked.

Yes those people may be hit more with likelihood of nightkill but they are more likely to be BP thus working out in our favor. And we started out on evens. A no kill night works for us not against us.

Now from that 40% assume FA and the 5 other people picked are town. Cerb is dead and confirmed town

Then we have out of 20 alive subtract 5. Then subtract 3 (assuming 4 scum) this means

12/20*11/20*10/20*9/20*8/20 << probability all are town if we don’t double up and that FA didn’t hit town before

Like it’s stupid

And my own list is FA Ank Drixx and myself. Not sure enough on a fifth so I would leave it off or find FA’s list and see if it jogs a good idea for a fifth.

[MathBlade]

We are supposed to give PRs to town or not at all.

Given Titus is largely SR'd, I feel we should give a list of 5. Scum!Titus given a list of less than 5 is going to very happily just give the remaining powers to their buddies.

And if she did that would be a scum claim all the same and would put her buddies if they ever claimed it. One or two is acceptable because then we also get a buddy and GG we win.

[Frozen Angel]

pardon me when I'm checking the 30 pages I must check!

I don't really feel like playing this anymore

Replace out

Wait what
I recall some sort of meta wrt Yume replace outs meaning something but I forget the exact rule

I remember her doing that as both alignments

[Frozen Angel]

Mylo I have a guilty on you, thoughts?

That's... not really possible lol.

first thought is this is a town reaction
but I might have something I want to check to back it up
were you in open 717 mylo?

No that was not a towny reaction at all. but meta might matter. Still, it was a pretty nervous reaction.