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Being liked is nice thoughIn post 50, Chara wrote:
this is true.In post 39, the worst wrote: I've also heard Chara is like really really towny as town fwiw
i'm giving Brawl my 10 and Deas's opening was super scum for no other reason than the "i want to be liked here" vibe.
And I want to make things fun because too often mafia gets super intense and serious and I don't want to be about that here!-
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I always find it a bit strange when someone disagrees with a townread on them.In post 55, Punreader wrote:No, not really. It's a fine starting point of discussion regardless of alignment.-
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The confidence in the fact that the reasoning is flawed is the strange part. Because if we have complete knowledge in what we would and wouldn't do as town vs. scum, and how we would and wouldn't act, then as mafia we'd be able to perfectly replicate how we would act as town, leaving the whole notion of scumhunting pointless.
But I'm getting carried away.
I think your response is fair. But I don't particularly like it from an alignment perspective.-
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I think you're probably town from your subsequent posting, don't worry.In post 64, Fire Assassin wrote:
Its neither.In post 54, DeasVail wrote:Fire, I am torn.
I don't know whether to interpret your opening as town wanting to get stuck into the game and promote a scumhunting vibe, or whether to interpret it as scum trying hard to look town by doing "work" when everyone else was just joking around.
I am not scumhunting for the first thing, I am townhunting. Which is focused on taking people out of the lynch pool and focus on ensuring that these people are highest degree of accuracy.
I also have an attitude of trying to always be "into" the game for when I get into games. So doing anything for appearances is not something I care about.
I don't like this analysis of "looking like doing work", but I have found I get this almost any game I play. So it can be town but is really lazy interpretations of actions.-
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I liked the way that he presented his thoughts in 62 and I like the combination of his in-game townhunting approach while also engaging in non-game related conversation.
Just initial thoughts for me and not a lock by any means, but I'm interested in why Espe would scumread him.-
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The indignant approach here was also pretty townie imoIn post 64, Fire Assassin wrote:Its neither.
I am not scumhunting for the first thing, I am townhunting. Which is focused on taking people out of the lynch pool and focus on ensuring that these people are highest degree of accuracy.-
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Hey Taly. My reads are still a work in process right now and so it's going to be a little while before I share general thoughts. If you have anything specific you'd like to ask me about though, I'd be very happy to answer.In post 80, Taly wrote:But yeah really, where's your head at?-
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I think it's time for me to be a little less passive in how I approach things here.
The game is not moving very fast, which I must admit the lazy part of me appreciates because there is not as much I need to read, but I also really don't have the reads on people that I'd want to have at this point in the game.
So I'm going to give my thoughts on various things and we'll see how that goes.
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I've lost interest somewhat in the discussion surrounding Punreader's claim. When it comes to role-related factors in determining their alignment, I think that will be better answered later. And while I was initially unsure of them based on their initial response to me, I am satisfied enough with their latest post to not really focus much more there right now.
I also have a question for MariaR and Dunnstral:
Do you believe that ActionDan's intention in pointing out 105 was to make Screenplay look bad?
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Players who I townread in some form:
Espeonage
Dunnstral
Punreader
Shoshin
Fire Assassin
Taly
Players who have either not posted enough for me to get a read, or what they have posted does not direct me in either alignment direction:
MariaR
ActionDan
Pine
ReubenWasFine
Chara
Screenplay
Vaxkiller
PenguinPower
NicoRobin
(too many people here!)
Players that I am becoming suspicious of include:
- TehBrawlGuy
I am not ready to share the specifics of my thoughts here yet, but I am concerned!
(Okay it only ended up being one person. Well there we go!)
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And The Worst is a special read in that I initially had him in the suspicious section and then in the town section and now I...
now I...
Meow!
Ugh sorry. Now I...
Meow meow meow meow!
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My reads are unrelated to the claims.
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Hey screenplay,In post 213, Srceenplay wrote:
DV opened the game feeling scumy. I’m not the only one to pick up on it either. Soon after their tone changes imo.In post 199, Taly wrote:In post 177, Srceenplay wrote:
So scum is
Deasvail
The worst
Dan/Shoshin
Sounds good.
:/ Can you explain? Because you got townreads in here, and you also got iffy people in here.
I don’t like it. They are trying to blend in more.
The worst. They had some interactions with someone on this list. Do remember what or who. (Maybe DV and Shoshin) It felt odd/fake. Maybe look back after my vacation. Also iirc the the last time the worst didn’t town read me he was scum.
Dan tried forcing a post of mine as a scum claim and Shoshin postering.
That’s all off of memory.
Why am I scum for starting the game off in a friendly manner and then later getting more serious?
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In regards to the whole pseudolynch thing, I’m actually not that big on the idea. I don’t know which approach is more pro-town but in a game day that has a different lynch mechanic, I think it’s kind of boring to try and make it a normal day of mafia. Let’s go with this interesting and suspenseful Day 1 mechanic imo!
Also I kind of like the idea of people doing their secret ballot thing and then being held accountable afterwards.
Buttt, if all you cool cats want to do things the traditional way I’ll play along I guess
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I guess my rationale is that the traditional voting and lynching style of mafia is going to be much more familiar to scum, and this they will be able to more comfortably navigate it.
Whereas the SUPP mechanic is a lot less familiar and so I think scum won’t be as confident in not getting caught out by it. I’m thinking about the long game here.-
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Just got back to Sydney from Lithgow for the weekend! (I don’t know where in Aus you’re from so this could be meaningless). And I have the long weekend off which is really niceIn post 230, the worst wrote:Sup DV?
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How do you expect people to respond to this?In post 232, Taly wrote:Before I get to replies, is ANYONE on the same page in this game?-
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Change of plan. The time is actually now! (Plans to do something else ended up falling through)
First, regarding TehBrawlGuy:
I still think he's scum. His posting since I last posted has not done anything to quell my suspicion.
This is the problem.
His posts are a particular style of sounding busy without actually offering much insight nor demonstrating much evidence of engagement with the goal of finding scum. (or finding town, or whatever a town-oriented goal in this game would be!)
His first two posts, 34 and 36 are joke posts, which is totally fine. I don't have any issue with these.
37 is the first questionable post, but still, not totally convincing of scum or anything. I'm not sure if town would necessarily have any reason to expect such a post to yield any actual results. So, itcouldbe a scum attempt at looking like they care when they actually don't. BUT, I could also see town possibly posting it anyway. So that by itself is not much.
60 is an example of sounding "helpful" without actually offering much of substance. I think it, as a post without much further thought on the game, is more likely to come from scum.
78 follows this theme, and I will get back to the "TehBrawl and the pseudolynch" saga later.
My biggest reason for suspecting him in the early stage of the game, however, was 142. And I agree with the point that ActionDan made in 154.
Taly asks TehBrawl where his head is at. He gives a vague noncomittal opinion on punreader which was the hot topic of the moment (not scummy in and of itself but certainly well within what I would expect from scum)In post 142, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
disagree that pun's claim should be viewed as towny - BP is a very easy falseclaim to make, especially conditional where nobody can shoot safely to check it. I still read him as Town on tone, but I think giving him townpoints for the claim is bad logic.In post 80, Taly wrote:2)TehBrawlGuy, where's your head at? D: You posted but I don't know what to conclude from it.
espeonage town tone
fire scums
maria town for 126/127
@dunn and espeonage: do you just need him to be higher/lower than an average, or a certain mark? because we as a town could give him all 0s or all 10s to guarantee one of you gets the power
And then a few reads.
Then he asks the above question of dunnstral and espe. And this question is really sus! It gives off the vibe of trying to be helpful and work things out, but is it really realistic for town to structure their voting around some conflicting power role thing. It's pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. But it's totally something scum would ask to look like they are TOWN and trying to HELP THE TOWN SUCCEED WOO!
The entire post gives me the impression of scum trying to look like they care, but I believe the content reveals a lack of actually caring about scumhunting/townhunting/the town succeeding.
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Brawl explains his reasons for promoting pseudolynches in 211, but it doesn't make all that much sense.
"I'd bet dollars to donuts Scum rank people weirdly to fuck with the numbers behind the scenes"
How can scum fuck with the numbers if they don't know what the numbers are? He mentions scum either trying to save a team-mate or save mislynch bait. But using both as reasons doesn't make sense either. If scum "fuck with the numbers" in order to save mislynch bait, then that puts themselves at greater risk.
I'm not totally against the pseudolynch idea, because sure, it'd work okay I guess. I just think it's boring and loses the potential of catching scum out by playing a game format that they are unfamiliar with. But TehBrawl's posts have a conspiracy theory vibe to them that I think comes from scum.
Not only this, but in 285, he implies that those who disagree with the pseudolynch idea are scum because pseudolynching is pro-town because he said so and isn't listening to what other people might have to say about it.
I also have an issue with him saying that PP's post means PP v Taly is not TvT. It only gives indication of PP's alignment, except in the case that PP is scum, in which case it may give insight into Taly's alignment. But that is not what TehBrawl is saying, he's saying that PP's post means one of PP/Taly is scum, which doesn't make sense! It's just empty "sounds helpful" posting that is what TehBrawl has been doing all game.-
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????In post 435, Fire Assassin wrote:How can I convince you all that Espeonage is scum and needs 0s?
Ill take a 0 if thats what it takes.
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With so many people in thread acting so indifferent to how the game day plays out, the fact that you at least appear to care quite a bit is enough for me to reconsider my read on you. I don't think you're explicitly a townread for me right now, because I do have ongoing concerns, but reading your more recent posts made it difficult for me to maintain my previous passion for scumreading you.-
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Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Chara's high placement (they're probably only a weak townread for me right now) and Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.In post 370, Punreader wrote:Pardon the mistake.
I forgot to bump Taly up a tier. Apologies.
ACTUAL list:
TOWNIE TENS:
Chara
EAGER EIGHTS:
Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan
SOLID SIXES:
Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage
FINICKY FIVES:
the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller
UNFORTUNATE FOURS:
NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine
IN-BETWEEN THREES:
Srceenplay
TERRIBLE TWOS:
TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower
ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:
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The reads list isn’t exactly the same as mine was but the general gist is similar. As for your questions though, not anymore (I have come to think you may be town) and yes.In post 471, Srceenplay wrote:
@dvIn post 467, DeasVail wrote:
Hi Punreader. This reads list was pretty similar to where I was at that point in the game. Main exceptions are Chara's high placement (they're probably only a weak townread for me right now) and Pine being so low. So I'd be pretty interested in explanations of those.In post 370, Punreader wrote:Pardon the mistake.
I forgot to bump Taly up a tier. Apologies.
ACTUAL list:
TOWNIE TENS:
Chara
EAGER EIGHTS:
Taly
Dunnstral
ActionDan
SOLID SIXES:
Shoshin
MariaR
Espeonage
FINICKY FIVES:
the worst
Fire Assassin
DeasVail
Vaxkiller
UNFORTUNATE FOURS:
NicoRobin
ReubenWasFine
IN-BETWEEN THREES:
Srceenplay
TERRIBLE TWOS:
TehBrawlGuy
PenguinPower
ZOMBIFY THESE ZEROES:
Pine/TwoInAMillion
So you agree with Nico, Reuben, fire, Espeonage all being higher than me?
You’re ok with being in the middle of the pack? I would assume a null read.
This feels like fake engagement to me but our are more than welcome to try and convince me otherwise.
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Okay I'm here!
While I would prefer not to be explicit about what points I will assign, because I don't want to give scum too much information going in to the ranking, I also believe that stuff like "make X's 10 a 0" would be more overpowered for scum than what is realistic in this set-up. Scum have a significant enough influence merely by being able to assign points. I do have plans as to how I will go about Day 2 in gaining as much information as I can out of the SUPP poll, but I'm not super confident in achieving scum deaths from the poll itself.In post 522, MariaR wrote:
this is exactly why I'm lying about my rankings as I said because of vote swappers etcIn post 516, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
where did you say any of this?In post 514, MariaR wrote:
Whoa It's like I said this yet only now people understandIn post 513, Espeonage wrote:That actually gives us a situation where dissonance is actually good for us.
Because if everyone has a solid mix other than some universal reads given 0s. We end up with it very likely those two die. I am however still worried about a vote swapper or set one players average to five.
:/ need to think.
I doubt they can just swap vote totals cause that's outright op but I do think scum have stuff like Make player X's 10 a 0 or 0 a 10 to mess with numbers
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The following people are some form of townread for me. No indication is made as to the strength of townread:
Taly
Punreader
Dunnstral
Nahdia
the worst
Shoshin
Chara
Screenplay
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Everyone else I either weakly suspect, am conflicted on, or is just not very remarkable at the moment.
No one really jumps out at me as a scum suspect right now, but honestly given the format of the day I'm kind of okay with that. Having someone in particular die is very difficult to achieve, and more difficult than in a regular game day. I believe there is a role for read-building Day 1, which is why I'm not passionately advocating an early end of day. However, I also believe that there will be great scumhunting potential on Day 2, regardless of who dies overnight., which is why I'm not totally against it.-
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The last couple of real-life days have been weird for me in terms of how I feel about this game.
I guess I'm kind of bored more than anything else.
I feel like I should be asking people questions in order to develop reads or whatnot, but I also feel like most stuff at the moment is not incredibly alignment-relevant.
My reads remain the same except TBG can probably go back to a weak town spot.
I'll just go back to meowing.
Meow! Meow meow meow!
MEOW MEOW MEOW!
Purrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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!!!!In post 757, the worst wrote:hmm as a vegetarian I can offer a lot of onions on this subject
I like certain meat dishes too much to give them up unfortunately.
I'm hopeless at cooking meat unless it's like spag bol or something so most of what I cook is vegetarian. (but also Indian and Italian food which is most of what I cook is more delicious when vegetarian so it kind of works out!)-
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I find that it's really tempting to take the game super seriously and sometimes I need to take a step back and just take a more relaxed approach to things.In post 763, Taly wrote:I'm slowly getting over my in-game frustration right now guys...-
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Spoiler: My Rankings
But I'm not really happy with these as a reflection of my reads, and I regret having Lovebird and NicoRobin so low, but obviously that's affected by having the information that they are town so idk.
Anyway, I want rankings from everyone and ideally a bit of insight into your thought process behind the rankings.
From re-reading overnight, I'm back to being suspicious of the worst. MariaR remains a pretty big suspect for me, along with Espeonage. I also don't reallllly know what to think of PenguinPower but my suspicion was scum.-
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I would like to know why Maria and Espeonage were so high on your listIn post 842, the worst wrote:OK w/e
10 - the worst
10 - Taly
10 - Chara
9 - Espeonage
8 - MariaR
7 - Nahdia
6 - TehBrawlGuy
6 - DeasVail
5 - Punreader
5 - PenguinPower
4 - Vaxkiller
4 - Pine
3 - Shoshin
2 - Dunnstral
1 - Fire Assassin
0 - Srceenplay
0 - ReubenWasFine
0 - NicoRobin-
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I think Dunn is town and his question is an example of that imoIn post 867, Fire Assassin wrote:Where were you?-
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The Worst, I find the timing of the 921 vote on Vaxkiller a bit strange. Do you believe that his posting up to that point was more likely to come from scum, and if so, why?
Again, I'm not really as convinced by Vax being scum from their posts as other people are? Do you have experience with vax that makes you think this?
Hi Shoshin. I had a townread on Espe early Day 1 (see 182, but by the time of 652, my townread had disappeared and I ranked him quite low on my rankings list due to considering everyone ranked above him more likely to be town. There wasn't anything that I considered "scummy" as such from Day 1. However, the main reasons for my vote on him Day 2 actually stemmed from his Day 2 posting. I felt that 832 was over-cautious for Espe. I feel like Espe-town in that scenario would just post his rankings if he wanted to, or not post his rankings yet if he didn't want to, but the question felt forced to me. I also didn't like 841 and I didn't like the pre-emptive answer in 853.In post 977, Shoshin wrote:DV called Esp town yesterday, right? I'd be curious to hear about where the townread came from and why he changed his mind, but otherwise the votes on Esp are fine. I haven't liked Esp's posting today and I don't mind seeing pressure there.
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I also don't understand people being confused about Fire not outing the guilty right away. I definitely feel it was valuable to receive everyone's rankings and be able to gauge responses to the beginning of the Espe wagon.
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It would be great to have more on this if possible. As in what about his posting led you to thinking scum. My main aim is to get more insight into your thought process, because I thought as I was reading Vax's posts that they were pretty town, but were the sort of posts that would be easy to latch onto (for either scum or town).In post 1038, DeasVail wrote:if so, why?-
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okay fair enough, sorry for being a bit pushy about it
Vax's posting Day 2 has been pretty all-over-the-place with much less awareness of the game, and much less self-awareness, than I would expect from scum, who generally have a higher than usual amount of both of those things. Stuff like getting mad about about how his strong townread Pine died is ridiculous, I agree, but town are often going to have a high opinion about their own reads and in some cases even believe that their reads should be magically adopted by the other players. So getting upset about someone shooting Pine is, I feel, more in line with how town are going to be thinking. Stuff like 920 and 922 again place a high amount of importance on their own opinions/predictions, even though, as TBG pointed out, the prediction itself was pretty vague.
This sort of stuff is possible to fake I guess, but difficult, and it was why I asked Taly about experience with Vax, because obviously if Vax is not usually like this then that would raise alarms.
However, my inclination from their posts was that they were probably town, yet the posting "looked bad" in a way such that it would be easy for people to jump onto it.
Regarding Maria's result, given the ambiguous nature of the result and my uncertainty as to Maria's alignment, I am not putting too much stock in that right now. However, it's more reason not to entertain a Vax lynch imo. I'm more just interested in people's responses to Vax's posting really.
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What does Dunn’s alignment have to do with this though?In post 1113, Espeonage wrote:
Ok. But I really don't think it is drilled in enough with the town that Dunn can't be scum. And I don't want bullshit side event stuff like the people pushing penguin for no reason.In post 1110, DeasVail wrote:Espe if you are town I will under 95% of circumstances lynch Fire day 3.
This is how Thor almost won jungle republic a few months ago.
If Fire is claiming a cop guilty on you, with no condition attached, then the implication is that he will be lynched if you are town. Fire should know this.
I am not completely closed to the possibility that you are both town but that would require weird mechanic stuff that is externally confirmed and really I doubt it.
PEdit: I don’t really want to speculate more about Maria’s claim at this stage. I want to lynch Espe-
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I completely agree based on play.
But Espe’s argument is that based on the roles, one of the 4 has to be scum, which is why Fire faked a cop guilty in order to buy an extra night.
But I don’t ageee with this argument. It could easily have been argued that all 4 were town and that it was just a self-balancing mechanic, just as it’s possible for there to be scum in the group, providing scum with incentive to influence rankings etc.-
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I don’t believe you v Fire was ever as big a thing as you’re claiming it wasIn post 1131, Espeonage wrote:Ok but look at the trajectory of the game. There was no real voice saying that we were all town until you just now. And me v Fire has been going since day 1.-
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Yeah probablyIn post 1224, Taly wrote:DV, with the recent pages, do you think it's more likely the entire group of 4 are all town? (Espe/Dunn/Fire/Vax)-
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