NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

Wahoo!
I love stalking threads at 12:30 in the morn.
Definatly better than sleep.

VOTE: gamma

Hello, I hope we can work together and get along! (I'm actually curious if I've ever actually PLAYED with Io or we've just modded for each other up to this point)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ugh why am I still awake

VOTE: Davesaz

I always vote him eventually so I may as well do it now.

*thinking*
This gut pings me from Umlaut

[Gamma Emerald]

1. What is your experience at Mafia?
2.What do you think is the optimal town strategy?
3.What do you think is the optimal scum strategy?
4. What are good ways to scumhunt?
5. What are bad ways to scumhunt?

1. Too many games too count.
2. think critically, don't let bias get in your way
3. manipulate whatever noise you can to block out proper signals.
4-5. IDK, I think there's infinite ways so I can't really give a good answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

5. What are bad ways to scumhunt?

5.

looking for bad logic

instead of bad motivations.

what do ya think if IOs vote on ya? Is it a joke or serious?

What is the logic behind it?

I think I found it

Good eye
VOTE: tictac

[Gamma Emerald]

If a player were to say they think meta is not a good scumhunting tool in my survey, then voted someone later on for the same reason, I would scumread them due to contradicting their earlier stated opinions. Also, people's reasons for answering questions and reactions to the posed survey can be AI as well. In one of my previous games, a scum player was the first to offer answers. In my experience, scum like doing things to gain towncred, such as being quick to answer my questions. In addition, a town player answering would help me understand their positions and general playstyle while also offering content to talk about. Overall, I find it is usually pretty good to have a RQS if you can get at least four responses from the other players.

just a word that I am a sucker for RQS, it's a dreadfully under-rated idea, I think in the right hands it can be a powerful weapon. I have a friend from another site who is good at using RQS, he doesn't play much anymore though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah we played together gamma, but I ended up replacing out. At least in the only one I remember us playing together. I did only play like 3 or 4 games though.

Yeah the only one was light_ganski's fire and ice

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh.

VOTE: Umulat

This is a good place to start. Your intro post reminds me how you started our last micro.

Yeah I'm gonna trust my gut
still voting tictac for now though

[Gamma Emerald]

i am very down for a policy lynch on this guy im not reading those posts

How are his posts hard to read? Just because they're written well? I don't see how that makes a post hard to read.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah we played together gamma, but I ended up replacing out. At least in the only one I remember us playing together. I did only play like 3 or 4 games though.

Yeah the only one was light_ganski's fire and ice

Oh there's also mini 1854
I think I replaced out of one and you replaced out of the other, lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Why did you vote for Malakittens Nosferatu? I looked through their ISO and saw nothing suspicious except their vote on Umlaut, which seemed pretty weak. Was it because of that?

I think Mala's Umlaut vote seems fair but that's because I also find Umlaut's behavior suspicious in the post she voted him for

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Mala's Umlaut vote seems fair but that's because I also find Umlaut's behavior suspicious in the post she voted him for

..........................his rvs post and only single post

So? Point is I think Mala's logic is fair

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Mala's Umlaut vote seems fair but that's because I also find Umlaut's behavior suspicious in the post she voted him for

so that's why you didn't vote with her?

I already posted I'd rather remain on tictac, pls read thread

[Gamma Emerald]

how many scum we agreeing on btw? I kinda assumed it was 3 but apparently this isn't a mini

3 is a decent amount to start with, I think I've seen more 3 scum 15ps than 4 scum 15ps

[Gamma Emerald]

Well for Lapsa I was mostly just observing him, not saying anything really. But his posts in general feel a tad scummy, admittedly it’s a very slight lean but could be bussing Mala.
119 is fencesitting, basically he’s saying that he could see both scum and town in then and jsut avoids taking a hard stance altogether

Sees that in who? I think you're reading the post wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

Annnnnd that was the post I thought you meant anyway. Try harder.

[Gamma Emerald]

Annnnnd that was the post I thought you meant anyway. Try harder.

This was meant to tell you to actually defend your point, not get flustered about referencing the wrong post.

[Gamma Emerald]

so u just go justified reason over gut cool to know

do I vote with this reason I think is good, nah fuck it: gut

Um what? This better be sarcasm, because if not you're mental. Why would I follow a gut read over a read that actually feels grounded in proper logic?

[Gamma Emerald]

Annnnnd that was the post I thought you meant anyway. Try harder.

This was meant to tell you to actually defend your point, not get flustered about referencing the wrong post.

Well I was going to say I didn’t think there was anything wrong with my point.
But I just looked at 114 again and realized you were talking about 2 different people there.
I thought the whole thing was about Mala.
So you just think its SvS?

No. I think Mala coming to that conclusion increases her odds of being town.

[Gamma Emerald]

@tictac I'd like to know why you were asking about logic the same post as saying logic is not as important as motivation

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through their ISO

twas this bit. I thougth "it's mala, so that's max of 2 posts. What an exaggeration". On checking there's actually some posts there so nm.

@gamma
"bad logic is not a scumtell"
"logic is useless for all things"
2 different statements, only one of which I endorse.

@dave I think I've done AI things? Keep looking I guess.

Meh okay. I think your explanation is fair.
VOTE: Umlaut

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you mean by that Io? You said in 130 that you thought Lapsa was scum because they might be bussing Mala. That doesn't indicate you believe scum never vote for their allies.

I've noticed something.

It seems whenever I try to make jokes, people take them seriously no matter how obviously contradictory the statement is.

Perhaps I should just stop with that.

I got it

[Gamma Emerald]

Scioness Sajj replaces Killthestory; searching for a replacement for ManWithNoName

Hello

[Gamma Emerald]

An explanation of why I suspect Umlaut (now Saudade):
So my first game with Umlaut I recall someone making a similar RVS vote. I don't recall the alignment of that person (my first thought is that they were probably town) but I do recall someone somewhere saying that sort of reasoning for an RVS vote is scummy.
I'm explaining this not so much to convince anyone as of yet, but more to open the discussion to where if I'm wrong, people can refute me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I looked through their ISO

twas this bit. I thougth "it's mala, so that's max of 2 posts. What an exaggeration". On checking there's actually some posts there so nm.

@gamma
"bad logic is not a scumtell"
"logic is useless for all things"
2 different statements, only one of which I endorse.

@dave I think I've done AI things? Keep looking I guess.

Meh okay. I think your explanation is fair.
VOTE: Umlaut

I'm starting to get used to you voting me every game

Keep in mind it's not anything you did

[Gamma Emerald]

You underestimate my lazy levels

I guess read Io and Nosferatu if you haven't yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Wish Gamma would post some more he's the easiest person to townread ever

I'll say that I like your CT read, not sure if I'm 100% with you but I see what you're saying

[Gamma Emerald]

res

who is scum?

oh wait you are a mod

lol
btw UNVOTE: Saudade definitely feels towny so far

[Gamma Emerald]

how many scum we agreeing on btw? I kinda assumed it was 3 but apparently this isn't a mini

3 is a decent amount to start with, I think I've seen more 3 scum 15ps than 4 scum 15ps

ok so, i'm here and this is really important to me right now because this is my first non newbie game and i had even asked the host where the setup is before subbing in. So the roles are basically 15 Any Alignments?? of course balanced. and it's just town and mafia right? i am on my phone now but i think I recall seeing that on the setup wiki was only red and green colors. Are there neutral or cult roles on this website? do they exist in this setup?

I'll try to give a basic breakdown of what a normal game is. A normal game is (for the most part) a closed setup (so only basic things like the existence of a town and mafia side are known) with specific rules as to what may or may not be included. When it comes to alignments, normals can have only town, mafia, and serial killer. Serial killer can only appear in larges (it wasn't always like this but new changes made it this way). The can be two mafia factions as well, but that's also exclusive to larges. Sine this is 15 players, this is a large, and as such could include a serial killer or second mafia faction (I say or because both would probably be a nightmare to balance). As for "how many mafia", the basic formula is this: take the amount of player slots in the game, divide it by 4, and that's ABOUT what to expect for the amount of mafia if there's one mafia team. So 15/4=3.75, but in practice I've seen a lot more 3 mafia setups than 4 mafia setups when it comes to 15 player games.

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain how you were able to logic my post? When I basically made one comment, but didn't go into much detail. Did you ever go back and reference the micro I was talking about? This is things that pings the crap out of me.

I didn't go back and look at the micro but I had my own gut feeling that lined up with what you were saying so I felt you're reasoning was solid.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah okay you do explain why you voted Umlat here. I think it's bothersome that you are basically sheeping my reasons on voting for Umlat.

I posted that I found it scummy first, so not really a sheep?

[Gamma Emerald]

An explanation of why I suspect Umlaut (now Saudade):
So my first game with Umlaut I recall someone making a similar RVS vote. I don't recall the alignment of that person (my first thought is that they were probably town) but I do recall someone somewhere saying that sort of reasoning for an RVS vote is scummy.
I'm explaining this not so much to convince anyone as of yet, but more to open the discussion to where if I'm wrong, people can refute me.

Ah okay you do explain why you voted Umlat here. I think it's bothersome that you are basically sheeping my reasons on voting for Umlat.

....uhhhh he's doing that because he can't give substance to that read on its own
192 is the most vague paragraph sentence ever


this is what happens when you let 1 post wagons be a thing lol

I think you've gone past "perceiving my content as scummy" into "trying to perceive it as scummy"
What the fuck do you mean I can't give substance to the read myself? And how is that vague? I'm pretty sure...

[Gamma Emerald]

yikes io im amazed you typed some of that with a clear head

what does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

pedit cause to me gamma, u still scum read a rvs vote lol

and i remember u acting way different in touhou i think

And why is scumreading something in RVS a bad idea? Recall I busted Brian's ass in Touhou for something that was frankly quite flimsy. So honestly I'm just running with the same general gameplan I did there.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the Nosfu read was from early in the day, I've just been watching him closely and flipping a lot on what I think about his.
About half his posts ping me as scum, but then the other half are just townslips.

explain?
Also I'm thinking about changing my avatar but your current avatar is putting that to a bit of a halt
I'll probably change it today anyway, but it hurts

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the Nosfu read was from early in the day, I've just been watching him closely and flipping a lot on what I think about his.
About half his posts ping me as scum, but then the other half are just townslips.

explain?
Also I'm thinking about changing my avatar but your current avatar is putting that to a bit of a halt
I'll probably change it today anyway, but it hurts

I didn't actually see your avatar before I changed mine.

Also I don't like when people ask questions without reading literally 2 posts up.
It's rather annoying and I'm not going to waste my time just quoting my own posts I already made about Nosfu.

what do you mean by half his posts being townslips

[Gamma Emerald]

can we please not lynch CT?

that lapsa vote is towny af imo

explain how this works as a townslip?

[Gamma Emerald]

>No comments on my posts
>calls me scum
wanna try that again? tbh that also goes for lapsa but he didn't post a bunch of quote responses

[Gamma Emerald]

ya unvoted too easy. from dumbness of orig vote was expecting an argument with a brickwall. I don't think it was real.
+ huge setup-spec post when ya posting light posts otherwise.

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid. As for the setup spec I went into teacher mode, step off.

[Gamma Emerald]

see ok its not that itself its that it more read to me like u were trying to make umlaut post and ur push more than what it was without trying to be accountable ror it?
at the time when you weren't voting with mala i didn't exactly see your tic tac vote as something you were actually pushing(i thought it was a joke at first)
it looked like something to do in place of voting the obvious mislynch but still being like "oh yeah that is scummy"

the post where you were like "well over in THIS game someone said this and it was like that and umlaut was scum" was looking hella reachy i mean this might be what ur talking about when u said im perceiving ur content as scummy but that was lookin bad


also the biggest part of touhou i remember was ur tone was dif and u put a mf bullet in my ass but i guess i should cross reference that cause im reading big on tone rn for people i (somewhat) know cause i dont know most of this player list

I can see how that would look that way. As for my logic being reachy, I agree with you, but again, reachy logic can work.
And yeah, prolly shoulda thought about my damn shot more but w/e

[Gamma Emerald]

explain how this works as a townslip?

first off its not a townslip its just a towny vote

just read it and tell me you think scum makes it.

yeah Io explained it p well

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure that’s the definition of WK.

i guess you've never seen twitch mods for irl streamers

I can’t even be mad at that.

ok what

[Gamma Emerald]

ya unvoted too easy. from dumbness of orig vote was expecting an argument with a brickwall. I don't think it was real.
+ huge setup-spec post when ya posting light posts otherwise.

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid. As for the setup spec I went into teacher mode, step off.

and you are succeeding. dave did a great job

So I'm improving? You kinda obfuscated what you were saying.

[Gamma Emerald]

do you own a enter key

yes he does
maybe it would be easier if he double spaced?

[Gamma Emerald]

im actually a specialist in tunneling people like ct right into a green flip

and i flipped on all of my townreads last game when i shouldnt have so good luck getting me to do it this one

genuinely naive play is how i summarize it best. it reads as plastic sometimes, i usually read that type of shit as artificial

but its basically just playstyle and it can skew ur read in a lot of ways if you tunnel what essentially amounts to nai shit (which is something i need to work on)

not even that, hes dumbtold like 3 times



i dont really know what to make of you pushing it with such confidence but your posts amuse me lol

not lynch
---------------
laps
nos
akarin
ct


would lynch gamma or scioness atm

look to my pushes or votes if you want to see who i care to lynch but generally im being pretty dynamic
if people i didnt mention, its for a reason. or lack of one

we shouldnt have a long and unwieldy day one and that means it shouldnt be spent pushing on town

this post reminded me scioness was in the game
where you at Scioness?

[Gamma Emerald]

seriously - let's lynch Gamma. I know dude is certainly capable of playing this game better

#77 - shitty reason for a vote

An explanation of why I suspect Umlaut (now Saudade):
So my first game with Umlaut I recall someone making a similar RVS vote. I don't recall the alignment of that person (my first thought is that they were probably town) but I do recall someone somewhere saying that sort of reasoning for an RVS vote is scummy.
I'm explaining this not so much to convince anyone as of yet, but more to open the discussion to where if I'm wrong, people can refute me.

^ I don't recall yet someone somewhere recalls someone making similar RVS vote and I'm not trying to convince anyone. Please refute me.

and that's that. there is no content whatsoever

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

You just called your own logic shitty, gj
as for the read explanation I recalled SOME things from that other game. I don't want to have to go back because it was an old game and it would take a little bit. As for wanting to be refuted, I didn't WANT it, I just wanted to leave the possibility open because I'm not egotistical enough to think I'm always right.
And here comes the classic bullshit line of "gamma isn't posting any content". You can fuck off with that.

[Gamma Emerald]

vote:gamma emerald

choo choo

VOTE: pox7
has not explained a single vote this game, this ends now

[Gamma Emerald]

like the reasoning is self evident
it's a sheep

all of his votes are transparently policy or sheep

ok cool
still think it's not town

[Gamma Emerald]

He hasn't participated at all in discussion

[Gamma Emerald]

did you really think lapsa wasnt being jokey in 77 gamma

I thought it was serious yeah

[Gamma Emerald]

vote:garmr

vote:completelytrustworthy

dont want to read his posts

By the way, can you respond to my questions Io? So far, few people have given genuine responses, I need for people to answer in order for the RQS to have been worthwhile.

ur questions r shit and pointless

goddamn u live up to that pfp

was this directed at me

i am very down for a policy lynch on this guy im not reading those posts

i am very down for a policy lynch on this guy im not reading those posts

Kinda think it’s too early to play the policy card. Do you have anything more substantial to offer?

nope

my bad dudes

can we just lynch someone

vote:nosferatu

lame

vote:gamma emerald

choo choo

his whole ISO
sheep votes, playstyle bashing, and one-liners is all I see

[Gamma Emerald]

are you implying that popo is the only person here to not have contributed to discussion?

no
but he's definitely the greatest offender

[Gamma Emerald]

Buut, this read used to be "gut", and I really don't see what changed to give it reasoning.

It's a gut feeling
but there's a reason why I have that gut feeling
hopefully that makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm unpacking this since I don't think Lapsa is going to. I think it's meant to be sarcastic.
People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from.
That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

Thanks. I mean, I'm not "trying to be smarter", I'm trying to recognize when I'm being senseless. The rest, okay, so Lapsa thinks I have an informed POV...why? I don't see the connector there.

[Gamma Emerald]

I dunno, I’m inclined to think Scioness isn’t scum atm just because of how little resistance their wagon has right now.
Like it went from no one saying anything to everyone agreeing they aren’t doing anything and a good lynch.

What Scioness wagon tho
Real talk, I’m hoping Scioness comes out to play if town because I recall her being at least decent in our last game

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm trying to recognize when I'm being senseless.

Point is that is a really hard thing to do

The rest, okay, so Lapsa thinks I have an informed POV...why?

Well, really, I do. I think Laps agrees, but can't be certain.
He pushed ya from a weird angle, I think, but may be a difference in how we read.

Ok
Could you explain what you mean by weird angle after Lapsa levels that out with you? (Or during that too)

[Gamma Emerald]

has not explained a single vote this game, this ends now

what an asinine vote

like the reasoning is self evident
it's a sheep

all of his votes are transparently policy or sheep

ok cool
still think it's not town

ok why

cause its not cause its not explained, which is literally why you voted.

so what is now the reason you think he's scum

He hasn't participated at all in discussion

It's like Gamma realized his vote on one of the people jumping on his wagon looked like a weirdly timed pressure vote and he had to turn it into a real read.

Yeah no it was always a real read. I just mixed up what I was trying to convey with my initial post.

ok actually...upon examining post 192 by gamma and looking further into gamma's iso, it makes sense and is up to snuff.
UNVOTE:
i don't think it is coming from a scum perspective, BUT i still do think scumhunting from rvs posts is dumb.

Why are RVS scumreads bad to you? I think it is fair as long as you don’t tunnel (this comes from a very bad experience with such occurrences)

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh lol I thought Akarin was going after me

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if Scioness is scum, are the partners going to come out with some big defense right now? Based on what?

they would probably say some shit like "wait why are we lynching scioness, I didn't see any reasoning its really sudden"

oh wait

Coming off a scumgame yeah that’s a typical response to a partner wagon
Forces out an explanation, allows for maximum pivoting to defense or bussing afterward

[Gamma Emerald]

vote:dave

i agree with akarin

Idk about this
It reduces the number of people on my wagon
But also goes after someone who called him out
So like it follows one strategy but mucks up another if scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi Mr. Taking Posts Out Of Context
Maybe you wanna read the full post? Or does that inconvenience your agenda?

[Gamma Emerald]

You know, what, I don’t need what seems to be blatant disrespect.

replace out

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure. Let’s start with not disrespecting attempts at self-improvement. If you think I’m lying say it, but don’t couch it in sarcasm.

[Gamma Emerald]

OK. Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m asking what makes you think I’m lying.

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool, nice to know you’re not going to actually try explain anything.

pedit:

Yeah uh 546 is completely taken out of context there.

see?

wtf is this btw?
Yeah all I’m getting from you is that you’re trying to cut me down, not actually help me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh my god you’re fucking stupid.
IO WAS AGREEING WITH ME YOU FUCK
As for helping me, I’m trying to be genuine here and all I’m that you’re responding with is complete bone-headedness and downright refusal to help. If you think there’s a sliver of a chance I might be Town, actually fucking level with me here rather than continue to be an obnoxious pompous douche.

[Gamma Emerald]

No screw you. I’m staying in and I don’t think you’re Town after all this. If you are, then you’re officially a shitty person.
VOTE: Lapsa

[Gamma Emerald]

Cool
Have fun explaining why you took 2 posts out of context and bent them to your agenda
Scumfuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Here comes the backpedal!
Why didn’t you admit you were wrong while I was trying to work with you? I think you just BSed that logic. And even if that one was rushed now you have to address the fact that I’m not the only one saying the original thing was taken out of context.

[Gamma Emerald]

as for #547:

I'm suspecting that you are thinking way too much about derailing your wagon

by very definition - slips must be out of context

You just called your own logic shitty, gj

did I vote?

Already explained this to someone else: wasn’t aware you weren’t serious.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not what you took out of context you fucking snake! It’s just lies, lies, and more BULLSHIT from you all the time!
To answer the question, not at all, because even if you weren’t serious it was worth pressing.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma Emerald

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on tictac?

Probably a 3: it had mild use but was ill-founded

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s dodging the main issue at hand: you misrepresenting me by taking my post out of context.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait something just clicked: are you seeing my post 77 as taking YOUR post out of context?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait something just clicked: are you seeing my post 77 as taking YOUR post out of context?

no I am not

please continue reticulating splines

> I try to bridge a misunderstanding
> You respond with gibberish I can only take as rudeness
At this point regardless of alignment you’re a major douchebag.
And about the previous post, for fucks sake I thought you were being serious when I posted 77, you can’t be this obtuse.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually looked that up, no matter how I break what you said down it still doesn’t make sense in any applicable manner, so you’re just being a dick.

[Gamma Emerald]

regardless of

(Lapsa's)

alignment

you are in front-seats, voting, swearing yet still

indecisive

on a scale from 0 to 10

how would you assess your push on Lapsa?

Nope, just making a point

[Gamma Emerald]

If he were just pushing me, I’d consider that, but he also twisting everything he can get his hands on.

[Gamma Emerald]

@tictac:
551/553: what are you saying is too awesome to be reality? If you’re saying I should be

glad

Lapsa distrusts my desire for self-improvement, you’re way off. Why would I be glad someone thinks I’m not trying to get better? Being called a liar for doing something good should NEVER be something to be proud of.
Next group of posts: That’s actually fair regarding him wanting me lynched in particular.
579: He’d seemed kinda stubborn/authoritative in the past but I never got a sense of rudeness from him before.

[Gamma Emerald]

WRT the reasoned gut read, yeah that IS uncommon. But being unprecedented shouldn’t make something a red flag.

[Gamma Emerald]

So you’re saying the fact I seem to be a master already looks suspicious? That makes sense, but keep in mind you don’t have the full picture, I didn’t just go “hey I should fix this” for this game, I’ve been dealing with it for a while.

[Gamma Emerald]

Being called a liar for doing something good should NEVER be something to be proud of.

that's some PRESCHOOL stuff

What the fuck does THAT mean? Part of the reason you’re cheesing me off is your inability to say something straight.

[Gamma Emerald]

About what

[Gamma Emerald]

You don’t even know what you’re confused about? :fry:

[Gamma Emerald]

Because even if you don’t you can say “everything”. As I see it you’re just continuing to be a snake.

[Gamma Emerald]

I may have mentioned this already, but outside of the awkwardness, it's rather funny that anyone read anything into Umlaut's vote because it was clearly a RVS joke about how Umlaut (and almost everyone else) ends up voting mislynchbait me at some point.

This actually is a decent point. I’d ask Umlaut about this but he’s not here so I’ll give him botd here

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut reads are not at all like that. Comments on this from others please?

i guess what gamma means is that the rvs vote itself isn't really that ai but he feels it's more likely coming from scum

no
the RVS vote felt AI and I had a reason for it, but I had a gut "this looks wrong" feeling, rather than actually feeling like it was logical.
Maybe I should just use illogical in place of gut from now on
...
Wait what. What the fuck am I, Spock? (fyi I think the idea is fine I just wanted to make that joke)

[Gamma Emerald]

By definition all reasons are bad given I'm town.

TBH I don't even know if you've given a reason. I'm going to work. You can do us all a favor by enlightening me and the thread, or you can be an ass and make me look it up when I'm not working.
Guess which one I'm betting on.

Why would you say he has bad reasons then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I said it was illogical, didn't I?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm at the levelest my head has been since this kerfuffle started so while I'm good I'll try to work on my other reads (fyi I already have tictac as town and saudade as townlean, plus maybe some subconscious reads)

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh lol I thought Akarin was going after me

I mean, I did think that section was quite scummy and I'm definitely considering you a good lynch, but my Dave read is stronger and more interesting to push I think. Plus some of the votes on you have been weird. *cough* tictac *cough*

Actually tictac’s push makes a lot of sense to me
As for my “dramatic improvement” that’s an overstatement firstly and secondly it was me not continuing to push something when I had been presented with a decent counter to my thinking.

[Gamma Emerald]

Reading 468 was quite discomforting to me. First Tictac started out by saying that Gamma might be scum due to having an informed POV, but that was because Gamma was acting differently than usual and breaking their meta read. Any player has a general knowledge of their own meta and can change it, so I don't see what the problem is. Then they went on say another post looked towny, but could have been made by scum, ending that section with no conclusion. Afterwards there were a few comments on posts, but several were completely irrelevant to the game and the only two that contained actual content involved agreeing with other's points. I feel like that post has little substance despite being relatively long.

you could really benefit from shortening your posts.

but i agree, tictac has been mostly talking around, there was only that early nonsense read on lapsa and a vote on me just now.

Lolwut
Tictac has also been on me

[Gamma Emerald]

No one voting Malakitty anymore
this game might be redeemed

I’d prefer Mala, Ct, Lapsa
Also wouldn’t be opposed to a Hugo, popo, Dave, or Scion lynch as I don’t have any hard reads on them.
Absolutely not lynching Gamma, Tictac, akarin, saudade, nosfu, or purr though.

That being said I’ll go vote for Lapsa until I’m convinced lynching out of Mala, CT, Lapsa is a better option.

VOTE: Lapsa

you see you say you want mala with the same breath you want lapsa
how about you switch

Err what? Thought you were townreading Mala.

[Gamma Emerald]

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid.

People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from. That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

wat?

It's unbelievable that a person aware of their weaknesses could improve on them, unless they are scum?

Like how does knowing who town is even relate to making less stupid pushes? Do we have some evidence that they're more accurate? Would you expect more accurate pushes from scum?

another example of tictac commenting for the sake of commenting. nice it was brought up

Yeah no wtf? He was explaining how he perceived me. I recall Scion being scumread last game together, but not being wrong like this. Scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lapsa is a good liability lynch
so is pox7
but do we waste our d1 ml on a liability lynch??
noooo

we lynch CT and get scum and win the game some days later too

How is Lapsa a liability

[Gamma Emerald]

re Gamma:
yeah they joined rising wagon, while still facesitting on their read on you, unless it came later i don't remember when they joined

No, tictac hasn’t fencesit reading me at all? They’re clearly scumreading me.

[Gamma Emerald]

honestly i havent read this game at all

maybe i will put some effort in day 1 but its not likely

so either deal with it or lynch me

#nocap

will you start playing d2? because i find it unlikely since you are not even following right now

i am playing

Whatever you say
PEdit: how are you not a liability, you haven’t shown a shred of critical thought this game. I think that makes you more likely scum anyway but to anyone who sees you as town you’re a liability.

[Gamma Emerald]

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid.

People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from. That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

wat?

It's unbelievable that a person aware of their weaknesses could improve on them, unless they are scum?

Like how does knowing who town is even relate to making less stupid pushes? Do we have some evidence that they're more accurate? Would you expect more accurate pushes from scum?

another example of tictac commenting for the sake of commenting. nice it was brought up

Yeah no wtf? He was explaining how he perceived me. I recall Scion being scumread last game together, but not being wrong like this. Scummy.

come on Gamma
how is his opinion on you as a player a game advancing content?

Uhhh he’s explaining how I look scummy, not giving his opinion of me as a player. I can see how this got mixed up but you’re still wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

I do remember that but he hasn’t remained wishy-washy

[Gamma Emerald]

No one voting Malakitty anymore
this game might be redeemed

I’d prefer Mala, Ct, Lapsa
Also wouldn’t be opposed to a Hugo, popo, Dave, or Scion lynch as I don’t have any hard reads on them.
Absolutely not lynching Gamma, Tictac, akarin, saudade, nosfu, or purr though.

That being said I’ll go vote for Lapsa until I’m convinced lynching out of Mala, CT, Lapsa is a better option.

VOTE: Lapsa

you see you say you want mala with the same breath you want lapsa
how about you switch

Err what? Thought you were townreading Mala.

I am townreading mala
reread my post again, i want him to switch from mala to CT not the opposite

Well you didn’t mention CT in your post, but I see what you mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Purr's posts give me anxiety

Explain if you could please.

[Gamma Emerald]

She posts with a lot of emotion

I think that is a fair statement

[Gamma Emerald]

No one called it overly emotional wtf

[Gamma Emerald]

And not always in tune with what is going on.

Also don’t agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

You sometimes break into caps tho
And Maria is in this game what?

[Gamma Emerald]

You sometimes break into caps tho
And Maria is in this game what?

@purr

[Gamma Emerald]

So starting my reads off easy, Hugo feels towny, especially 258, the vote makes sense in reaction to the difficulty reading, as CT’s posts always have some length to them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I don't like the waffling and fencesitting in post 601, good catch Dave.

With Akarin I have things I want to talk about.

I liked lapsa delay in voting me. Like he considered it for some time without doig first. Shows thoufht.

"Like" like makes them more likely town or just like in terms of thinking being something you like to see in people?

more likely to be town

Okay, why?

I think this is a bit peculiar from Akarin, these questions feel superfluous.

they have been doing this all game so far. I don’t really have a read on them because the lack of content from both slots. I just refuse to be on a wagon with them until they either start playing correctly or gtfo

Isn't this basically a refusal to be on the lynch wagon? Because really, what are the chances neither Lapsa nor popopo are on the final wagon at some point?

This is a reasonable point and a smart observation. I like it.

I generally am a brickwall, but I'm trying to not be that way. I mean, dave posted how he can't read me because he can't tell whether my pushes are scummy or stupid.

People are usually as smart as they are. "Trying to be smarter" is not an endeavor I'd expect immediate results from. That town-gamma apparently succeeded is a feat that borders on the unbelievable and the observed phenomena could much easier be explained by him having informed POW.

wat?

It's unbelievable that a person aware of their weaknesses could improve on them, unless they are scum?

Like how does knowing who town is even relate to making less stupid pushes? Do we have some evidence that they're more accurate? Would you expect more accurate pushes from scum?

Accurate is not the antithesis to stupid. Just because a push is stupid doesn’t mean it’s wrong, you are aware of the phrase “scum caught for the wrong reason”, right?

512 makes some sense to me but I also think Lapsa is scum, and that’s a pretty hard thing for me to reconcile with Dave!scum.

Oh lol I thought Akarin was going after me

I mean, I did think that section was quite scummy and I'm definitely considering you a good lynch, but my Dave read is stronger and more interesting to push I think. Plus some of the votes on you have been weird. *cough* tictac *cough*

Why defend me in 504 then?

Yeah I don't like the waffling and fencesitting in post 601, good catch Dave.

Why are you congratulating Dave wat
But I definitely agree on the waffling portion, like the logic he’s provided seems to lead to a town conclusion but I recall him calling me scum later.

The overall feeling is Town for me though, makes some good points.

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought that was Kiana/Titus who did that, not Maria

[Gamma Emerald]

im referring to the train wreck known as forgotten hourglass my boy

Thought that our included me, my b

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, why do you think 258 is towny? The length of a person's posts does not affect whether they are likely to be scum or town, so I don't see why you would like his vote so much.

Tictac, can you give a readslist as I asked you too in 531?

That’s not what I meant. If you were making it harder for him to read to vote makes sense

[Gamma Emerald]

Just finished a game with scum gamma. Gamma's emotional outburst this game feels different than the one he did as scum that game.

Gamma posts are more in your face (in a gamma way) compared to that game as well.

Also I know it's early but gamma hasn't jumped on every major wagon either which he did as scum in that game.

I'm putting gamma as town lean because of his tone and behaviour.

Oh hey did that finish? Good.
That game is why I scumread pox7. In that game he was a BEAST, he’s been the polar opposite here, and I can’t see any town reason for that to be that way.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Saudade.exe crashed.

Lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

I think CT is changing stances under pressure. Thoughts on that?

Elabore if you could.

[Gamma Emerald]

No I see where the both comes in. But that does mean the post is oddly written. I’d think that type of error would look scummy but the self callout gives me pause

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, why do you think that Io's error is something that looks scummy?

Because it looks like she revised her post but didn’t fix the comma situation. Scum are more self-conscious so they’d be more likely to revise a post. As such revision-generated errors can occur

[Gamma Emerald]

can you stomach these snake tactics, liar?

UNVOTE:

Uh what?

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, why do you think that Io's error is something that looks scummy?

Because it looks like she revised her post but didn’t fix the comma situation. Scum are more self-conscious so they’d be more likely to revise a post. As such revision-generated errors can occur

Damn...I need to rethink how I play town then. I don't like making many grammatical errors.

I mean dividing posts as in changing what they’re saying, not English-class revisions

[Gamma Emerald]

@Sau Lapsa.

GE, why do you think that Io's error is something that looks scummy?

Because it looks like she revised her post but didn’t fix the comma situation. Scum are more self-conscious so they’d be more likely to revise a post. As such revision-generated errors can occur

Damn...I need to rethink how I play town then. I don't like making many grammatical errors.

I mean dividing posts as in changing what they’re saying, not English-class revisions

I generally just write as I go.
also that posts was like 4 lines, diving is a rather extreme word to use for trying to say that I went back and added a 3rd thing and forgot to change a word to reflect the new count.
I honestly don't even remember the whole writing process of that post. It wasn't really an important post though, just pointing out that I wasn't on mobile when Lapsa said I probably was.

Omg I hate my phone
Dividing = revising

[Gamma Emerald]

There's also no reason to draft anything in a PM really, unless you're that worried about accidentally hitting enter.
plus post can link to other threads, so even if it was drafted in a PM it would still work.

Also I jsut figured out why they didn't work. Apparently it defaults the link to post 0 if you don't put in the # after "post=".

Only reason to draft in a PM imo is if the thread is temporarily locked

[Gamma Emerald]

never drafted anything in my life

same

This is what you see fit to post?
VOTE: pox7

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like how sci kinda side-pushes mala and was absent during the recent CT drama. Kinda thinking those are both mislynches rn.
Do wanna see daves CT-thing tho. I'll weep for my joke if it never sees proper context.

For a 'wagon with low resistance' Sci sure hasn't had many votes on her.
644 doesn't ring alarms for anybody? A me too to CTs nonsense? Conflicted reads and seeking to resolve them is a thing it makes sense to scumread?

can you stomach these snake tactics, liar?

UNVOTE:

This is the best post of the game so far.
I laughed for like half an hour.

Explain Lapsa’s joke because I don’t get it

[Gamma Emerald]

Really because rn it’s bordering on obnoxious because all I can see is him mocking my word choice

[Gamma Emerald]

huh. I saw it as super absurb thing to do/say. Agression in conjunction with the unvote.
Didn't link it to ya really except in that he was unvoting ya,but he seemed to lose interest in ya a while before that post.
What word did ya think he was mocking?

I was calling him a snake a lot

[Gamma Emerald]

I was calling him a snake a lot

hm. could refer to ya then and makes more sense in that context.
Still don't see it as mocking the word, more being amused that ya think he's mafia.

That’s a bit of a perspective shift from how he was treating me before if so

[Gamma Emerald]

my maybe lynchpool:

1. Completly Trustworthy
2. Hugo Stiglitz
4. popopopopopopo
12. tictac
13. Io
14. Malakittens
15. davesaz

Wait where am I? I don’t know how you progressed from me being scum to me not being scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

the chicken guy replaced?? wonder why.
i got prodded, i started to reread the thread and i got to page 15 last night. honestly, have a omgus vote for being rude VOTE: lapsa

While that’s annoying that shouldn’t be why you vote him, there’s plenty of better reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

Just did an iso, he did not ever indicate replacing out ITT

nevermind. I believe it now. defo scum slip. carry on, soldier!

Pls explain. You’re having a definite problem with making your thinking clear.

[Gamma Emerald]

who is Performer

Meh player
He didn’t really get to do much last game with him but I feel like he could be doing more

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like that Tictac is continually dodging my question, I asked for reads because I wanted to know their stances on the players since they've been relatively quiet this game.Instead they've just ignored my request and not understood why I was scumreading them. I've disliked them for a while because both of their main votes were for relatively weak reasons, especially the one on Gamma, and they seemed to take a fencesitting position on their supposed scumreads. I think its very odd to say someone is scum and then go talking about how some of their posts could have made by their town self. I'm not scumreading them because they attempted to resolve a conflicted read, its because they suddenly waffled on someone they said was scum earlier.

I think his read and interactions with me make him town actually

[Gamma Emerald]

god I'm taking shitposting to new levels

You’re awesome my dude

[Gamma Emerald]

I dread the day sausade rolls scum.

He’s already done so in two newbies iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

To*

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait I see now
That’s a maybe lynchpool, not your actual lynchpool

[Gamma Emerald]

Good one smartass you’re lucky you were blunt that time
Also my phone is brain-damaged and tried to change smartass to some foreign word

[Gamma Emerald]

tictac(2)

~ Scioness Sajj, Completly Trustworthy

Scioness Sajj(4)

~ tictac,purrcet, Nosferatu,davesaz

davesaz(2)

~

Akarin, popopopopopopo

Completly Trustworthy(1)

Saudade,

popopopopopopo(1)

~ Gamma Emerald

Malakittens(1)

~ Garmr

Lapsa(2)

~ Io,hugo



Not Voting :Lapsa,Malakittens

VOTE: Davsaz

I like the people currently voting dave, His votes Lapsa,Popo,CT,Performer feel like his picking on what could be perceived as weak(low content,newbie and poupler wagon) to see what takes off. The only post I like is his 774 but honestly that could come from scum as well.

how do you like pox7

[Gamma Emerald]

Ye I like performer rn

[Gamma Emerald]

and I'm drunk. so no more posts till tomorrow

afraid of scum slipping while your inhibitions are lowered?

This is pox7’s best post so far

[Gamma Emerald]

So based off a snarky comment I made and mala’s agreement you see fit to conclude we’re scum together? You have no sense of reason apparently.

[Gamma Emerald]

claim dave

while I don't like the way this just popped up I am in agreement he needs to claim sooner rather than later

[Gamma Emerald]

claim dave

while I don't like the way this just popped up I am in agreement he needs to claim sooner rather than later

what dont you like about it if you agree with me lol

The fact it’s the only thing you’re contributing rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Tictac, anyone you’d like me to look at?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: davesaz
I think his disregard of Akarin’s case is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

L-1 btw

[Gamma Emerald]

So in 718 you commented that you couldn't see dave!scum and Lapsa!scum in response to 512.
If you think dave is scum for dismissing 512 what is your current thoughts on Lapsa then?

Town. I’ve felt they’ve improved somewhat in the “not lying out of your ass” department, but he’s still chafing personality wise, but that’s just a personal gripe

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why call it unfounded later?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not inviting until Dave backs up him claim
Because Io is right that unfounded doesn’t mean incorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave I want you to tell me what you make of unfounded not meaning incorrect

[Gamma Emerald]

W/e
UNVOTE:
I just wanted you to acknowledge that in some way. We will have words postgame however.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I push other people to follow and they merely sheep me, we're betting the alignment of a player on my read being correct. And I get nothing to base my read on the sheep.
If I ask them to contribute their thoughts on the matter, I get information to read them, and the group read is more likely to be correct than an individual read.

This post is motivated by my role.
I'm not the type of vig who is willing to be leashed, but I sure as hell want consensus on scumreads reads from my townreads.

I think you got a small case of word salad there. Rephrase that last part please?

[Gamma Emerald]

I played a game as semi-leashed vig once. What I did was I listed my targets and if anyone from the masonry said no to a target I’d switch it out. I think Dave was in that game, albeit temporarily

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m between voting Lapsa and pox7 rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Do I detect a scumbloc

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say lynch CT shoot Nosferatu but dave is his own woman

Yeah No’s needs a reread from me sooner rather than later
there might be a connection to a past large game

[Gamma Emerald]

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates?

the simpler explanation is that gamma is simply an awkward person. I don't see how playing as either alignment would change that aspect of him.

can we stop trying to make this game even more miserable thanks

ill pretend to accept any responsibility for stuff that happened while i was sleeping. good talk my dude.

I’ve been reading backwards and what is this garbage

[Gamma Emerald]

FYI Nos quoted something that was not there

[Gamma Emerald]

you read backwards for half an hour and reached post 613

dude check your timings

Are you calling me slow
I have other interests besides mafia you geek

[Gamma Emerald]

Garmr, what is your opinion on Performer? You said he should vote Dave if he wants to live in 947, does that mean you think he's town?

Nope pref is null. I was trying to get traction for Dave wagon. Also if Dave got lynched still I wouldn't care actually because he scum reads me and people who scum read me can get lynched. But I rather nail someone who's scum and see what happens to Dave tommorow than stop him fucking up and possibily hitting a power role.

Do you always take this OMGUS playstyle in your games?

[Gamma Emerald]

There is a modifier. I'm not going to say what it is for obvious reasons, but a CC is possible.

Please don't give anymore hints to scum. Also, please keep your target a secret if you intend to shoot tonight.

I’m not inviting until Dave backs up him claim
Because Io is right that unfounded doesn’t mean incorrect

Until he backs up his claim...?? Scum can fake claim vig but from the games I've observed and played in, it's better to unvote a pr. Throughout a later phase, we can sort their claim. Lynching a Town Vig on d1 isn't the way to go.

Read the next line for fucks sake
VOTE: Performer
I don’t recall him being this bad in the last game I had with him

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh my gosh Garmr I love that last paragraph

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll call a trace for now as we share a common enemy.
But the kitty revolution will come and all wolves will perish.

Rip me and my radio active dog ghost guide thing

[Gamma Emerald]

The dogs are thou holiest faction on mafia scum.

Krazy is a bee lol

[Gamma Emerald]

The interaction between dave and akarin on pg 47 is revealing.
Along with what scion mentioned about tic & akarin and the rest of scion's ISO, I have to reevaluate my read on akarin.
Being busy today, ok...but also saying having time on Tuesday for deadline - seems awfully, awfully convenient.

Revealing how? And what do you make of it in conjunction with past interactions between them?

[Gamma Emerald]

The interaction between dave and akarin on pg 47 is revealing.
Along with what scion mentioned about tic & akarin and the rest of scion's ISO, I have to reevaluate my read on akarin.
Being busy today, ok...but also saying having time on Tuesday for deadline - seems awfully, awfully convenient.

Revealing how? And what do you make of it in conjunction with past interactions between them?

In addition with things that happened like Akarin's case on dave and other interactions in their ISOs, what happened on pg 47 is interesting. She pushed dave before and continued saying he's suspicious.
She said she needed to catch up with posts, but on pg 47 she clearly read that dave posted about "sci." But dave already claimed vig - yet she posted twice abotu disliking dave for his "sci" post. dave's reply said it was messed up, but I don't think it's "town messed up." I think it's not even coming from town.

And seeing how much pressure and intent tic & akarin put on scion, all these things made me reevaluate.

I think this is some good logic
VOTE: Akarin

[Gamma Emerald]

GE, what's your opinion of Performer now? You voted him in 1087, but then voted who he was scumreading in 1172. What did he do that changed your read of him?

I think he’s probably town for the point he presented

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Malakittens

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh? What’s going down rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I think that’s hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

I meant Mala was hammered

[Gamma Emerald]

oh my god they killed POPO LMAO

they...?

This feels absolutely faked

[Gamma Emerald]

By Hugo fyi

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Hugo Stiglitz

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would he laugh in that case? Unless he’s still scum and just happy the vig took the bait.

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously though the laughter means he thinks scum killed pox7, which is literally impossible if you took time to read the modpost, and it reads as dumbtelling.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hugo, what conclusions have you drawn based on the recent flips?

ummm I don't know they just happened. There is a confirmed serial killer correct? I'm surprised dave didn't shoot, I was expecting him to confirm himself. Unless dave shot popo?

the popo flip literally gives no information as far as i know, but dave... :l it makes sense scum would want him dead (claim vig) but why no protect on him?!?! so disappointed

My vote stays on Hugo until he is lynched. There’s only one reason I could think of that he’s think this way and it’s shaky even then.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah I dunno.
I just took it that he thought it was funny Dave shot Popo and maybe laughed because the better vig target would have been Hugo/Gamma, in my opinion.

So you’re using your opinion to inform your perception of his post, k

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually how the fuck is pox7 a strange vigilante target? He was lurking and being unhelpful.

[Gamma Emerald]

Possible perspective slip from Io?

[Gamma Emerald]

I didn’t say usually, I said some times

[Gamma Emerald]

And no it is not revealed how people die in 99.99% if games here

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah no Io that wasn’t an odd vig shot in the slightest, as I said pox7 wasn’t contributing, that’s textbook what a vig should be shooting
Counterwagons are second best, at best, and wagon placement scumminess is something generally lynched for, not vigged for

[Gamma Emerald]

I swear to god I’m going to have an aneurysm from how revisionist all you fuckfaces are

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re lying to yourselves if you think for a second pox7’s play was in any way towny or beneficial to town
Nos I challenge you to tell how exactly pox7 was “towny”

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought popopo was town, Lapsa on the other hand....


Anyway my lynch pool for now in no order

(tictac,lapsa,davesaz)

People I have my eye on (purr or anyone who gets a cat avi jokes)

@Gamma emerald
We just came from a game where popo played like this. The biggest difference was you were scum that game and your probably town this game. Different perspectives. The fact you suspected him plays into my town read of you actually.

Anyone else that's not in my town list or in scum list is null and I don't mind if they get lynched. Nosf on the other hand joins my town list just because his scum game felt way different.

Eh? I know at the very least he had his own reads and pushed them that game, which is a significant difference

[Gamma Emerald]

Bwuh
Isn’t Dave dead
Or is there another Dave?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why I moved off tic - to include a green flip (dave) in order of priority lynching, looks very specific to me and not something I think town garm does. So, I don't see this as a town mistake. As for why dave died, I thought it's because there's no protection in this setup. Garm went on to even speculate maybe there's a strongman - I've seen scum do things like this, speculate specific alternates and suddenly end of game, they end of having a strongman...I didn't even think of this other possibility but he brings it up so specifically.

so are u thinking garm is scumslipping here?

based off a skim of hugo's ISO, maybe tic & ct are actually town? thinking out loud here.

lol elaborate please.....?




special shout out 2 GE for making me look like a serial killer love it.

How did I do that...?
<pretend there a confused Will Smith here>

[Gamma Emerald]

@perf it’s not 100% but it’s a strong read

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually wait a second
VOTE: Performer
I think he’s trying to fish for a reason to hop onto the Hugo wagon which is his best alternative rn

[Gamma Emerald]

So I don’t think anyone understands why I switched to Performer
I noticed the person he was asking me about (Hugo) was the largest wagon that wasn’t him. This made me realize the question he asked was mostly likely asked with the intent of getting on that wagon. As such I think he’s scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I still don't get it. do you really want to talk about it?

If you’re open to talk about it yeah. What don’t you get?

[Gamma Emerald]

Akarin what are you their mom?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was meant to be a joke

[Gamma Emerald]

That made me think of that one part of Down With The Sickness

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Performer

While I think about more discussion could have been had I don’t dislike this hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Duskpost lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Is there a reason for the Saudade hate?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well this happened

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to add this to my wiki ASAP cos I feel I was low impact and don’t want to forget everything about this game
So after months of stagnation I’m updating my wiki again

[Gamma Emerald]

I was right about tictac btw
Was wrong on Lapsa but w/e, I stopped actually pushing him after D1