Not voting: Nauci 1271, Ausuka 1314
The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).
understandable.In post 1445, Toranaga wrote:I'm starting to think NSG and ausuka are actually town, and my POE has been those two + you and dunn for a while. I think if you were town you'd be a lot townier than you've been, from that one game we played together. I'm scumreading some small things. I think dunn gets lynched tomorrow regardless of your flip.
sadnessIn post 1450, Flicker wrote:vc
Oh I get it, you said that NSG wouldn't pick on Kop IF they WERE buddies.In post 1447, Toranaga wrote:nah, I think if you flip scum that likely clears her evenIn post 1435, Eragon wrote::think:In post 1426, Toranaga wrote:would NSG pick on a scum partner's posting style the way she did with kop?
you think I would be buddies with NSG
too pumped up for my current depressionIn post 1454, the worst wrote:c'mon stick with American idiot :>
In post 1457, the worst wrote:I will have one of our cuddle division units dispatched
I said I was disappointed with how little you engaged with the content that happened. I thought lots of action had happened with Ausuka and other slots, but your replies were to defend yourself, comment on NSG's joke post instead of her content posts, and a shallow reaction to Dunn's lynchbaity post. Of everything there was to engage with, it was disappointingly shallow.In post 1175, Keyser Söze wrote:No, you said I ignored all the “content” from the last 5 pages.
What alignment indicative posts / scum cases are you referring to?
You can’t just throw that out there and expect me not to react.
I have been fully engaged in this game thank you.
Do you think Toranaga and Dunnstral are the last two mafia goons?
If so, convince me to return back there.
Toranaga has convinced me 1) he is unlikely mafia and 2) he also convinced me I was a blind idiot for being on Dunnstral’s wagon all of today.
I mean that's a really aggressive and shading way to come at me for asking for sortable content and in depth reactions and engagement (hmm, I dare say, I might call that "scum hunting").In post 1170, Nauci wrote:It's disappointing how little you've engaged with all of the content from the last 5+ pages (while asking others to contribute more).In post 1166, Keyser Söze wrote:My tone was semi serious: but tbh Sesq on D1 gives me enough reason to not lynch you today.In post 1128, Nauci wrote: [*]@Keyser928 Why did me scum reading you for the first 8 pages make you want to scum read/re-evaluate my slot? What would be the scum train of thought to do something like
D2, your slot has been focused on killing townies. I just think you need to re-evaluate the playerlist.
In post 858, Keyser Söze wrote:You still sound like you’re in defence-mode, not scum-hunting modeIn post 819, the worst wrote:don't give me that phoney AtE crap. if you think it's fake tell me why you think it's fake. the fact you're trying to call me out on a personality thing when you don't know me is g r o s s
but also most of the player list just feels totally resigned with my lunch. like if I was revealed as IC where would people even go?
‘The best defense is a good offense’ - Kevin Spacey
You're below-average, but your reads have been on point?In post 1186, Keyser Söze wrote:@Eragon - why is your vote not on me?
You have just listed many (bad) reasons why you strongly think I am scum.
Btw, I never said I was "god like" - I'm a below-average mafiascum player with still lots to learn. However, my reads have been on point so far this game. If Dunnstral and tora flip town, I'll feel even better about my developing game
I extremely do not understand your case for town Dunnstral. It's pure WIFOM Dunning-Kruger. Unless you can show me that Dunnstral's scum game is amazing, I don't see extreme-WIFOM as a good reason for the read.In post 1210, Keyser Söze wrote:This game is about survival.
And Dunnstral’s supposed scum game isn’t helping him survive.
Scum-Dunnstral gets no benefit out of this or his remaining teammate: even if his partner busses, they’d get no town-cred.
It’s tactical suicide.
I believe scum are in my middle ground reads.
wait are you saying you really thought nsg's spoilered rainbow post was seriousIn post 1233, Eragon wrote:oh my god its so hard to see that.
i dont know what im thinking thinking i can see that.
its almost impossible
/s
but tbh i havent really cased NSG, if they had continued "people pushing me are scum or bad" i woulda hard-pushed them, but they said its a joke so ehhhh
i think tora had a pretty good case overall, but other people are defending too.
thats why NSG is my weakest SR, on top of the fact a Keyser/Dunn Scum team could actually make sense(pre-flip associations. gotta love em good. /s)
Okay soIn post 1243, Toranaga wrote:you're literally only townreading NSG because nauci is, and nauci is only townreading NSG because NSG doesn't post anything when she is scum normally. she hasn't been towny this game and I think nauci is just taking her for granted here. NSG is smart enough to replicate minimally her town meta. this isn't her town game though. this isn't anyone's town game, this is scum.In post 1241, Ausuka wrote:Reundo is my SR due to my view on the gamestate (Mafia are comfortable now and this sort of town isn't the kind to ace a game based on today, bussing is therefore likely), Keyser things, and the fact he has a wide lynchpool of popular suspects that he's stating willingness to chainlynch. I am open to other ideas but dunn/Keyser isn't really one of those ideas, sorry. Although it doesn't matter what I think really.In post 1098, Eragon wrote:can you explain how you think reundo is your biggest scum?In post 1063, Ausuka wrote:{Nauci, Irrelephant, Keyser}
{nsg, (will just trust nauci on this particular read since I'm low on towns anyway) dunnstral}
{Eragon, the worst, Toranga}
{reundo}
about here, i'm probably missing something
can you explain how you think TW, Tora, and I are scummy?
can you explain your Keyser and NSG TR's?
Tor is an old read that just decayed over time, tw gives me bad vibes, you're kind of not readable for the most part and some things you do ping me vaguely. Like why am I suddenly 4th scummiest when you've been tunneling me this whole day?
NSG read explanation is in my readslist. Keyser feels genuine and I don't really get how he's meant to be scummy.
This is the kind of keyser post I was hoping to see make up the bulk of his ISOIn post 1275, Keyser Söze wrote:I do love Reundo’s novella-style reads on players. They feel like a warm blanket that re-assure me.
His work on Volxen D1 was exemplary. For those alone I elected Reundo into my top tier of town reads at the start of D2.
His recent post regarding Dunnstral strengthens my resolve not to hang Dunnstral today.
Reundo also weakens my desire to flip NSG D2 (pointing out their D1 actions surrounding the Sesq counter wagon was not the scum-optimal-play).
Finally, Reundo has re-opened my reluctant suspicion of Ausuka, who jumped off the Volxen wagon, to join the Sesq wagon, then finally rejoining the Volxen wagon. Even though I town-lean the Ausuka slot, those actions are scummy in isolation (in the conventional VCA sense). This ismy dilemma
Nauci, I was waiting for you to look for scum outside of me. Instead of engaging into a one on one before you fully caught up.In post 1460, Nauci wrote:I haven't caught up on this thread, but re-revewing Keyser's American Presidents posts, I just feel there's amassivecontrast in his POV/attitude/behavior/etc.
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In American Presidents, he:
This game, I just feel like I saw him be constantly defensive, hyper aware of how others viewed his slot in a way that agitated him, make fewer posts analyzing others, have a lot of reactions and perspectives that felt unnatural to read, and totally didn't comment on the way Volxen defended about him
- Called out and questioned everything he thought could be conceived as attempts to pocket him, even if in jest
- Spent waaaay more of his posts actively prodding others and sorting
- Had a more carefree attitude even in the posts where he did defend himself
- This one is more biased, but I defended Keyser multiple times in that game because I could clearly see what he was thinking in the times he was accused of being scummy, and felt like I agreed with his reads a ton
- Spent a lot of time just reacting to bits and pieces of the game and writing up reactions to other players' posts in a way that made total sense from the perspective of town trying to figure out the game
repeatedly and unsubtly, throwing him a town read without much of an explanation for day 1. It felt like he tried to shade the players he would find threatening day 1 like Reundo when there was opportunity/momentum to do so, but once it looked futile he flipped 180 (and something about the way he kept calling him teammate felt so awkward, like intentionally trying to create misleading associations?).
I just can't seem to get rid of this gut feel as I read the game. It's hard to explain some of the reasons I get this gut feeling because I feel like I read players on a more psychological/hard to phrase level (without writing the kinds of essays that I do), but I've always been able to just psychologically jump into the perspectives of some town players so seamlessly that they have to be town. This one feels like the opposite; I just struggle to see why Keyser would react so much to every comment on him, while also dodging responding.
Keyser, why did you feel like you had to wait until I cased you to respond to me, when my catch up posts clearly had tons of instances of comments on your posts that you could have replied to/explained/etc.?
VOTE: Keyser Söze
Ok, if I down grade them to null, as they haven’t done anything objectively pro-town:In post 1465, Nauci wrote:I extremely do not understand your case for town Dunnstral. It's pure WIFOM Dunning-Kruger. Unless you can show me that Dunnstral's scum game is amazing, I don't see extreme-WIFOM as a good reason for the read.In post 1210, Keyser Söze wrote:This game is about survival.
And Dunnstral’s supposed scum game isn’t helping him survive.
Scum-Dunnstral gets no benefit out of this or his remaining teammate: even if his partner busses, they’d get no town-cred.
It’s tactical suicide.
I believe scum are in my middle ground reads.
I believe I caught up with everything that was alignment indicative to me Nauci.In post 1461, Nauci wrote:I said I was disappointed with how little you engaged with the content that happened. I thought lots of action had happened with Ausuka and other slots, but your replies were to defend yourself, comment on NSG's joke post instead of her content posts, and a shallow reaction to Dunn's lynchbaity post. Of everything there was to engage with, it was disappointingly shallow.In post 1175, Keyser Söze wrote:No, you said I ignored all the “content” from the last 5 pages.
What alignment indicative posts / scum cases are you referring to?
You can’t just throw that out there and expect me not to react.
I have been fully engaged in this game thank you.
Do you think Toranaga and Dunnstral are the last two mafia goons?
If so, convince me to return back there.
Toranaga has convinced me 1) he is unlikely mafia and 2) he also convinced me I was a blind idiot for being on Dunnstral’s wagon all of today.