Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[Spooghetioso]

okay no im not going to listen to you anymore then that other person can get a train or something i dont care i will vote for you once i find that post that tells me how to vote again

[implosion]

To clarify, my comment was a jab; I currently have a wishy-washy townread on penguin.

[Spooghetioso]

vote:playerpenguin

[Spooghetioso]

okay but they just admitted that they were mafia so you shouldnt think of them as town anymore

[implosion]

What if Penguin is town who's trying to lure the mafia into a false sense of security by falsely admitting that he's mafia?

[Creature]

Hey implosion, what do you have?

[Music and Mail]

Implosion has a green name.

[PenguinPower]

He has relish. Lots and lots of relish.

[Music and Mail]

Alright, I guess i'm doing this case thing now. Prepare yourselves or something

[PenguinPower]

okay but they just admitted that they were mafia

Oh, shoot. You caught that?

[Music and Mail]

I think the 3 scum are Gamma Emerald / Carcalilly / Almost50 from a mix of

1) individual scumreads on the 3 of them that I feel fairly good about
2) Interactions between each other seem very SvS
3) PoE: there's only so many leftover players that can be scum and some like Lovebird!slot don't really make sense as scum because they're being set up as mislynches and the others I just don't particularly feel are scum compared to this group.

I divided my cases into cases on the 3 of them which I'll split over 3 posts tackling their 3 isos, but some evidence pointing to each being scum will be found in other people's isos obviously so I recommend reading them all.

[Music and Mail]

Before I get into the quote wall, a lot of my scumread here isn't things that are easy to put words to because it's largely what's

missing

as opposed to what's

present

in their ISO that makes me scumread them. I'll do my best to refer to the things in this ISO specifically that I think are obviously scum because I think they are genuinely obvious scum purely on stuff that's present, but even with all the scummy shit in their iso there's still oodles more that I can't put words to. Like Maria I am well versed in Gamma Emerald meta having played a metric ton of games with him and him having been present in like, more than half of all of my modded games on site so this is a read that I put a great deal of faith in. He also knows that and should therefore have a great deal of faith in my ability to read him, but when I call him scum he doesn't call me scum for it he just tries to deflect me and push on other people. When he's town he flips the fuck out when I scumread him.

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald

So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

This is a scummy phrasing for reasons that you'll have to take my word on. I don't expect yall to get much mileage on this, but it's a thing that exists

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Gamma jumps on PP hot because of a point where he claims that they're lying about N_M's meta, something I would expect town them to feel very strongly about-

I recall being in a game with PP and NM where NM was fairly active and was Town

Until he says that I’m not giving him botd

-a bunch of quotes where Gamma does NOT talk about the lie but that I'm not C/Ping in for the sake of brevity

I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

Care to backup your claim? I can't recall a game I've played with him where he was the top poster...ever.

I didn’t say top poster, I just said fairly active

Then how was what I said a lie? I said "I've never seen him say this much in any game" not "I've never seen him fairly active in any game."

Seems like you're walking it back now.

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Those look very similar tbh. Are you seriously going to get into a fight over nitpicks?

Considering the accusation of lying (meaning I was deliberately intent on deceiving), bolding and spacing of letters, and the vote....yes.

Disagree it's a nitpick though. They are fundamentally different.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

Gamma Emerald jumped him at the start for lying but then when it came down to it it became more of a question of 'proving himself right' and saying that he's not giving PP benefit of the doubt unless he changes their read, calls PP out for reacting to being called a liar by asking him if he's going to get into a 'fight over nitpicks', and then at the end argues on an intellectual level that it should create reasonable doubt in his lockscum read of NM. This is

not

the reaction of Town!Gamma who thinks that PP lied. There's no effort to push on him, just to argue the 'correctness' of his position and no teeth behind any sort of push into PP. In the end he even backs right off and is put on the defensive. He's not interested in anything from PP besides defusing the argument.

I agree they’re different. Not fundamentally, however. You’re saying this is the MOST active he’s ever been and scumreading him for it. I’m saying I remember him being similarly active in another game (btw for the record that game was Three-in-One) as town. I think that should be enough to create reasonable doubt in your lockscum read of NM.

In that game (which was three games btw...this is one) he had 8 posts at this point. 17% of the posts he currently has. He increase in posting didn't happen until near endgame.

So, that was enough for you to scream that I'm a liar and vote me?

No, I misremembered his activity that game.
And I don’t think I ever walked anything back but w/e

He's defending himself to the person that he called a liar in big font like he believed in it. That's not town, that's scum Gamma who doesn't actually want to have this fight with PP.

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

"way of explaining it was rather roundabout"
"still reads contrived, lack a sufficient counter"
"more convoluted logic"

this isn't how town describes their scumreads, this is how scum describe people that they know are town that they're pushing on.

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

That's what people said in civ mafia.

And if I recall you were one of very few people that didn't scumread me in day 1. Yet here you are.
Guess failure to meta read someone goes both ways.

How was your logic contrived in that game? And even then, your logic at this point is trying to push me+implosion because “Gamma changed my read on him which makes implosion possibly town, so they could be scum together”. That is some major mental gymnastics. How would I know that you would consider implosion town after that? In fact you just assuming we’re scum together is a red flag because that requires multiple assumptions. Plus there’s the fact I put myself in the spotlight. If you think I was saving him do you not think there were better options?

This post is truly scummy to the point of people not realizing that it's scum being essentially unforgivable.

I refuse to put detail to it, if you don't see it you gotta get better.

scum topic, clearly?
I just remembered that this game has no daychat for scum but that doesn't change my concern that her questioning him and not me is a TMI read.

I was going to question you on this but you are aware of the thing I thought you weren’t
I want to give townpoints for that tbh

Why give me townpoints for not remembering that scum have no daychat? If anything the fact that I've played this TWICE and didn't remember it suggests that I'm scum pretending I don't.

This is quickly turning into a commentary on various forms of government.

How???
This is such a ridiculous tangent it feels like misdirection

Yeah those responses don’t do much to convince me you’re Town
VOTE: implosion

Something something not how town talk about their scumreads, how scum talk about town that they are pushing on.

Having me sorted later in the game ups the odds of you not having to sort me at all because of scum nightkill.
Having me sorted earlier in the game means leashing most-all of the doctors onto protecting me.

with all due respect
no one but you cares as much as you do about ensuring your survival, and i'm sure you'll agree that stepping out of the frame of knowing you're town, having you sorted by a cop early would be pretty handy. I'm not necessarily advocating for that (I don't think it's a good idea at a glance to do anything to try to lead PRs around in this setup) but it's by no means bad from a neutral perspective.

99% of what skitter has said in the past 2 pages reads town to me, with the exception of a line that I think I had been misreading and can't even find on rereading where I thought she was townreading rc in a weird way and I'm not gonna try to keep finding it. I very much buy the way she's insisting this is outside her scumrange. I think most players who commonly talk about themselves as being easy to read are basically incapable of faking the "there's no way I can do this as scum" types of exchanges and it doesn't look bad to me at a glance.

VOTE: PenguinPower

I'm a little tempted to start BoP'ing rc though. But that can come in a few days if he keeps this up.

How is this play by RC worth a BoP read?

Gamma Emerald is familiar enough with people threatening to BoP me that this question doesn't have to happen, he'd start with the meat of why it doesn't need to happen in this instance.

The fact that you're scumreading 567 is ridiculous to the point where it doesn't merit a response.

What's your issue with the other response?

I don’t think having an off read is something that necessitates a BoP lynch. It warrants skepticism yes, but autolynching for that is a bad call. Me and MariaR have a good history of reading each other but MariaR also has a precedent of messing up sometimes, that doesn’t mean she’s scum for it.

He is voting Implosion and therefore agrees with me that he's scum, correct? So why is he arguing to his scumread that I shouldn't be BoP lynched for incorrectly scumreading him if he thinks that he's scum and that I'm town?

Sure, let's vote Gamma for now then.

VOTE: Gamma

@everyone else for reasons that I can't really put words to I kinda think Penguin is more likely to be town than not so I'm not going to support that lynch or allow it to happen.
I think that Gamma and A50 are scum together a very large percentage of the time and I think Gamma is an amazing lynch today, while I would also support Carca or Lovebird as tertiary options, Carca preferred.
Can we talk about our reads on Gamma/Carca?

This vote I don’t take issue with

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

Neat.

I'm willing to swing Gamma potentially because I don't think I've actually ever seen him as scum. At least I can certainly be persuaded on it. I don't know how reading him works.

This however is pure horseshit. Just because he has no meta of scum!me he’s willing to follow onto the read, without even saying much wrt actual meta thoughts on me. And even with that he isn’t voting, which feels like he is testing the waters.

That ridiculous comment on A50 is SvS so much of the time and the fact that implo and myself are probably town means that there's likely 1 scum being addressed of the 3.

Good bujaber <3

Fine I'll VOTE: gamma but only because there's a chance RC gets confirmed soon and if he does get confirmed maybe I can trust his imp read for the time being.

Which he flipped for no reason

Another just this is a scum reaction and if you don't see it you won't see it.

Btw I’m like 70% on Carcalilly being Town
Will explain later if anyone cares

Why? I mean this makes most sense as SvS imo but.

gamma when you're town in a game with rc how likely are you to sheep him?

Pretty unlikely, even if I townread RC I don’t trust them to be rational enough to be worthy of sheeping.

[Music and Mail]

So moreso than Gamma with Carcalilly it's not going to be easy to just drag quotes out and say 'yeah this is a scum post' even though so many of her posts are scum posts in the context of knowing Carca. What makes her scum to me is the fact that her play is so damn boring and lacks any personality, she goes around making empty posts calling people town or scum whereas I would expect her as town to have a lot more 'personality' which I basically define as being a convoluted mess where her reads and positions are unclear and she flails around all game. She's just kinda there in general and takes meh positions and doesn't really explain any reads and largely what makes me confident is meta that I can't really explain and a few specific interactions. I really would prefer Gamma dead but am okay with doing this lynch if I literally can't get gamma through because town is being too dumb.

Spoiler: Carcalilly

Btw, I'm an informed townie. I know this game is single ball and the scum team is of 3 members. There are probably many 1-shot investigatives and many 1-shot protectors. I won't crumb/hint my role. Let's just call say I'm basically a VT starting D2 (and will still get shot anyway).

Signed: Dr.Monkey

It literally says this in the setup post.

"There are:
3 Mafia goons
4-6 Night-Specific Cops
4-6 Night-Specific Doctors
Mafia knows how exactly many cops and doctors exist, but not who they are nor when they have powers."

Calls A50 out for just regurgitating the setup post, but doesn't actually follow up on it in terms of a read or any sort of comment, just an empty statement.

So I would consider this but only today, and only if someone can give a really good reason to.

ye it would only be a good idea today imo

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creature's town i think

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i have no idea what to do with spammy!not_mafia; he hasn't done anything like this in any of my games with him; the most verbose i ever remember him being is in mathdino's stack-the-deck in mylo where he was scum but he was trying to be 'helpful' there and this isn't that

idk how to read this

(not that i know how to read regular nm either mind)

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I HAVE TO PRESS ENTER LIKE 5 TIMES JESUS

Guys Unvote implosion yallre redicilus

this feels partner-y between carca and implosion

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I AM THE TOP POSTER

you are now annoying me

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This is Gamma's scum meta, right?

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

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I actually wanted to have some fun voting the newbie but I've never seen N_M say this much at all in any game I've played with him....ever.

VOTE: N_M

Not moving this vote all game until N_M is lynched.

T H I S. I S. A. L I E.
VOTE: PenguinPower

why is this a lie?

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i expected to have more to say after reading five pages

gut town on nm and implosion, but i can't read either of them so my confidence in both of these reads is not super high

skitter is town

Yeah I think gamma is town. Scum maybe trying to set him up as today's lynch pool. Seems like a stupid fight to pick with PP as scum and also it doesn't feel fake to me.

Scum pool: {implosion, carcalily, PP, hanshen, cmod, enigma} + A50 is a maybe.

This guy is town

skitter I was joking

Imploos Vs Bujaby looks like town v town

gamma probtown

I can't read spaghetti for the life of me

A bunch of empty townreads, empty 'yo this is TvT', then the first read that she explicitly hedges on is Gamma.

bujabby give me a self meta

your organization is very awkward and almost contradictory, but I feel like you're a sort of train-of-thought writer

Not how people describe their townreads for 800$, Alex?

okay bujy's logic is faulty but I can't see any scum motivation for what they're trying to do

So far you haven't pointed out a single "scum motivation" behind any post made by any player. Are you TRing the whole list? (Or at least everyone who did post)

Im very picky about who I decide is scum

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Like I want to clarify that this says a lot more about carcalilly's alignment than it does about A50
but this does really heavily point to them being SvS, this is really bad.

aww no RC get out of my game

This makes a lot more sense when we know that she's scum

aww no RC get out of my game

Serious request?

lol no

You pop up too much

penguin and bujabber is so town Vs town Someome please agree with me and make them stop

just fucking lol

going way back in the thread for a sec

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

I wouldn't like the new read. It's because I think gamma is valuable to town but his posts just whisper superficial in my ear occasionally.

like jesus fucking christ this is not something town says. does heavily point to them being both scum, ridiculous shit like this is usually SvS and the manner of the hedging points to SvS as well.

Wow this wagon on me looks shitty

I don't even know who's on it since I'm reading backwards but who the heck would wagon gamma

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

I wouldn't like the new read. It's because I think gamma is valuable to town but his posts just whisper superficial in my ear occasionally.

What happened to this superficiality or were you just scum trying to look like a good little townie (TM) by doubting your townread on your buddy?

key word occasionally

Hedges on the Gamma townread but then when actually called out on it refuses to budge on it at all.

Carca why do you have to be a scum butt

you know you still love me

You guys do realize this is literally a scum claim correct?
also just in case i'm gonna get aristophanesed i don't actually love this person

how about a50

this scumread disappeared for a long time but popped up again
I'll go more into detail on this with A50 because I think A50's ISO is actually the one that ties everyone together but
THERE YOU GO!

[Music and Mail]

I can meta A50 and call him scum just on a dime and that should be respected.
I'm metaing A50 and calling him scum.

So we're going to just skip the entire process of talking about my read on A50 and instead talk about his associations with the other two, which I think put a nice bow and ribbon on the scumteam.

Spoiler: Almost50

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

idk.

There was a time when I used to read Gamma accurately.. until I rolled scum with him, and from then on I auto-SR his play and try my best not to lynch him until it's mechanically necessary because I know I am biased.

@Gamma: Yes.. that Varsoon game messed up my way of reading you

Very early in the game, Almost50 makes an excuse for why he's going to be avoiding a Gamma lynch in a game where scum benefit from not bussing (unless executed perfectly)

Technically he didn't call you a liar. he just said what you said was a lie.

Like, if I told you I have a dinosaur in my backyard I'd be lying, but if I said skitter does I'd probably be spreading a lie she told me but I'm not necessarily lying myself because maybe I believe her.

But then you did say you never saw BN_M this active, so you were reporting for yourself, so maybe he did call you a liar??

But then maybe you just forgot, so it wasn't an actual lie, bur rather a memory slip, so maybe he's not calling you a liar after all.

How's that for a silly conversation??

So first off: really weird post.
Second off: he's trying to soften the Gamma calling PP a liar thing while Gamma is trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure he's just trying to cover for his scumbuddy here.

a50 you're really tempting me to vote you instead of more-or-less claimed scum. Can you not do that.

It's been a long time since you played me, right? I've transformed into an even more sarcastic player.

But don't worry, I'll play the game as soon as I am fully awake.

Postie!

okay bujy's logic is faulty but I can't see any scum motivation for what they're trying to do

So far you haven't pointed out a single "scum motivation" behind any post made by any player. Are you TRing the whole list? (Or at least everyone who did post)

In-Thread coaching for 400$, alex.

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Lay your cards then. Why do you suspect me? Why PP? Do you think we're scum together or are the SRs separate?

Again, no attempt to follow up on anything, just an in thread coaching attempt where he tries to get Carcalilly to flesh out her reads.

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

Do you get the impression that Almost50 is actually trying to sort her?

I have no bloody mechanical reads. All I have is tone and gut

I don't want to lynch: PP/M & M/Creature/Gamma/BuJ/N_M/implosion/Spoogheti/skitter

This leaves Carcalilly/CreativeMod/Lovebird for my D1 lynch pool.

That doesn't mean I TR all of those I don't want to lynch. I just feel that some can be sorted out later, and some can be valuable assets if town (so basically need Cop checks on as many of them as possible).

I also have nothing against the 3 I can lynch except I don't feel like they've been doing anything that helps me read them better.

Maybe let Lovebird live today too, as I think there are other players here capable of reading her?

Eh.. I've just checked the activity, and Carca has 48 posts already, yet I can't remember a single thing she said that makes me not want her out of this game.

Hmm.. looking at the VC, I see none of the experienced players is voting Carca. Any reason why any of you TR this slot?

Carca is just too scummy to exist at this point, and so he puts her in the scumpool.
But rather than pushing on her directly, he as lightly as possible doesn't call her scum and instead asks everyone else why they aren't voting there.


Note that A50 knows my read on Skitter is better than his and would have voted with me if he were scum with her or if he were town imo.

As this information is now public, I'd like to hear from the town who I should investigate as I'm not 100% sure

Music and Mail is your assigned target then.

You get protected by them and I protect them, ensuring the survival of the both of you.

Now here's the trick, my friend: You've just set yourself for the lynch on D2. Why? To ensure your check on M & M is for real (I won't lose to scum faking Cop on scum. Sorry!).

If you do flip Town M&M will be confirmed a town slot and all Doctors can protect them from then on.

If yours is a scum flip though, guess what?

Immediately after we setup the situation where I'm going to be confirmed town, he lines up a lynch to delay my being able to actually systematically lead lynches.

we're not lynching anyone for stupid mechanical reasons like that.

then I won't be protecting M & M tonight to start with, and if that leads to my own mislynch, so be it. I'd rather play right and lose than win by playing this the wrong way. (Where is Mathdino to help me out here. He's the master of open-setups playing strategies).

Before I started massively calling him out for it, he tries to use not being handed that free mislynch as an excuse to derail the whole protection situation and get that kill on me.

Oh, man! The TONE of 587 (especially the last part) makes me think RC is really Town here. Is he getting into my brain?? Can somebody help? CREATURE??

And if RC is Town it follows that Creative is Town (I'd only expect this gambit if they were both scum together). But if that's the case then I have no reason to SR implosion (except if I surrender and officially sheep RC, whom I would expect to lead us to oblivion anyway and then replace out if Town).

Sorry, RC. You know how rate your TOWN game. It's not half as good as your scum game IMHO. Please don't be offended by me saying that. *Sigh*

Not town!A50.

I don't have a solid scumread that I'm still feeling good about anymore

See, that's the problem with me too. Those who are active enough all look town to various degrees, but I very much doubt the whole scum team is lurking.

UNVOTE:

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

This just, eww. Felt like scum who wanted to keep their options open but didn't want to be on the wagon unless necessary.

OMG! This looks bad (if you want to look at it with a paranoid eye). In that game I let implosion live to endgame. If he flips red I'm a suspect for defending him, and if he lives long and is town then I also let him live. I guess I need to be lynched on D2 to cut down the paranoia anyway.

Scumpost.ca

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

UNVOTE:

To me; Gamma is as Town as Creature is (i.e. highest degree of confidence). Scum!Gamma was supposed to attack me for this vote and the way I phrased the post. I don't think he can even afford to fake a TR on me under the circumstances, and he always has trouble figuring out what I'm doing so it would have been most easy for him to OMGUS me and appear natural.

Note the difference between the 180 on Gamma and Implosion is that Implosion he just said was more likely town and kept the options open and didn't really defend him.
With Gamma, he's fully declaring him absolute locktown and giving himself leverage to start hard defending him and he does so for frankly batshit reasons.
Do you people who are really townreading A50 on 'tone' (you are bad at doing that) think that he has this massive change of heart over something so stupid?
Or do you think that he's scum who wanted to look like he was initially open to voting Gamma but doesn't actually want to see them lynched?

Frankly; I just copied and pasted my old read list and moved Gamma up, but totally forgot about that townslip of yours. That said, I won't put you at the very top for <reasons>.

Also, I am still ignoring that question you quoted. Capiche?

{Creature, Gamma}
{BuJaber, skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

Carcalilly has been prodded.
Lovebird has appr six hours to pick up their prod.

I'm tunneling the LB slot if that gets replaced again. I can't see a town slot getting replaced twice in 72 hours at the start of the game. Maybe the first player flaked.. but what about the second one? Why would they replace in then decide not to play after they have picked their role PM and actually posted in the game thread?

So then in terms of other people to vote he puts both Carca and LB at the bottom slot (expressing openness to wagoning both) but then says that he'll powerlynch the LB slot if it gets replaced again when they were already obviously getting replaced again, so another case of him wanting to look like he was open to wagoning his scumbuddies but in actuality he isn't.

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

I'll be damned if this isn't S.C.U.M

No follow up of course, because the slot that was replaced twice is SUCH a scumfuck amirite

It's official! teacher has just posted in the replacements thread looking for someone to fill in for LB.

VOTE: Lovebird

A28 - remember twin trap? I'm happy enough with your reasoning to treat it like a guilty. Can we hold off on LB and hit other scum first?

People don't feel fine about lynching Carca and I have yet to locate a 3rd suspect with any degree of confidence.

That said, I'm the only vote on LB right now so the slot is unlikely to even have a wagon on it before it gets filled. My vote is just stating a stance.

Ohhhh because

people don't feel fine about lynching Carca

I see.
Not because you wanted to wagon town

They say it's over when the fat lady sings but your mom's voice is disgusting so I'd rather she keep her mouth shut, thanks.

[Carcalilly]

And you wonder why M&M and NC scumteam ^ ?

[Carcalilly]

poor spaghetti

[Carcalilly]

OwO postie is that you

hold on imma shitpost my thoughts on this great stuff right here

[implosion]

meh i'll probably vote gamma in like 3 days to make rc suffer

[Almost50]

I can meta A50

and call him scum just on a dime and that should be respected.
I'm metaing A50 and calling him scum.

So we're going to just skip the entire process of talking about my read on A50 and instead talk about his associations with the other two, which I think put a nice bow and ribbon on the scumteam.

Spoiler: Almost50

what do u think gamma's scum meta is?

idk.

There was a time when I used to read Gamma accurately.. until I rolled scum with him, and from then on I auto-SR his play and try my best not to lynch him until it's mechanically necessary because I know I am biased.

@Gamma: Yes.. that Varsoon game messed up my way of reading you

Very early in the game, Almost50 makes an excuse for why he's going to be avoiding a Gamma lynch in a game where scum benefit from not bussing (unless executed perfectly)

Technically he didn't call you a liar. he just said what you said was a lie.

Like, if I told you I have a dinosaur in my backyard I'd be lying, but if I said skitter does I'd probably be spreading a lie she told me but I'm not necessarily lying myself because maybe I believe her.

But then you did say you never saw BN_M this active, so you were reporting for yourself, so maybe he did call you a liar??

But then maybe you just forgot, so it wasn't an actual lie, bur rather a memory slip, so maybe he's not calling you a liar after all.

How's that for a silly conversation??

So first off: really weird post.
Second off: he's trying to soften the Gamma calling PP a liar thing while Gamma is trying to do the same thing and I'm pretty sure he's just trying to cover for his scumbuddy here.

a50 you're really tempting me to vote you instead of more-or-less claimed scum. Can you not do that.

It's been a long time since you played me, right? I've transformed into an even more sarcastic player.

But don't worry, I'll play the game as soon as I am fully awake.

Postie!

okay bujy's logic is faulty but I can't see any scum motivation for what they're trying to do

So far you haven't pointed out a single "scum motivation" behind any post made by any player. Are you TRing the whole list? (Or at least everyone who did post)

In-Thread coaching for 400$, alex.

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Lay your cards then. Why do you suspect me? Why PP? Do you think we're scum together or are the SRs separate?

Again, no attempt to follow up on anything, just an in thread coaching attempt where he tries to get Carcalilly to flesh out her reads.

I'm actually kinda questioning my gamma read even though I wouldn't like it

You wouldn't like the new read or you don't like the fact you're questioning the current read?

Do you get the impression that Almost50 is actually trying to sort her?

I have no bloody mechanical reads. All I have is tone and gut

I don't want to lynch: PP/M & M/Creature/Gamma/BuJ/N_M/implosion/Spoogheti/skitter

This leaves Carcalilly/CreativeMod/Lovebird for my D1 lynch pool.

That doesn't mean I TR all of those I don't want to lynch. I just feel that some can be sorted out later, and some can be valuable assets if town (so basically need Cop checks on as many of them as possible).

I also have nothing against the 3 I can lynch except I don't feel like they've been doing anything that helps me read them better.

Maybe let Lovebird live today too, as I think there are other players here capable of reading her?

Eh.. I've just checked the activity, and Carca has 48 posts already, yet I can't remember a single thing she said that makes me not want her out of this game.

Hmm.. looking at the VC, I see none of the experienced players is voting Carca. Any reason why any of you TR this slot?

Carca is just too scummy to exist at this point, and so he puts her in the scumpool.
But rather than pushing on her directly, he as lightly as possible doesn't call her scum and instead asks everyone else why they aren't voting there.


Note that A50 knows my read on Skitter is better than his and would have voted with me if he were scum with her or if he were town imo.

As this information is now public, I'd like to hear from the town who I should investigate as I'm not 100% sure

Music and Mail is your assigned target then.

You get protected by them and I protect them, ensuring the survival of the both of you.

Now here's the trick, my friend: You've just set yourself for the lynch on D2. Why? To ensure your check on M & M is for real (I won't lose to scum faking Cop on scum. Sorry!).

If you do flip Town M&M will be confirmed a town slot and all Doctors can protect them from then on.

If yours is a scum flip though, guess what?

Immediately after we setup the situation where I'm going to be confirmed town, he lines up a lynch to delay my being able to actually systematically lead lynches.

we're not lynching anyone for stupid mechanical reasons like that.

then I won't be protecting M & M tonight to start with, and if that leads to my own mislynch, so be it. I'd rather play right and lose than win by playing this the wrong way. (Where is Mathdino to help me out here. He's the master of open-setups playing strategies).

Before I started massively calling him out for it, he tries to use not being handed that free mislynch as an excuse to derail the whole protection situation and get that kill on me.

Oh, man! The TONE of 587 (especially the last part) makes me think RC is really Town here. Is he getting into my brain?? Can somebody help? CREATURE??

And if RC is Town it follows that Creative is Town (I'd only expect this gambit if they were both scum together). But if that's the case then I have no reason to SR implosion (except if I surrender and officially sheep RC, whom I would expect to lead us to oblivion anyway and then replace out if Town).

Sorry, RC. You know how rate your TOWN game. It's not half as good as your scum game IMHO. Please don't be offended by me saying that. *Sigh*

Not town!A50.

I don't have a solid scumread that I'm still feeling good about anymore

See, that's the problem with me too. Those who are active enough all look town to various degrees, but I very much doubt the whole scum team is lurking.

UNVOTE:

Also, the reaction from implosion to me voting him is more likely to come from town than scum. He didn't even bother ask me for a case, which means he either doesn't care of is reading with comprehension.

This just, eww. Felt like scum who wanted to keep their options open but didn't want to be on the wagon unless necessary.

OMG! This looks bad (if you want to look at it with a paranoid eye). In that game I let implosion live to endgame. If he flips red I'm a suspect for defending him, and if he lives long and is town then I also let him live. I guess I need to be lynched on D2 to cut down the paranoia anyway.

Scumpost.ca

I don't like Carca or LB much, and I guess I can hide behind someone else to vote Gamma having said I hesitate to touch him myself bc I often SR him regardless.

This means I'm alright voting either of the 3 for now.

VOTE: Gamma

Note to self: That's got to be the scummiest thing I posted in 2018.

This is shifty but A50 seems to know that. Weird that he’d post it knowing it looked scummy, but my first instinct is to call it Town A50

UNVOTE:

To me; Gamma is as Town as Creature is (i.e. highest degree of confidence). Scum!Gamma was supposed to attack me for this vote and the way I phrased the post. I don't think he can even afford to fake a TR on me under the circumstances, and he always has trouble figuring out what I'm doing so it would have been most easy for him to OMGUS me and appear natural.

Note the difference between the 180 on Gamma and Implosion is that Implosion he just said was more likely town and kept the options open and didn't really defend him.
With Gamma, he's fully declaring him absolute locktown and giving himself leverage to start hard defending him and he does so for frankly batshit reasons.
Do you people who are really townreading A50 on 'tone' (you are bad at doing that) think that he has this massive change of heart over something so stupid?
Or do you think that he's scum who wanted to look like he was initially open to voting Gamma but doesn't actually want to see them lynched?

Frankly; I just copied and pasted my old read list and moved Gamma up, but totally forgot about that townslip of yours. That said, I won't put you at the very top for <reasons>.

Also, I am still ignoring that question you quoted. Capiche?

{Creature, Gamma}
{BuJaber, skitter}
{implosion, Cmod}
{Spooghetioso, M & M}<===neutral/null
{N_M}
{PP}
{LB, Carca}

Carcalilly has been prodded.
Lovebird has appr six hours to pick up their prod.

I'm tunneling the LB slot if that gets replaced again. I can't see a town slot getting replaced twice in 72 hours at the start of the game. Maybe the first player flaked.. but what about the second one? Why would they replace in then decide not to play after they have picked their role PM and actually posted in the game thread?

So then in terms of other people to vote he puts both Carca and LB at the bottom slot (expressing openness to wagoning both) but then says that he'll powerlynch the LB slot if it gets replaced again when they were already obviously getting replaced again, so another case of him wanting to look like he was open to wagoning his scumbuddies but in actuality he isn't.

Whoa, check? Did creative claim a pr or something?

I'll be damned if this isn't S.C.U.M

No follow up of course, because the slot that was replaced twice is SUCH a scumfuck amirite

It's official! teacher has just posted in the replacements thread looking for someone to fill in for LB.

VOTE: Lovebird

A28 - remember twin trap? I'm happy enough with your reasoning to treat it like a guilty. Can we hold off on LB and hit other scum first?

People don't feel fine about lynching Carca and I have yet to locate a 3rd suspect with any degree of confidence.

That said, I'm the only vote on LB right now so the slot is unlikely to even have a wagon on it before it gets filled. My vote is just stating a stance.

Ohhhh because

people don't feel fine about lynching Carca

I see.
Not because you wanted to wagon town

They say it's over when the fat lady sings but your mom's voice is disgusting so I'd rather she keep her mouth shut, thanks.

[implosion]

do i mean 3 days later into day 1, 3 rl days after we quicklynch someone else so that it's early d2, or 3 days as in day 4?

Only time will tell; i will reveal the answer in 2 days.

[Almost50]

@RC: IF I was to pick 10 .. no

20

players who can meta me to various degrees of precision, your name still wouldn't appear on the list, my friend.

[Music and Mail]

It would not serve your interests well to insinuate that I can read you well this game

[implosion]

can't we just lynch a50

we get the best of both worlds, a scum lynch and rc getting shot night 1

[Carcalilly]

If you seriously think that a 3 person scumteam would be like "hey carca townlock one of your buddies and scumlock the other" makes sense than boy please relook

Your gamma read is 90% meta which is respectable enough, and you're inserting yourself a lot with those reactions. Tbh the "why give me town points" is kindof a scummy bleh, or is something I tend to see scum do a lot anyway. You seem focused on your interactions with him in and outside this game so why not like,, actually talk to him more???

Also I'll have you know that you are wrong and I am the second most interesting person in this game
But really that meta read is sort of gross. If you looked, I blatantly contradict myself and "flail" more so when I'm scum. The way I just sort of post makes it really easy for me to miss details that might be a scum slip, and I can remember those games vividly and the horror flashbacks are coming back.
bujabby is most likely town but if you actually read the context of those question you'll realize I was trying to find out why everyone was scumreading him at the time
gamma is awkward but he's probtown. My view is fully open to interpretation especially as the days go by.

hey guys a50 is scum because I said so

[Carcalilly]

can't we just lynch a50

we get the best of both worlds, a scum lynch and rc getting shot night 1

this is why ur town

VOTE: a50