Newbie 1904 - Game Over

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VOTE: lames

hi all! let me go find my IC copypasta...

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IC Intro, adapted from many others

Hey everybody! I'm Irrelephant, your Inexperience-Challenged (IC) player for the game (it's my third time)! That means I am here to lead by example and answer your questions along the way. I will be playing to my win condition to the best of my ability, but if you have questions about Game Theory or Da Rules, I am required to answer them honestly, and to be clear when I am speaking as am IC vs. as a Player.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

And here are some helpful tips:

->

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in Plotinus' original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

->

"Site Meta"

is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

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Give "intent to hammer"

when you want to place the final vote on a player. This gives time for that player to give a final plea and to claim their power role, if they have one (or if they are lying scum). If, after that player has posted, you are still sure you want to hammer them, go ahead and place the final vote. It is also common courtesy to declare "L-1" ("1 Vote away from lynch) when you place the penultimate vote on a player.

---> Don't claim your role until you are in danger of getting lynched - usually, you want to keep it a secret right up until someone gives intent to hammer. Sometimes, everyone will agree to claim in a "massclaim".

Other than these situations, do not make your role obvious,

even if you are a vanilla townie, as claiming makes it easier for scum to kill power roles at night.

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Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

--->

Don't vote for yourself.

There are very rare occasions where this is helpful in non-newbie games, but usually only for scum, so if you do it here you will certainly get scumread for it.

->

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

-> This is a game.

Have fun!

Spoiler: Irrelephant out!

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auhsoj, Okx, and anyone else without a profile picture: please get a profile picture! It will make the game much easier to read for everyone (right now it's likely we'll mix you two up when reading quickly)

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ooh I like it
Okx do you have much experience playing mafia?

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okay cool!
what if I told you I was already feeling that ceejay and lamees are town? If you had to either agree or disagree, what do you think?

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VOTE: Jess

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I SAID HELLO

oh. HELLO LAMEES

Hope were both town this time

both of these felt vaguely towny

I like lamees' vote on jess, too

hi muh! why didn't you ask the question aushoj asked, or interact with the wagon on jess?

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Hi AbyssalLord! I can't be a scumteam with ceejay and lames, that's too many people. wanna dive into why scum is more likely to share early townreads than town? or share any other reads so far?

Muh, notably, you actually haven't "addressed my question". You've only asked a different one in return. I'd still like an answer

Given my last game with Lamees, I find the "LOOK AT ME AND GIVE ME ATTENTION" all-caps entrance to be like 2% more likely to come from town-Lamees than scum-Lamees. I voted Lamees because I usually vote someone I recognize in RVS. I didn't yet have a townread on her, though. I shared the townread a few posts later, when I came to think of it. Why did you present my actions out of order like that?

lamees, I probably agree, but I'm not loving AbyssalLord's entrance. Are you townreading it?

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I guess
It feels a little bit like he wants it to both *be a joke* and *slightly increase people's scummy perceptions of the three of us* but I recognize it might just be the first of the two

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anyone you think is town, yet, okx?

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or any thoughts on me/lamees joining your Jess wagon?

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Oh you did, my bad
When I voted I hadn't read anything other than the playerlist; when I had a townread I had read and tried to parse alignments from all the RVS posts.

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Okx popping in asking for contributions without providing any is slightly scummy

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can you explain the lamees read?

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okay, cool, just wondering if there was one particular post that gave you the read. I'll accept "feeling" as a reason this early.
Does your read on me go deeper?

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Cool, I think I'm townreading you a little.
Though, it's generally frowned upon to guess who's PR and who isn't - that helps scum more than it helps town. It's also more common on this site for PRs to play more subtle until they decide to claim, anyway.

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lol same

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He was townie then, but he wasn't pushy in that game.

Really? I felt like everyone was calling me pushy/saying I was asking too many questions in that game.

If you couldn't tell, I'm trying to get the game moving past the RVS stage. I often do this, and I get less aggressive once there's more to talk about

I'm inclined to believe the townslip for now, but it's nowhere near "clearing", since some newbies who roll scum their first time know enough to fake it

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I suspect Jess will probably be replaced soon
Where'd auhsoj go?

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VOTE: auhsoj

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I think wagoning is pro-town in general (though obviously it can lead to mislynches sometimes), because the pressure it provides helps to find scum
I think VOTE: Jim is overly afraid of wagons

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Forgot about this.

Busy tonight but will be on tommrow, presume the only reason I'm L-2 is that I've been quiet?

yes
Agree that weekends are usually a less active time onsite
Disagree that I only like Lamees because they followed my vote - if she had followed onto another wagon I would townread her for that, too

In retrospect, I like Jim's reasoning for scumreading Lamees, though - it's more well-thought-out than I originally realized. I don't like AbyssalLord's vote, though. "they have been following votes around" - AL, can you explain why that makes her more likely to be scum?

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VOTE: abyssallord

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Child, any other scumreads? Your vote is most helpful as a tool when it's pressuring players to play better.

As far as "everyone else," honestly, I'm not getting much of a read on anyone, town or scum. I guess I'm not sure if it's too early to have reads on everyone, or if I'm not analyzing people's posts deep enough. Still trying to get into the swing of this.

It is pretty early to have strong reads, but often to begin with people will share their "leans" - the players they're really *feeling* are one alignment or another.

I'm about here:

Town
{Lamees, muh316}
{Jim, Child, okx}
{ceejay, auhsoj} - about here is null, though by process of elimination I should maybe call these two scumleans as well
{abyssallord}
Scum

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Can you explain those reads a bit? And I encourage you to vote one of them if you think they might be scum - you can always unvote later!

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are you reading jim differently than when you voted him?

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I really really don't think Lamees is scum here
I recognize that her play could potentially have the goal of pocketing me but I don't feel at all pocketed - my reason for townreading her has next to nothing to do with the fact that her votes match mine. Rather, it's her play on the whole. And I don't think her using her vote very freely is scummy - actually, town usually feel much more comfortable throwing their vote around (scum don't like the attention it gets them)
Please do not lynch Lamees today.

Is anyone strongly townreading abyssallord, aside from the "slip" (which is easily faked)?

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lamees what do you think of a {child, abyssal} team?

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as in, you think they're both town?

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If everyone could provide readslists in the next 24 hours, that would be extremely helpful. We need to arrive at a lynch soon, and I don't think Lamees is a good choice.

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*soonish
We have five days, actually, which isn't as short as I thought. Still, though, readslists will help us see where everyone is at

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I was thinking that Abyssal's townslip is genuine. That's why I unvoted.

which townslip?

I picked up irrel wants to get past RVS which I think is good for the game (either alignments) and I think a wagon is the perfect way to do so. We just happened to get a wagon on the wrong player the first attempt.

hmm... what could this lead to?

Actually wait, auhsoj might be the wrong player too lol. He hasn't posted in over two days.

VOTE: jim

Alright, without the previous post, i could let this slide. But now i cant see your reasoning.
Why are you trying so desperately to get a wagon? Most of the people you voted didnt even write anything contributing to the convo. There are two reasons you seem to bring about with this wagon:
First is to get out of RVS, in which case voting anyone and seeing their reactions will do fine. No reason in changing from whoever you were voting before.
And in the second post, you say that joshua might be the wrong player. And what do you mean by wrong player? He hasnt responded yet, and you just seem to want to jump from wagon to wagon. Explain what you want to do, clearly, uncontradictary.

I mean, I can't really do anything productive when I don't know how to play, compared to someone who started playing nearly a decade ago.

VOTE: AbysallLord
So you're new huh? Tough luck, you could've just passed this off as simply "i dont know how to play" but you had to compare yourself to muh. Not taking the blame and shifting it by comparing your newbie self to someone more experienced to gain sympathy is the oldest trick in the book. You're going to the gallows, regardless of how much experience you have.

I reallly don’t like this post

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There’s so much shade throwing in the above post, based on misinterpretations and negative assumptions
Also *surprise* the replacement suspects the two people who have had the biggest wagons

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Honestly 171 looks like a post from a scum whose partner in the scum thread said “lamees and abyssal are the two easy mislynches, you should jump on one of those wagons”

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UNVOTE:

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@mod: you have dong on the Vic twice

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VOTE: dongempire

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Scum can indeed figure out who’s widely townread based on readslists, and nightkill them, but they might figure that out anyway (who isn’t being suspected by the other players?) and readslists provide a kind of accountability - you have to show you believe your reads

Town
{Lamees, muh316}
{Jim, CJ}
{Child, okx} - null line. I don’t have a reason to scumreading either of these players but I also have a hard time seeing the game from their perspective/understanding their reads.
{abyssallord} -
{dongempire}
Scum

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Actually move okx up a line in my reads - I like that post!

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Yeah wow that’s L-1. That was almost too easy... but if someone posts intent to lynch him, we should then ask for a claim.

Anyone think dong is town?

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I agree that we shouldn’t lynch him yet, but I think his entrance is very scummy. Without showing much thought as to why, he says he finds the two biggest wagons scummy. I find it overly convenient to the point of being the scummiest play so far. How do you read it?

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Lol after I flip scum you can brag about catching me
Till then the two words are synonyms

I agree that it was too quick and fairly likely to be a play style thing but I still want a little more from dong before I unvite (“the IC wants my mislynch”, really? That’s sorta what I mean by throwing shade. How was I supposed to know the wagon would grow quickly?)

Well we got two wagons up to L-1, so we did something good here at least (all the more to analyze later)
If both wagons are on town then I bet there’s one scum on each wagon
Actually there might be one scum on each wagon either way

@Jim how do you feel about these wagons?

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Why okx? I didn’t understand your reason for voting him the first time either

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Dongempire can you see why I would be suspicious of your entrance being: questioning the two most widely scumread players, ignoring all other slots, and then voting on one of the two most popular wagons?
I might come around to you being town (probably more from the way your wagon formed so quickly rather than your play so far), but i think it makes perfect sense from an objective point of view why i scumread you.

I think Abyssal might be the better lynch today, but your play has mostly defensive, which is hard to read either way. Who’s towny in your eyes?

I’m still interested to hear Child explain his Okx read, too.

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Wow the tone this page got a lot more aggressive
Not my style but it’ll hopefully keep things moving this game, so that’s honestly fine w me

I think I’m townreading dongempire’s self-righteous anger, actually. I think it’s pretty rare for scum to be so audacious as to say “how dare you scumread me?!?!” And the fact that muh316 found another game where he showed aggression is towny for both of them I think.

I need to re-evaluate, some.

I’m only mobile posting lately so answers to your questions coming soon - I can’t do my usual quote walls

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UNVOTE:

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Abyssal why did you unvote dong?

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Why Jim! I don’t think I’ve seen anything about him from you, and I think I had a townlean on him iirc

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*Why Jim?

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I’m rereading this today to firm up my reads and explain them
ICs are sometimes killed just for being IC’s so I’ll try to get everything in my head into the thread

I definitely don’t want a muh, dong, or lamees lunch. I’d prefer not to lynch Child either I think? Like I said I’ll be getting more thorough tonight.
@abyssal what are you saying about jailkeeper?

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Hey Ceejay, what are your reads at the moment? We haven't seen a readlist from you yet.

I town read okx and have abyssal and child as townleans, everyone else I have trouble sorting.

CJ can you explain these reads?

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Falling asleep while rereading so I’ll post my thoughts tomorrow

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CJ has been lynchbait before I think, or at least I know his play style sometimes gets him scumread
Having said that, I’m finding the cases against him somewhat convincing. Almost done rereading

Lamees you seem easier to read/understand here than in our last game. Is that intentional?

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What does synonyms mean? I dont know that much english

synonyms means different words that have a similar/the same meaning. basically he is saying that the words "easy" and "fast" are very similar words. i dont agree with that explanation at all

Why okx? I didn’t understand your reason for voting him the first time either

surprising you forgot this as you questioned me for this before but:

Can you explain those reads a bit? And I encourage you to vote one of them if you think they might be scum - you can always unvote later!

ohx for same reason as abyssallord was pushed, no actual content aside from asking people to post content, which i dont like. why i scumread him and not abyssal is the fact that him not participating much is sort of put under the rug, while abyssal is pushed even after a supposed "townslip", early reading would suggest a possible ohx-muh team to me, although its a bit of a stretch, considering the fact that i dont even scumread muh. its very possible though

i still have the same opinion, basically i think ohx is the worse version of abyssallord.


also adding irrelephant to scumpool, removing lamees.

Missed this before
-I think that the use of “easy” and “fast” in this case would basically be synonyms. I’ve always found word choice to “catch” town more often than scum, and unless you’re scumreading anything else about my oplay, I think your read on me is a reach.
-I had literally just said “i didn’t understand your okx read”, which implies I remembered it but wanted you to explain again. To be clear, your scumread is “I don’t like his requests for content w/o providing content himself, and I think he could be scum with someone I’m townreading”? I sort of get the first reason but I think the second one is... not really a reason.
-the reason to not scumread abyssal sort of tracks though I guess (fast wagon)

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Town
Muh316 - has been logical, made pushes, lacks agenda, and overall shows scumhunting
Dongempire - self-righteous anger is towny, and his case on ceejay seems hard to make as scum (hard to fake that sort of thought process) even moreso than I find it damning for ceejay himself
Lamees - I think wagoning is town-indicative, I think her analysis of players like ceejay and abyssal show town thought processes
Jim - entrance to the thread was strong in retrospect, shows towny skepticism (“please explain how “ceejay seems a little mafia” is your entire case”)
Child - similar reads, lots of scumhunting in the ISO, kinda townreading the push on me that isn’t gaining traction (as opposed to scum trying to gather the momentum for a mislynch)

Willing to lunch
Ceejay - unexplained reads I don’t understand, opportunistic voting patterns (whoever’s lynchable, as opposed to whoever he’s been suspecting)
Abyssal - the townslip could be faked (I faked a townslip as a newbie scum before), and his ISO is pretty empty of scumhunting content
Okx - most of his reads seem to be based on ~feeling~ and eventually I’d expect him to be able to point to specific things as the game has picked up and wagons have rose and fallen

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We’re close-ish to deadline so

intent to lunch

CJ, please claim

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Votecount 1.01

Jess0204 (3) -

Okx, Irrelephant11, Lamees

muh316 (1) -

auhsoj

Jim Hawkins (1) -

ceejayvinoya

auhsoj (1) -

muh316

Not Voting (3) -

Jess0204, Jim Hawkins, AbyssalLord

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is paused at 10 days until all players have confirmed.

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What do you mean about dong there?

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@lamees yes that one
I guess that was a big part of it, yeah, so nvm

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I think I believe the claim
Ceejay are you townreading AL besides the townslip?

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VOTE: abyssal
I think I might be wrong with one of my townreads but I’m not sure there’s a better lynch with the time we have left

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Okx and abyssal are similar in my mind. One of them has already claimed, and it’s abyssal, so I’d rather do the abyssal lynch
I’ll compromise on okx if it’s the only lynch we can get before deadline, though (I’ll be here just before deadline)

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The abyssal lynch is not good for town imo. I have a feeling he is actually VT as he claimed. The lynch will be rushed and I'm not even sure what we gain from it. High chance of the wagon being all town as everyone just wants a lynch.

Town AND scum would be likely to rush a miss lynch. I usually agree that a lynch is better than no lynch. But this case I'll go:

No lynch > abyssal lynch. A miss lynch on town for info is worthwihile, BUT I don't see what info we can gain from an abyssal miss lynch here.

No Lynch is a really bad choice for D1, though. A mislynch is better than a no lynch D1, even if it feels counter intuitive. It’s because of the numbers. If we no lynch and scum kills a townie overnight, we’ll have 8 players left. It will still take five to lynch, but with one less townie, it’ll be much harder for town to coordinate a lynch without scum manipulating the lynch

That said, I’m not heavily scumreading Okx, but I do feel like I have pretty good reasons to townread most of the rest of the players, so VOTE: okx

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I cc tracker
Vote okx

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Jailkeeper should be aiming for scum

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Jailkeeper should be trying to block scum kill
Scum have Rolecop

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Who would claim rb’d besides me? Mafia clearly weren’t roleblocked. The rest of you don’t have night actions?

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Abyssal went nowhere

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We have three lunches left and two innos
If we can decide two people besides me and Abyssal who are always town, we win

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Dong should be one of those imo

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I’m not ready to clear Child, there’s some weird moments regarding the slot in Okx’s ISO (remember Child replaced Jess)
I’m leaning VOTE: Jim for now

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Scum have hard bussed and won newbie games before (re: Child)
It wouldn’t be the first time

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JK is stronger than tracker
Don’t do a lunch yet I want to read and share my thoughts in case it’s a mislynch

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Jailkeeper generates innos as quickly as a tracker when there’s only one scum left
Jailkeeper also has a chance to stop the nightkill by hitting either the mafia or the mafia’s Target (though in this case the latter would always have been CJ)
Anyway it’s not that interesting a point except that jailkeeper was objectively the right kill to make

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If the claim is true, and we lynch OkX, we'll be down 2 PRs by D2 since Mafia is probably gonna want to kill Ceejay.

If the claim is true, then Ceejay Jailkeeps OkX, and Okx can get us a confirmed town or not-town on D2. That should help us narrow down possible scum suspects. Also, then we know we have a Mafia Rolecop/Goon combo which means we don't have a Mafia roleblocker to prevent Ceejay/Okx from acting.

Anyway, if anyone wants to counterclaim, please do so. If there is a counterclaim I'll hammer.

This could maybe be cc-fishing

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I’d like a little more time, please
I’m always the nightkill here, so please let me make sure I haven’t missed anything before I go

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UNVOTE:

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Alright upon reread I think I do agree that dong & child are the two we probably shouldn’t lynch ever (along with me and abyssal)

Whoever is in lylo (if lylo happens) please do a reread of the other two slots before voting
I still think muh is townier than Jim but I’ll vote either
Interested to hear more from empire

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I mean if child or dong bussed we just have to accept a loss. There's no way to find out lol

I disagree with this though. Bussing can get caught out by reading carefully
Don’t rush any game day
Scum can still make mistakes, and they’re easier to catch when you don’t rush through a game phase (usually)

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Muh, Jim - do either of you think Child or dongempire might be Mafia?

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I still think it’s VOTE: Jim
His recent read list doesn’t make sense - me and Abyssal should be at the top of anyone’s reads
dongempire is actually a slight possibility here
I now think Child is less likely to be scum than dong

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Even then I think I still just agree scum is in {Jim, lamees, muh}

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I’ll trust other (prob)town and VOTE: muh316 I suppose

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Since no one else has claimed tracker, I have to be the tracker (the jailkeeper and Rolecop flips confirm that there has to be a tracker)
Since I am the tracker, I can say with certainty that Abyssal did not do the nightkill, and since there’s only one mafia and the nightkill happened, that makes Abyssal confirmed town.
Why does the fact that Lamees was on every wagon cause you to scumread her? I don’t see why that’s scummy (indeed, i did the same, and i am confirmed to be a townie)

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Action resolution is described in this post from the mod

Setup Information

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Neapolitan, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Neapolitan, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Neapolitan

Welcome!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Vanilla Townie

or

Not Vanilla Townie

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[Irrelephant11]

Why does the fact that Lamees was on every wagon cause you to scumread her? I don’t see why that’s scummy (indeed, i did the same, and i am confirmed to be a townie)

I was super strong scum reading the two of you since the game began. Since only one of you can be scum at this point, I started considering more recent events surrounding the D1 lynch, N1, and D2.


Also, for real....can anyone confirm the order of night actions, and which actions take precedence over others?

I think you misunderstand my question about Lamees
If I can be on every wagon

and be town

, why can’t Lamees *also* be on every wagon and be town?
It’s not a reason to scumread her in my opinion

[Irrelephant11]

Muh, Jim - do either of you think Child or dongempire might be Mafia?

I would vote for Child before dong, if it came to it.

Really?

[Irrelephant11]

Everyone wanted extra time why?

I wanted it to make sure I could rule out child and dongempire, which I feel is pretty reasonable at this point.

[Irrelephant11]

Muh do you think scum is ever within {child, dongempire}? If so, make he case. If not, you’re our first lynch and we’ll hit scum by process of elimination

[Irrelephant11]

Jim/abyssal/dong please vote muh

[Irrelephant11]

Great job town!
I was townreading muh right up until lynch, so I’m glad I didn’t follow my read on jim there