Newbie 1907 - game over!!

[Elements]

@PvtUrist, green is not a creative colour however it does describe my alignment in this game. Personally I prefer the colour pink

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Hopefully I won't be as much of a liability this time around

I take it you have played before, mind telling me how many times?

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This is my second game of forum mafia. My first was with my university's mafia society.
my avatar would be an axolotl if i can find a picture that fits the size limit

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Also why have people started random voting while we still have over 9 days

[Elements]

Vote: fc

Because you have yet to respond to the first question asked about you

[Elements]

no lynch day 1 = anti-town
I don't think a D1 lynch on people lurking is a good idea due to lack of information gained both about them and about everyone else after they flip. But on future days trying to pull them out of the woodwork is a good idea but pressuring them with a L-2 or even an L-1 if that wouldn't give mafia a win from a mislynch.
I would prefer 2 large wagons over lots of small ones

[Elements]

as for my reads; i think at most only one out of FC and URAP2 are scum from voting patterns and at most only one from Scan, GL and yyotta are scum

[Elements]

unvote: FC

Vote: yyotta

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Vote: fc

Because you have yet to respond to the first question asked about you

@elements can you talk more about why you disliked that he hadnt responded to the question?

It's more that this was my RVS vote so I theoretically could have done whatever but im not a big fan of true random voting so i wanted some small quantity or reasoning behind it

[Elements]

unvote: FC

Vote: yyotta

Explain.

seems pretty self explanitory to me. I said i thought at most one of you two are mafia then changed my vote. I clearly think you are more dodgy than fc.

Also sheep, what does the whole [name]{number} thing mean?

[Elements]

@urap2 town makes slips up all the time

the reasoning i wrote was the reasoning i would've used if i'd voted you. (i wasn't sure who to vote for out of you and yyotta) i clearly messed up who i voted for with the reasoning.
the reasoning is 1)yyotta is my most suspicious out of them, scan and GL and 2) if they flip mafia it gives me two town reads which is better than the one if you flip mafia

[Elements]

And if Elements is indeed scum, his red flip will basically conf!town yyotta because there is no way two scum mess up such a simple interaction as "explain why you voted me" and in the case of scum!elements, it was exactly that which exposed him.

p.edit. Elements, your response doesn't make sense. You were responding to yyotta, and quoting your vote on yyotta. There were a number of indicators outside of your own memory that should have informed you that your vote was on yyotta and not on me.

well whatever i did it was clearly catastrophically wrong. but now you know my reasoning for voting

[Elements]

yyotta's first post involved accusing scantius or being scum, this carried forward for a bit. I have never met anyone who, as their first play, hits on their fellow mafia especially if there is only 2 of them. The risk is just too high. The same reasoning applies for GL and scan
Also GL had already voted fore them so to come in and straight away follow their mafia buddy also would throw suspicion if either of them was found out. Again a bad play for mafia.

[Elements]

GL
Don't
Sheep
Pct
Urap2
Scan
Yyotta
Fc

[Elements]

It explains fc's townread on elements, and why elements put fc at the bottom. VOTE: elements

how does it explain why i put fc at the bottom of a contextless list?

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GL
Don't
Sheep
Pct
Urap2
Scan
Yyotta
Fc

don't = dong
pctt = pvt

if you haddn't figured that out, mobile editing is annoying and hard

[Elements]

It explains fc's townread on elements, and why elements put fc at the bottom. VOTE: elements

how does it explain why i put fc at the bottom of a contextless list?

It might look like you are against fc, but in reality you might just be trying to perform trickery.

so that string of names is the order they appear in the vote count inverted sans my name. It's interesting you found a way to see that as me being scum especially so soon after GL pointed out the possibility that scum could be missing out an opportunity to get a mislynch on me. Could it be you were waiting for more then one suspicious person to vote and then find any reason to join the wagon?

[Elements]

>Elements makes 2 groups of players, saying he believes there is one scum in each group.

I said at

most

one scum in each group. This doesn't mean I've completely disregarded everyone else as possible scum, that would be stupid. It is entirely plausible that none of them are scum.

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and, shock horror, my reads on everyone has changed. I can see the possibility of a {GL, Yyotta} pairing now or even a {pvt, GL} team

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@urap2 other then mmy mistake with the yyotta vote etc why do you scum read me?

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@yyotta are you saying me and scan are the same alignment?

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And what does "Elements is trying to make it look like that only one is scum." Mean?

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Merry Christmas everyone!

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My thoughts on lynching Elements:
Scantius, deal?

are you trying to buy scantius' vote by saying you'll townread them when i flip town? because it certainly looks like that. Or are you are a scum pair and you're "confirming them" as non scum to yourself when I flip town so you can later refer to this when defending them and town reading them?

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My thoughts on lynching Elements:
Suppose Scan is scum, Scan is trying to protect Elements by townreading him. Elements is trying to make it look like that only one is scum. So if Elements is scum, Scan has a huge chance to be the scum partner. But if Elements turns out to be town, we can almost elimanate the possibilities of Scan being scum. Scantius, deal?

are you trying to buy scantius' vote by saying you'll townread them when i flip town? because it certainly looks like that. Or are you are a scum pair and you're "confirming them" as non scum to yourself when I flip town so you can later refer to this when defending them and town reading them?

[Elements]

oops didn't mean to post that twice, my bad

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If everyone prods everyone else there's no excuse

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Elements I like some of the questions you're asking but your vote on Yyotta isn't doing much - is she still your best bet for scum? You're not really pushing that lynch

Yes indeed, yyotta is still my biggest scum read and i can't come up with any good reasoning behind changing it that would either support my defence or potentially uncover more scummy behaviour from others. Hence me keeping it there.

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i would also be fine with changing to the pvt wagon if a lot of people townread yyotta

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did you miss GL's vote change to yyotta?

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Seems like Elements is going to place GL at the top now. He's so excited about GL's vote

I feel think this is some form of trap in which no matter where i place GL yyotta will same something indicative of me being scum

[Elements]

seeing as my vote on yyotta isn't going anywhere and the wagons are just on Pvt and dong

PvtUrist

as i townread dong significantly more due to their intense analysis on Pvt having made very much sense and it having swayed me to their line of thought

[Elements]

vote: PvtUrist

is what i meant

[Elements]

6 town, 1 mafia
Possible Roles left and my thoughts:

Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Neapolitan, Vanilla Townie x 4

Best case scenario; we have 4 confirmed town, one each from the investigative roles and the roles themselves. This leaves 3 people left. One we lynch today, the others are investigated in the night, lynch the maifia on the third day. Possibly good time to reveal
Worst case scenario; both invested sheep then only 2 known town, gives us 5 to work from. Lynch one today, learn a new good person tomorrow as the cost of a known town. 2 lynches and 2 night kills later we have 1 confirmed town but no invest roles anymore. Revealing doesn't seem optimal.
Middle scenario; 1 invested sheep/both invested the same person. We know 3 confirmed town, 4 to lynch from, lynch one today, confirm one tonight, lynch another one tomorrow, one of the ones not investigated, and if we haven't found them yet kill the final one who will be the mafia on the last day. Possibly good time to reveal.
My overall thoughts: If you are the town Neapolitan reveal if you can confirm someone.

Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 4

Best case scenario: Jailkepeper can confirm one other person. We have 2 confirmed town without doctor reveal, 3 with. Jailkeeper can reveal and clear one person today. Because of the doctor they can keep doing this every day until the doctor is killed.
Worst case: Jailed the doctor last night. Same as the first case except the doctor can't reveal to give a bigger base of confirmed town.
My overall thoughts: Jailkeeper reveal and confirm whoever they jailed, Doctor don't reveal and protect them constantly.

Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 4

Same as the Jailkeeper scenario unless sheep was investigated. If sheep wasn't investigated it's the same train of thought.
My overall thoughts: same as above


At this point I think any out of Cop, Neopolitan, Jailor should reveal themselves with their information, if they have any, so we can close this game quickly and concisely. Also, if you are a cop and a neoplitan reveals or vise versa reveal yourself so you don't get investigated.

Before anyone reveals discuss

[Elements]

why are you so adamant about this

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i can't see any way it won't garentee us the win from my logic

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For my first post of today TLDR:

Unless the investigative role/roles we have (jailkeeper included) havn't found and town (impossible for the jailkeeper) we can win through claiming and information whitling it down to 4 unconfirmed people who we can lynch and investigate today, tonight and tomorrow ending the game by, at the longest, day 4

[Elements]

i have a vague objection, I'm town

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even better, if yyotta isn't scum, i can be invested tonight and cleared as town so we can end it faster

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VOTE: vote: yyotta

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really all that needs to happen here is that {GL, DE, Elements, URAP2} have to all agree that the four of us are town.

if we can town bloc we win this game mechanically and it doesn't matter if yyotta gets lynched first or fc or nauci

That is exactly what I was saying with the claiming idea earlier. But claiming has the added benefit of certainty

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UNVOTE:

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there will be no cc's unless mafia want to give up

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why have we just hammered yyotta when they haven't said a single thing this day phase?

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what does ISO mean btw, i keep meaning to ask

[Elements]

VOTE: URAP2 for what I believe are the same reasons Nauci voted URAP2 immediately following a URAP post, plus a little reaction I just got that we can go more into later.

seeing as you just lynched the cop, would now be later enough for you to go into the little reaction you got?

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So who do you think is scum here? Yyotta, really? Maybe I'm being too generous but I, too, shall eat hats if Yyotta is scum.

Heres a novel idea, lynch someone and if we get VT, invest roles have 2 results and its easy game from then. Stay coordinated and there is no way we lose.
Now get back on the yyotta wagon. We need a claim if not a lynch from her. Ok thanks

Fair enough.

VOTE: Yyotta

you seem to go from complete certainty that yyotta is town to voting them for the sake of a claim despite 3 votes already on them and accidentally hammering them. I don't understand why you'd vote them presumably thinking you're putting them to L-1 with your views on there townyness

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Elements for the same reasons as D2 and for coming out swinging at me for accidentally hammering

I think your complete turn around from yyotta being your biggest town read to voting them, hammer or not, is my biggest reason for thinking you're scrum and is also something you haven't explained

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VOTE: foodcoats I'll give the rest of you a trail for later then.

I'm honestly tempted to hammer you just for this idiocy

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VOTE: fc

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gg guys, that was a fun game. DE your complete annihilation of pvt was legendary, although i was half hoping you had done the best scum play in existence .
I look forward to bumping into you all in future games