Prey Mafia - Game Over

[mcqueen]

hello VOTE: Almost50

[mcqueen]

hi again

[mcqueen]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I think this will be here for a while.

Why?

[mcqueen]

hi again

Hola

<3

[mcqueen]

General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

no because the game just started. what effort are you expecting from him this far?

[mcqueen]

Am I missing something

what was this referring to?

Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.

My internet connection is out at home so I was reading this on mobile. I dunno why people actually prefer tiny screens to desktops with keyboards.

There's too many words here :/

rofl

well when I’m tired I can lay down and still browse the thread. Don’t feel like sitting at a laptop/desktop all the time

[mcqueen]

give the man time? we’re two pages in. why are you so desperate to push something that’s hardly there?

[mcqueen]

three pages now*, two at the time of your other post

[mcqueen]

it only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have every intention of nitpicking throughout the game, too

[mcqueen]

Hey mcqueen.

Did you know there's a viable Enter wagon happening

right now

it only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have every intention of nitpicking throughout the game, too

You seem to have pretty strong feelings without dropping a vote. Interesting.

So I’m somehow now required to vote? Lol, I kid.

I just didn’t feel a vote was necessary. I think I got the point across.

Plus, I kind of wanted to spur some interaction between myself and Almost50 for a moment, thus why I kept my RVS vote.

[mcqueen]

i think implosion is kinda townie

==

Would you like to explain why you are making statements (which are far more in opposition of open discussion than asking questions)?

this feels like .... weirdly accusatory and relies on assumptions that i'm not sure are, like, valid
ie you seem to be calling him out for making statements because they are 'far more in oposition of open discussion than asking questions', which is a dubious statement, and you seem to fault him for doing so, and i'm not sure why you are really

==

General lack of effort.

And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

no offense but this doesn't seem like a real thought; accusing someone for general lack of effort when the game has barely started and is on page2 is kinda ridiculous

does this only apply to bef? does anyone else satisfy the criteria for 'general lack of effort?'

==

Chara's 22 but it turns out I did, indeed, miss something.

fair enough, fair enough

==

give the man time? we’re two pages in. why are you so desperate to push something that’s hardly there?

Why? It only takes a few posts for someone to indicate they have no intention of scum hunting.

uh no? people can enjoy rvs and meme a bit for a few posts and become serious later on? i would actually argue that rvs posts are not particularly indicative for long-term gamesolving efforts
it is for some people obviously, but i don't think that two rvs posts consisting of literally the first post in the game and saying 'hi' to someone else on the first couple of pages really belies a lack of intent to scumhunt, and i think it's kinda misleading/straw-man-y/idk the right word to present bef's posts in this fashion

==

mcqueen is kinda townie too
have you often played with a50?

nope, I’ve heard great things about them (Chara, too), so I wanted to potentially get a conversation going.

[mcqueen]

Does A50 usually claim early?
Also don't understand the Enter wagon at all.

pretty sure two of the votes were RVS. it seems like everyone here is just in a rush to get out of RVS, which is understandable, but at the same time, like chill it’ll happen soon enough lol.

[mcqueen]

why?

[mcqueen]

does anyone else satisfy the criteria for 'general lack of effort?'

Yep. We'll get to them later. You seem like you're building a case. Wanna drop a vote?

Also in the post where you place your vote, please also talk about misrepping me by pretending my first question was serious when I already said it wasn't.

Why does everyone that builds a case, no matter how big or small, have to place a vote?

[mcqueen]

I thought he was a newbie being too tryhardy. BUT, I'm in a hood with him (also Papa and Fish) and from interactions there I don't think that's valid.

I don't know why, but I keep thinking this is an Open game. It's not, and this is interesting. I've never been in a Neighborhood and I really want to be

[mcqueen]

Why not?

Because calling someone out doesn't always necessarily warrant a vote.

I just don't understand why you've now asked two people for a vote, when your wagon is already at 4, which, although not close to lynch, is a sizable amount for 4 pages.

[mcqueen]

Fine, if you want it that bad, you can have it.

VOTE: Enter

L-2

[mcqueen]

Why does everyone that builds a case, no matter how big or small, have to place a vote?

It helps later with VCA.

also, yeah this is a good reply. you’re town for now

[mcqueen]

That’s L-1 btw

[mcqueen]

@Percy:

I haven't played enough recently

Does this phrasing tell you he's a newbie or an old player with a new alt?

It came up in the hood. It's an alt. He's tr1ckster, aka extrapolated eagle. I saw that he replaced into a newbie slot in a newbie game, but that's allowed if no real newbie replacements are available.

OK, so your voting him because he's NOT a newbie? In other words, you would have given him some slack had he been a newbie, but you're not accepting his play as an experienced player?

Spoiler: @ Percy

I am asking because your vote and reasoning behind it matter to me more than otherd at this time (early game). I fon't know Papa Zito that well, and tossing a coin would give me better results on implosion than my own reads. BEF is impulsive. I don't understand mqueens vote, and I asked before Varsoon had voted Enter. So, the only one I can actually get an explanation from is you.

Pf course, I could go with "there's no resistance to the wagon" to try and defend Enter, but I'd be a hypocrite because I actually do NOT have a read on Enter, and because early flash-wagons have netted us scum at least twice before (iirc those were games with Mathdino), so I;m neither for nor against the wagon on Enter.. until I get to understand it (ir until he gives me something to sink my teeth into).

So..

@Everyone voting Enter (aside from Percy, obviously): Please ISO him and let me know which post(s) make him a good lynch to you.

Sorry for the big block quote, I was answering this as my laptop died (I’m on mobile now). Literally any of his posts where he shades BEF for not doing anything, like 2 pages in.

[mcqueen]

mcqueen's run-up to his vote is also a bit weird. And I don't see how he's calling Persivul town in 89.

I liked the reply. It’s not amazing, but early on it just seemed directly genuine. (No beating around the bush) Obviously it’s still early, but what’s wrong with that giving me town vibes for the moment?

I was hesitant to vote but people kept hounding me for not doing so. It was a bit awkward, but I decided to throw my vote out there.

[mcqueen]

mcqueen's run-up to his vote is also a bit weird. And I don't see how he's calling Persivul town in 89.

I liked the reply. It’s not amazing, but early on it just seemed directly genuine. (No beating around the bush) Obviously it’s still early, but what’s wrong with that giving me town vibes for the moment?

I was hesitant to vote but people kept hounding me for not doing so. It was a bit awkward, but I decided to throw my vote out there.

I mean it’s clear I was pushing Enter, regardless, so the vote doesn’t mean much right now. As skitter said, it’s still very early. Had he not already had multiple votes on him, I may have been quicker to place one.

[mcqueen]

UNVOTE:

Can you explain what makes a wagon relevant
'cus I'd say yours being at L-2 when I voted made it incredibly relevant.
I still don't know why a lot of people started voting you, but apparently you're in a neighborhood? Does that have to do with it?

@Chara: Why not A50, who threatened to hammer?
Feels like you might be tilting a bit much here.
I still don't understand why Enter's wagon flew up to L-2 so fast, but Enter seeming to have hard dodged that made me want to put real pressure there. I trusted we wouldn't have a Boonskies situation and see a quickhammer.

i mean A50 did say his intent to hammer was a joke, so there’s that.

[mcqueen]

although I would also like to hear what makes a wagon relevant in Enter’s eyes.

[mcqueen]

y’all think there is scum in the neighborhood? is that usually the case? sorry, like I said i’ve never been in one and I’m not sure I’ve been in a game that had one at all.

[mcqueen]

i mean, there is certainly the possibility. i’m not sure what you’ve said in your PT, but if you’re not masons, my initial intuition would be to trust no one. as you develop reads in the game, it’s possible to rule people out, but still be careful as to what information you give up. basically the same as the main thread, lol.

[mcqueen]

Is it "fashionably late" if both the term and trueness of it is at least a decade and a half out of style?
As far as bailing on wagons goes, well one person doing so is fine, as L-1 is pretty dangerous. But at a safer L-2, why did you unvote, Varsoon? Could have let some of that pressure linger a bit.
@mcqueen, are you usually sparse with your votes? I'm not exactly trigger happy myself but RVS is RVS, and if you have a halfway decent reason to vote anyway, why not? Are you unsure of something?
also, with so many people in the neighborhood, there is almost definitely at least one scum (or possible other faction), unless the mod just wanted to mess with us.

I mean I tend to vote as necessary. I made an RVS vote. I just chose to be sparse because, to reiterate, it was clear who I was pressuring. Is the point of a vote, if not to lynch, to apply pressure? If that’s already there, is a vote obligatory?

[mcqueen]

I might just be projecting the way I think about reads on mcqueen thinking about it more.

I'm not sure if skitter feels as town as she's supposed to yet? I thought I might have not been able to read her early but I townread her in my second post last game. I think I understand most of where her sentiments are coming from.

i’m not sure I understand the first sentence. it’s the way it’s worded. Can you rephrase, please?

[mcqueen]

A50 hasn't claimed yet, so he's probably 3P.

A50 hasn't claimed but he has most likely crumbed his role in such a way that none of our feeble minds can see it right now.

That's

V

ery

T

rue.

I’m actually an ascetic bulletproof lynchproof survivor.

[mcqueen]

you lost me at non-weak Hider

[mcqueen]

Persivul needs to be lynched for calling Zito Papa.

Enter should do something besides try to accrue votes because i'm townreading his entire behaviour, but i also don't find it useful at all to actually catching scum. if we're talking about fostering meaningful discussion, having a single wagon is about as boring as it will get.

why are you townreading Enter’s behavior?

[mcqueen]

To people not taking this seriously, please put me back at L-1. I'd prefer if my wagon consisted of skitter, Varsoon, implosion, McQueen, and Robert2424, but losers can't be choosers, so I'll take what I can get.

no

UNVOTE:

i’ve never seen someone beg for votes as much. maybe his strategy really is to get us to unvote. congratulations, it worked.

[mcqueen]

To people not taking this seriously, please put me back at L-1.

Yes people, put him back there. The histrionics have become annoying.

don’t do it

[mcqueen]

I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.

question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?

maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?

[mcqueen]

I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.

question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?

maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?

Having a vote is a huge responsibility man
I wanna see how much I can do without a vote.

Why do you wanna know?

I didn't see the point in voluntarily giving up power. After I posted it, I realized it probably triggers some other power, so if you're going to go voteless a day, D1 makes the most sense.

didn’t think of this, was also questioning why he’d want to go voteless.

[mcqueen]

I can render myself voteless for the day, yeah.
When I was discussing my PM with the mod, I said I wanted to do it for D1 but since I never sent the action in specifically, he hadn't counted it and now it's been retroactively applied.

question; so if at any point during the day you choose to make yourself votesless, any prior votes by you are rendered null?

maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?

Nah, I have to decide before the day begins.
And I fail to see how it's manipulative when I told you outright on D1 this is how my ability works.

P-EDIT:
@Chara: Howso (re: Enter Tilt)?
I wanna know why you're confident in Enter being town here. I don't get why the wagon exists or why anyone would hard-town Enter here either.

No I meant it’s manipulative if you could choose at any point during the day to activate it

[mcqueen]

also which game are you referring to?
also why are you townreading chara?

Diffusion of power.
I liked the questions it was asking/general method of interacting with the game. The read is not especially strong.

thanks, i was blanking on the game i played iwth town!you
i've not seen much ai from chara yet imo, that's why i was asking

==

Hmm... it's almost like I goaded people into voting me and then I wasn't surprised when they did.

why is this a thing that your'e doing tho?
also why are you townreading red tea?

==

Anyway, it did get people to react as if I had put an RVS flash-wagon at L-1 so it worked as (sort of) a reaction test. Dunno what that says about Chara and Enter, though.

i didn't like the lol-l1 (coupled with you disliking how fast the wagon built), but it makes slightly more sense in this context

==

Listen, mate. I'm crazy and I know it. I am also paranoid in this game. It thus gives me strange ideas why you said that. Iirc, Varsoon is Voteless, so theoretically you may have been informed that a player in the setup is and was wondering if that was me. OF COURSE I could be way off the mark, but I'm just being transparent about my thoughts (something you will rarely see me doing at all)

i think you might be scum here tbh

==

maybe I’m overreacting, but does this not sound very manipulative, especially late game?

how do you think it's manipulative?

See above.

If he could change mid day, he could vote and then take it away and someones planning to hammer and be like “lolsike” just seems like a way to bait people like he did today. This isn’t the case, though, again, see above

[mcqueen]

inb4 he repeats “whats in the hood, stays in the hood”

[mcqueen]

i mean that’s not necessarily wrong, but making pushes and/or saying “i’ll tell you later” over and over kinda is.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Fish
this is more fun, actually. for 48 and the next three posts in his ISO.

i see why you think this, but it’s something i’d probably never notice on my own. hmm.

I’ll go back and check but Off memory I’m not sure what softclaim you’re referring to.

[mcqueen]

why wouldn't you notice it on your own, if you see what i'm seeing? what are you thinking i'm thinking about it?
Varsoon and i had a short chat about the softclaim.

Here are the quotes:

General lack of effort. And gut reasons that I don't fully have words for yet. Want to join me?

Lack of effort?

I'm just giddy to see how you explain this.

Are we scum buddies bussing each other or something. I'm lost.

Do you see how they're almost bait-like in tone, or maybe more accurately they sound like *trying* to be town. When I read these posts in thread (/not in ISO), they seemed fine alone. BEF was engaging with Enter. But, when they are put in ISO, it's like BEF isn't asking or expecting much from Enter in the first place. Like, I'm not sure I would raise a red-flag until you said something. It's not exactly something I'd be looking for in an ISO this early in the game.

Thus, I'm not entirely sure I agree. BEF is null for me right now.

[mcqueen]

As the neighborhood seems to serve little purpose, I suggest we simply don't use it so that there's no confusion about what's being said where.

lol

[mcqueen]

^that’s kind of a prodge, not really up to reading even the 3 pages I’m behind right now. Will do it tomorrow

[mcqueen]

As the neighborhood seems to serve little purpose, I suggest we simply don't use it so that there's no confusion about what's being said where.

?

[mcqueen]

also i think 53 is kinda townie. i'm not really getting a projection of confidence, it feels kinda townie to me; i also don't really see baiting here

Alone this (BEF's 53) post seems NAI to me. In ISO, I get where Chara was coming from.

[mcqueen]

Sorry I got a little excited haven't played mafia from the start in a while.

If I could lynch three people right now it would be BEF, Robert2424, Pers

In that order.

Why Robert?

[mcqueen]

Sorry I got a little excited haven't played mafia from the start in a while.

If I could lynch three people right now it would be BEF, Robert2424, Pers

In that order.

Why Robert?

I'm in the middle of a very-slow catch-up, so maybe this has been addressed already and/or it was obvious at the time of your posting. It's just helpful if you could re-iterate your reasoning, thanks.

[mcqueen]

From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength with His Majesty the King on most everything, which scares me a little bit.

Sorry, but is this a reference to someone in this game?

[mcqueen]

@BEF

I want to know if you feel comfortable playing scum.

I know you already asked him once, and I'm not gonna call you scummy for it, but part of me hates these types of questions. It's just an obvious attempt at a set-up, if not now, later in the game.

[mcqueen]

ok time to catch up for real. Some quotes will be from page 10 again because I've read it about 3 times trying to make sure I didn't pass by anything.

Here.

ok, here is my synapsis

Player X: Which of you is scum?

Me: Why must one of us be scum.

Enter: Hey, I found scum
(Proceeds to vote me in Game Thread)

Me: You really SR for that?

Enter: No, I will tunnel you for reactions.

Enter: Yay, chara agrees with me, I can die happy.

Remember this is a paraphrase.

I got a little "off" vibes from BEF's post you quoted, but I'm not going to jump the gun and say he's worried. Actually, I'd prefer to assume he

wasn't

, and push you for saying he

is or was

. BEF was giving context here as to Enter's pushing of him, and I fail to see why that makes him "worried."

I don't like "why must one of be scum," however, because it's likely there's a scum in a 4 (or 5?; I forgot how many are in it) person neighborhood.

[mcqueen]

i think redtea is kinda scummy tbh

can you explain why? I'll ISO him after I'm done, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts

[mcqueen]

From what I can tell I'm on the same wavelength with

His Majesty the King

on most everything, which scares me a little bit.

sorry, who is this?

That's Persivul's title.

I feel kinda dumb for not piecing this together (I asked, too).

[mcqueen]

I could go for a flashwagon on a50. None of his posts yet have really made me feel anything at all.

same

[mcqueen]

also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn

Why not? I'll admit I don't agree with them initially, but when I go back and read I always see where it comes from.

[mcqueen]

i could flashwagon a50, sure

VOTE: a50

And I could OMGUS, sure

VOTE: skitter

I liked Almost50's early play (his ISO has a few good, content-filled posts), but other than that I just find him messing around and it leans me towards scummy.

[mcqueen]

i could flashwagon a50, sure

VOTE: a50

And I could OMGUS, sure

VOTE: skitter

i am extremely uninterested in both of these wagons.

uninterested in skitter's, but I'd jump on A50's as of page 12

[mcqueen]

we suspect the other person outside the neighborhood is the other scum

So I'm reading this as Enter somehow knowing there are 2 scum in the game.

Am I nuts

no ur not nuts

[mcqueen]

also i think 53 is kinda townie. i'm not really getting a projection of confidence, it feels kinda townie to me; i also don't really see baiting here

Alone this (BEF's 53) post seems NAI to me. In ISO, I get where Chara was coming from.

Devil's advocate: Chara switched her scum read because she wanted to be amiable => townread.

? When did Chara switch her scumread on BEF (or are you talking about someone else)? What/who is the "=> townread" referring to?

[mcqueen]

Ok I’m caught up now.

5 am and can’t sleep :/

Gonna leave this here VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[mcqueen]

VC 1.10

[2] Robert2424:

Papa Zito, Persivul

[2] redtea:

skitter30, implosion

[1] Almost50:

redtea

[1] Enter:

BrightEyedFish

[1] redtea:

Robert2424

[1] skitter30:

minhyukwithagun

[1] Persivul:

Enter

[1] minhyukwithagun:

Chara

[1] skitter30:

Almost50

[2] Not Voting:

Varsoon, mcqueen

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-02-01 18:00:00)

Mod Note:

Replacing minhyukwithagun.

Spoiler:

@Mod: redtea and skitter are listed twice. Can you update this so it show the correct amount of votes on each wagon? Thanks!

Thank you, fixed.

[mcqueen]

@mcqueen: I'm gonna say something stupid and likely to hit you as scummy, but I will say it anyway: I don't want to lynch BEF regardless of his alignment. I've seen him lynched early often enough as either alignment I'd actually want him to be alive a bit longer in this game (as long as he doesn't fake claim or fake guilty anyone)

No let’s lynch him quickly

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Elbirn

[mcqueen]

BEF, why didn’t you react to my vote on you earlier?

[mcqueen]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

I’ve grown a bit antsy with my vote as opposed to early game. Let’s hope it sticks this time

[mcqueen]

BEF, why didn’t you react to my vote on you earlier?

What was there to react to?

A somewhat blind vote?

[mcqueen]

I guess I’m overexaggerated how ‘blind’ I thought I was being; I agreed with Chara’s push of you earlier. I felt enough time had past that if I came in and made a vote paired with nothing else, you’d at least make mention of it.

The same with Elbirn, but it seems they haven’t been back since my vote. I still need to finish reading the lat couple pages, but from what I did read, I didn’t think he was scum. My vote on him was a reaction to sorting me as “I’m uncomfortable and he doesn’t like me” and I wanted his (counter?) reaction to me placing a vote on him.

[mcqueen]

BEF, why didn’t you react to my vote on you earlier?

What was there to react to?

A somewhat blind vote?

Ok. I'll bite.

Why the blind vote?

But you asking now kinda defeats the purpose. Your reaction isn’t genuine; it’s just a response to me prodding you about it.

[mcqueen]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

[mcqueen]

Varsoon why did you go voteless? Can you remind us? Like if you’re town what sense does that make

I’m looking for more than “I wanted to test it”

gonna offer some responses in a little while

[mcqueen]

People of planet Earth, I've finished reading the thread.

And I've decided that I have neither the time nor the willpower to do some wall of text that no one will read or really care about, and that picking over events of the past that I wasn't even involved in won't help the way that being current and playing the game will, and bla bla bla you're getting a reads list and some general stream of consciousness thoughts and that is all and you will all

love it

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town
Papa Zito
Chara
implosion
skitty

scum
enter
redtea

I feel nothing
persivul
a50

queasy
mcqueen
varsoon


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1. Enter's voting for BEF was far too confident and in general he says/does things that don't vibe with me, or just don't make sense. EX, everything he's said on the subject of neighborhoods had me like "what in tarnation is this". I'm considering that this is a playstyle thing because apparently no one else vibes with this boy either. Is he lynchbait? More at 11.

2. Mcqueen makes me uncomfortable but I haven't formulated a rational reason why. I just don't like him.

3. Varsoon is scummy but I always think he's scummy it's literally a living meme

4. BEF exists in a nebulous realm below town but above feeling nothing, and I only took him out of my town list because I read Chara describe his reaction to Enter's vote as awkward/bad and then I felt self conscious about being wrong and removed him. *emphatic nodding*

5. If you're in the town list you're my super duper best friends and I'm never lynching you my little lovelies

6. Redtea is scum. She uses many words to say nothing and is eerily fixated on catching 3P which is the oldest scumtell in the book.

VOTE: RedTea

So you’re still unsure of Enter in this post and your one before it, yet he’s in your scum pile. Interesting

[mcqueen]

Honestly I don't like that your reads seem to boil down to : "I don't feel good" and I'd really like more explanations on everything, because what you've got is pretty lacking, but I'll be nice and start with specifics.

Please explain your implosion town read.

Also your chara town read.

Why are/were implosion and Chara not town? Especially Chara?

[mcqueen]

Enter, what makes you so sure RedTea is town here
Are ya'll secret-fakeSons too?

I went over it earlier, some of it has to do with stuff in the hood.

But in essence, yes.

and your scum read on redtea is... she's too verbose? Ouch.

My scumread isn't because she's "verbose", that's not what I said. It's because she is talking a lot, but she is not saying anything. Which is a very different thing.

Honestly I don't like that your reads seem to boil down to : "I don't feel good" and I'd really like more explanations on everything, because what you've got is pretty lacking, but I'll be nice and start with specifics.

Please explain your implosion town read.

Also your chara town read.

Nah lol, I play by sense of smell and I've given you gold considering I just got here. Implosion and Chara are both visibly townie folk. Thats it. Reading them gave me good feelings in my tummy.

And as for you, I was trying to give you some benefit of the doubt in my reads, actually, and that you turned that into a vote on me is like what are you doing? It's kind of exactly my problem with you when I say we don't ~vibe~, I can't tell if your reads are bad and all of your hot-takes are bad because you're scum, or if you're just really enthusiastically and aggressively wrong. Maybe I'm not correct to think this way but I townread people who come to similar conclusions and when other players don't have my conclusions I'm then wondering why their thought process is so different from mine. Reading you in this thread thus far has consisted of me scratching my head and wondering what planet you hail from, and whether our differences are alignment based or play style based.

Sense of smell = I don't feel good

But whatever. I don't think it's playstyle I think we're aligned differently. Also if you read me from earlier, the only reason I said not to vote you was cuz your slot wasn't active, and now your slot is active, so I don't feel bad putting my vote on you. Especially because you keep reading the wrong people as town.

Still, if you would explain why you think Implosion is town, I'd be a big fan of you doing that, because I don't necessarily see what he's done at all.

i think redtea is kinda scummy tbh

can you explain why? I'll ISO him after I'm done, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts

i did already

also i'm not really vibing the chara townreads rn

Why not? I'll admit I don't agree with them initially, but when I go back and read I always see where it comes from.

nothing they did really feels ai tbh? or like out of their scumrange? they haven't done anything that townie or hard for scum to fake imo and they agree that most of the things they've done are not ai so like i don't get why people are townreading them

i don't like their last few votes and i'm not sure i explicitly scumread them but i don't get what there is to townread them either

==

how is Almost asking me a fair question him pushing me? he was right.

idk
feels like a bad post, don't think i can explain better than i did already really.
feels kinda like he's defending and/or wk'ing minhyu and i don't know why that's happening

ugh. ms ate my post. tonight isn't my night. i'll continue that thought tomorrow. the tl;dr is i'm back townleaning Minyu but i'm not happy about it. and that skitter is still towny.

wait why are you back at town!minhyu?

==

varsoon feels weird.
idk if that's ai at all but just thought i'd mention it

==

although slightly weirded out by him sheeping me on redtea like that tbh

why is that?

him sheeping me on a50 kinda made sense because he had asked for a flashwagon prior to that and then i voted and he followed me there. but i guess once i decided i didn't want to do that i'm not sure why his vote followed mine again? so i guess it kinda surprised me because i wasn't aware that he was townreading me strongly enough and/or scumreading redtea enough to sheep me like that?

==

@a50 how are you reading me?

==

hi elbirn!

i think you might be town
why are you townreading papa zito?

==

So, your scum read on me is... playstyle doesn't vibe...

and your scum read on redtea is... she's too verbose? Ouch.

Please point out where she's 3p hunting.

I gotta admit, I wasn't a fan of your predecessor (not really posting anything at all, tbh), and the fact that you entered and your reasons are all made up and your reads don't matter doesn't make me like you any more.

VOTE: Elbirn

1. the 3p thing has been mentioned by implosion already (and i maybe did too? i definitely noticed ti but id on't remember if i explicitly brought it up)

2. i don't know why you're not scumreading and/or voting me for voting redtea when i'm also pushing her and brought up the verbose/not-actually-saying-anything point like eight pages ago

==

I was hoping to comment this earlier but, the repeated mentioning of a third party was mostly an "open to possibilities" thing that I only took into serious consideration trying to get a read on a50. By that point I'd already brought it up a few times, so it does feel like I'm repeating myself.
Of course mentioning this doesn't change my standing.

Sorry for the nothing post, I'll have to come back to all this later today.
@Elbirn I understand the Chara read but could you explain implosion a bit?

i mean yeah but like we don't know whether or not this game has a 3p or anything and you've brought up 3p hunting repeatedly and it's kinda strange

==

VOTE: Elbirn

?? why

@2nd response to me (regarding Chara): I just feel like they’ve made decent contributions enough to warrant a townread on D1 here. Maybe I’m being a little overzealous with the read, my concern is I’m being pocketed, but for now Chara remains near the top of my townlost (under you), especially when everyone else in this game is scummy and/or (seemingly) town by mechanics (Enter, Varsoon).

@My Elbirn Vote: wanted to engage with him directly. His read on me felt weird, so I thought I’d spur discussion. He didn’t respond by the time I wanted to move my vote back to BEF.

[mcqueen]

^both those replies are for skitter. I’m on mobile; disregard the Enter quote.

[mcqueen]

@a50 how are you reading me?

I'm not. Reading you is easier on D2/D3, so why should I bother giving it a real shot today? And besides, I'm busy decorating my grave and stuffing my seat in the dead thread with lots of fresh potato chips and apple juice to enjoy watching the rest of the game.

P.S. If you're specidically referring to my vote being still on you, I've explained earlier that there's nothing wrong in being lazy to unvote when I don't have a new voting target to push and your wagon being literally a vanity wagon with just one vote on you (unless my voting powers are proportional with my age, in which case I should always be a double to you or even treble voter to someone like Creature).

The top part of this post makes me want to lynch you

[mcqueen]

According to my own personal stats elbrin is scum for being the 3rd person on the redtea wagon and I TR redtea, so...

VOTE: Elbrin

Anyone else find this vote weird?

[mcqueen]

My initial reaction was genuine in the fact that I felt your blind vote didn't warrant a reaction and that apparently wasn't enough for you.

Also, maybe I’m pushing too hard, but this feels weird, too. It’s so confrontational, yet so anti-confrontational at the same time.

[mcqueen]

Vote Mcqueen

Policy.

Policy for what? Inactivity (as mentioned later, I started reading out of order)? Why not say that here?

iirc you haven’t been super active yourself? Maybe that’s my own inactivity talking

[mcqueen]

Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.

Well pair this with my above response. How? Naked votes, especially at daystart where I love to use them, are a perfect way of grabbing someone’s attention and often forcing them to engage. How is that necessarily scummy?

[mcqueen]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

i still don't get scum!bef (even in his exchange with you right here he's pretty townie imo) and i don't get why this is coming back again really

What has he done in the way of confronting others? He was very submissive to Enter’s early push, he acted the same towards me. He said he feels more comfortable/likes playing town better (can I interchange this with “confident?”), and he doesn’t seem very clmfortable/confident in this game.

[mcqueen]

can we try to consolidate wagons please given that deadlines in like four days?
ie if you're sitting on a vanity wagon of 2 people or less can you explain why other people should join your wagon?

Because BEF is scum

[mcqueen]

i would probably vote bef at deadline over a no lynch but i don't really want to
not really interested in elbirn rn

Remind me who else besides redtea you are interested in?

[mcqueen]

I went voteless because I wanted to.
I already told everyone why--asking me to share more is like trying to get blood from a stone.
Yeah, there might be more to what going voteless does for me mechanically, but if you keep digging, I'm going to think you're fishing rather than just questioning something odd.
We can hit majority easily enough without my vote. If it is a concern in the future, I'll be able to get my vote back, don't worry.

Ok thanks. I forgot there might be more mechanically to your role. I just thought you were some voteless townie which would make absolutely 0 sense why you’d ever use it.

Idk, I thought about it a bit, and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a voteless scum member. It’s totally possible, but I lean town on Varsoon for now for that reason.

[mcqueen]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

And do you think I faked something?

Yes.

[mcqueen]

Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.

Lol

[mcqueen]

Skitter, when motherfuckers are clearly rolefishing, it's not 'threatening a scumread' it's me being like, "There is no town reason to know this info. Stop."
If I need to be that blunt about it, then there you go.

You announced that you were voteless unprovoked and that brings questions and suspicions from town and scum. If you chose not to announce we would have probably picked up on you being voteless from the VCs.

So Your reaction to people questioning your claim comes across as unneeded AtE. At least that's the issue I'm having.

The VCs had to be fixed though. I mean, sucky situation for him if he were to not try to out that he’s votelesss. Also sucks that part of his role was basically confirmed, too, but mistakes happen

[mcqueen]

@Mod: V/LA until Friday, please. Uni starts this week

Will most likely still be on, this is just precautionary.

Noted.

[mcqueen]

Yeah because you’re scum and I thought you’d try to fake something.

And do you think I faked something?

Yes.

What do you think I faked?

The no response. Go skim your Overkill 2 ISO. That’s what I did. You were town there, and much more confrontational. Here, while you’ve replied, it feels like you do so begrudingly.

[mcqueen]

*begrudgingly ? however it’s spelled

[mcqueen]

I’ll ISO you here again tomorrow if I have the time, as most of this is from memory, but I’m not seeing the similarities to your tone here and your tone there.

[mcqueen]

Why not be proactive and address people yourself? Instead of waiting for someone to address you

[mcqueen]

My reasoning was his inactivity.

McQueen has the most posts in the thread. Why are you still voting him?

I find this hilarious

[mcqueen]

to be fair, mcqueen, I can't recall a single one of your posts or stances.

this is more fair. i respond 1:1 for most posts because of mobile, so my post count is inflated. However, I’ve made it it clear that I think BEF is scum. Chara’s a townread, as are you and skitter. Elbirn I’m null on atm. imp was a townread, but I’m not as sure anymore. Rest are basically null and/or slight leans.

[mcqueen]

You and I don't see eye to eye on BEF.
What do you think makes him scum?
I just finished a towngame with him so my meta there is a bit fresh.

Can you link this game?

[mcqueen]

you think his play here is similar to that game?

[mcqueen]

that's not rhetorical btw, I would like your input

[mcqueen]

Can all 5 of you sitting on a vanity wagon, like, not be?

well i havent read the last 8-10 pages, but when the main wagons look shite, no i wont not

[mcqueen]

got some time to read. i know deadline is close. but first-

Voting a not-scumread isn't a tactic of mine so it strikes me as odd that you did this. What did you expect me to do in response?

Well, you came in quite loudly, so I expected something of a similar magnitude.

[mcqueen]

A50, why do you have a vote parked on skitter?

this. if not explained, please do. last i checked (last night), it was still there. now that's a vanity wagon that deserves to be moved off of.

[mcqueen]

Right now it's just gut reads and speculation.

The trouble I'm having is giving someone a solid TR. I've Re read the game and practically everyone gives me reason to pause. I'm still in the process of sifting through the ISOs and weighing my opinions.

I'm not voting you rn because I SR Elbirn more. If I see his flip it will help me make connections

can i get townread plz

[mcqueen]

What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?

Why are Zito and A50 your top two townreads? They haven't done much?

[mcqueen]

What makes you scumread Elbirn so hard?

And, really, a hesitation to townread any slot--can you go more into that? Even players like Zito and A50?

I want to think players like that could be Town but then WIFOM comes into play and I hesitate. My reads smoothen out as the days progress but right now I can't rule anyone out as Town or Scum.

pro tip I learned from my pre-ban days: learn to formulate

some

reads (obviously, there will always be a few that are hard to place) and stick with them as much as possible. if they become scummy, that's fine, but be rather sticky. if you're wrong, that's fine, you'll learn what you saw that wasn't indicative of scum, and what to look for in the future to find them. if you're right, well then great, you are now a very good player.

(However, don't be too tunnelly)

[mcqueen]

@a50 how are you reading me?

I'm not. Reading you is easier on D2/D3, so why should I bother giving it a real shot today? And besides, I'm busy decorating my grave and stuffing my seat in the dead thread with lots of fresh potato chips and apple juice to enjoy watching the rest of the game.

P.S. If you're specidically referring to my vote being still on you, I've explained earlier that there's nothing wrong in being lazy to unvote when I don't have a new voting target to push and your wagon being literally a vanity wagon with just one vote on you (unless my voting powers are proportional with my age, in which case I should always be a double to you or even treble voter to someone like Creature).

The top part of this post makes me want to lynch you

You don't like potato chips?

I love potato chips. Why are you so focused on the dead thread and putting off reads until tomorrow if you're alive?

[mcqueen]

Alright I don't think I understand your last paragraph in post 533 then
Players having an unwarranted fixation for 3P on D1 does tilt info knowledge that's not readily available for town, so I can at least understand why Elbirn would scumread/want to pressure that.

I got the sense that there might be more than 2 factions by reading my Role PM maybe redtea got the same vibe. Perhaps if elbirn had a town role pm he might understand that.

finna lift my vote for this post. took me too long to understand what the crap it meant.

idk, this doesn't seem faked and it's pointing that BEF is town (or unlikely, but potentially 3P, which is why he would townread redtea for asking about it)

UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

P.sure Xtoxm also hates multiball like I do.

[mcqueen]

Aha. That answers it for me, thanks.


I have 3 good scumreads and a Super Secret Pocket Scumread + a handful of good townreads, this is gr8.

mind sharing?

[mcqueen]

I'm too busy to play right now but I promise I care ahhhhh

AHHHHHHHH

same bro

[mcqueen]

it struck me as townie actually - like i kinda understand his pov: your vote on him didn't matter. you said it was wierd that he didn't react, so when you prompted him he asked you about it, and then you said his response was scummy
like yeah i kinda get why he's frustrated in that exchange because you found him scummy whatever he did
i don't know if he's not being confrontational so much as he just doesn't care about your push on him, which is kinda townie imo
and he did pushback on enter's push

i was/am kinda locked in on him being scum so the lens i read his posts through atm is biased. i'm trying to retract that.

[mcqueen]

a50's still pretty scummy
i wouldn't object to a push on varsoon or persivul
i'm kinda losing my implosion townread, never really got a chara townread
i don't know if i actually want to lynch any of those people rn tho

oh and robert too. i'd switch there at deadline probably

ok. i'm open to varsoon, persivul, implosion in that order. robert as a PL if none of those work.

of course, i'm exluding bef here, as i just unvoted.

[mcqueen]

Aha. That answers it for me, thanks.


I have 3 good scumreads and a Super Secret Pocket Scumread + a handful of good townreads, this is gr8.

Wanna share with the class?

I don't think it makes sense to do so at this point.

bruh. share ur reads.

[mcqueen]

a50's still pretty scummy
i wouldn't object to a push on varsoon or persivul
i'm kinda losing my implosion townread, never really got a chara townread
i don't know if i actually want to lynch any of those people rn tho

oh and robert too. i'd switch there at deadline probably

ok. i'm open to varsoon, persivul, implosion in that order. robert as a PL if none of those work.

of course, i'm exluding bef here, as i just unvoted.

actually, switch implosion and persivul. that/this list also only includes people you explicitly mentioned, and i excluded people i am definitely not voting for today.

[mcqueen]

Sure, I'd be happy to!

*FTFY

[mcqueen]

jokes. but why wont you share any of them?

[mcqueen]

@598 and it's almost time for class. will finish later

[mcqueen]

jokes. but why wont you share any of them?

You literally quoted my response to this question.

why is now not a good time

[mcqueen]

Chara what are your reads?

[mcqueen]

checking in. Will do my best to catch up tomorrow. I did skim a bit and I agree BEF is likely town.

[mcqueen]

possible prodge and I will try to get to this later tonight. Sorry, I’ve been busy with school and lazy in my downtime.

[mcqueen]

Me, PZ and Persivul are the only ones left in the hood, which seems to be locked now.

VOTE: Persivul

Is this confirmable? I recall reading enter or someone else stating that the hood did not have a members list in the op. Could others have been listening in?

Thought enter and red tea were hinting at masons when I changed course.. This is much worse

I didn't equate Enter's "oh wait I have info on redtea" to them being Lovers, but it's not

impossible

scum did without being in the Neighborhood. Although, as I'm sure you've all already done, pressuring those in the Neighborhood is a good place to start.

[mcqueen]

i don’t know how you still have a town read on me when i haven’t done anything today. tomorrow I have a lot of downtime. I promise I’ll read up and give my thoughts. Sorry for active lurking

[mcqueen]

Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.

@BEF: What makes you positive scum's in your hood and didn't just, y'know, shoot one of the people in the hood to make people think that shit?

i mean, for them to have lucked out on a lover kill seems slightly implausible to me. not impossible, just not super likely
like killing redtea last night without knowledge of the lover thing is kinda .... a really really really dumb kill given the two wagons yesterday

killing enter is slightly more plausible to me, but not much

this

[mcqueen]

Not the varsoon quote, on mobile my bad

[mcqueen]

Also, I didn't expect two motherfuckers to die, so I'm still without a vote today, so we'll need literally everyone on a scum wagon to get a lynch, so get your shit together.

... is this like an every day thing? because if we're on evens your lack of vote kinda makes things difficult

yeah idk what his ability his, but him going voteless is already getting on my nerves

[mcqueen]

@chara does the hated go away in lylo?

i’m pretty sure it does.

[mcqueen]

That shit just stinks like a red herring to me.

What does?

[mcqueen]

like why do scum shoot in the hood if they don't know there are lovers in it

also don't remove your vote again, we need it if we're on evens; a lynch on scum today is going to be like impossible
and if you're scum removing your vote after shooting lovers seems like a pretty good deal; it makes getting a scum lynch today that much more difficult

@top, cause WIFOM.

[mcqueen]

why would scum think that there are even lovers in the hood in the first place if there aren't scum in there?

like me, looking at this game, i didn't think: hey, there's prob lovers in the hood!
that didn't even occur to me as a possibility

if they're in the hood they know who the lovers are
if they aren't in the hood then they wouldn't shoot for the lovers; if they aren't in the hood shooting redtea is dumb and idk why they shoot enter last night either really

what do you mean by red herring?

You do realize they shot redtea, right? Redtea died Night 1, and entered suicided the Dawn of the next morning. Redtea was the NK

[mcqueen]

*Enter

[mcqueen]

Why? I’m kind of null on him rn. I’ll check his iso later. Also still have ~15 pages to read :/

[mcqueen]

Oh wow, only 11**

[mcqueen]

VOTE: papa zito

[mcqueen]

why is bef scum

[mcqueen]

why has Zito not been lynched yet

[mcqueen]

I plan on catching up this weekend (tomorrow night ideally) for real. I see I had some votes. Very understandable and deserving. I've been useless.

However, I'm not going to abandon the game; I'm going to start participating again. Any direct concerns for me at the moment other than my activity?

Otherwise, reads are scarce since I haven't been reading the thread very much. The read I'm pretty solid on is that skitter is town, but that's about it.

[mcqueen]

Here are some questions I have about the gamestate (helps me engage and understand everyone's perspective + reading will go faster):

1. Why is BEF town/scum? I have a few answers already, but I'd like specifically those on his wagon (Elbirn, Persivul) right now to answer the question once again and/or quote their reasoning.
2. A50, why was your vote on me?
3. Chara, who is your top scumread? And who are your top two townreads?
4. BEF, who do you think is scum?

[mcqueen]

A50, why was your vote on me?

Because I think you're scum!

Yes, but why?

[mcqueen]

3. Chara, who is your top scumread? And who are your top two townreads?

i posted a read list, what prompted you to ask me this specifically over anyone else?

i think you’re the strongest player in the game (no offense to anyone else)

[mcqueen]

However, I'm not going to abandon the game; I'm going to start participating again. Any direct concerns for me at the moment other than my activity?

we're massclaiming and you get to go first

I’m just a VT.

[mcqueen]

mcqueen's list of questions looks half-random and will continue to do so until he explains why he asked each of them. why no questions about Persivul?

He already claimed?

[mcqueen]

Like I have no idea why town-you would out himself as VT with only one vote

skitter just said we’re massclaiming.

[mcqueen]

We're Massclaiming?
Was mcqueen popcorned or chosen to go first
Vote still stands, really not comfortable with how mcqueen claimed. Something about it really bothers me.

what about it bothers you? I nor can anyone else address the potential issue if you can’t put it into words

[mcqueen]

I can’t*

[mcqueen]

I was asked for a massclaim and did it, that part shouldn’t be the issue. If I’m VT, why make up anything else? So I don’t understand the angle your pushing here.

I took the massclaim at facevalue because I trust skitter as a townread.

[mcqueen]

If we’re massclaiming, what am I gonna say? I don’t want to claim? You don’t think that’s suspicious either?

[mcqueen]

@mcqueen: If you're town, your vote should be glued on Percy. Trust me, Thank you.

And why should I trust you?

[mcqueen]

@mcqueen: If you're town, your vote should be glued on Percy. Trust me, Thank you.

And why should I trust you?

He’s claimed already and honestly I forgot what it was but I bought it, so atm no I won’t vote Pers.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Persivul

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Persivul

@mcqueen: If you're town, your vote should be glued on Percy. Trust me, Thank you.

And why should I trust you?

He’s claimed already and honestly I forgot what it was but I bought it, so atm no I won’t vote Pers.

Literally what changed your mind?
The audacity on this
if Percivul flips town, I will never unvote you.

When A50 brought up the possibility of a soft clear. I thought the same thing when he originally claimed, but brushed it off. It is a possibility.

[mcqueen]

BEF/Implosion/Mcqueen, with Almost50 as the townbeard/official mascot.

Let's make it happen family

hilarious. so i bussed bef d1 on my own. k

[mcqueen]

tell me why you think he’s scum first

[mcqueen]

again^

[mcqueen]

I read every page but it's not thorough reading so some stuff sticks with me and other stuff doesn't.
Didn't someone say not a lot of people will be posting in these days because of something else on-site?

It’s Marathon Weekend.

[mcqueen]

Can someone remind me what BEF’s ability is? I didn’t read, so, forgive me, but even in a massclaim, like Varsoon said, why is he being seen as scummy for withholding part of his role? So long as we get the gist of what he’s able to do, obviously there’s scum out there fakeclaiming and he’s got to be wary of that. So, I’m not understanding that angle on him, either.

[mcqueen]

I don’t understand. There’s already a rather large neighborhood, which he is apart of. I find it hard to believe he has a neighborizer ability every day phase, unless those neighborhoods close after the day ends.

[mcqueen]

I’m starting to lean on BEF being scum because of what Varsoon just said. You said BEF has fakeclaimed as town before, A50, but especially if scum are given fakeclaims, I don’t see why BEF couldn’t be doing so here.

[mcqueen]

See how soon Varsoon jumped on the wagon to put BEF @ L-1? At least that means there's one scum off the wagon still, so Varsoon+Elbrin+Chara, perhaps? In that case Percy was meant to catch Elbrin specifically??

Bruh what? Varsoon is mechanically town. Why is his willingness to jump on a potential scum wagon equal to there being at least 1 scum off of it?

Not that your statement is necessarily wrong, but how are those two events connected?

[mcqueen]

So I make a mistake that didn't cause anyone to be killed and for that I should be lynched?

You just admitted that also your role wasn't "utilized to their best extent."

1- You don't have the right to say ANYTHING anymore. You're ALWAYS lynchbait, and your play is worse than [unnamed]

2- My role wasn't untilized to the best of its potential because of YOUR incompetency. YOU should've been careful whom you bloody target with a 1-shot ability. Out of the whole players list you targeted the one and only CLAIMED ASCETIC?

alright bro, chill. the dude messed up and I know you’re mad. But it’s a game. Lay off

You act like the game isn’t winnable from here on out. Surprise surprise, it still is!

[mcqueen]

You know what? I've had it. I was trying to be coy and clever, but some townies should be banned from playing Mafia tbh. (I'm not naming names).

I Lied. I actually DO have reults.
What I had was 2-shots of Huntress Boltcaster (Night) + 1 shot FLAVOR COP (Day). I am also DISLOYAL. (I've been trying to be coy and even deliberately misleading with my previous claim.
I used the Huntress shots on Varsoon (N1) & Elbrin (D2) and had assumed it only hit Elbrin so he's SCUM. I have used my lie detector on Percy's claim and it returned FALSE (remember, the fact it returned a result at all is proof enough he's scum).
The rest is clear: I was still trying to bait the NK. When you guys see my flip you will know Elbrin is Scum as soon as you see the Disloyal bit.

I was still unsure who the third might be, because

mechanically

it could be Chara or Varsoon, or it could be that at least one Scum has no "active" abilities (turns out that would be Elbrin in this case), but Varsoon's hopping on EVERYONE BUT PERCY + how "detailed" his and Elbrin's claims looked points to VARSOON being their third (like, who knows the flavor THAT WELL that they can tailor such fancy FAKE claims?)

Note: I was saving my Flavor Cop shot for Percy, but when Varsoon decided to vote just about ANYONE but Percy I used it on him. That's why I was leaning TOWN on Varsoon before that point. Mechanically his claimed role looks like a Town role and him claiming commuter didn't take much of the fact he didn't claim receiving anything. It still looked all OK to me until he started to obv.Scum

So, I DO have hard guilties on BOTH Elbrin & Varsoon, and I thought I had a guilty by association on Percy. The thing is if I had been killed on N3 Elbrin would have been guiltied anyway so I didn't care to claim that, and I didn't want to claim the Flavor Cop shot because unless someone willingly stated their flavor me asking then to do could have brought attention to the fact I am specifically looking for that in particular.

So, there!

VOTE: Varsoon

I’m buying this, but if either flips town, you’re going down tomorrow.

I still think Varsoon is mechanically town, especially with the way the VCs had to be rearranged D1. So, I’d rather lynch Persivul. Please switch to him

VOTE: Persivul i think i already am but i forgot so

[mcqueen]

OK. I give up for real. You're not even reading. BEF is not reading. God knows who else is not reading. Rehgardless of anyone's alignment this is REALLY bad play and borders on disrespecting your fellow players.

Go back and reread my garbage. I said I checked Percy, not you. Then I said I was looking for the third between you and Chara. Yet I said I had a guilty on you, which is obviously a lie.

My abilities return no results. I'm not an investigative. I am juts furious I made that whole post (1576) up, and any 7 year old with reading comprehension would have detected the contradictions.. if only they cared to READ THE DAMN THING.

So, both you and BEF deserve to be lynched regardless of your respective alignments. Now imagine IF both of you were town. How were we supposed to win this?

Sigh.

UNVOTE:

I'ma stop trying now. I'll wait for skitter to come back and take the lead, and I'll just sheep her. I am already resigned to the fact that this is a Town Loss (and my only regret is I played it under A50 from the start, so it will count towards my record).

I’m gonna sound retarded but I didn’t see contradictions. It

seemed

like they were, but I didn’t find any. Except the Varsoon being scun thing.

VOTE: Almost50

I’m not sure I trust whatever you’re pulling.

[mcqueen]

You know what? BEf is going to be lynched anyway. If he is Town it had better happen today than tomorrow. If he is Scum then I obviously am a fool and well, his lynch would be surprisingly even better.

VOTE: BEF

@Varsoon: I cannot be scum with not one but TWO investigative clears on me. Percy said he checked me on N1 and I'm not a Phantom (soft clear), and implosion said he checked me on N2 and I returned innocent. Actually, I still could be a Godfather, theoretically, but I also find it to be a stretch to assume my role returns innocent to all investigative abilities in the game.

Yeah i want to remove my vote, but if you are going to lynch someone you think is town “because they’re getting lynched anyway,” i have no problem keeping my vote on you despite a softclear and a clear from someone who’s scumread.

[mcqueen]

I’m gonna sound retarded but I didn’t see contradictions.

Yes, you do, but I'm pretty sure that's not appropriate language on this site.

My bad

[mcqueen]

if you all want to lynch in Fish/Percy i can't stop you. i've said why it's a bad idea. i think Almost is town now more confidently.
Varsoon is also probably town for role-handling.

WHO DO U THINK IS SCUM

[mcqueen]

implosion still??? Who else??

[mcqueen]

I’m gonna sound retarded but I didn’t see contradictions. It seemed like they were, but I didn’t find any. Except the Varsoon being scun thing.

except you said you bought it.
even if you didn't see any contradictions, did you really believe Almost had caught multiple scum with disloyal shots? and that he sat on a guilty like that?

The Varsoon thing didnt mean he caught him/didnt catch him, since Varsoon was using his ability. So, i took it he found Elbirn with his DL shot

[mcqueen]

So I’m scum off a bad reaction. When Almost is voting someone he thinks is town. Okay.

yeah I get yesterday was not my day, but you yourself said activity is NAI, so don’t think about bringing that up as an excuse for a read

[mcqueen]

implosion still??? Who else??

god, read my posts. while you're at it read the part that there is no soft-inno on Almost because Percy got a no result.

i think you and implosion are scum. the last scum is in Fish/Percy, or it's Varsoon.

Varsoon is scummy as can be, but unless you want truly believe he’s fakeclaiming, he is MECHANICALLY TOWN

So you’ve got implo, me , and Percy/bef left. I’m town, so unless you think both percy and bef are scum, you’d better start rethinking some of your townreads.

[mcqueen]

So you think implosion is scum but buy his inno on Almost????? Hahaha but I’m dumb for believing Almost’s post

[mcqueen]

Or he lied about his role and the inno altogether??? You act as if that’s not possible?? If inno is scum, Almost can be scum, too. You might be the third.

[mcqueen]

So my logic follows, while yours is not all-encompasing, I point that out, you default to me being scum. You also say “no duh” to my townread of Varsoon, and while mechanical observations are easy to fake, XTOXM MESSED UP THE VCS DURING THE GAME WHICH BASICALLY CONFIRMS VARSOON’S ROLE. So yeah, he’s cleared from fakeclaiming, and he’s mechanically town because giving scum a basically unkillable role for the price of a single lost vote is pretty overpowered. YET YOU STILL TOWNREAD HIM, TOO!

VOTE: Chara

[mcqueen]

Or he lied about his role and the inno altogether??? You act as if that’s not possible?? If inno is scum, Almost can be scum, too. You might be the third.

um. if implosion lied about his role and the inno entirely that would still make him scum.

And yet it doesn’t eliminate the possibility of A50 being his partner. What’s your point?

[mcqueen]

I can say the same to vote A50. If he’s scum implo is confscum. If he’s town, it opens up the discussion about whether implo is/isn’t scum.

Especially when Almost was begging to keep bef alive. Congrats, that doesnt do anything, bef is ML bait and ofc scum wants him alive. Him voting him out of spite says “here guys we cant avoid it so i guess ill join”. Darn straight it’s scummy.

[mcqueen]

god, no. i do have to add.
Varsoon's votelessness is proved already. obviously. the mod going back and editing VCs to account for that votelessness doesn't prove anything besides his votelessness.
he isn't confirmed commuter. he is simply probably a commuter.

if you don't understand why out of implosion/Almost you

have

to vote implosion, i really do hope you're scum.

So you think scum was given a voteless mechanic?? And allowed to be immortal for using it??

[mcqueen]

I dont think he made up half his role. It’s possible, but i dont think so. But you’re getting on me for getting on you for including him. He’s not scum and you seem to agree. So your angle of attack on me for my read is ridiculous.

[mcqueen]

Including him in potential scum list, albeit he was the very last one^

[mcqueen]

And the reason I called him scummy is because of his crap scumread of me the ENTIRE game + he conveniently forgets stuff even though he said he reads everything and remains very active. Some of his thoughts because of this seemed skewed earlier, and I can’t believe he’d be like that as town. But, I’m trusting my view of the mechanics and gonna take the short term memory loss as true, even though it’s annoying.

[mcqueen]

I can say the same to vote A50. If he’s scum implo is confscum. If he’s town, it opens up the discussion about whether implo is/isn’t scum.

it isn't the same.
if Almost is scum, implosion is confirmed scum. if Almost is town, implosion is town OR scum.


let's look at implosion now.
if implosion is scum, Almost is scum OR town.
if implosion is town, Almost is confirmed town.

how do you not get this. it's not the same situation both ways. Almost can ONLY be scum if implosion is. full stop. it's the only way.

pedit: the Varsoon point was an aside. my main point is that you refused to vote implosion while voting Almost.

So if it’s equal, why do u care that I chose the other person??

Because implosion is null for me and I think most of the players are too quick to jump on him. Could he be scum? Sure. But i’m not full throttling my vote on him because everyone else thinks so. My scumread is on Almost right now, which was leanscum only to be strengthened by your protection of him and attacking me for not voting implosion. Seems like an easy bus situation for both of you.

[mcqueen]

So if it’s equal, why do u care that I chose the other person??

IT IS NOT EQUAL.

[mcqueen]

I can say the same to vote A50. If he’s scum implo is confscum. If he’s town, it opens up the discussion about whether implo is/isn’t scum.

it isn't the same.
if Almost is scum, implosion is confirmed scum. if Almost is town, implosion is town OR scum.


let's look at implosion now.
if implosion is scum, Almost is scum OR town.
if implosion is town, Almost is confirmed town.

how do you not get this. it's not the same situation both ways. Almost can ONLY be scum if implosion is. full stop. it's the only way.

pedit: the Varsoon point was an aside. my main point is that you refused to vote implosion while voting Almost.

1 conf player in each situation, 1 undecided. It’s equal.

[mcqueen]

would it help if i...
Almost flips town. information we now have about implosion: none. could be truthful town or scum who decided to say Almost is innocent.

implosion flips town. information we now have about Almost: he's confirmed town.

implo flips scum: a50 can be scum or town.

A50 flips scum: implo is confirmed scum.


It is the exact same situation (just the alignments switch on the conf-players in their respective scenarios) no matter which person we chose.

[mcqueen]

I’m buying this,

Welcome to the party. 3rd player proven not to be reading!

i already said i didnt read almost all of d2, so idk why this is a point to be made from you.

[mcqueen]

UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

VOTE: implosion

L-1

[mcqueen]

obviously it’s between me and him. i won’t join on a Varsoon lynch. so i think y’all can figure out my pick.

[mcqueen]

And you’re better off not lynching me. Of course I’m not a VT. You really think I’m gonna give up my role being asked first to massclaim? Hahaha

Good luck lynching me, either

[mcqueen]

I’m still sure skitter is town, I guess I’m gonna lean Chara for town, too. I’d see them keeping me alive as long as possible because I’m easy ML bait in lylo.

Still think Almost50 is scum. So are implosion and BEF.

[mcqueen]

bef is ML bait and ofc scum wants him alive. Him voting him out of spite says “here guys we cant avoid it so i guess ill join”. Darn straight it’s scummy.

so Fish was ml bait and now he's scum? convenient.

you do realize that counts for a50 being scum? And a50 was begging to keep him alive. it goes either way. i’m giving out final thoughts before my death, so when i flip town, y’all can see where my thoughts were. i kinda threw bef in there because I don’t really think anyone else is scum. Maybe Percy.

[mcqueen]

nope nope nope nope
you don't get to change your claim after mass-claim when you're under pressure for a bad vote, that's not how massclaim works

popping in to make a l-1 vote but failing to interact with significant happenings is quite bad

and i don't think it's quite accurate to portray the situation as being between just you and implosion

says the guy asking me to go first. i’m not giving my role out to scum.

yeah, i townread you here, but besides us, i feel like a lone wolf right now. Let me make it very clear, I’m not 3P, but it quite feels that way. My job is to survive and hope my ability saves my butt doen the line for a town win.

[mcqueen]

bef is ML bait and ofc scum wants him alive. Him voting him out of spite says “here guys we cant avoid it so i guess ill join”. Darn straight it’s scummy.

so Fish was ml bait and now he's scum? convenient.

I would like to hear the answer to this as well.
VOTE: mcqueen

so now you wagon hopping at every opportunity?

[mcqueen]

obviously it’s between me and him. i won’t join on a Varsoon lynch. so i think y’all can figure out my pick.

Scum WIFOM. Varsoon is TOWN.

What? I literally said what i said because I think Varsoon is town. I’ve made that extremely clear.

You say i don’t read, but you’re not paying close attention either it seems. You only want what i say to fit your agenda.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: Almost50

[mcqueen]

says the guy asking me to go first. i’m not giving my role out to scum.

yeah, i townread you here, but besides us, i feel like a lone wolf right now. Let me make it very clear, I’m not 3P, but it quite feels that way. My job is to survive and hope my ability saves my butt doen the line for a town win.

claim your role.

Alex Yu, loved townie.

[mcqueen]

you're getting lynched if you don't claim
(honestly you're probably getting lynched if you do claim but it'll definitely happen if you don't)

i mean to put it quite simply:
1. the person asking you is the person you've been professing a townread on all day
2. you lied during massclaim (which was agreed upon by all the people i townread)
3. you had an awful l-1 vote just now
4. you feel the need to specify that you aren't 3p here ... ?

p-edit loved in the sense that you need an extra vote to get lynched?

so I’M getting called out for lying? What about ALMOST50?? Idc if it was obvious, dude made an entire post faking a bunch of crap. As if that’s not trying to hide his role either?? Me claiming VT does nothing in the way of hurting the town if I stay alive. In fact, it keeps scum off of me at night, which was exacty the point. I chose that over my own credibility during the day phase.

@pedit- yes

[mcqueen]

you're the person townreading varsoon for his lack of vote, right?

ok explain why you think both you and varsoon are town

Scum doesnt get a role that makes them invincible for giving up their vote. I doubt he made up that half of being a commuter with all the lore behind it. Not sure it’d be a safeclaim, either. Whatever the case, I buy it.

What can i say for myself? I’ve played really badly the past two days, so it’s in my best interest to attempt to save myself now. My D1 play is a good reason I’m town, and me lurking had everything to do with college and being lazy to read the thread. I tried to engage, and did so with Chara especially a few pages back...

Speaking of which, their logic was still off and they continutally pushed me when I proved it. Saying two scenarios werent the same when they had basically identical outcomes is a start. Their constant protection of A50 when A50 has been largely scummy is an issue, too. And their switch of their townread on me D1 to a relentless off-the-mark push makes no sense either.

[mcqueen]

... you're not getting nk'd this game
the mislynch pool is fairly tight and killing in that pool if you're town is dumb
loved isn't something to get nk'd over here

Good, so one way or another it worked.

[mcqueen]

@skitter: You can put him @L-2 now, will you? (P.S. Love "my @***), but its testable. You vote him and he votes himself then unvotes in the same post. And we wait for the mod to post a VC.

Im ok with this

[mcqueen]

With me being unable to vote, though, for us to lynch scum, literally every town player has to be voting for scum.
It's very likely that if we can get a lynch on scum, scum are bussing it.

so if varsoon is town and mcqueen is scum it would have been literally impossible to get a scum lynch yesterday without bussing, right?

1. There are other scum
2. Who makes scum loved
3. I’m town, so is Varsoon

[mcqueen]

yes it goes away in lylo. Would be pretty op if it didnt.

Because I hadn’t outed the loved part and hoped no one would notice before deadline (probably unlikely, but a man can dream)

Idk how it does. Seems like a very anti town interaction, but, being the believe in Varsoon’s claim, it is what it is. Chara’s (?) hated, so i guess it balances out.

[mcqueen]

Saying two scenarios werent the same when they had basically identical outcomes is a start

they're not identical because a scum flip + no information is world's better than a town flip + no information which was what lynching Almost does.

not true. Having a conftown dwindles the pool of potential scum.

[mcqueen]

perhaps this is naive but i think mcqueen flips town.
still okay with all wagons because they're all in my PoE. if mcqueen flips scum great, if he flips town then the team is implosion/Elbirn and then either Fish or Percy as the last.

you forgot A50.

[mcqueen]

VOTE: mcqueen
UNVOTE:

[mcqueen]

I will vote anyone not named skitter30 today.