Open 757: Panic Room!

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VOTE: ofrhz

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I think the question is do you have an issue with it?

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I think the question is do you have an issue with it?

yeah, I do
it's lazy

I can understand all of those who posted random votes at the beginning, but people (I) have been

shitposting

posting stuff, that might be slightly more informative than RNG, yet you decided to just ignore it and passively wait till someone else does the job for you

I feel ignored

Were you expecting a game solve from me with it? Or would you just appreciate I say, "this name sounds scummy" with the vote? Does a comment as irrelevant as that help with not being a 'lazy' vote.

If you feel ignored, you should try and change what your doing, unless that's your actual goal here?

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from experience I can tell that is isn't AI all that often, but I'd say my first impression of you isn't very good

The impression you have on me from my 1st post is irrelevant to me. I'm looking for scum, I'm not here to entertain individual players.

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You have 2 choices rn, either shitpost with me, or scum-read me
The other players haven't done anything till now, so choosing to do anything else is not allowed

I'm not going to shit post, but you do you.

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Do you think he'd post more if we voted him?

Maybe it would convince him to vote you.

If you declare it's only for pressure, then the pressure doesn't exist.

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yeah. I was, lol
you completely ignored all of the posts which "could" be considered jokes, which I think should mean that you wanted to skip it and get so scum-reading as soon as possible
if so, I find your choice of action suboptimal

Yes, writing "XXX is scummy" would have been more helpful imo.
and if your vote was based on a real read, do you mind elaborating on it?

I just don't have a sense of humour therefore I'm ignore the typical day 1 jokes, even more so with this player list. I'm not against it, knock yourself out, I'm just not participating.
My vote wasn't based on a real read. I was calculating to what kind of reaction I was looking for. I was considering a vote on you while you were self voting to see the response of opportunist, but given it was you self voting it weakens the reaction.
I wanted to see how Orfhz acted on a my vote there, but that's irrelevant now.

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/shrug, ok, I guess

I'm still self-voting btw

do you know anyone else here?
I think I've seen roster play before, but that should be it....

if you don't have anything else to do, I don't really mind you filling me in, or sth

I know every player here.
I'm not using meta in regards of reads on this account though, so it's going to be purely how everyone plays in this game.

There's not a rush to do things, but at least it's some sort of progression from you.

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i see

VOTE: ejjinami

Do you actually believe the claim?

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does that include me?

If fumuki, yes.

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i think there is the possibility of being scum theatre

it is a good vote for now and i`ll try to look up how ejjinami plays afterwards

Unless I'm reading wrong, lynching the bomb day 1 means scum win?

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no?

it kills everyone out of the neighbourhood and that includes the mafiosos?

since in day 1 only town is inside the neighbourhood (town recruiter, town recruit), i imagine we instantly win by lynching bomb day 1.

Okay I mis understood it then and thought it meant PT's in general.
So why do you think scum claim it here if that's the case? For the town credit?

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best mafia strategy is to sound townie in day 1, get recruited, recruit his partner in day 2 and afterwards buss the bomb

it`s a insta win that way as far as i know

if two mafia get into the neighbourhood, it`s very dangerous for town, because they can begin killing inside the neighbourhood and by bussing the bomb later, win the game.

i was thinking about what we should do to prevent that, but didn`t want to break my newbie theatre but well...now it doesn`t really make a difference.

Wouldn't the recruit or recruiter being killed right after the adding of another player just out someone as scum, or at the very least give reasonable doubt to not let them have say in who to recruit?
I don't think that your idea is breaking.

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as far as I am understanding the setup here, they don`t need to kill anyone in the neighbourhood until it`s already day 3 for they to win.

from what i`m understanding, they add another person in the neighbourhood during the day. that means that by the end of day 1, there is 3 people in the neighbourhood.

if a goon is the first one recruited, they can simply add their mafia partner in the begin of day 2, and that would make a ratio of 2:2 in the hood. if they buss the bomb in day 2 in that scenario, they win.

Wouldn't the bomb still die though? Making it 2:1 in favour of town.
But to prevent additional chance of both scum making it into the hood, the original 2 should have full say and just note down influence made by others in the hood.

If they are both dead early on it's a good chance that scum are in there. And in that case to cover that it might be worth the player recruited to confirm that they have been.
This needs to be heavily looked into though because it could easily lead back to who is town reading them.

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ejjinami kind of looks like the kind of player that doesn`t give a fuck about being cautious as far as i see?

they might just be the bomb and thought `i`ll claim bomb there, self vote and all, then no one will think i`m the bomb since that would be very anti-mafia`

it wouldn`t really be about gaining town credit, it would be about making us think that there is no way that he is the bomb.

not sure how probably that is, would need to check how he plays normally

There's a huge difference of not being cautious and out right throwing the game.
Ejj doesn't know majority of the player list, so would be unfamiliar with how they react to things. It would essentially be game throwing.
That doesn't mean not scum of course. This could just be a goon going for a gambit. The bomb though? I highly doubt.

I can see your line of thinking with it, the whole WIFOM play, I just think it's not that.

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maybe i`m the one misunderstanding how setup works, but let me explain again how i see the worse case-scenario:

town recruiter recruits mafia goon during day 1

mafia goon recruits another mafia goon in day 2

lynch bomb in day 2 -> only the four people in the hood survives and mafia has a 2:2 ratio.

I understand now. Makes a lot more sense what you were saying.
So if scum are recruited they will most likely be looking to not get the bomb into the hood.

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At least it's a game where D1 lynch actually matters I guess then.

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I struggle to play on weekends.
Reading in a moment.

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actually,
VOTE: flubb

Makes quick read flips very telling I would think

can you do sth more useful than that?

VOTE: Ofrhz

why ofrhz?

Up to this point Orfhz hasn't posted anything other that a basically naked vote and calling out someones alt.

Originally you had an issue with my vote on Orfhz because it was naked, or lazy as you say, but you never question any of the naked votes before mine including Orhfz.
The second part is you're voting Flubber for what I can only assume to gain more pressure but question yet another vote on Orfz who as I said, hasn't posted anything of relevance.

What is it about that particular slot you feel the need to try and instantly stop any focus there? Are they town for you, and were they at this point?

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VOTE: Ofrhz

why ofrhz?

She is mafia.

I`m 80% sure of it.

Purely because of putting your alt?
Do you think you that putting you benefits scum?

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I'm gonna avoid voting ejjinami in case she is the bomb and the recruiter hits scum.

Or she ends up just being town.

Lawliett is town.

Meh.

VOTE: ofrhz

I think the only way to rule Ejj out as a potential lynch is if you town read them.
I'm going to assume that you misunderstood the setup like I did at this point?

I like the town read on Lawliett as I'm probably in the same view right now.

Are you voting orfhz because you think they're scum or because you are just sheeping your town read?

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Can someone explain the SRs on ofr to me?
I have no freaking idea what’s going on
Thx

And @jingle I voted flub in post 87

~Fixed, Jingle

I don't have a scum read I just placed my vote as RVS.
But this refers back to why Orhfz in particular?
I would be surprised if anyone had any genuine read on them.

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Why exactly would the scums be afraid to share it?

Not afraid, but they don't need to. If they didn't have day chat this would have looked like giving instructions to partners though.

And yes, scum do want to be in the bunker, but so do town. The more townies protected the better for us, and the more scum in there the better for them.

What Fumiki posted was town motivated.
If you think that's scum trying to go for that look sure, but the post itself is far from worthless (@Ejj this part).

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110 is basically a roller coaster to me.
I want to say I like Awe's post but it's more or less echo or just shade I feel.

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best mafia strategy is to sound townie in day 1, get recruited, recruit his partner in day 2 and afterwards buss the bomb

it`s a insta win that way as far as i know

if two mafia get into the neighbourhood, it`s very dangerous for town, because they can begin killing inside the neighbourhood and by bussing the bomb later, win the game.

i was thinking about what we should do to prevent that, but didn`t want to break my newbie theatre but well...now it doesn`t really make a difference.

I had to go back and check if mafia had daytalk. If they didn't I would have really scum read this. It still feels anti-town but I don't see why mafia would want to put the strategy out in the open rather than share it with partners only, so I guess you're town.

Fun fact, if you take this post apart, you’ll see that there’s a surprising amount of stuff written in there.
“he had to check the OP”
“he had a read in case the scums didn’t have daytalk”
“they have daytalk so it doesn’t work”
“it doesn’t work so much, that it’s townie”

and it’s rather obvious that he didn’t have to put all of that in here, especially the parts that make him look more townie / earnest.
It’s not always AI, but it makes me feel that he puts quite a bit of effort into making sure that his posts look good.

So are you saying that this is Eyes trying to look town as scum?
I'm unclear to how your stance is here.

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Trying hard isn't alignment indicative.

That's not really what he said though? I feel like you just said the first word and then wanted to say something about that post.

Pedit: Same with eyes as Lich. I feel like the way they post feels scummy sometimes but it's not necessarily AI.

I'm really liking Roster as town here.

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VOTE: eyes

VOTE: Eyes

VOTE: Eyes

wait, didn't you say that eyes is usually scummy?

This chain of events is just really bad.
I understand Ejj voting and my previous post can be ignored.

As pointed out Roster was just soft defending Eyes here but instantly jumps on without acknowledging that Ejj could be right here.
If this was town motivated as pressure I feel that more would have been added. It currently looks like Roster is just going with the flow.

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Yeah, but then I remembered that he was actually scum in the game I was thinking about .

So you think that Eyes plays different as town, or have you looked at this to make your judgement?

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If it's the game I'm thinking about, I'm going to trust roster's read for now.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

I'm just going to point out that the game they are talking about is Fire and Ice mafia.

Both Rooster and Eyes were scum and Maad was doctor.
I think from this reason alone the read provided by Roster should be null and void.
Maad what makes you believe Roster isn't just using this to his advantage to have a read and vote where looks easier?

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He was under a lot of suspicion as town in a couple of his games so I think the sounding scummy part is true (I might have gotten this from a conversation in one of my games with him). No LAMIST stuff that I can see though with either alignment, although there might be something there. I do feel like this depends heavily on the player, but we don't have a better wagon rn so I'm sticking with it.

This just feels like Roster trying to justify his Vote without sitting on a strong read.
What makes Eyes a better wagon over anyone else at this point?

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Saud should stay out of the bunker as either alignment

That's a bad way to see things.
If he's town and calls scum correctly or town correctly then scum are just going to push this kind of view to keep him out.

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I wanted to see how Orfhz acted on a my vote there, but that's irrelevant now.

If it helps your reaction test, I probably would’ve just glossed over it

Thanks for the confirmation.
It doesn't have anything to fall with now regardless though.

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^Btw this is why I voted him.

Because he was scum in a previous game?
I don't understand your point here?

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Ignore my last post I understand now you mean Maad not Eyes.

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So this is where I'm at.

{Fumiki, Eyes, Ejj}
{TL, Saud, }
{Roster, Flubber, ofrhz}
{Awe, Maad}

VOTE: Maad

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Saud should stay out of the bunker as either alignment

That's a bad way to see things.
If he's town and calls scum correctly or town correctly then scum are just going to push this kind of view to keep him out.

Tell me more about how you read him

In what way? How I will be reading him?
Down to his play.

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His incredibly careless attitude is easy to fake as scum and I think that makes him hard to read

So we should by policy ignore him even if he provides solid reads or content?
No.

If he's town all you're doing is giving scum an extra opportunity to get into the hood with this attitude.
If you think that something looks scummy and backs this up I'll happily listen.

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I'm not an overall fan of Fumuki here.
Advised to basically have no reads for 2 RL days then posts fluff as if trying to look active.

I'll give the benefit of the doubt though for Fumuki to be productive later game day.
And no, I wouldn't be bussing if Maad is scum.

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Voting me instead of Maad might be pretty telling.

What reasoning do you have to suspect Maad?

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Roster/Maad interactions looks like SvS

It was mainly Roster, then he began to squirm and voted Maad out of nowhere

I`m saying that I`ll only get

serious

after around 2 or 3 RL days.

Unexplained gut reads are fine to give for now right?

After all, lots of player only play with gut reads anyway.

Okay that's fair.
So your reads are gut possible scum on me, Maad and Roster?
I can see the S v S here. Roster could just be looking for town credit/pocketing if commenting on players as town.

Roster, what's your read on Eyes now?

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Fumuki is not worth reading

Why you think so?

Your process of thought is very confusing, and possibly even confrusing.

FYI I townread RF, and RF/Maad is likely TvT in my eyes

Does Maad look town independently for you?
Or is it purely because of others?

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If it's the game I'm thinking about, I'm going to trust roster's read for now.

VOTE: Eyes without a face

Oh he was scum in fire and ice too.

He was mostly shitposting that game but got away with it. In the large normal he wasn't though, I think he just sounded scummy and got a big wagon on him which scum managed to deflect.

On a quick recap I don't see any LAMIST stuff from there though, so I don't know if that is really a scum tell.

Does Maad look town independently for you?
Or is it purely because of others?

Remove that interaction and Maad becomes neutral.

So Maad looks town from Roster's side of the posting?

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It didn't quote the lot for some reason but you get my point.
Question still stands.

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That interaction doesn't look SvT to me, bur maad should post more either way.

I'm feeling TvT since I TR roster

But for it to look TvT you need to town read both parties.
Roster calls Eyes scum because of a game they were.both scum in, Maad says that he will take Rosters word for it and votes with him.

What town motivation does Maad have here to blindly follow like this?
The problem with saying the interaction was TvT is.Maad gave very little to go with to even find this route.

I'm also unsure what warrants a Rosters town read after the flip read on Eyes. Not to mention that he originally forgot about the Fire and Ice mafia game when he was making that comment.
What point does Roster stand out as town for you?

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Aaand I put this off until right before bed, so I'll make it brief. I really don't like 176. Even if TL always takes things too seriously, he put Eyes at L-2. It feels like something opportunistic scum would do to get an early mislynch.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Was this your entire catch up or do you have more?
If TL is town are you still expecting scum voting there? How about Roster and myself voting you for what seemed like an opportunity vote?

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HRG as the towniest in your read list is honestly why I find considerably easy to play scum as long as there is no cop or clear/guilty roles in a game depending on the playerlist.

HRG has done exactly nothing to warrant a town read imo. His posts are all logic + logic what it`s not bad but it`s not something to town read

at all

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He is being reasonable and it`s easy to be reasonable as scum.

You seem to be calculating how town someone is considering how reasonable they are and that`s the 101 fallacy in mafia.

Although I'm obviously on favour of any town reads this is a really positive town tell from Fumuki.
the reads just feel forced and in favour of the current posting before rather than actual reads.
Orfhz being town because of being ofrhz makes little to no sense and seems to be just a name chucked into the mix.

The only thing I'm unclear.ofmhere is.do you think I'm scum, Fumuki?

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Actually forget for now Roster/Maad

It might simply be Roster/Eyes/Flubb or something similar.

Let`s see. That`s just where my mind would be right now but I might change of idea.

I can see Flubber here. He seems to be more concerned on shading people out of the hood without giving an actual negative read of scum.
Roster moving off Eyes for Maad could have easily been distancing.

I really want to see.Maads thoughts more on the situation.

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I`m not as sure in Roster anymore

This might be better

VOTE: Flubb

Let me mull over...

I'm pretty sure I can follow up with this as a vote.

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If the two are town though this will be a sad game...

But I guess I need to stick with my reads so...

I`m confident that there is scum in [Flubb/Roster]. Opinions?

I think this is a pretty solid pair of reads to have scum in.
If Flubber is scum I'm confident enough to think he's a goon over the bomb.
Roster I wouldn't really know which one.

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But you just finished Ice and Fire Mafia and Eyes was scum there, and you apparently had forgot about that game?

This is what threw me off.
And it comes back to why is Maad blindly following Roster who was scum for him?

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Eyes replaced out of that quickly.

IDK on Flubber. I played with scum him once but only really caught him via actions (others caught him though, making me jail him as last scum left).

This is false.
It wasn't quickly as day 1 was nearly as long as the rest of the game.
He also had huge impact in the game day 1 to people having reads or mentioning him.

I'm going to confirm that I'm not using any sort of meta, I just wanted to point this out.

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well I think eyes is scum actually

Oh? How come?

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The only thing I'm unclear.ofmhere is.do you think I'm scum, Fumuki?

Depends on who else flips scum I think

I`m kind of neutral in you right now but I already have some secret associatives that I`m of course not telling

Okay that's fair enough I just wanted to make sure i wasn't mis reading your stance.
Also i apologise for what ever that was i posted, I'm currently on some heavy medication.

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What makes you think he’s more of a goon? The floating seems more bomb to me tbh.

Because the shading seems to be trying to control with less players being accepted into the hood.
Removing Saud and Fumuki from the pile would indicate he is still trying to get in but if called out or pushed for it, scum don't just lose.

Also shade/vote/scum tell can easily be on the bomb at this point so Flubber flipping goon isn't a bad thing at all over bomb.

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This is what threw me off.
And it comes back to why is Maad blindly following Roster who was scum for him?

Seriously? He replaced out of that early. I forgot he even played in it until Maad brought it up.

I'm surprised with that since your scum partner was discussing him in both PT and game.
But it's not something that I'll argue further.

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VOTE: Flubber

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That's L2 now

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So 2 scum are voting you?
Do you think that my reasoning on voting you isn't justified?

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This?

I'm town reading fumuki now so it wouldn't make sense to keep them out of the hood. When they were trolling they were more null and that made sense.

Still hold saude stays out. What's your problem with that now?

Why do you think I'm trying to get into the hood? I know I don't locktown well and never have.

No clue what your shade vote scum bomb thing is getting at

Well basically. I also mentioned before that its shade.
You are now saying that Fumuki is a town read but that could just be to get out of the reasoning or to try and get someone off your wagon.

You never actually answer my question here though.
Given the information I had from you when posting my concerns and vote, do you think my opinion isn't justified with the vote?

Do you think trying to control where the hood should recruit early on should be read as town?

Also, I asked if you think there are 2 scum on you, or is it scum within?
If you think its 2 and that 2 is me and TL, isn't that just OMGUS?

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The more HRG posts the more I want to vote him to be honest, but seeing my historic of voting scum early and afterwards getting talked out off it, I`m going to stick with Flubb here.

I would rather be completely wrong than hop off a scum read again.

If you have any disagreements with what I'm saying or asking you can address it and we can talk it out.
If your objective is to try and get me to back down or to stop posting how I am, you're going the wrong way about it.

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Saying someone is a tough read is not shade.

Your opinion is not justified with your vote. Scum doesn't want to dictate who gets into the shelter. They want to townbloc to get themselves in.

Right now, scum within. Though I wouldn't disqualify a scum pair for being on my wagon.

But your original post was that Saud should stay put of the bunker as either alignment. 150
You didn't address Saud being a tough read until it was brought up, so of course it's going to be looked upon as shade.

279 its again just a comment to prevent someone joining the hood with no real follow up or chance for progression.

I agree that scum want to be in the town block but making that town block as small as possible is the main goal. What use is having scum read in a town block with 4 town (for example)?

For the record, I'm taking more understanding to why you posted that about about Saud even if I strongly disagree with that kind of thought process. The Fumuki part I see less reason with.

The other part that gets me is that if Saud and Fumuki don't deserve a spot in the hood, then why does Maad deserve it when he literally blindly followed Roster and even to that point of the game posted a lot less contest?
I'm assuming that Maad was on this list to be in the hood as he was (is) a town read for you.

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Maad was never on a hood list what

This was only my assumption, where you posted them as not scum it would make sense for them to be added to the hood from your view, or at least in the pool to add.
I was always under the impression that you were saying who you wouldn't want in the hood by either saying it, or calling the person scum or whatever?

So to get a better understanding of your thought process, you don't think town reads should be in the hood, or is there only a particular player(s) you think that about?

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HRG, Flubb is scummy but your arguments are off

When Flubb posted #279 "this deff needs to be bombed", I had just made that intentionally scummy post. Right now for example Flubb is supposedly town reading me. Flubb didn`t say that Maad should be added in the hood or anything.

My problem with Flubb`s #279 is that it`s forced and that he is more needlesly aggressive as scum than as town, and actually, that`s not only apparently true for Flubb. I don`t know why, but scum commonly seems to think that putting intensity in their posts makes it more believable or genuine.

Originally with your post I was concerned to if you were trying to aim for town credit on claiming scum as Ejj was just called town even after she said she was the bomb. I decided against that given what I've seen but if I was to advise that you should be blown up then it would be explained.
My concern here is that Flubber didn't address it to why he was thinking it and neither did he have you down as a scum read for doing so.
Maybe Flubber was intending for it to be read as a joke but if that's the case I missed it.

The Maad part I just covered in my previous post, it just seems odd to me to not want a town read in the pool to be recruited.

I don't see the exact path that you do with Flubbers intentions, and if forced it doesn't make sense as a serious comment given that you gave intent to post serious/ more active (I forget the wording). I could see it forced as a joke(?) but I think I'm still missing something here?

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HRG If you think that I'm just deciding who I want in the hood based on how town or scum they are, then you'd basically just be evaluating whether or not my reads are genuine or not. That makes your entire push against me as "directing the hood" look like a complete fabrication

Of course I'd want to know if your reads were genuine or not. If you're town then I need to understand your intentions on what you're doing.
I don't understand what you're saying here?

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Well theres a hood element so recruiting inactives is dumb

Would probabaly want a better read than "other players are sorta kinda sketchy here" if we're going with the town=hood theory anyway so you might want to stop before you pull up a third example of how your push is fake

You haven't given anything to suggest my push being fake. I've asked you quite a few questions which you have just tried to dodge or just out right ignore.
If someone is town, they should go into the hood. The fact you're against adding someone less active into the hood even if town read just baffles me and I don't see the town motivation for you to think this.

I've given you opportunity to help me see your thought process but instead you respond with this kind of post.

I'm comfortable in leaving my vote on you.

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This kind of look more like you trying to justify your vote on him even if he is town later to be honest.

I think you`re playing around the chat, he is saying that your push is fake because he never said anything about the hood, and all you`re assuming is something that would be implied, but that he hadn`t said (and he is saying that he didn`t mean it like that).

I don`t think scum is necessarily that worried about the neighbourhood aside from trying to sound town here. I don`t think that shading everyone is a reliable way to get into the hood, maybe a way to make their deepwolves get into the hood but I doubt scum has planned anything like that.

I was originally questioning if he felt my vote wasn't justified.
Regardless of my align my reasoning is right for my vote, and of course to a degree I'm going to be justifying it. It's no different to anyone explaining a town/scum read as they are justifying it.

And you're wrong here, he advised for both you and Saud to not be in the hood. That's not an assumption at all that's a fact of what was said.
And of course I'm going to assume that he isn't against a town read making it into the hood. I've already confirmed that I accepted I assumed this and that is why I asked for his thought process on it further, which was ignored.

I disagree about the hood. Scum will want to get into the hood to at least see the recruiters. Narrowing the pool to add with unreasonable views is standard what scum want.

The argument is that my push is fake, meaning that I don't believe Flubber is trying to shade. That's just a weak response to it.
It's the same level of me saying you don't believe that Flubber is posting like he did as scum in a different game even though you posted that already. It's an invalid argument.

I can and will butt heads continuously on the views above because I strongly believe that.

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I think you`re playing around the chat, he is saying that your push is fake because he never said anything about the hood, and all you`re assuming is something that would be implied, but that he hadn`t said (and he is saying that he didn`t mean it like that).

This.

I actually made a point by point argument to HRG's 411. And then I realized there was only one point I didn't already address (doing so below). I'm not arguing on terms of someone who could be scum and letting them poison the thread.

HRG, if you were interested in my reads the way you said you were, you would have pushed them over whatever tinfoil strategy you're trying to assume upon me.

That's why I questioned it with you.
I'm not sure if we're thinking completely different arguments or if my posts are being mis understood but I'm unclear to what your argument is to mine now.

From the 1st shade comment I addressed you on this, I questioned you about Maad and confirmed I was assuming several times. I questioned you on this, literally everything o have said is consistent in a obvious legitimate push.
My overall concern was your motivation to it and you made it clear that you can't respond to my questions instead you just keep posting it's a fake push or something worthless along the lines.

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If it`s obvious you should actually stop saying trap like deepwolves doesn`t matter

because if it`s obvious to you that as long as we don`t recruit mafia to the hood it`s a very town sided setup, it should be obvious as well that deepwolves are important.

For example, I completely disagree with adding HRG to the hood, while I think newer players would have a more natural tendency of town reading the slot (like TL did).

and also I would be fine with an awe lynch today.

Its irrelevant without any sort of information. Right now you can point a finger and go "stop town reading them they're scum" which in itself is pointless as you have no merit to go by, even more so if your excuse is "this player is newer so they are more naive than me".

What you are considering is that theres potentially a strong town read player that is scum though trying to look town.
Both the top read town players are the primary 2 to claim scum (excluding the CC to bomb) which is yourself and Ejj.
And the reason in pointing it to you 2 as the town reads is because not being voted doesn't warrant a plausible deep wolf.

So unless you're going to pull out a scum read and reasoning for Ejj the whole "search for a deep wolf" is irrelevant.

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At least we have resistance to the Flubber wagon now, so that argument can be laid to rest.

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At least we have resistance to the Flubber wagon now, so that argument can be laid to rest.

thats not how that works

"some new thing happened so the old thing doesn't matter" is so stupid it would break like 90% of how forum mafia works

Okay, sure.
My comment stands.

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I feel that Fumuki has been increasing in me not being trustworthy ever since they feel like they know who I am.
The term they're not trustworthy suggests I'm more likely scum than not from Fumuki which makes me concerned and feel that the Flubber read was a front or a prep for later game?

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Actually, the fact that she tries to deny my case for being one-liners, and has "confused" how to read my case (what no one else apparently has done), is pretty much indication that she simply was planning to deny it worthless from the start, didn`t read it very well and slipped up.

I'm not going to lie, I skipped passed your meta case and ignored it.

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@Anyone

What`s your read/opinion on Awe here?

Actually I like Awe more here.
Unless you think Awe Roster and Flubber is the team, which I strongly doubt I don't see why she pushes you if she's scum over voting Roster or Flubber.
Or even majority else where.

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I feel that Fumuki has been increasing in me not being trustworthy ever since they feel like they know who I am.
The term they're not trustworthy suggests I'm more likely scum than not from Fumuki which makes me concerned and feel that the Flubber read was a front or a prep for later game?

This is why I`m not trustworthy on you. It`s not because I think I know who you`re, but how you`re playing here.

and also I don`t think you`re more likely to be scum than not, I`m...neutral on you.

If you're actively saying someone isn't trust worthy and activity saying they shouldn't be in the hood over 3/4 of the players, and not claiming to have that slot as more scum than town then theres something wrong.

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This is where I'm at.
Whatever I'm saying Yumuki is saying "you're wrong". Which I'm not.

If Yumuki knows who I am then then are just trying to rattle me up rather than actually disagreeing with what I'm saying here. I'll tell you now that this account that won't be happening, but the fact I feel you're attempting this is major negative points to you.

So first of all 492 it makes no sense that you are

actively

trying to discredit me rather than just disagreeing and taking action from there. The fact that what you are saying is I should be putting a lot less effort into what I'm posting and just sit back with minimal posting opinions to get a better read from yourself does not make you right. My goal here is to lynch scum, not to impress individual people. You are trying to impose that I'm a town read, when it's been mentioned in a small amount. If you're scum I understand why you want to discredit me and my reads though.

495 just because it's something you would do as scum doesn't mean it's something I should consider here in a different situation and less beneficial right now.
The read wasn't town from Awe so setting up for an "I told you so" wouldn't be viable and given the risk or shading the recruiters it's really not a beneficial play from scum here.

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This is where I'm at.
Whatever I'm saying Yumuki is saying "you're wrong". Which I'm not.

If Yumuki knows who I am then then are just trying to rattle me up rather than actually disagreeing with what I'm saying here. I'll tell you now that this account that won't be happening, but the fact I feel you're attempting this is major negative points to you.

I take back everything I said considering that you were the person I thought you were

you`re clearly not with this post

I don`t get the town reads in you though

But this is the thing.
Ejj had me as town as an out dated read which we don't know then current read and TL had me as a town read with a very questionable read list as it is.
Unless I missed any out this is all I've seen.

Why are you making out that I'm highly town read and you have a need to discredit me while remaining on Flubber where I'm also voting?

This goes back to my view on scum wanting to narrow down the potential hood pool.

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If he flips town and gets lynched 9 days early to deadline because you put him at L-1 im lynching you first roster not the guy who hammered

I'm pretty happy to put Saud as town right now.

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Feeling more confident about my TemporalLich vote right now.

I've been town-leaning Fumiki for a while but also agree with awestfie on not going after a deepwolf yet. The exchange between them feels off, though; I need to reread it to get a better read for each.

This just seems to be more avoidance to the game.
It's just popular opinion at this stage.

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HRG is votable in my eyes but it's too early to lynch our townreads.

The deepwolf discussion is useful since it informs later Days.

and awest's vote on Fumuki is just forced.

I'm not sure what scum Lich gets to provoke another vote on him here?
Surely as scum he wouldn't want to risk me just jumping on board now.

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Right now it's just rotting away with too many single votes. I still like my vote on Flubber but since it's apparently disagreed with, I'm most likely going to move over to Maad depending on how the replacement impresses or not.
If it eventually comes down to it I think I'd lynch Eyes over Lich,

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Temporal lynch is a good vote, who is opposing?

I think it's a little too easy as scum.
And I can see scum pushing it since there would be lack of negative response from the lynch if town.

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Thing is I feel TL has drifted pretty far from town him this game. It feels like an imitation of his town game, which, y’know, leads to scum.

At what stage do you start pin pointing his town game and him imitating his town game?
Surely both appear as the same.

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TL, is the rerolled Gameshow Mafia your only completed scumgame on site?

He was scum in Mini 2057 where he was lynched day 1.

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Can someone case EWAF for me? I have time to play finally and it's been dead here

What's your view on the slot before any cases are made?

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I'm not expecting you to self-vote but I don't see this game going anywhere without a flip at this point.

I currently FEEL like all the people voting eyes are scum

So Saud, Fumuki and TL are the scum team?
You'll have to go into that one a little more for me.

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Did you not see my vote on the last page?

I guess the whistling distracted it from even me also.

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VOTE: Themilkcartonkid

This was the Maad slot too.
His only views since replacing are TL scum without reasoning or attempt to convince and that scum are all voting Eyes.
He's just following where most popular is right now.

Although this suggests he could be scum with Eyes, I'm not sold on it.
Eyes just looks like a hard push for town, but if it comes to it I'm favouring lynching Eyes over TL.

Anyone who doesn't think that Milk is a viable lynch today regardless to if he's lynched or not, explain one town thing that slot has done all game.

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Im going to add awestfy to my scum watchlist after putting TL at l1

If Awe is scum I'm confident on Fumuki as town as that didn't feel S/S theatre

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HRG had some good posts a few pages back; 680, 681. I don't particularly agree with the vote on milk, but I'm not overly worried by it either.

So are you town reading that slot?

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Can you use a bit simpler terms to explain your reds please?
Or like, change stuff like: “Fumuki has been increasing in me being trustworthy” to sth different? Possibly shorter?
Explaining the situation and what your words mean took more than half of the post and no offense, but the only thing it did was make the post more confusing.

If I understood it correctly, you said that: “You think fumuki is suspecting you more and more because she thinks she knows your main. This worries you and makes you feel that her SR on Flubb was meant to serve her some purpose later”
???
Why exactly does this concern you?
How exactly are her reads on you and on flubb are connected?
That post doesn’t make much sense to me either

I guess we can put it down to a difference in standard way of talking, but I won't be changing how I post, sorry.
I'm not sure what you are confused on though as you said exactly what I was saying.

And reading my comment during the time of the back and forth would have made it make more sense.
There's 2 parts to the post.

The 1st line I'm stating that their constant comments against me have been even more so since they thought that they knew who I am.
The second part is that it appeared that Fumuki was trying to alter more of a negative/scum read towards me to save Flubber for later, not that we're actually connected.

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Thing is I feel TL has drifted pretty far from town him this game. It feels like an imitation of his town game, which, y’know, leads to scum.

At what stage do you start pin pointing his town game and him imitating his town game?
Surely both appear as the same.

Roster I still want to discuss this with you.
If you're using this to justify a read then you need to explain this more to me.

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It's better if you just read the entire game first and give a summary. Reading catchup posts is kind of a pain

tbh I've only read maybe 30% of HRG's posts because all he does is catchup posts

That's a bad policy to have to be honest and if your view is "I'm going to ignore majority of what this player is posting" then I think we are trying to achieve different things in this game if we're the same alignment.
I'm in a different time zone to all of the players in this game so I'm not going to be here to back and forth like majority of you.

If it's preferred by all though, I'm more than happy to only post who I think is scum and move on each 24hours.
To be frank, I find the above offensive.

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Right at this stage I feel that everyone is just lacking in looking for where scum are if a) TL or Eyes only flip Goon or b) either flip town.
Unless you strongly believe that you're hitting the bomb, you should be putting more effort into where else scum are, and I think that's the actual reason this day is now going slow.

Players I can comfortably go into day 2 with
Saud, Flavour, ofrhz, Ejj, probably Awe.

Players I think are out right scum
Milk, Flubber

That leaves Roster that I'm on the fence with and TL/Eyes who are the only real focus for people right now.
If there's scum in TL/Eyes I only see it in Eyes. The fact that both of these are the only 2 plausible lynches for today it seems, I think best chance (20%) we hit Goon, worst (80%) we hit town.
If anyone here believes that it's S/S and we so happen to have 2 scum up day 1, then that argument needs to be presented more because I don't see it, even more so with their interactions.

This goes back to my question to anyone who town reads Milk, or even thinks that he isn't a viable lynch should explain why.

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Is that to me?
Because I'm not asking anyone to have pre flip associatives.

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Is that to me?
Because I'm not asking anyone to have pre flip associatives.

That was to 849

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You can’t think Eyes is town if you think Flubber/Milk are scum.

I leaned scum on Mad based on looks at the vote count.

I don’t see Flubber as scum there.

Interesting that you’re there.

Noted.

Why can't Eyes be town if both Flubber/Milk are scum?

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Right at this stage I feel that everyone is just lacking in looking for where scum are if a) TL or Eyes only flip Goon or b) either flip town.
Unless you strongly believe that you're hitting the bomb, you should be putting more effort into where else scum are, and I think that's the actual reason this day is now going slow.

You really were.

Anyone who thinks they can call the scumteam D1 is deluding themselves.

There's a difference in having multiple scum reads and trying to not tunnel in a game to having the scum team set.
I'm not saying to point X and Y as scum because of what they are doing, I'm saying to have X and Y and scum because of independent reads.
If I was asking for scum associations then I would be looking at people against the flubber wagon as scum.

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Why would Flubber/Milk be on TL if Eyes is town?

Even for you, I'm not sure if this is a serious question or what...
If both are town, then it wouldn't matter where they are on.

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But you said you think they’re both scum and had analysis that was pretty black and white

Incorrect.
I favour TL and Eyes both for town.
I favour Flubber and Milk both as scum (independently).

You're argument is that if Eyes is town then why would my 2 scum reads vote TL. You are here implying that TL is scum even though I never said or even hinted towards this.
Given that I'm not using meta on this account, I'm going to mark that down as a plausible scum slip with you. If TL ever flips scum, I'm coming back to this point.

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I'm not taking meta into account at all, so your attempt with any "I do/don't act like that as scum/town" will not be accounted for.
If TL flips scum, I'll be coming back to this point. Until then I have no concern with it.

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Also, notice the point that was said on High Risk “since I’m not using meta”

That implies that if they were to use meta, it wouldn’t be.

I could find meta on you as plausible anything as either align (within reason).
If I were to be using meta I would be countering your argument on you don't slip as scum.

However, I made it clear through out the game that I won't be using meta.

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I'm not taking meta into account at all, so your attempt with any "I do/don't act like that as scum/town" will not be accounted for.
If TL flips scum, I'll be coming back to this point. Until then I have no concern with it.

I was just trolling you is all.

TL isn’t flipping today, though.

Well that's what I'm pushing for.
I think right now TL is the easy mis lynch and that's why scum aren't working else where.

A town flip doesn't give any players a proper negative outcome concerning reads. It's a safe vote for lazy town/scum

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Also, notice the point that was said on High Risk “since I’m not using meta”

That implies that if they were to use meta, it wouldn’t be.

I could find meta on you as plausible anything as either align (within reason).
If I were to be using meta I would be countering your argument on you don't slip as scum.

However, I made it clear through out the game that I won't be using meta.

Is it a slip if those things are meant to happen?

I’m not even asking you to use meta, though, so no need to keep bringing it up.

I don’t care about meta either, but I use it supplementary and to see people’s reactions towards it.

"I only scum slip as town" is meta.
I'm pointing out that I'm not using meta so your comment is irrelevant for me there.
Also, a false slip is still a slip. It's just trying to determine if it's intentional or not.

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Really? Because prior to me replacing in Eyes was rather close. Why is TL the easy mislynch over Eyes?

Because everything TL says contradicts himself. He has been a primary wagon all day and is at constant threat of being lynched.
Eyes wasn't primary all the time and has been a roller coaster for voting.

Otherwise if we are just going by votes etc, it's confirmed that Flubber is an easy lynch too for going to L2?

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Debating if I think HRG is scum or town on the opposite side of me.

Guess we’ll see once his Third Degree Boon is over.

I'm not sure what opposites we really have other than Flubber.

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I'll bypass the response.

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It's along those lines.
But I was thinking more of if you're town, you're naturally going to scum read me in this game because I won't be intimidated by you.
And if you're scum, you know that I'm a threat right now.

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Mm. I’d just night kill you in that case and play nice.

There’s also zero reason for me to derail both wagons.

Your trajectory is flawed.

Night killing someone when they throw down a reasonable connection to scum read you depending on events?
Surely not.

My comment still stands.

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I don't think intimidation plays a part on his scumreads

Well, I wanted to say that our personalities always clash, but that's going off track for what I'm aiming for so I stuck with a trait I believe Flavour will warrant as a scum read.

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There’s plenty of players who aren’t intimidated by me. That’s not really a thing.

And you said you weren’t going to use meta.

I'm talking about the game itself, me not being intimidated in this game from you is not meta.

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That’s exactly why that’s a good kill.

I strongly disagree.

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And I started coming after you before that, so that’s a blatant misrep.

Your coming after me was you saying that if Flubber and Milk were scum that they wouldn't be voting TL.
There's no mis rep, your 'coming after me' was just extremely weak.

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My internet just went down because Flavour is DDOSing me (clarification that's a joke).
So I'm going to bed and will continue tomorrow.

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Ignore that, it's back up I think.

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You two are derailing my game with absolute nonsense

I disagree that it’s nonsense and derailing.

I got 3 solid reads from it.

UNVOTE: High Gamble

And what 3 reads are those?

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Tell me why this poor terrible performance that spans across almost a week and over 37 pages by Eyes does not merit a lynch asap

Because I think that Milk is a better candidate as a lynch.
If anything, although I think TL is town we have to look at the possibilities.
If TL was somehow scum, Eyes now sitting level/less (?) as TL is just a counter wagon raised.

The votes on Eyes right now just seem to be people content with how everything is going today. Outside of Eyes (and TL) I feel there hasn't been any effort in looking off the 2 leading wagons.
Even if town are on the wagon I don't think that they are looking outside of it.

I don't see how anyone can consider what Eyes is doing as a worse performance than Maad/Milk.

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yes but thats looking at things outside of eyes

look at the player himself

I prefer early game Eyes over Eyes now.
So potentially it is a case of he's less confident now with votes on him, but I'm not set on if that's scum sided or town sided confidence.

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Maad/milk are just afk, they dont talk I dont see them I dont know who they are as far as I know they're not in the game :/

How about Maad early game taking the word of Roster and blindly following him about a game where Roster was scum too?
Milk is trying to dip under the radar making up excuses to not post or give direct reads.
He's trying to point out both TL and Eyes as scum to widen the options of lynching. The scum read on TL being too nice isn't even why TL should ever look scummy here.

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Hey, btw, I'm pretty sure flavor is scum and manipulating you
Also, I think we've stagnated because the two wagons are both scum and there isn't another wagon to turn to

Manipulating me into what exactly?
Before he joined I still had a town read on that slot, I still had a scum read on your slot and I still didn't like both of the leading wagons.

What's changed with my views after Flavour joined in?

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Oh that was a quick day.
Although I would have most likely voted Flubber I'm surprised that everyone pushed him as a vote today so quickly and I disagree with the lynch / night kill looking negatively on him.

Well played scum, pretty interesting setup and at least I had Flavour as a correct read, makes a nice change.

Although I had Saud as town the first question with his vote should have been was he recruited with ejj's death it was important to understand the thought of thinking.

Thanks Jingle, next run I agree self kill should be off the table but I feel scum would have had it regardless so it's not an overall issue.