In post 1007, Enigma wrote:so this post reeks. you are pretty much taking a neutral position on voting me, and then when i flip town you'll be like ohh well it was useful to mislynch anyways.
i mean it would be useful to mislynch you, a flip is a flip
im fully unapologetic wrt trying to lead a wagon on you though
While flip > no lynch, I don’t know if Enigma is the best wagon today.
I don’t know. I’ll probably sheep RC on anyone but SS and you, because it’s getting close to deadline. Rn, I think Lion looks the worst. At least Enigma is efforting, not a lot but more than him. apthet, I haven’t like on tone but her last post seemed pretty townie. I need someone to make a convincing case.
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Post #1151 (isolation #227) » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:14 am
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1150, singletonking wrote:I was fine with an OkaPoka lynch as I felt he has not done much this game for the amount he's posted... but I didn't like Enigma's vote on him
Oka’s back and forth on Lion really made no sense. Do you think the Oka/Lion names being in red, means anything?
I still prefer Lion but since it’s getting close to deadline, I’ll trust RC on this.
In post 1150, singletonking wrote:I was fine with an OkaPoka lynch as I felt he has not done much this game for the amount he's posted... but I didn't like Enigma's vote on him
Oka’s back and forth on Lion really made no sense. Do you think the Oka/Lion names being in red, means anything?
I still prefer Lion but since it’s getting close to deadline, I’ll trust RC on this.
What doesn't make sense?
You were waffling in your Lion read and suddenly you “trust” him, why?
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Post #1188 (isolation #230) » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:46 am
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1178, Something_Smart wrote:It's not a purely mechanical plan, it's a mechanical plan based on my scumread of you. Given that scumread, can you see how it makes sense?
After thinking about it the plan really only makes sense if we mislynch today, so I'm fine calling it off if we hit scum today. How confident are you in your ability to reveal scum, assuming a mislynch today?
If you think Single is scum, then you wouldn’t lynch that person but then it’s just WIFOM in that case.
In post 1178, Something_Smart wrote:It's not a purely mechanical plan, it's a mechanical plan based on my scumread of you. Given that scumread, can you see how it makes sense?
After thinking about it the plan really only makes sense if we mislynch today, so I'm fine calling it off if we hit scum today. How confident are you in your ability to reveal scum, assuming a mislynch today?
If you think Single is scum, then you wouldn’t lynch that person but then it’s just WIFOM in that case.
Seriously though, why not? Who singleton reveals depends on whether we're doing this plan, and we can only do the plan if a majority of people actually think he's scum.
ISO him, look at his readslist. Is your plan, that he will push his buddy and if that person flips green, we lynch Single D2?
Seriously though, why not? Who singleton reveals depends on whether we're doing this plan, and we can only do the plan if a majority of people actually think he's scum.
ISO him, look at his readslist. Is your plan, that he will push his buddy and if that person flips green, we lynch Single D2?
Am I understanding this correctly?
IOW, are you advocating for leashing Single’s vote?
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Post #1197 (isolation #235) » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:12 am
Postby Nimueh »
In post 942, apthet wrote:I'll also put my money where my mouth is and VOTE: Skygazer
But I'm not anywhere close enough to confident enough in my read or as a person in general to "lead a push" so I guess I'm doing the frustrating thing and going off on my own. But I will contribute to whatever needs to happen before deadline.
Sky isn’t getting lynched today, so who is your second strongest scumread?
I keep going back and forth on apthet. It's pretty evident from today that she's a pretty experienced player and now I feel like there's a chance she was able to fake those posts I townread her for.
Do you really think both scum were on my wagon? I think Lion scum, makes apthet more likely to be town.
But thank you for not being a WOAT. How anyone in this game isn’t at the very least tl me after that flip completely blows my mind.
I think scum is likely in RC/Enigma (not RCEnigma lol) but I also want to sort Sky and apthet today while everyone is still alive, even though it probably won't matter...
RC what's your Skygazer read?
I think you’re wrong here about RC but Enigma could definitely be scum.
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Post #1344 (isolation #247) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:53 pm
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1321, Something_Smart wrote:I really don't feel like I'm qualified to sort Sky or apthet confidently enough to bet the game on it. I'm pretty sure Nimueh is town, I'd like to think I'm pretty obviously town at this point. This game has been so low activity that townhunting is very likely the best way to go.
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Post #1348 (isolation #250) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:00 pm
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1330, Skygazer wrote:actually yeah nim associations are rlly bad, like she had GL as their strongest SR but only hopped on to vote whenever he was bein wagoned (for "tone" lol), nd i'd like to imagine one of enigma/GL would make an effort to be more active if they were s/s
i'll follow RC on this because he also seems to have an ID on nim
VOTE: nim
No, RC’s just being a WOAT in this game. Use your head Sky. I was second on Lion wagon. Please don’t be a WOAT along with RC.
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Welcome to the Newsroom, singletonking! You are an
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During the Day, you have your voice and your vote.
One night only, you may investigate another player. Your investigation, if successful, will publicly reveal that player's alignment at the start of the following day.
You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
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- (Being widely townread) I think that Smart is a townread for many people and I think he's taking that position in a way that makes me more confident that he's town. One thing that I noticed is that he specifically says that he's "obvious town" and I think that mafia would likely be a little more careful about that status and not want to lose it.
- (RC interactions) If Smart is scum, then it seems to me like his big fear would be RC (because now we know that they cannot be scum together). It doesn't seem like he would want to come out of the gate on Day 2 being combative towards him. Also, there's that question that just cannot be avoided as to why Smart would highlight RC's ability to read him if he's scum. These are the things that are making me think he's town.
- (Read on me) Aside from interactions with RC, I did find it weird that he decides that the reason that he decides to downgrade his read from me as obvious town to me as a sorting priority is that he thinks I'm a skilled player. It's definitely a big difference between Day 1, where he stubbornly had me as his top townread in the face of multiple questioning. I think I can understand opinions changing after a night phase though.
- (GL interactions) I also think that Smart's interactions with GL were definitely plausible as a partner, but I think his series of posts after the hammer up until start of Day 2 were also pretty town. Especially this:
In post 1226, Something_Smart wrote:I'm actually kinda annoyed about that hammer now, I don't think GL was the right wagon today at all.
Certainly could be fake, but it fits in the context of his thought process and I think it's likely to come from town.
Skygazer:
Spoiler:
- (RC townread) A part of my suspicion regarding Skygazer was that early on, she said that she thought RC was town, and RC responded that he expected her to be a "paranoid ass" and Skygazer said "Wait, do you want me to be a paranoid ass?" Or something to that effect. I thought that was a very weird response, and I guess this is less in my mind now that she's alluding to some role-related reasons to be not paranoid about it.
I think this is actually very noteworthy (!!!!) for the fact that it seemingly means that RC might necessarily have to be town. Either Sky is scum, which means that RC is town, or Sky is town, which means that she's not lying about her reasons not to vote RC.
- (GL interactions) So Skygazer said that she was reluctant to vote GL here:
In post 1204, Skygazer wrote:still think gl is p low info but w/ 20 hours left i'll swing that way if needed
which was the reason I originally said that they were not likely to be partners. I thought that Skygazer would have to either plan out that series of posts or spontaneously decide to bus GL. If they are partners, I think that the first scenario is much more likely than the second, and I think that these two posts could certainly be faked but I just think it's likely that they aren't. I will note that this
In post 655, GuiltyLion wrote:Sky I could go either way on, probably need a flip or two first
is a minor red flag.
- (Day 2) I think that Skygazer, if mafia, isn't in a super good position, and I think she has to take the wagons that she can get. I do think it's somewhat notable that she is the most vote-happy currently. Originally the "nice scumclaim" post was perfectly fitting into this idea that I had of her, but this was shaken by the fact that she seemingly went into my posts, read through them and found a reason to unvote.
Enigma:
Spoiler:
- (GL interactions) I think that this
In post 876, Enigma wrote:ehh i dont what i had that let me try just being original
town
oka
rc
gl
nimueh = ss = apthnet
stk
sky
scum
i don't even like my sky read that much, but mainly because it seems like she is just around and posting but not really getting anywhere.
is a very comfortable place to put a partner. Just above the null pile but not too much above the null pile.
- (Day 1 wagon) Like I said before, I think Enigma as scum is more the careful slippery type (similarly to GL I'm thinking). This also seems like a pretty suspicious reaction to a wagon:
In post 1132, Enigma wrote:yes my activity this day has been meh so far, and im not going to argue against that - but if you are going to vote me make a serious case, and make sure other townies make a serious case too, rather than useless jumps onto me because this will provide nothing useful for town when i flip
Enigma also voted Oka "out of self-preservation" which I think actually could be a post that comes from town. I do think that Enigma is a very plausible partner though and he has been playing a very similar game to GL.
Me:
Spoiler:
I agree that it is likely for GL's partner to be bussing him. I also think it's possible that his partner was not. In any case, I think you can agree that I have the foresight to understand how bussing should go in this situation. To give you an insight into my thought process at the time:
I had made it clear that my two top reads for mafia were Skygazer and GL, Skygazer more so. Here's what happened.
- I voted Skygazer.
- People went off on me for being bad. RC specifically said that I was making "scumpost after scumpost after scumpost."
- Upset at hearing him say this, I decided to go off and sulk in silence until I was prodded.
- When I came back (having continued to read actively in my absence) the town wasn't particularly cohesive and several people were thrown around for voting (Enigma, you (Oka), me, GL).
So in this case, I have several options. If I'm scum, I either want to resign to GL dying and position myself as favorably as possible or do my best to make GL not die. What I did was vote GL without any further justification, right before Nimueh told me that Skygazer wasn't getting wagoned and what I would go to as an alternative. I responded with a lighthearted "nice timing!" Laughs were had. This means that if I'm scum, I'm either
- Not trying very hard to plan for the future
- Actively making a decision that will weaken my position later so I can make this exact argument right now in this post right here.
I think it makes far more sense to do any of the following:
- Fully commit and try to actively get GL killed and position myself into a more active and controlling role in the group
- Stubbornly stick to Skygazer and try to get people to join me
- Switch to another wagon altogether. I do think that saying something like "well, I don't know about it, but I do trust RC so I guess I'll vote Oka" is not as far out of the question as you think, and that Enigma was another possible option).
That's how I view the situation anyway.
Scum didn’t bus in TRO, which was also or in TMBoS, both micros. Do you know any micros where this occurred?
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Post #1354 (isolation #254) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:10 pm
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1337, RadiantCowbells wrote:I hypothetically misread you once in a game: grr never want to play a game
Someone advocates pls on me every single game and I get fed up: omg how could you be like that
Because I think you should be able to tell I’m town here, because it’s freaking obvious. Do you seriously think I ever risk a friendship to win a game?
- (Being widely townread) I think that Smart is a townread for many people and I think he's taking that position in a way that makes me more confident that he's town. One thing that I noticed is that he specifically says that he's "obvious town" and I think that mafia would likely be a little more careful about that status and not want to lose it.
- (RC interactions) If Smart is scum, then it seems to me like his big fear would be RC (because now we know that they cannot be scum together). It doesn't seem like he would want to come out of the gate on Day 2 being combative towards him. Also, there's that question that just cannot be avoided as to why Smart would highlight RC's ability to read him if he's scum. These are the things that are making me think he's town.
- (Read on me) Aside from interactions with RC, I did find it weird that he decides that the reason that he decides to downgrade his read from me as obvious town to me as a sorting priority is that he thinks I'm a skilled player. It's definitely a big difference between Day 1, where he stubbornly had me as his top townread in the face of multiple questioning. I think I can understand opinions changing after a night phase though.
- (GL interactions) I also think that Smart's interactions with GL were definitely plausible as a partner, but I think his series of posts after the hammer up until start of Day 2 were also pretty town. Especially this:
In post 1226, Something_Smart wrote:I'm actually kinda annoyed about that hammer now, I don't think GL was the right wagon today at all.
Certainly could be fake, but it fits in the context of his thought process and I think it's likely to come from town.
Skygazer:
Spoiler:
- (RC townread) A part of my suspicion regarding Skygazer was that early on, she said that she thought RC was town, and RC responded that he expected her to be a "paranoid ass" and Skygazer said "Wait, do you want me to be a paranoid ass?" Or something to that effect. I thought that was a very weird response, and I guess this is less in my mind now that she's alluding to some role-related reasons to be not paranoid about it.
I think this is actually very noteworthy (!!!!) for the fact that it seemingly means that RC might necessarily have to be town. Either Sky is scum, which means that RC is town, or Sky is town, which means that she's not lying about her reasons not to vote RC.
- (GL interactions) So Skygazer said that she was reluctant to vote GL here:
In post 1204, Skygazer wrote:still think gl is p low info but w/ 20 hours left i'll swing that way if needed
which was the reason I originally said that they were not likely to be partners. I thought that Skygazer would have to either plan out that series of posts or spontaneously decide to bus GL. If they are partners, I think that the first scenario is much more likely than the second, and I think that these two posts could certainly be faked but I just think it's likely that they aren't. I will note that this
In post 655, GuiltyLion wrote:Sky I could go either way on, probably need a flip or two first
is a minor red flag.
- (Day 2) I think that Skygazer, if mafia, isn't in a super good position, and I think she has to take the wagons that she can get. I do think it's somewhat notable that she is the most vote-happy currently. Originally the "nice scumclaim" post was perfectly fitting into this idea that I had of her, but this was shaken by the fact that she seemingly went into my posts, read through them and found a reason to unvote.
Enigma:
Spoiler:
- (GL interactions) I think that this
In post 876, Enigma wrote:ehh i dont what i had that let me try just being original
town
oka
rc
gl
nimueh = ss = apthnet
stk
sky
scum
i don't even like my sky read that much, but mainly because it seems like she is just around and posting but not really getting anywhere.
is a very comfortable place to put a partner. Just above the null pile but not too much above the null pile.
- (Day 1 wagon) Like I said before, I think Enigma as scum is more the careful slippery type (similarly to GL I'm thinking). This also seems like a pretty suspicious reaction to a wagon:
In post 1132, Enigma wrote:yes my activity this day has been meh so far, and im not going to argue against that - but if you are going to vote me make a serious case, and make sure other townies make a serious case too, rather than useless jumps onto me because this will provide nothing useful for town when i flip
Enigma also voted Oka "out of self-preservation" which I think actually could be a post that comes from town. I do think that Enigma is a very plausible partner though and he has been playing a very similar game to GL.
Me:
Spoiler:
I agree that it is likely for GL's partner to be bussing him. I also think it's possible that his partner was not. In any case, I think you can agree that I have the foresight to understand how bussing should go in this situation. To give you an insight into my thought process at the time:
I had made it clear that my two top reads for mafia were Skygazer and GL, Skygazer more so. Here's what happened.
- I voted Skygazer.
- People went off on me for being bad. RC specifically said that I was making "scumpost after scumpost after scumpost."
- Upset at hearing him say this, I decided to go off and sulk in silence until I was prodded.
- When I came back (having continued to read actively in my absence) the town wasn't particularly cohesive and several people were thrown around for voting (Enigma, you (Oka), me, GL).
So in this case, I have several options. If I'm scum, I either want to resign to GL dying and position myself as favorably as possible or do my best to make GL not die. What I did was vote GL without any further justification, right before Nimueh told me that Skygazer wasn't getting wagoned and what I would go to as an alternative. I responded with a lighthearted "nice timing!" Laughs were had. This means that if I'm scum, I'm either
- Not trying very hard to plan for the future
- Actively making a decision that will weaken my position later so I can make this exact argument right now in this post right here.
I think it makes far more sense to do any of the following:
- Fully commit and try to actively get GL killed and position myself into a more active and controlling role in the group
- Stubbornly stick to Skygazer and try to get people to join me
- Switch to another wagon altogether. I do think that saying something like "well, I don't know about it, but I do trust RC so I guess I'll vote Oka" is not as far out of the question as you think, and that Enigma was another possible option).
That's how I view the situation anyway.
Scum didn’t bus in TRO, which was also or in TMBoS, both micros. Do you know any micros where this occurred?
No, it’s just a temporarily ordered list, I’m really not confident on most of the order. I think Enigma has the highest equity of being Lion’s partner. If he flips green, I will need to re-evaluate but pretty sure SS/RC are town anyway.
In post 1321, Something_Smart wrote:I really don't feel like I'm qualified to sort Sky or apthet confidently enough to bet the game on it. I'm pretty sure Nimueh is town, I'd like to think I'm pretty obviously town at this point. This game has been so low activity that townhunting is very likely the best way to go.
Nimueh
SS
RC
Sky
apthet
Oka
—————
Enigma?
Could u explain this readslist to me.
Also scum bus. I like bus
But how common is it in micros?
I already did. Enigma is my strongest sr and SS/RC, my strongest trs. If Enigma flips green, I will re-evaluate based on the wagon formations.
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Post #1362 (isolation #259) » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:29 pm
Postby Nimueh »
In post 1359, OkaPoka wrote:Why are you more confident in SS and rc town over me
Why would scum!SS complain post-hammer about possible Lion mislynch? Plus, he has been one of my strongest trs out of the gate. RC, more gut than anything else. His most recent interactions with SS, seem extremely unlikely to come from scum. I will fight either wagon because I feel the most confident about those two being probable mislynches.
