Large Normal 220: Jazz Mafia [Game Over!]

[Vorkuta]

Hey again to most of you guys and nice to meet you Krazy, Tet, LucianRoy, Airick, Firebringer, Enigma, and BoomBoom
VOTE: FL
Should we get this out of the way now instead of postponing it?

[Vorkuta]

That's not Jazz.

[Vorkuta]

I think Jenga

*grumbles* that game left a sour taste in my mouth but thanks for letting me know

frost bolts

[Vorkuta]

My OCD demands I get every pagetop in this game.

Challenge accepted

[Vorkuta]

Wait Firebringer- have we played in 2 games previously?.....

*grumbles* that game left a sour taste in my mouth but thanks for letting me know

Does this apply to you as well?

[Vorkuta]

*looks down your sig*
*looks back at you*
k

[Vorkuta]

Hey Saudade- can you elaborate on your claim a bit more?

/s

[Vorkuta]

This guy

[Vorkuta]

I already invited FL to tango- (Boogie? Swing? What do you jazz to?)
You can have the next one.

Also nice pagetop @sky

[Vorkuta]

Is this a scumclaim?

The opposite- town!vork gets more pagetops than scum!vork

[Vorkuta]

Is this a scumclaim?

The opposite- town!vork gets more pagetops than scum!vork

1

pagetop. It checks out.

FTFY

[Vorkuta]

Shoot I'm going to eat so I can't snag the next few pagetops

I'm always very relaxed and humorous- what are you on about?

[Vorkuta]

Wait no this one

[Vorkuta]

Tablet pagetop snagging is hard.

Accepting any and all town blocks.
Please invite me to them

[Vorkuta]

vorkuta is conftown.

Shit
VOTE: Saudade Time to boogie

[Vorkuta]

No- I'm intentionally obfuscating/compensating my playstyle so you can't meta me.

townclaim

[Vorkuta]

u sound like me.

Woah. Mad respect for Vorkuta. He sounds like younger me.

We can be friends.

Tell me oh great one- if I follow this path do I eventually

git gud

become decent at this game?

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

Lil Uzi Vert

Krazy

ofrhz

Vorkuta meeeeee

Tet

Flavor Leaf

LucianRoy
Baezu

Saudade

The Last Knight
Airick10

skitter30

enigma

Firebringer

BoomBoom
BrightEyedFish
NerfedBuJ

The rest of you- dance/impress me.
Oh and VOTE: Buj

[Vorkuta]

Fire engages people directly as town and shitposts a lot, as scum he acts more like a mediator. It's hard to explain more clearly than that and he'll probably disagree with me not using a ninja or samurai metaphor in here somewhere

I have nothing to go on but this meta read, but I like how it's written.

I'm not committed to Scum Leaf yet, I saw one thing that townpinged me and three things that scumpinged me which isn't significant enough for Boon's usual rate of scumpinging me yet. I am a bit worried his scumread on me was functionally political but he said something else that was... maybe townie.

Krazy sounds like he can read FL eventually- I need that in my townblock

As a general dynamic, as town you want committed decisions about you and other players. You saying "leave it for another day" is more the sort of "leave it alone dynamic" you had in overkill.

Also, if I AM supposed to be using the principles from compromise on you, shouldn't I be taking your first post town claim as a scumclaim?

Logic and sense. I approve.

Krazy can be town

[Vorkuta]

It's gonna be a no from me dawg.

Well that's why your name isn't struckthrough (

strikethrough'd

?)

Hello! I have an

Eli

read on FL. Hi.

Can I get that in something more understandable?
Explain like I'm 5 (Eli5) please

[Vorkuta]

Morality win against

us

.

altslip?

Tet

I would say that it is not the path for those seeking glory or becoming amazing.

stfu you're horrible i dont like you

[Vorkuta]

I thought that was a hypothetical "IF" and not an actual outing.
Sweet- great to have you on board.

[Vorkuta]

I don't like BEF, BoomBoom, Buj.
Ofrhz and Lucian can be null town

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Boomboom

[Vorkuta]

I'm not liking Vorkuta right now...

I also not like you too. /s

I'm intentionally obfuscating/compensating my playstyle so you can't meta me.

Am I not allowed to try new things/play in a new way?
Do you want the old!vork to sink his fangs in you and not let go until you get lynched?
I could do that, but I'd rather not.

[Vorkuta]

I appreciate Saudade's

personal vendetta

hypertunnel

dedication to the BoomBoom flip.

@boomboom

the case on you is

rock solid

"meh" at best- can you come by and defend yourself so I can see what happens?

[Vorkuta]

Dammit I townread firebringer.... I missed out on ^

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: BEF
Laziness is a scumtell

saudade might be mason

[Vorkuta]

Wrong.
I've only played in autumn's farewell with you, and the BEF wagon founders were in fact town.

well played

[Vorkuta]

Can someone please make

[Vorkuta]

sky use your mod colors

also BEF wagon- all aboard

please

!

[Vorkuta]

avoiding attention

I'm town hunting, and most of the activity is bants/memes that I'm not in on

semi-active

still in the top half of the activity log so.... go bug other people

[Vorkuta]

But if you wanted to get in on these

bants

(what is this?), you could.

banter
I'm polite enough to not stick my nose where it doesn't belong.

I've already ruled out like 1/3 < ~ < 1/2 of the players so this is still a work in progress.
Like Lucian/Buj/orfhz are saying stuff but I'm not impressed enough to TR them.
Boomboom/BEF/Baezu can be "joke" scum for reasons that I don't understand

Airick and enigma are... erm.... yeah...

[Vorkuta]

BoomBoom (3): Saudade, Airick10

@MODDDDD

sorry to disturb, but would you kindly adjust the number accordingly? much obliged

I like my BEF vote where it is.

[Vorkuta]

Enigma is not scum because a player receiving a scum role would be more excited to play

This is horrible reasoning.

[Vorkuta]

Wrong.
I've only played in autumn's farewell with you, and the BEF wagon founders were in fact town.

well played

No

[Vorkuta]

Vorkuta, when you play scum is there a certain way you behave around specific people or do you try to act the same around everyone?

Idk, I only rolled mafia once and my thought process that game was fairly transparent in the scum!PT.
First off- I don't know like half the roster well enough to """play around""" them or what not.

Make your question better?

[Vorkuta]

I don't like how BEF is dismissing my 100% serious case against him.
But I like my VOTE: Buj votes better as I'm not really bought

[Vorkuta]

I'm just waiting for a pagetop

[Vorkuta]

Shoot

Anyway- not behind a skitter wagon

[Vorkuta]

#biased modding

[Vorkuta]

FL, just say the word and I uncross skitter.

[Vorkuta]

Does scum!skitter get caught D1 though?
Like no!FL gets caught D1. Does skitter?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Skitter L-2
Dance!

J̷͖̊ ̵͉̅A̸̻̿ ̷̡̀Z̸͎̿ ̷͇͆Z̶̦͛
̶̟̒Á̸͉ ̷̻̓Z̸̖̓ ̴̨̈Ẕ̸̄ ̸͖̈́J̸̬̏
̶̘̀Z̸̺̑ ̵̲̉Z̷̢͒ ̷͆ͅJ̷̦̒ ̶̝͌A̶̗̍
̸̡́Z̴̝͘ ̵̗̇J̸͈͐ ̸̬̈́A̴̩͑ ̵̝̾Z̷̜̀

- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography.

@MODDDDDD

[Vorkuta]

Was it your goal to out yourself D1, or were you holding on until later?
back to VOTE: Buj

[Vorkuta]

And Vorkuta, can you not scum it up? I only have enough town cred to get Krazy through the day.

I'm sorry papa leaf, I will keep my head down and follow uncle dinosaur

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Baezu 3/9

[Vorkuta]

papa leaf said no krazy

[Vorkuta]

wait is the mod trolling us again?

[Vorkuta]

Btw I had no intention of following through on a skitter lynch- I voted based on FL's suggestion and would've unvoted (have proven track record of doing this) on intent to hammer.
The wagon progression was to help people scum hunt.

You guys have seen my readlist in #445 right?
Please tell me all of you have seen this before throwing out accusations

I am pushing Buj independently- he's just not responding to me

[Vorkuta]

Your AtEs and interactions with others feel slightly off, your reads feel forced and agenda-driven.
Other people have said this, yet there's no "real wagon" on you.

[Vorkuta]

Papa leaf said krazy slot is town though...

Ankamius is the new Krazy! Welcome her!

Oh cool

[Vorkuta]

Firebringer and Tet -> Scum

No- I like them.
They can be town

[Vorkuta]

I hate to break it to you but Baezu is on V/LA.
Which means that a "wagon" on Baezu will just sit there and be useless until she comes back to say stuff.
Like sure we can track wagon behavior (or get a lol!quicklynch in) but ultimately it's extremely unfair/bad/pointless

In the meanwhile, let's {Buj/Boom/BEF}!

[Vorkuta]

Actually....VOTE: orfhz
I see something fishy

[Vorkuta]

Our reads are like the exact opposite with him towning the B's.
Also if this is true

err ofrhz and me started a scum!skitter wagon d1 and lynched in a game that just finished so i like to think i can read her

Then why wasn't this brought up/bragged about earlier?
Like I would expect there to be more interaction between the 2 if that was the case and that's not a thing so....

[Vorkuta]

Could you refresh me on why all of these people are scum?

because their names start with B and this is a jazz mafia themed game

Buj: #1072 feels like he's trying to stir stuff up for the sake of stirring things up as opposed to actually "solving" and is making AtEs that I don't buy

Spoiler:

And since my entry post is apparently so scummy how about a little context. I had no interest in joining this game

In fact I would expect at least one paranoid townie thinking me v. Skitter was theater also but that didn't happen. Instead I get called out for 'bad logic'

Why am I wrong in misreading such theatrics as SvS distancing?

BEF: APPARENTLY has a "naturally" scumy posting/playstyle even as town (played with in Autumn'sfarewell and was fed this meta over there), but the "laziness" the "semi-troll" ISO and his "D1 BEF wagon = scumtell" nonsense still ping me even when filtered through the meta lens. Also I REALLY don't like

Spoiler:

I have been passive maybe semi-intentionally

BoomBoom: uh..... have you ISO'd him recently? If he doesn't step up then....

[Vorkuta]

Actually I want VOTE: BoomBoom more.

I suppose other people here will read ofrhz better than I can.
We (nick and I) only have half of a D1's worth of game-time together so idk anything about him

[Vorkuta]

The specific reason why I can’t actually talk about right now

ah yes *redacted* reasons.
I'll buy it

[Vorkuta]

How good do you think your reads on the B pool are?

I mean look it's D1, and I in my grand total of.... 10~15(?) games on this site, I don't think I've had a STRONG/SOLID correct D1 scum read, however that doesn't mean I'm going to completely roll over and give up on trying.
I see things that ping me, and I say that stuff.

With regards to the "tone" that Buj is setting- I only received gut pings and other people's cases against him made sense. Ofc I'm going to say it was "more-or-less independent" of my read on him but... yeah.
town!buj would feel like the type of player who wouldn't have to resort to such measures and would've responded more "levelheadedly...?" (if that's a thing)

I don't see a difference between a Baezu wagon and a BoomBoom wagon. Literally (to me) the only difference between the 2 slots is that Baezu jumped on Skitter while Boom was afk/offline/

lurking

while that exchange took place.
Seeing as we can't get anything out of Baezu (V/LA) in the forseeable future, let's Boom.

[Vorkuta]

I'm 3 for 3, on a roll here.

What mean by this?
reads..?

[Vorkuta]

pagetops

*grrrrr*

Are you saying this based off meta? Or based off sizing them up as a player?

Sizing him up as a player. I don't have a completed game with him yet.

[Vorkuta]

Why would you vote anyone if you are not willing to lynch there

Is this like... a serious question?

There are 50 reasons to vote somebody if not to achieve a lynch (outside of RVS)- pressure/claim/wagon analysis/sheeping/sending a message/reactiontesting/whathaveyou

Like come on
skitter was taunting at that point, plus papa leaf told me to.
and THEN I scratched my head and said "hmmmm", but she used her IC card before anything real happened so crisis averted.

[Vorkuta]

Plus it's possible town!Vork's scumreads are just plain bad given his bad reasoning.

Quoting this so I can ISO myself and find this for postgame

on the off chance that I get it right

[Vorkuta]

The legendary creature catchup posts- a thousand posts in the game, and he starts from the beginning.
This post is just to make sure you don't get an uncontested page all to yourself

[Vorkuta]

It's ok because we interrupted you

[Vorkuta]

Is my SR on Vork really that bad?

You literally OMGUS'd me and that's it.

Like people saying "vork sheeps" "vork wrong" I can buy, but not your case.

[Vorkuta]

And he hasn't changed his read on me I think he's afraid of how it will look to sheep in and sheep out of that scumread

You haven't done anything to address my concerns

I'm with with sheeping and unsheeping given decent reasons- the LUV wagon only exists because our IC blinked and idk if I buy it

[Vorkuta]

he's the one who I remember being so active D1. And there isn't really anyone doing that here.

o_0

Is this like... for real?
-Different game/different cliques/inside jokes/players/RTI....
-Explicitly stated that I want to try changing my play-style instead of what I usually do as I want a nice/chill/laidback game
-Look at the activity count maybe..?
-Just no.

[Vorkuta]

Idk I stopped paying attention to him after he claimed mason

jk- you're great saudade!

[Vorkuta]

Spoiler:

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Is there a "why" there?

[Vorkuta]

Don't take it so personally?

all good- spirit of the game

I'm too much of a newbie to intentionally do WIFOM stuff.
I was just explicitly stating "hey, I've seen a bunch of people do something else, and imma be trying that IN THIS GAME".

[Vorkuta]

Is he not in V/LA?

[Vorkuta]

You claiming to be different means that your flip contains information.

My PR play is active yet not very "attention drawey" (Mini-Normal 2058 & BTX) in the hopes that I get to use my night actions to revolutionize the game.
This play is just... 'meh' with casual popins and quick reads that are underdeveloped and mainly gut

[Vorkuta]

Ugh I don't want to read you. Is that a bad reason to lynch you?

Quoted so I can have this in my ISO and use it later

[Vorkuta]

Damn it... how do I town myself more this game?
Do I get a pass if I vote ank?

I don't think she's scum though

[Vorkuta]

nor do i feel like i know how to read you, now that i think about it

Cool- so working as intended!

[Vorkuta]

Do you guys want another ank vote?
I don't know if I approve, but for wagon purposes I can

[Vorkuta]

Lynching? no.
Getting him to L-1 so his mason claim should be verified? Anti-town but might be interesting

[Vorkuta]

and his mason partner confirms then how does thst help town on D1?

3/17 conf!town? I'll take it

And sure he can be quite troll-ey/shitpost-ey at times but like other slots are quite guilty of similar behavior.
Example: A quick ISO of dinosaur (fire) shows similar levels of "fun"

[Vorkuta]

willing to sheep papa leaf anywhere but ank

[Vorkuta]

Wut ur n ths gam

Did you not see me?
You told me to vote skitter and now people scum read me for it

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: vork

Lawl nice try

[Vorkuta]

I dont have solid townreads on anyone which is odd for me I usually get at least one

*raises hand*

[Vorkuta]

I'm still on BoomBoom btw

pedit
That seems balanced.... if the game were one night ultimate werewolf

[Vorkuta]

I'm a simple person- I see a scum claim, I vote a scum claim.
VOTE: A50

[Vorkuta]

Hey guys- I want to play
How would I go about doing that?

[Vorkuta]

Primarily Skitter/Lucian/Orfhz and a bit of Enigma splashed in there.
I don't think there's anything to ask them about Buj's tone as... they've explained it quite well/nicely.

I haven't really taken their current feelings (skitter's change in stance for instance) into consideration as I can't "unping" stuff from my gut

[Vorkuta]

Hi guys im mason

Apparently in their first post

[Vorkuta]

Yeah that slot is just a trainwreck

I just liked Krazy and he felt sincere. That's pretty much the only reason why.
However now that A50 has uh.... continued the train wreck, I'm just going with the flow on this one

[Vorkuta]

Idk- every time I stand up against the tide it's either wrong or just a waste of everybody's time so I just sheep

[Vorkuta]

Maybe he has a funky role/wincon?
Venge?

[Vorkuta]

You must not have played many games with creature

[Vorkuta]

I mean that's the impression I got from Buj.
It could be wrong/invalid, but that's also combined with my size-up of him and it feels really out of touch.

[Vorkuta]

bef is also town

so is buj

*grumbles*

[Vorkuta]

*rolls eyes*
Yes- this is optimal scum play right here

[Vorkuta]

I mean I'm going to say it's scummy regardless of his "mafia policies" and "favorites", as I can't see any nuance from behind my bujisscum-tinted glasses.
And he wasn't sheeping me- I didn't start the wagon

[Vorkuta]

out of a joke.

No.

I'm just not falling for his pitiful WIFOM attempt.

[Vorkuta]

a50 out of a joke.

-your slot is more of a joke
-vote buj literally for the same reason, except he actually has scum equity

[Vorkuta]

out of a joke.

No.

I'm just not falling for his pitiful WIFOM attempt.

[Vorkuta]

I was lynched because of my pathetic WIFOM attempt.

As will A50 be in this game.
I see no problem.

And link this cryptic game to us so we can have proper context

[Vorkuta]

But there's no convenient way to do it so I won't.

The ISO button right next to the post # is more useful IMHO
viewtopic.php?p=10949669&user_select%5B ... #p10949669 A50's

Also I'm 99% I found the game- can I out it?
If not then ANYWAY- I'm still not convinced

[Vorkuta]

I mean yes- I TR'd Krazy, and was against an Ank lynch
However A50 scumclaimed. I am a very surface lever player so *shrugs*

Also do I out the game that you've been alluding to?

[Vorkuta]

Boom's the one embarrassed by it- not you

[Vorkuta]

I was in that game?

No you aren't.

YES or NO do I out it or are you going to beat around the bush for an hour?

[Vorkuta]

I was lynched because of my pathetic WIFOM attempt.

Claiming past self meta= relevant to this game
It needs to be analyzed and the circumstances need to be compared

[Vorkuta]

Also casual pagetop seems to be up for grabs

[Vorkuta]

I can go nick

ahem

but you have the worst reasoning for voting people

[Vorkuta]

Scum don't suddenly grow cajones.

Counterpoint:
Grew cajones as scum- several players here can confirm

@Fire - Vorkuta hard straight faced pushed a scum on me when I was town Vig he was scum and said I shot my own scum partner, Hit, after I Vig shot Hit bold.

@Boom.
Wtf is your line of reasoning

[Vorkuta]

#1226 #1228 and a bunch of gaps that I've decided to fill in- your lucian case felt forced and Krazy's #651 gave me something.
And other stuff

[Vorkuta]

I am saying that Almost50 made a joke as a way of telling he got a town role.

Do you have experience playing with A50?

OTHER PLAYERS have said that he's a really gambitty player akin to FL and WIFOM'ing like this is entirely in his scumrange.
Do you have meta evidence to the contrary?

[Vorkuta]

Why would you listen to my opinion on Buj's slot if you think I've been scummy all this time?

-Are you lying to me about Buj?

-In the off chance that you're town and Buj is scum, this is relevant
-If you're both scum, you're distancing/slightly bussing which means that there's a healthy dose of truth in that

[Vorkuta]

Boom- are you for real with this?
You're relying on time discrepancies and trying to "gotcha" someone for not being glued to the keyboard and mashing F5 on this forum

like me

[Vorkuta]

A good solid 6 minutes of Tet and ofrhz being frozen up, not saying anything.

he dare say that it's an hour ago when I made the question

Congrats, you won. They scum slipped by not paying attention to the time. You get a gold star. /s

You actually said that my read on Buj impacted your read on him

Valid arguments and points can come from anywhere- the source being rotten and filthy does not diminish the validity of the actual points made.
My scum lean on you is independent of your connection to Buj, so I'm able to separate my scum!nick and scum!buj cases. Any!nick's points augment/apply to scum!buj's case.

[Vorkuta]

"My mom made me wash the dishes" or something along those words, would make me believe your excuse.

Get owned

[Vorkuta]

Don't forget Buj

[Vorkuta]

VIs don't get a pass- this could be a show, and the fact that he's played in a few more games on his main heavily implies this.
I can speculate and hallucinate up 20 reasons for why he's pulling this, but I do not accept a refuge-in-audacity defense for this guy.

Also IRC? Wow the nostalgia

[Vorkuta]

So you're saying we're all getting baited hard? It wouldn't be the first time.

That's the vibe I'm getting. There's a certain amount of plausibility I'm willing to tolerate from his circus performance, but he pushed it too far and is now a really strong scum read of mine.

but votes Vorkuta

I was annoying him more at the time

but I am not sure yet what to make of them defending me then joining my wagon!!

I was

defending

Town reading your predecessors, not you.
It's not my place to come up with ideas for why you've decided to give up and scumclaim.

S/o to irc lmao

cheers to the good old days, idlerpgs, xdcc bots, and all that

[Vorkuta]

She tried a while ago and it was a naked solo vote that got literally no attention/traction.

Also saudade's amazing protection of me probably has something to do with it iMHO.

[Vorkuta]

Saudade: Saudade

How would I know? Your guess is as good as any.
Maybe he (or anyone he's been chatting with) soul reads me, maybe he's pocketing a young/naive/impressionable vork for the future, maybe he has my rolePM, maybe he's in my room and on my computer.

Full disclosure- a game (BooneyTunez XI) that a bunch of us were in has just finished so who knows what he has on me

I won't look a gift horse in the mouth and question his protection, regardless of the occasional alarm bell that his posts cause in my head

[Vorkuta]

No stop you don't get a whole page

[Vorkuta]

Hes just cruising through the day fluffposting

Anyone not lazy and stupid should be able to debunk this statement in a matter of seconds.

Am not lazy but only slightly stupid.
Several minutes in => still not debunked.

[Vorkuta]

you're not only slightly

How do I git gud?

[Vorkuta]

Anyone want to talk about these slots

Do I count?

[Vorkuta]

I mean you know my reads and my completely 100% ironclad logic behind them.
I'll sheep FL/Skitter/Saudade and actually activate later on

[Vorkuta]

Why waste your time and effort on me when you know at least half of this players list is going to have their eyes on me night and day?

Hi I'm new here
Should I have my eyes on you?

[Vorkuta]

No- BAD skitter

[Vorkuta]

I mean I think it's common courtesy to divulge some things, especially seeing as how our reads of each other are most definitely going to be affected by that game.

That was done without my consent, and the 2 players responsible for that already had a nice successful gambit as town in a PREVIOUS game (BTX) that I was part of. Several characters in the game would've given me a really hard and painful time so I decided to just roll over and go with the flow. (Kind of what I'm doing right now hmmmm)

[Vorkuta]

P.S. I never had the intention to even make a mention of that game here,

Have I opened up some floodgates?

[Vorkuta]

Now what do you learn from sheeping someone who is either wrong or is playing you?

That I should stop getting played. Very helpful learning experience IMHO.
There was another game where I just sheeped a solid town player to victory and it turned out quite well.
If I can't make 3~5 good/solid scum reads, then the next best thing is to make like 1 good town read and follow them from there.
Hell you're a mechanical player- the odds of randomly rolling a die and picking 1 player to just blindly assume is conf!100%town are quite favorable no?

The #1 rule of playing with me is to be afraid of me (

Spooky.
If you say so.
VOTE: A50

I'm already voting here but this is just for show

You've scared me waay to much with your WIFOM "I'm scum" that I don't buy that it's a "hey I'm acting scummy to draw out scum".
I've tried that in what I considered to be my first "real"

newbie but still

game on this site and separating the wheat from the chaff afterwards is difficult. Maybe you're experienced enough to be able to do it, but seeing as you SR me.... no.

[Vorkuta]

I mean look- I have no illusions about having any "useful" role in this game, with this player base.
If scum slips up, someone else will spot it. If I have a gut read, someone else will have a better gut read.
As a certain someone once said to me "Your reads on either of us mean jack shit. You wouldn't catch either of us as scum"

So I'm just doing what I can here and there, and have the occasional gut read that I broadcast to the world (the 4Bs, a tiny bit on orfhz, and A50 (but not your predecessors)).

pedit
Hi Baezu! Come and play!

[Vorkuta]

Like right now I'm torn between giving you town points for the genuine sincere "aww it's a newbie- let's help him and make him better!", or if this is a huge LAMIST wave that you've managed to be in the right place and the right time to ride.
Either way, there's no way in hell I'm every going to be able to develop a case on you, MUCH LESS actually convince others that' it's a RIGHT case and to follow me on it.

So I sheep

So, are you saying your play style is being a sheep?

Depends on the player cast, depends on the roles at hand, depends on a bunch of things.
Like you saw BTXI- I sure as hell wasn't sheeping there and

tried

to stand up against the tide.

In this game, there is a lot of pre-existing player dynamic, every good player here has like 3/4 "counterweights" who can solve their slot,

inb4 someone objects

, and quite a few wild cards.
I can't do shit so ^ I sheep

And so are the odds of them being wrong

That's... not how probability works...
I'm not invoking it or using it to support a point or anything- I'm just saying that random chance is more effective than my scum tells and gut pings.

You''l either learn

One day/game, I will git gud.
It'll probably be next game

[Vorkuta]

I mean, it's hard to argue with someone who has such low self-esteem/confidence.

It's not that- I'm just trying out a new thing and working with a different and more passive playstyle (as announced very loudly in this game) as
-my current one is meh
-I can still abuse my newbie card for a bit
-if not now then when?

Just don't sheep anyone and make your own judgements

This is your entire point.
I've made my own judgements, however I don't have sufficient means/opportunity to push them forward, so the next best thing is to sheep imho.
I'm also being picky/choosy/selective about who/what I sheep- observe the lack of desire to sheep papa leaf's ank push (oh the irony)

[Vorkuta]

Get on my level you little shite

You don't want to go down that route. Trust me. Let's be civil and play the game properly.

You're supposed to respond with something along the lines of "hey guys I'm also mason", thus effectively

dropping

elevating yourself to master saudade's level of play

[Vorkuta]

Vorkuta one more word and youll be todays mislynch

F

[Vorkuta]

That's just pure and unfiltered opportunism.
Let me decide whether you deserve and OMGUS vote

[Vorkuta]

I could sheep but I'm waiting for someone to be like "this is a scum!creature post" which is apparently how you sort his alignment

[Vorkuta]

It's creature.
-He's lazy
-I can't be bothered reading through his hyper posting AGAIN; it was painful the first time
-He already called me stupid

He's very picky and choosy about what posts he decides to comment on and that really sucks, so I can buy "fake engagement" from him, but meh.
I was told he's easy to read so I defer judgment to people who've played with creature before.

[Vorkuta]

General rule of thumb if Creature has more posts than me and >100% are fluff hes probtown.

this is town creature.

This is exactly the type of stuff I was hoping for when I posted #2236/2238

[Vorkuta]

Oh this is just pefect. I'm sorry, but I can't resist
Hey Elsa

hi, nice to meet you, blah blah blah

- Quick question: does the following sound VERY familiar to you?
It's funny that you rep'd in firebringer's slot so I ask

Spoiler:

Firebringer I played a game with you before on a different account, mind playing a guessing game?

- I used a gambit Day 1.
- The first one to vote me was scum.
- I was lynched Day 1.
- I was a vanilla townie.
- You are the most experienced and skilled player in that game.
- You regretted lynching me, saying that you got all your reads wrong.
- One of your townread is actually scum, and has an anime profile picture, with a name starting with letter "A".
- Everyone agreed that this "A" guy was "town" on Day 1.
- This "A" guy did not aggressively lynch me, he asked me questions first, before voting me in the end.
- I voted scum on my first vote.

[Vorkuta]

Yes- he 1000!% town read me, as should you

/s

[Vorkuta]

Hey no wait- I think we got off on the wrong foot

Skitter almost 1v1'd FL and was openwolfing (slayer gambit?) until a wagon formed then got IC revealed. #939
Saudade has been claiming mason every other post (I'm sure you spotted it)
A50's slot has had 2 rep's in who each had varying degrees of scumminess and he also openwolfed #1787

What else happened?
There's some core-townblock I think, and you might be in it

[Vorkuta]

Baezu also should come out and play and may seriously warrant a policy lynch...

[Vorkuta]

Why are you voting an IC?

Didn't change vote since predecessor lel
#1635

[Vorkuta]

Dammit I liked papa dinosaur
He was going to teach me how to play mafia properly

[Vorkuta]

but has a partner claimed or nah?

Nope

Boom claimed VT #633

[Vorkuta]

*rolls eyes*
No

[Vorkuta]

That was fire trying to troll/"gotcha" Ank immediately after her rep in.

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: Elsa
fixing that

[Vorkuta]

This is like the 3rd time this game

>open wolfs
>gets votes
>AHAHHAAaAAAAA!!!

I'm a simple person- I see a scum claim, I vote

[Vorkuta]

Uh huh.

I mean if you looked at the VCs (which I thought you did) you'd see that papa dinosaur never got a single vote on him so there wasn't "defense" so much as "there were other people to push".

But you bring up an excellent point- he's been fluff posting and riding it out on memes alone, and now's a good time as any to examine your slot.

[Vorkuta]

No- BAD skitter

y tho

i am kinda laying back a bit because i'd feel a little bit bad having everyone sheep me and being wrong

[Vorkuta]

Because I'm not scum *shrugs*

/s

Your only reason for voting me is because I'm being lazy and sheeping and you've probably already got to the point where I explained myself to A50 for that.
Then you're reason for voting me is "because I have few reasons to TR vork", yet there are like 5 others here that you shouldn't be TRing anyway, so that logic is out the window.

What's worse is that you're going to get others to sheep you (case in point- LUV and elsa) whereas they should be the ones under a magnifying glass.

[Vorkuta]

1: Didn't think to read VCs on their own without context.

Do I buy this? Do I buy this...? *sighs* I buy this.

I say we gotta find a coral leader.

It sure as hell isn't me- my reads have been ignored and brushed away.
Lucian is probably the most 'contrarian' in terms of TRs and SRs if I remember correctly

[Vorkuta]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vorkuta

uh huh
Oh that's not a sheep, that's an independently developed SR that just so randomly coincides with our IC's vote.
Heehee! Not sheeping though!

No.

[Vorkuta]

I’m not sheeping Skitter?

You're sheeping

[Vorkuta]

did the amished tell thing (go on and on about how scummy your pred was)

Anyway this is gold. How do I cash in on these glorious town points?

[Vorkuta]

Yeah but I want some thrown my way too- for my glorious role in this exchange

[Vorkuta]

Now your just trying to take credit from her.

Wtf I literally started this

It's "credit" only because she verified that I indeed have a solid case on scum!Elsa, but I demand full accolades for starting it.

[Vorkuta]

Demanding

heavily insisting

If you didn't read that as tongue in cheek then...

you couldn't bother to make one for yourself.

Uh huh
I voted for you
Presented the beginnings of a case

AND THEN SKITTER CAME

Right

[Vorkuta]

You voted me because I pointed out scummy things you ignored until then

I voted for you because you were open wolfing about how nasty your predecessor was.

I've already quoted the amished definition so even a newbie like me should get it by now.

THESE CASES are more or less one and the same, just rephrased in slightly different ways.
And ffs the claiming credit is done semi-jokingly

[Vorkuta]

Well doing things jokingly means your not commiting now to what you said, so therefore you just wanted to see if you could grab (demand) credit.

........fine time to spoonfeed
#2293 & #2295 are the beginnings of my case on you
#2319 is the first time skitter has scum cased you
Chronology points -> vork
#2332 is me 100% seriously asking for imaginary towncred points for ^

I COMMIT to my scum read of ELSA
I DO NOT COMMIT to demanding town credit points from other people

but it would be very much appreciated

Resolved?

[Vorkuta]

hypocritical of you to accuse anyone of sheeping

It can be hypocritical sure, but that doesn't mean that other

better

people should stoop down to my level.

^My vote stays until I see you doing something on your own.

This is a joke yes?
I give you an elsa case ON MY OWN with skitters blessing and this is how you treat me?

[Vorkuta]

smh, and Vork calls me the most 'contrarian'.

Maybe in the first half of the game

This is honestly my main qualm with that slot.

Can you do me the courtesy of going after the ~5 other slots that have been doing EXACTLY THIS?
In my defense, at least I have the gall to openly admit and tell people that "nope sorry" while others are keeping their head down

[Vorkuta]

That runs slightly contrary to the "be the more independent and do stuff on your own" line that others have been telling me to do...

[Vorkuta]

I know- I've butted heads with literally everyone on it (but like TLK)

[Vorkuta]

At least you're self aware.

town points please

Btw what's the exchange/progression of "town points accumulated" to "people getting off my wagon"?

[Vorkuta]

[Vorkuta]

{FL, Tet}
{Lucian, Creature, Enigma}
{LUV, TLK}
{orfhz, boom, BEF, Buj}
{A50, Elsa}

Baezu tier: Baezu
Saudade tier: Saudade

Spoiler:

A50 and Elsa have the same open wolfing arguments and hilariously enough I TR'd their predecessor slots.
A50 has a lot of WIFOM inbuilt with his appearance and he has a LAMIST "come play vorkie" approach that makes me WANT to trust him, but he's better than that... Plus I buy skitter's "town!A50 would've put his vote in a more useful place much earlier" line
Elsa... reasons.

Boom and BEF CAN just both be wrong!town but they're the ones that are more sheep happy than I am are the ones staying low and hiding under the radar.
My Buj case seems to have completely gone somewhere while people forgot all about him, so here's a nice and gentle reminder that I still scum lean him.
Orfhz case was presented a while ago.

LUV and TLK are a mixed bag for me because while I'm tempted to OMGUS YOU'RE ALL SCUM them, they don't "feel" scum with their other posts, so much as lazy town. Plus I have 2 BTX games worth of experience with TLK so he has a naturally scummy posting style which I have to filter stuff through.

Lucian can be town with his scum hunting and questions that he's asking, BUT slight tinfoil theory about him being the one derailing anything and everything.
Creature has tet's and FL's ""this is a town!creature"" meta post that I buy more than Saudade's um.... impeccable logic.
Enigma is also an example of someone with a really low content count that I feel should be under a magnifying glass, except I just agree with most of his posts so *shrugs*

Papa Leaf is town unless all 4 people who can allegedly read him... read him, plus we aren't getting a D1 lynch on him anyway so "my read on him means jack shit"
Tet is town and the BoomBoom case is hilarious. Idk this is more of an "my TRs TR him".

[Vorkuta]

Your previous Baezu then back on to Vork votes were testing the waters and following the herd/trend depending on which wagon was gaining more momentum at the time.

[Vorkuta]

Mate, EJ is one off those players I won't consider lynching on D1 regardless. For one thing, he's adorable and funny. For another, he is also one of those who just love to gamble/gambit as either alignment.

Ty for the meta read, now can others confirm?

[Vorkuta]

Can you please name who was bussing and is now pushing Vork?? Thank you.

Almost50 (6): LucianRoy, skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta, NerfedBuJ, Lil Uzi Vert
Vorkuta (6): The Last Knight, Lil Uzi Vert, Elsa Jay, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, BoomBoom

Wagons at their peaks, LUV is the only person on both of them...
Hmm

[Vorkuta]

Mic drop

Shoot, I wanted to believe

[Vorkuta]

All 5 of the wagons right now are on town.

Almost50

wagon

Vorkuta

wagon

LucianRoy

wagon

Elsa Jay

wagon

Baezu

wagon

Tet

we like him

Flavor Leaf

papa leaf

Saudade

mason claim

skitter30

(confirmed as town)

Creature
Enigma
The Last Knight
Lil Uzi Vert
ofrhz
BoomBoom
BrightEyedFish
NerfedBuJ

What do now?

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: LUV for being the only person on both wagons

[Vorkuta]

I want to know who are the scum.

Is this still a town!creature post @Tet & @FL?

[Vorkuta]

It makes me want to facepalm and smash things

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: LUV for being the only person on both wagons

Can you please name who was bussing and is now pushing Vork?? Thank you.

Almost50 (6): LucianRoy, skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Vorkuta, NerfedBuJ, Lil Uzi Vert
Vorkuta (6): The Last Knight, Lil Uzi Vert, Elsa Jay, Almost50, BrightEyedFish, BoomBoom

Wagons at their peaks, LUV is the only person on both of them...
Hmm

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: BEF
Laziness is a scumtell

saudade might be mason

VOTE: Vorkuta
Starting a BEF wagon on D1 is a scumtell.

Is this why?
This is pretty much why isn't it

[Vorkuta]

FL, just say the word and I uncross skitter.

Uncross Skitter and vote her.

Hammer this home.

She said she doesn’t think i could mislynch her when she’s actually close to being lynched, which means she knows I’m not scum and this isn’t me mislynching her.

i don't particularly feel like answering this rn

i mean, 'no compelling reason to not vote me' is not really the same thing as voting me cuz you think i'm scum

also no offense, but i don't really think u *could* mislynch me

Lol, okay. I think you just scum claimed with this.

i actually don't see that logic, but sure

and no, l-3

*sighs*

[Vorkuta]

He posted recently and saw the 24 hour deadline but insists on staying quiet instead

That's ridiculous and I resent that.
IRL issues

[Vorkuta]

If he was a PR he'd have claimed by now to help lead the charge on me instead or something

You clearly haven't seen any of my previous games where I only claim when relevant.
Like even when put to L-2, I don't claim shit.

This is also the case- having me claim literally anything is counter productive and anti town, and the fact that you're PR hunting is only strengthening my case against you.
Your logic (as Buj pointed out) is completely flawed as by that reasoning anyone/everyone who's at L-{3/2/1} for a while should claim, and if they don't it means that they're a VT.

[Vorkuta]

No I mean I got on line, read stuff, I was like "hmm", and then I saw a personal attack.
I dealt with that first, and then addressed the mechanics and gameplay related issues.

[Vorkuta]

Just say yes if you are it's okay nobody here will lynch you

lawl

And if you're going to accuse ME of having great timing to show up/disappear at around close to the deadline, I'm pretty sure Baezu should get infinitely more scrutiny for the timing of when she decided to pop in.

[Vorkuta]

Guh I want to sheep papaleaf but I don't want to look a gifthorse in the mouth.
Can we do orfhz or Boom?

[Vorkuta]

Claiming with like 12 hours before deadline as PR seems like desperate scum.

Since when does vork care about appearances?
Like if I've looked/acted scummy this entire game, why would I all of a sudden care about "oh no, the deadline claim will make me look even worse"

I was not given/told explicitly by authority figures to claim, I do not believe in claiming NOW of all times, and I doubt there's anything to be gained by my claim.

[Vorkuta]

the timing of the vote

Can confirm- attempted to push Buj a while ago and have never received support from FL

[Vorkuta]

@A50- why are you still on me?

[Vorkuta]

The only thing you've had on me is lack of engagement, sheeping, and slight hypocrisy for accusing others of sheeping, and I'm pretty sure I've addressed all of that.
Do you want to do more wagonomics or...?

[Vorkuta]

Who's townreading A50?

All 5 of the wagons right now are on town.

UNVOTE: A50

[Vorkuta]

{FL, Tet}
{Lucian, Creature, Enigma}
{LUV, TLK}
{orfhz, boom, BEF, Buj}
{A50, Elsa}

Baezu tier: Baezu
Saudade tier: Saudade

Spoiler:

A50 and Elsa have the same open wolfing arguments and hilariously enough I TR'd their predecessor slots.
A50 has a lot of WIFOM inbuilt with his appearance and he has a LAMIST "come play vorkie" approach that makes me WANT to trust him, but he's better than that... Plus I buy skitter's "town!A50 would've put his vote in a more useful place much earlier" line
Elsa... reasons.

Boom and BEF CAN just both be wrong!town but they're the ones that are more sheep happy than I am are the ones staying low and hiding under the radar.
My Buj case seems to have completely gone somewhere while people forgot all about him, so here's a nice and gentle reminder that I still scum lean him.
Orfhz case was presented a while ago.

LUV and TLK are a mixed bag for me because while I'm tempted to OMGUS YOU'RE ALL SCUM them, they don't "feel" scum with their other posts, so much as lazy town. Plus I have 2 BTX games worth of experience with TLK so he has a naturally scummy posting style which I have to filter stuff through.

Lucian can be town with his scum hunting and questions that he's asking, BUT slight tinfoil theory about him being the one derailing anything and everything.
Creature has tet's and FL's ""this is a town!creature"" meta post that I buy more than Saudade's um.... impeccable logic.
Enigma is also an example of someone with a really low content count that I feel should be under a magnifying glass, except I just agree with most of his posts so *shrugs*

Papa Leaf is town unless all 4 people who can allegedly read him... read him, plus we aren't getting a D1 lynch on him anyway so "my read on him means jack shit"
Tet is town and the BoomBoom case is hilarious. Idk this is more of an "my TRs TR him".

Eh...
I'd love it if we can just not go down that rabbit hole D1
That's all I'd like to comment about this

[Vorkuta]

your

Vork's or A50's?

[Vorkuta]

RCE no- this is a mislynch and you know it

[Vorkuta]

I resolve later

[Vorkuta]

VOTE: elsa

[Vorkuta]

Because my wagon isn't scattering at all when it clearly should be?
This heavily implies that I'm scum!approved mislynch bait when I shouldn't be, furthermore I have papa leaf, Saudaude, and skitter who vouch for me, along with a few others

[Vorkuta]

Shit
VOTE: a50

Confirming mason

[Vorkuta]

Hey guys, I just got home- what'd I miss?

/s

[Vorkuta]

Also wtf how did I rack up so many posts in this game

[Vorkuta]

Wtf were my reads right?
VOTE:

lady from Frozen

elsa