BTE: Boon Wars - Revenge of the Jingle

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Hello everyone! I'm Vedith!

VOTE: Darth Easy Bake

Did you roll scum on me DEB?

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Boop

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Is it just me or is there an obvious pattern with all the names that should make it easier for scum to narrow down hydras with even less effort than normal.

Hopefully scum don't get anything useful like an extra kill, but for some reason I think they just deactivate the "Active" part of this game.

Nice try 'Not Bins!!!!'

HA! Gottem!

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I MEAN REALLY!!

BY THE WAY we are TROWN!!

Scum benefit from knowing who everyone is. So way to be useless if you are town:

VOTE: Shirobacca

Why does this benefit scum and not town?

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Oh.

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I MEAN REALLY!!

BY THE WAY we are TROWN!!

Scum benefit from knowing who everyone is. So way to be useless if you are town:

VOTE: Shirobacca

Why does this benefit scum and not town?

This is not the post you are looking for.

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I MEAN REALLY!!

BY THE WAY we are TROWN!!

Scum benefit from knowing who everyone is. So way to be useless if you are town:

VOTE: Shirobacca

Why does this benefit scum and not town?

i cant tell if this is bad town or scum faking a townslip

I R Not Gud Reedr

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Wow this game is less active than I thought it would be

Luckily, we have a free scumflip in Darth TyTitus!

VOTE: Darth TyTitus

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Would rather not sign off on posts. Scum figuring out identities may not be game breaking but any advantage we can keep away from the scumteam is better for town. Ambiguous is fine.

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Boop

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VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Was this about Ty Titus? Do you TR them now or just scumread baezda more?

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Town not posting is also a scum advantage. This shouldn't be a reason to avoid giving content.

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Hello everyone! I'm here to post because my best friend IRL Bonskeyes told me to!

We need to consolidate wagons on a Scum, so I'll be looking at Palpatine, Darth, Baezda, and Tytitus!

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Chancellor Palpatine's ISO is bad! No attempt to post content or anything, just dodging the game! I would vote here!

Darth Easy Baker looks fine, enough effort and posting is passable. Let's not Lynch them today!

Baezda looks finish? Their reason for voting Darth is really bad! However I can to some degree see where they are coming from even if I think it's not worth it to not post in order to hide your identity so I wouldn't call them a scumread at this point!

Darth Tytitus also has a pretty bad ISO! There is likely town in the group of people who just fluff but I think it's a good solution to just lynch through them!

I actually haven't talked with my partner about this and honestly they've been more active so it's up to them if they agree! But I think it's a good idea to park votes on Palpa or Tytitus for now and since my vote will make 3 I would like to vote Palpatine

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VOTE: Chancellor Palpatine

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Can someone explain the votes on us to us please. We don't see the point, especially since we are inactive at this point.

Wagons do not lead to posts.

Iso palpatine and let us know what you think.

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Should probably get off my ass soon. Stay posted friends.

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VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Tytitus or Easy Baker?

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That said, I don't like the way this wasn't resolved.

Everyone! Only saw this in the the ISO of Krazy

?? We asked you about this vote and you already cleared it up. Or your other head did.

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VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Was this about Ty Titus? Do you TR them now or just scumread baezda more?

My partner doesn't really agree but I thought Tytus impersonation of Worm was pretty towny. Asked about the new read on Tytus since I was under the impression that we came to the same conclusion. This is right after the unvote.

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We need more people for this crusade.

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Beep

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We weren't aware you were either.

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VOTE: Chancellor Palpatine

Interesting, why didn't you vote in the lost post I quoted?

I actually haven't talked with my partner about this and honestly they've been more active so it's up to them if they agree! But I think it's a good idea to park votes on Palpa or Tytitus for now and since my vote will make 3 I would like to vote Palpatine

And then we talked.

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I agreed with my partner on all but the Tytitus read even though I think I'm the one that voted them up originally.

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you can't seriously think

And palpatine flipping red was just a coincidence?
PLUS- our green flip has a venge shot today. Voting in {DEB, Grievous, Nute, Titus} makes use of that.
It's a win win

Yes.
Why are we flipping green today?

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VOTE: darth tytitus


take that Jingle scum

Wow this game is less active than I thought it would be

Luckily, we have a free scumflip in Darth TyTitus!

VOTE: Darth TyTitus

VOTE: Darth
Impress me

Tytitus or Easy Baker?

Interestingly none of these were on Palpatine before

I actually like pulling this up, though

Important for me to look at

And is likely my current vote pool (though, clearly not all scum)

VOTE: Frozen

Happy enough

Can you clarify what this means? None were on palpatine before what?

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Yeah that's a good point. I was going to talk about this theory:

My guess is scum thought they knew who it was, but got it wrong, since we are still in active phase. I'm not sure what else the knowledge of identities could really relate to.

because I'm actually surprised by how much sense it makes, but if this theory is true then it just means Padme is scum because scum would probably not have passed up the chance for a free kill otherwise. Although maybe they're just saving it until they can win with it, which would be annoying.

I would bet that the mechanic is more nuanced than what Obi said, to make it so they can't just kill a bunch of people who they've figured out all at once for the win. I would hope it is, anyway.

I've been thinking it could have something to do with the inactive mechanic. I can't really speculate further than that since we haven't had an inactive day and don't really know what that entails. Or it could prevent a Venge kill if town is lynched and scum guess the team correctly.

Personally I don't think the night kill is very relevant, low info kill in a low info gamestate and that's pretty much it.

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VOTE: RCEPO thought this was a spew on frozen. 100% town if rc flips scum.

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Beep

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It should be mentioned that Arist2D2 voted Palpsy on post #125, while the wagon actually started with Ki Adi on #508. He doesn't get cred for being first on a wagon that wasn't threatening to be the actual lynch.

We haven't tried to take any credit from the wagon and my only takeaway is that Ki is town.

Ehh I think the wagon flipped away from padme to Palpatine but I don't really remember, probably makes padme town.

Didn't really have an opinion on palpatine and we only went there because I liked frozen and Tytitus, and Deb wasn't going anywhere. Palp was the compromise. Neither of us have been extremely invested tbf.

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VOTE: RCEPO thought this was a spew on frozen. 100% town if rc flips scum.

That would be the least subtle spew I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty damn unsubtle ones.

Who said subtle?

Check the timing, Frozen was on L-1 or close. Rce drops "guys this is a town flip" since it's looks like frozen is flipping. Rce is the only person to speak up on frozen behalf before his lynch. Blatant reach for towncred.

But agreed it's lazy. Fits the rest of the game.

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Arist-2D2 - THANK YOU FOR SHEEPING ME. HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL?

Dude I don't even know what the wagons are. Makes me feel like you're town if you're voting there too.

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Can we get some votes on rce?

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And palpatine flipping red was just a coincidence?

why wouldn't it be

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I mean that if, on the off chance that the assumption is wrong, we get a green flip... blah blah blah.

I think this slot should die d3.

I agree with the rcepo read my other head gave, frozen seems towny.

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VOTE: RCEPO thought this was a spew on frozen. 100% town if rc flips scum.

That would be the least subtle spew I've ever seen, and I've seen some pretty damn unsubtle ones.

I really don't get this read, scum can do scummy stuff too and they had a really really wolfy popin.

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FG was obvTROWN and y'all suck fyi

That being said I don't super blame RCE in particular for pushing through the hammer

Good luck aiming!

I hear that doctor.

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Annie can and irrelph are both decent shots too.

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VOTE: Irrelph

this is literally just scum.

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I have to argue that the Palpatine wagon is in part motivated by flavor and the game probably wouldn't be broken like that.
I see a baezda counterwagon so let's keep things interesting

VOTE: Baezda

does anyone NOT see this as a s/s interaction with Palpatine?

the tone also seems pretty similar to the guy arguing this game is flavour broken but I don't think that's provable.

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I'll do one too

Anniecan Boonrunner- account issues are account issues
Padme Almostdala- hate the claim, like the plaim
RCE-P0- feels towny
Mace Binsdu- TvT argument is TvT. I can get behind their nute case
Obi-Someth Kenobi- not voting for ObiWan
Arist-2D2- could be scummy
Baezda- I don't view it as a fuckup
Frozen Grievous- need to reread
Nute Krazy- could be scum
Shirobacca- probably TROWN
Ki-Adi-Joandi- paranoia over revealing town feels townie
Darth TyTitus- annoying but prolly town
Characellor Palpatine- can be scum
Darth Easy Baker- I just like how chewie made him not trown so I'll stick by that

palpa can be scum now but instead of like voting or pushing him or helping his wagon in some way let's just votepark deb instead

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RCE-P0- feels towny

btw how

3 posts = town that's too afraid of hydra-slipping and not scum that's active lurking
just the vibe kind of

This is a scumpost and they're probably scum with RCE. This is hilariously stretchy and not a real read. 'Wow, they're not posting, that means town!'

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you can't seriously think

And palpatine flipping red was just a coincidence?
PLUS- our green flip has a venge shot today. Voting in {DEB, Grievous, Nute, Titus} makes use of that.
It's a win win

DEB is right, you can't seriously think this. And he doesn't. It's a completely ridiculous prospect that Boon would design this game and literally make all the bar guys scum. That would be hilariously easy for town. And the whole 'you think Palpatine flipping red was a coincidence???' he had like a 4/17 chance of being scum, of course it's a coincidence? This is just awfully fake generally speaking.

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Annie can

I don't view this as a scum announcing their kill so this can be town for now.

VOTE: DEB same as last time

And now after a bad guy flips town he doesn't re evaluate on any level and continues to push the same tired line of reasoning as before.

Irrelph Organa is scum. RCEPO is also very likely scum. I don't really know who the fourth is at this time. Anyway please vote Irrelph because they're harder to lynch and have a higher chance to squirm out of it because they have the motivation to actually produce content, we'll get RCE tomorrow and then re evaluate from there.

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Obi is probably town.

If anyone has questions for me, go nuts.

Is there any reason to go RCE over Irrele today?

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3 posts = town that's too afraid of hydra-slipping and not scum that's active lurking

Such a TMI read that I couldn't help but comment on it.

Huh, why do you think it's TMI? Personally I saw it as more of a s/s interaction.

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I agree that the read with 3 posts blah blah is really scummy, but town also do scummy shit. Irrelph seems really relaxed, I vibe with him tbh.

It's possible for town to do scummy shit, yeah. But I think when a player does scummy shit for the entire game that makes no sense coming from town and never gets called out for it, they're usually just a wolf.

What do you think of his push on DEB using flavour?

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Were they the person who was trying to put a lot of stock on flavor? That's probably why

How is this towny though? Their thoughts make no sense, multiple people pointed out the issues in their case and they didn't care, and now they're continuing to push that read into d3, DESPITE FG flipping town directly contradicting their narrative. And they've been using that, alone, to justify pushes on DEB and to hop on the FG wagon.

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Maaaan
If only this didn't come from separatist scum

Hmm, I wonder what this means? Can you please explain? You don't need to out your main, just answer on Vorkuta.

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I wonder if mains have access to the scum PT?

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Were they the person who was trying to put a lot of stock on flavor? That's probably why

How is this towny though? Their thoughts make no sense, multiple people pointed out the issues in their case and they didn't care, and now they're continuing to push that read into d3, DESPITE FG flipping town directly contradicting their narrative. And they've been using that, alone, to justify pushes on DEB and to hop on the FG wagon.

Opposite reason. Scum puts more effort in a read than this

Too dumb to be scum
I think they genuinely believe it which is hilarious but also not scummy

Too dumb to be scum isn't a thing. Your implication seems to be all scum put in effort, which is confusing. Do you think Palpatine put effort into this game? They didn't. They're not interested so are just BSing their way through with an awful flavour slot. Like, I don't know how to convince you that you're looking at this game from a completely wrong angle, but the slot's just scum.

We can lynch RCE today but I want to establish that Irrelph never makes it to endgame because they're scum and townies are still defending them.

Lol how is Irrelph not pretending to do something?

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The argument seems to be he's too scummy to be scum. That isn't a thing. His play is really scummy and unbelievable to come from town, including pushing an utterly nonsensical argument and scumslipping and not getting called out. That doesn't mean he loops back around to being town. He's just scum this game. I don't always have the best reads but when I'm this sure I'm almost never wrong. My partner is with me on this too.

We don't need to categorize scum on bussing or not, scum is scum and Irrelph is that.

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Sorry if I sound fustrated, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit that's just cos I get emotional waay too easily. You guys are doing nothing wrong, except townreading scum but everyone is wrong sometimes

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To make it more intelligible, I don’t see the reasoning of the read that strong that you use it to “clear” your partner. If a scum is going to clear a partner, it’s made in other ways, not like that. Not with a “case” like that.

On the other hand, if you are looking to get the credit after the flip, you post something like he did.

Hope you understand what I mean.

I understand what you're saying to some degree but it doesn't make any sense. Scum can throw out awful townleans on their partners and often do because nullreading is seen as associative and they often do. They don't need some case to do that when they're posting a readslist for sure.

Pedit: RCEPO's identity is confirmed literally and yes they're scum this game. I hope you're right.

Yeah there's 4? This is 17p so why wouldn't it be?

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Hey Padme, I'm looking at Annie's ISO and don't get how you think it points to DEB?

Yeah it's 15p lol I have a bad memory sometimes. It's most likely 4 by a lot based on reads but it could be 3 possibly IF the inactive power is awful.

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Maaaan
If only this didn't come from separatist scum

Hey Padme, what do you think this means? I have a hard time deciphering it personally. I think it would make more sense if Vorkuta had some knowledge of an inside mechanic, don't you agree?

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It also explains why Vorkuta was posting on his own account (I'd imagine solo accounts have access to the scum PT) and why it makes literally no sense in the context in the thread.

I suppose the question is, who is Vorkuta? Hey Padme, is there anyone in the thread who posts in a particularly Vorkuta-like way?

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Maaaan
If only this didn't come from separatist scum

Hey Padme, what do you think this means? I have a hard time deciphering it personally. I think it would make more sense if Vorkuta had some knowledge of an inside mechanic, don't you agree?

I don't read into that kind of

scum

, how does it help us finding scum

stuff

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It helps us finding scum because it makes no sense as anything but a post meant for a scum PT or a post meant to implicate us as some sort of traitor. I don't think there is literally any other way to interpret this post.

Pedit: inside mechanic. The point is that Vorkuta just scumslipped and Vorkuta is Irrelph.

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And this is mountainous. It's not a PR thing.

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Anniecan was asking a lot of questions towards DEB, maybe he tried to get rid of the Cajun heat from down south. Not once have I seen him say much about Irrelph.

If you're reading Deb independently of that what is this meant to be?

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Separatist scum is something only scum would be informed about, given that this is mountainous. The only other explanation is that this is Star wars lore; even if that's the case it's still something that makes zero sense in the context of the thread and is immensely more likely to be meant for the scum PT.

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Partner might take a sabbatical so I'm steering this robot phallus for awhile.

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Arist was not frustrated by Irrelph's argument itself. They were frustrated by people calling it town, and they reacted to this by repeating that "too dumb to be scum" isn't a thing without really seeking to understand why people were arguing that.

Uhh what is there to understand? They literally went "Guys I think all the bad guys...... Are just the bad guys!" Then set the blunt down I presume.

If anything it's look at me I'm being helpful. It should speak volumes that it's probably their most notable post.

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Uhh what is there to understand? They literally went "Guys I think all the bad guys...... Are just the bad guys!" Then set the blunt down I presume.

I mean, you can analyze what brought about the theory, you can analyze whether they would have actually expected people to buy it as scum or if they expected to just be laughed at, you can go down the rabbit hole of "did they expect people to say it was too dumb to be scum," or maybe they're scum with another evil flavor and it was a distancing attempt...

There's a lot you can consider here.

They saw a bad guy flip scum. This isn't rocket science.

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That's not the post we reacted to so why would that matter?

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Scum usually don't push crackpot theories they know are false, it just makes them look dumb.

not everyone plays the same way that you do.
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Can we use this somehow... and vote No Lynch.. and try and go for Loyal Doctor + Vig clear shenanigans for clearning purposes?
I can bring it up just for "village idiot" points if not

For example this player is deliberating pushing something that he clearly believes to be unbelievable for village idiot points.

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K- this won't work.
I'm going to bring it up then for village idiot points

STOP NINJAING ME pedit
Yeah but I can probably find a way to 180 the past game's experience.
Maybe.
I'll think on the more optimal claim until Vedith chimes in

another quote of this player going for 'village idiot points'

it's almost like scum looking like bad town is good for them because they want to not get lynched and if people write them off as bad town they don't get lynched

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our push may lack nuance but that's because this is really simple stuff. nothing about this case is difficult to understand and I haven't seen a single valid reason against it.

Nobody here has given ANY reason why it makes sense for Irrelph as town to come into d3 pushing that all the bad guys are scum as a bad guy townflip. In fact there's no reason t to believe that in the first place. There's nothing to 'analyze' about their reasons for saying this. There is no valid reason.

They're just scum. Looking for village idiot points.

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If there are 4 scum then we should always land a hit in my PoE regardless if we lynch the town in it.

I still haven't heard people talking about my PoE.

It has rce and Irrelph in it, it's pretty good as a consequence of that, idk what else to say.

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Hey Padme, I'm looking at Annie's ISO and don't get how you think it points to DEB?

Yeah it's 15p lol I have a bad memory sometimes. It's most likely 4 by a lot based on reads but it could be 3 possibly IF the inactive power is awful.

Is this making a leap that the active / inactive thing is the scum power?
Awful in the sense of being a bad thing for town which means a great power for scum?

Yeah the latter is what I mean. If the inactive mechanic is very very scumsided I think it may be three here but otherwise I think it's four.

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Arist was not frustrated by Irrelph's argument itself. They were frustrated by people calling it town, and they reacted to this by repeating that "too dumb to be scum" isn't a thing without really seeking to understand why people were arguing that.

People think that scum don't want to fake bad play because people don't want to listen to them that way, but even if you think it's suboptimal play scum can still do it. What else is there to understand?

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Uhh what is there to understand? They literally went "Guys I think all the bad guys...... Are just the bad guys!" Then set the blunt down I presume.

I mean, you can analyze what brought about the theory, you can analyze whether they would have actually expected people to buy it as scum or if they expected to just be laughed at, you can go down the rabbit hole of "did they expect people to say it was too dumb to be scum," or maybe they're scum with another evil flavor and it was a distancing attempt...

There's a lot you can consider here.

1) of course I thought about it and all I can come up with is a red role PM! it's not like anyone has actually offered a viable alternative explanation!

2) clearly the latter, there's nothing to analyze here.

3) yes because as we've observed today scum do play for village idiot points.

4) this is literally pure speculation. there's no evidence for and against and therefore nothing to analyze.

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arist, sorry to say youre making a mountain of a single grain. "Nute Gunray was a Neimoidian male who served as the Viceroy of the Trade Federation and a high-ranking member of the Separatist Confederacy of Independent Systems and chairman of the Separatist Council."

vorky was commenting on the nute post directly above his. he was merely making a flavor joke.

Oh yeah sorry I know like nothing about Star Wars.

I'll retract my comment about the scumslip then, I still think it's a really wolfy popin though? Like why would you just come in the thread to make some flavour comment and then leave when there's so much to be discussed?

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Like Irrelph seems to be actively dodging this thread and if he's town, uh, I have no idea why. Surely he should be eager to explain the thought process behind his actions here?

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not everyone plays the same way that you do.

Like I said, it's a general principle, that doesn't mean it applies to everyone. I could definitely name a few people who are exceptions (obviously I won't because anonymous). But overall, that tell has definitely served me well more times than it has led me astray.

In the sense that more players are town than scum maybe

Okay, accepting that too dumb to be scum is a thing, wouldn't you say that when a town does a dumb thing, there is at least a thought process behind it that makes some sense?

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Tytitus feels town and I don't really see the inconsistencies in his narrative that Padme seems to be arguing.

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not everyone plays the same way that you do.

Like I said, it's a general principle, that doesn't mean it applies to everyone. I could definitely name a few people who are exceptions (obviously I won't because anonymous). But overall, that tell has definitely served me well more times than it has led me astray.

I'd also like to say, even in a world where Irrelph genuinely felt his argument was reasonable, he could just be scum pushing what he thought was a reasonable argument. His associatives with Palp are awful, his defense of RCE makes no sense from a town mindset, I don't think you've denied that a town Irrelph should always have re evaluated after seeing a bad guy literally flip town, and now under pressure he's just kind of left.

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Hi Irrelph can you explain the thought process behind your Canon scum reads? Why did you not re evaluate when Frozen flipped town, considering they were a bad guy? Don't you think a game where all the bad guys are just scum would be broken in town's favours? What do you think of the fact that every themed game ever either has NAI flavour or gives scum fakeclaims, and scum clearly wouldn't have fakeclaims here considering the usernames? What do you think of the fact that the entire playerlist considers you either too dumb to be scum or too dumb to be town for your theory?

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What exactly is so antitown about Nute/Deb/Tytitus?

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Screw that logic man, it's working backwards

You're just confbiasing your theory

VOTE: RCEPO

We were on the verge of greatness! We were this close!

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The fact that padme/not-insomnia hasn't been shot yet is concerning,

What about it is concerning?

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yeah Tytitus is town.

Not sure I comprehend the whole flavour thing and not particularly inclined to lynch based on it; I don't think it makes much sense for Boon to confirm the alignments of players based on flavour. I also don't think it's particularly likely that messages are being sent to the town via flavour because uh I'm pretty sure that literally never happens in games and I don't think there's any reason to just help one side like that. Digging too far into flavour and disregarding play is likely to turn out one huge rabbit hole.

Isn't Boonskii Knight just like a generic name for scum? I don't get how that's a hint of any kind?

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Yeah scum are Jingle flavour and I don't see how that has a link to the line of reasoning you're pushing?

There is absolutely no need to wallpost to prove Irrelph's theory is incorrect, it's blatant.

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I know but I don't think this particular puzzle had a solution and Boon just wrote some flavour to go along with his StarWars themed game. This is supported by how the games that are over don't have any flavour beyond just opening post as far as I am aware.

I guess you're not coming to any game influencing conclusions so far so that's ok I guess?

Scum being Jingle flavoured does have direct relevance since we're

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I know but I don't think this particular puzzle had a solution and Boon just wrote some flavour to go along with his StarWars themed game. This is supported by how the games that are over don't have any flavour beyond just opening post as far as I am aware.

I guess you're not coming to any game influencing conclusions so far so that's ok I guess?

Scum being Jingle flavoured does have direct relevance since we're talking about flavour.

Fixed.

Glad we agree ig

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Why do you even care who people are

I haven't even been paying attention to secret identities and I feel like most town would ignore it

What

I've noticed a fair amount of people's identity personally. You don't need to pay attention, if you're at all familiar with that person you can just tell the posting styles are the same.

Maybe it's for the best though. I was awkwardly stepping around Irrelph being Vorkuta, now we can just get to the point.

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blindingly obvious

.............................

I agree with Obi here ftr.

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Anyway DEB now we know that Vorkuta and Irrelph are the same person what do you think of the quotes that show him going for village idiot points?

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I don't see anything from Vorkuta's ISO in the other game that even REMOTELY compare to what he's doing here by the way.

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i will repeat that our vote is not likely to be outside of rcepo and Irrelph today unless someone convinces us with a really good case

i also want to tell you all youre very very bad at concealing your identities. someone remind me after the game is over to point out what you all said in these last few pages to give away your true identities. really?

deb and shiro are both likely town here. tunneling each other is not going to help us much and could cost us the game. nute is also town to me and padme is like an unofficial ic.

thats all i have to say for this time. i hope you all get along and focus on lynching scum today or at the very least if we lynch town to have them vengekill scum

Slots stopped caring after insomnia outted and there was no discernible impact. Quote me on that. Ergo it was a lot more effort than it's worth to conceal our posting styles.

Look, now I'm PB!

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Though we still have an inactive day presumably so who knows.

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VOTE: RCE Irrelph would be the better wagon to pick information from in case it goes tits up and they flip town with rce as the Venge shot but we're fine with rce's scum likeliness.

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Ki adi also thought fg was town he was just less loud about it.

I townread everyone on the baezda wagon. Arist and obi are my only off wagon question marks and there are some decent reasons to think they might be town. I think it's more plausible both scum were on FG than that none were. I don't care even slightly if three town had bad reads and some people compromised at deadline; one to two scum on a bad lynch in a game with two living scum (probably) makes it a scummy wagon.

Like all you're doing is shouting that fg was scummy without ever identifying what he actually did that wasscummy, which is basically how he got lynched. Your inability to get specific in why he was scummy js why the wagon was bad, why the wagon was scummy, and why the fact that it went through is highly indicative of there having been scum on it. Like at least irreleph had a reason even if it was nonsense.

We weren't around EoD but would have swung for the baezda Lynch instead. Like I get you guys think he wasn't that scummy after the fact but he got wagoned for a reason. And flipped for a lack of any other pushes.

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Well even that's not true, we were around 30 min before EOD but FG was hammered already.

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Irrelph and rce are our top two scumspects and both bad voters on the FG wagon. Idk what more you want.

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Hmm, we don't know wtf is going on and have been wrong on all of our reads including padme whom we suspected was scum for pushing the Annie can kill on us.

Will read your stuff a bit later shrewbaca.

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Beep

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hi i'm bad

time to reread i guess

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i think shirobacca and darth tytitus are town? haven't discussed this (or anything else since early d2 honestly ) with my partner, but shirobacca's been consistently gamesolving and i feel where they're coming from w/ the 'fb wagon is bad' thing; i never really understood it either. tytitus' attempt to flavour solve felt incredibly towny, honestly, and the way they called irrelph town d2 when they didn't need to and they were set up for a push there felt like town genuinely evaluating. i might be open to being convinced to this because i'm pretty sure padme was pushing them, but then padme was kinda the universal tr here (i don't think our slot ever vocalized our scumlean on them and on my end it was half associatives with flipped town anyway.)

this leaves me with 2 or 3 scum in {obi kenobi, ki jaodi, Deb, Nute}. my partner thought nute was scummy, i don't really see it but they're kind of better than me so

random setup theory: scum can only kill a player if they figure out their identity? unsure if this will be relevant but i had the thought and wanted to put it out there!

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i dont like how people talk but no act. VOTE: palpatine. torch this

And the game dies off again, nice.
VOTE: Palpatine

For the record, I'm still against rewarding bad behavior. Throwing a tantrum doesn't make someone town. I do think this is more likely to be scum though.

hmm I want to townread both of these, especially the first one, is this shallow? i think the sudden thrust onto palpatine is town-indicative because it's not all that intuitive to just shove the lynch on your buddy when nothing's really happening. also both of them feel townish independently??

obi and Deb have interesting interactions. Deb says that Obi is townish and obi townreads Deb in return just for finding Obi townish?

obi can i get your reads please?

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You're saying all scum bussed palpatine and there are up to 3 scum in Nute, ki adi, shiro, Tytitus then?

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Oh no....Tytitus might be scum actually.

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Reconvene after I talk things out with my partner. Ready? Break!

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ok after an entirely inconclusive discussion I think we've agreed to treat Tytitus as town for now

I tr'd Shiro's approach to the wagon because, I didn't really understand the Frozen wagon either and I've pushed before that when a bad lynch happens there should be scum on it, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with that. And like as far as I understand, they're saying now that they are still pushing you because they felt that your reaction would make sense from scum knowing RCE and Irrelph would flip town.

I don't think it's too rare for townies to be wrong about two scumreads.

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Idk I think Obi and DEB's interactions are really off and they're both pretty sketchy individually. Like, Deb soft defends Obi once, and Obi has Deb as really high town just because of this, saying they have no reason to soft defend Obi. I don't think scum need a direct agenda reason to defend town other than needing to look like they have reads; being consistent with your fake reads is also something scum can do, right? So I think it makes no sense that Obi townreads Deb so hard just for this. Later Deb throws off an 'Obi might be scum' in contradiction to his earlier townlean. Padme presses Obi on his Deb read, saying scum have motivation to defend a townie, and Obi says he has a fair point, but doesn't seem to actually re-evaluate his read, calling Deb town again later. I think that's our best chance at hitting scum.

also I've kind of lost a lot of faith in the whole intentionally ignorant thing after Irrelph flipped town idk

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I tr'd Shiro's approach to the wagon because, I didn't really understand the Frozen wagon either and I've pushed before that when a bad lynch happens there should be scum on it, so I kind of understand where they're coming from with that. And like as far as I understand, they're saying now that they are still pushing you because they felt that your reaction would make sense from scum knowing RCE and Irrelph would flip town.

The FG wagon was a deadline wagon omg

and he wasn't obvtown so he died

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Ok but your framing it like yeah we hard pushed town but it was eod what can we do. It's not like no slots were townreading him and it's not like there were no other options, he wasn't the only wagon all day.

Does any of that really matter? No all the day 2 wagons were on town. Town is just really fucking bad this game, both at scum hunting and at looking town.

But also, stop pushing this idea that Shiro has to be a I'm because he thinks scum was on his townreads wagon.maybe I'm playing a drastically different game but I think it's a perfectly valid thought to have.

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Not to mention if you feel the FG wagon was all town then you would be looking at exactly ki adi, obi, Nute, shiro. Some combination therein. I brought up the possibility of Tytitus scum to my partner because that fits exactly with the flavor speculation and sets up a push on Obi/Ki adi simultaneously. which seems agenda driven to me. My partner wants obi though and I trust them over my weak obi read anyway. I don't know how to reliably read either of their heads.

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That person is already dead so.

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I don't get why Deb is still town to you after you were wrong about who was posting?

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Spoiler:

I'm heckin drugged up right now so lemme just explore this further with you. We know that a role in Menace hinted at the setup in Colognes, so there is clearly a link between the games. Therefore, I think the flavor could be important.

It's hard because Boon didn't give the finished flips in the other game, so I don't know the flavor for the "Jingle" scum in Colognes
which I think is important

Here is the flavor from all the games:

'the greedy

Jingle Federation

has stopped all shipping to the small planet of NaBOON.

the Supreme Emperor (is this Palpatine?) has secretly dispatched two Boonski'i Knights

, the guardians
of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict....'

'There is unrest in the Galactic Boonate. Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to leave the Republic.
This

Separatist movement

, under the leadership of the mysterious

Darth TyTitus

scum in this game, NOT ME), has made it difficult for the limited number of Boonski'i Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.

Senator Almostdala

(IC slot in other game, town in this game), the former Queen of NaBoon, is returning to the Galactic Boonate to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to assist the overwhelmed Boonski'i....'

'War! The Boonpublic is crumbling under attacks by the ruthless

Jingle Lord

,

Darth TyTitus

(hey it me, take my word, i'm town even though i'm sUPER bad).

There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

In a stunning move,

the fiendish droid leader

,

Frozen Grievous

, has swept into the Boonpublic capital and kidnapped

Characellor Palpatine

,
leader of the Galactic Boonnate. As the Separatist Droid Army attempts to flee the
besieged capital with their valuable hostage,

two Boonski'i Knights

lead a desperate
mission to rescue the captive

Characellor

....'


I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS "TWO BOONSKI" KNIGHT THIS IS RANDOM ANYMORE
Like that's way too heavily mentioned to be just a weird flavor thing
I do remember reading "There are traitors on both sides" but where did I read that

... I honestly think we're looking for two canon GOOD guys...
Makes Irrelph a lot more scummy for turning this the other way on the bad guys


ok

Now here's the bit that's kind of a stretch so I'll spoiler it

Spoiler:

Menace seems to have had bad guys that were the "Droid" army (ok, just one. I don't know Star Wars that well, but there was a battle droid in the scum team). Which makes me think that flavour #3 from this game is

linked

to both other games. The droid army was scum in Menace, the Jingle boys were scum in Colognes (I need the flips to confirm this, but Tytitus was scum in this game so that's why, though I'm not sure why Obiwan was a BOONty hunter/Jingle scum). Part of me thinks that maybe Tytitus wasn't actually a Jingle boy, like maybe he's a traitor and he's actually a Boontyhunter??? Confusing, but ok. I still need the flips of Nero and Flippynips to know for sure what was going on.

NOW FOR THIS GAME. I think that the scum is Chancellor + his two Boonski buddies, which was HINTED AT IN BOTH OTHER GAMES.

It'd be funny if Padme were scum for being so canon town in the other games, but I'm not sure if it's worth exploring first

There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere.

this is definitely intentional too

literally saying @Irrelph, don't lynch the canon bad guys cause there are bad guys on both sides of the flavor

I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS "TWO BOONSKI" KNIGHT THIS IS RANDOM ANYMORE

I really hope people listen here

There is no way Chancellor and his two boonski knights being mentioned all the time was random

Here were the "Boonskis" in the other games (still missing some from Colognes flips):

Ki-Adi-Joandi

MACE BINSDU

CHARACELLOR PALPATINE

(ok this fucks up my theory but shut up, it shows he was working with the Boonskis)
PADME ALMOSTDALA
RCE-PO
OBI SOMETH_KENOBI
ARIST2-D2

BAEZDA

Scum in one game. town in the other:
Jar Jar (not in this game)
ANNIE CAN BOONRUNNER (town, 3rd p)


note:
OBI SOMETH_KENOBI was a BOONtyhunter, not a Boonski
DARTH TYTITUS was a BOONtyhunter

To note again: I'm doing this more so to show Irrelph is stupid, then actually say we should lynch based on flavour, but it's kind of working both ways now.

As you can see, if the Boonskis are scum, it's a lot less broken, because there are

a lot

of Boonskis in this game.

I think we were lucky to have flipped Palps first.

Here it is for people who are alive:

Boonskis:
Padme Almostdala (IC in other game, heavily mentioned in flavour as being good)
RCE-P0
Arist-2D2
Ki-Adi-Joandi

Boonski/both:
Obi-Someth Kenobi

Never a Boonski:
Darth TyTitus (I swear I didn't do this starting out thinking it would argue for our slot being super town, but it just worked out that way LOL)

Not sure if they're in the other games or just didn't flip in Colognes:
Irrelph Organa
Nute Krazy
Shirobacca
Darth Easy Bake

again, I'm not saying we should lynch based on flavour exclusively, but this is just to show Irrelph lynching in the bad guys is probably going to lose us the game, because honestly the opposite logic is MUCH STRONGER AND BASED ON THE FLAVOUR BOONSKIES WROTE

Honestly if Irrelph was one of the unflipped Boonskis in Colognes, he's dead

> Flavor heavily mentions "Chancellor Palpatine + his two Boonski knights" for this game, considering Palps flipped scum
> Boonski knights were the town in the other games, with various other factions/alignments as bad (Jingle, droid, Separatists). Every town flipped "Boonski"

pedit - Scum are Jingle "flavored" but they may not actually be "Jingle", not sure if that makes any sense LOL

It's important because I actually think I'm on to something

if it makes you feel better it argues for lynching RCEPO more

also I'm excited, it's like a giant puzzle

I am actually high I'm sorry

I applaud Boon for the flavour links between the games, there's clearly something there, but I agree I don't think it's game breaking (or doesn't really help us at all)

Boon just wrote some flavour to go along with his StarWars themed game.

There are a few things in the writing that were clearly not just a random scrawl

> Evil is everywhere
> Heroes on both sides

basically saying "Your flavour doesn't mean you're scum if you're canon scum" (COUGH IRRELPH COUGH)

> Chancellor + his two Boonski buds
> Darth Tytitus was scum in flavour and was actually scum in Colognes
> Padme is most town in flavour and was an IC in Menace

Am I being shallow for townreading this? To me this looks like town genuinely trying to solve a puzzle, they seem so excited to delve into this.

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Ugh nestled spoilers I'll fix it tomorrow maybe I think it's still clear what stuff I'm referring to

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I'm fairly bad at reading negative emotions but my kneejerk reaction here is to call shiro's posting just town.

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that was me!

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@Arist: I am still undecided on 51 btw. The fact that you

also

were the one to suggest they can kill using the guesses could be seen as TMI if I wanted to conf!bias your slot.

I mean I think that's NAI? my partner just didn't read the rules.

Is the suggestion here that we're scum for coming up with the theory and that's TMI or because one of us made a mistake at the start meaning we shouldn't be able to speculate on mechanics so it's TMI?

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Oh ki adi are you still here? I have a question but I'd like you to answer it in real time.

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Why did you enable the option that hides when you're online?

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Why did you enable the option that hides when you're online?

I'd like Chara and Obi and Shiro to answer this when they get online, please.

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Sorry if I'm letting scum off the hook here but like.... I scumread Tytitus and even I think this is TvT.

So I'm still of the mindset that the flavor spec is pretty scummy in retrospect but it's my partners biggest reason for townreading the slot. If PP were around this might be a slightly easier read but I think I naturally scumread Bins playstyle. Part of why I pushed there and hard defended Krazy in menace. Town me would have 100% and scum thought so too so there's that.

Like I don't really get how you're agreeing with Shiros wagon analysis all the way down to the Poe but are still hung up on them pushing that they think scum was on the FG wagon. It's not a nonsensical assumption there.

So if I ignore the flavor spec thing entirely why should I be reading you town right now Tytitus? Because I don't know how to read you.

On the other hand. Obi, Nute, ki adi doesn't sound likely to me....well it does minus ki adi.

This game is a big mindfuck for me though so. Also FL probably hates us for breaking the anonymity.

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Boop.

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The townie posts are all Ausuka. I'm dead weight right now but we're both active.

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Beep.

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i hope the scum wincon wasn't to figure out everyone's alts otherwise we might have just lost

tytitus vs shirobacca seems tvt yeah although a lot of the comments there by shirobacca were unnecessary.

i might have to iso nute but i think that's town too.

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About where I'm at. So my thing was that we don't have a chance to get to the compromise rounds even with a win here which kind of killed my drive to play. But I also didn't want to ruin the game for slots that had a chance and that goes for either alignment.

That said VOTE: obi

If Obi is town then I want to call out the scumteam as Deb/DTT/Nute for bragging rights.

If I'm wrong this post never happened.

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If I didn't scumread you before I sure do now.

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I mean we did, but still.

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We have finally come to the consensus that Tytitus is town. The Shiro kill kind of backs that up. Shiro dying instead of ki adi makes me second guess and my partner thinks he could be Deb's partner, I think it's Nute but I'm not solid on ki adi being town like I was the rest of the game so my partner can probably talk me into it.

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I'm playing under the assumption we are already in lylo and no shooting loses the game if we lynch town.

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Lynching town loses regardless but yeah.

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Dunno about mountainous setups but every other game run in this series has been 4 scum.

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SS is right about this mechanically. If there are 4 scum we lose upon a ML either way. In a world with 3 scum, a venge today means we can kill the 2 scummiest players using today's lynch and the venge, after which scum that's still alive can kill tonight and win. No venge means 3p lylo, where you can lynch the second scummiest player who then venges the third scummiest player.

[Arist2D2]

Anyway yeah if nothing changes today we're probably going to vote Deb.

[Arist2D2]

Lynching town loses regardless but yeah.

Exactly. So if we do lynch town, and the game's not over...

... there's obviously only 3 scum, so the lynched player should hold their shot.

The game won't end when the numbers are tied, it will still go into night phase then we lose the next day, after scums shot.

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Ausuka shh, I've called everyone still alive scum in some fashion. It doesn't look good for us in a 3p lylo.

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Beep.

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Explain to me how we can win if it's 3:2 and we lynch town, they vengekill scum, and town dies overnight.

True, but I'm assuming Ausuka's talking (at least I hope she is)

Uhh, not sure what this means but that was RCE at daystart, I was the one who came in afterwards to say SS was mechanically correct.

Me wanting to lynch him has nothing to do with mechanics? I've scumread him since yesterday.

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Not sure how I feel about double nl, there's no doubt about the advantage it could provide, but why are we just assuming there are 3 scum? Like, everyone viewed it as roughly 50/50 yesterday I think and it's not like we have seen the inactive power?

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Anyway yeah if nothing changes today we're probably going to vote Deb.

he is mechanically correct so you want to lynch him??

Being right on mechanics doesn't make him not scum.

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I'm gonna sheep Ausuka and say it's just deb/ki adi. She was right on palpatine and right on obi so far.

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That's my schtick, pal.

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Is it over? Whatever, I doubt I was catching tytitus anyway, their flavour thing pocketed me i should've just sheeped rce. Then again my reads are trash every game so not too much of a surprise.

if it's not deb's post actually looks kind of towny? idk