Open 762: CK9++ [Over!]

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: jackal

I remember you from when I used to play ages ago.

And by ages ago......5 years ago.

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck that James, why be where there is snow when you could be where there isn't snow. And Nebraska.....really?

VOTE: James Brafin

Put me on a beach in the cayman islands.

[Doctor Drew]

Had a busy day today, will be back tomorrow afternoon with some actual substance.

I will say, I missed the IC reveal as well.....heh.

[Doctor Drew]

So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Still catching up, not sure why i cant get in a a groove here, but I went through Phil's iso.......what did you find so odd.

Also, from skimming the game I was not liking James, but his interactions do seem town sided to meUNVOTE:

[Doctor Drew]

I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

Because skellen's the fucking IC.

Okay I'm fucking stupid.

Wtf is this from Persivul?

I missed the IC reveal at the beginning of the game, no offense to mod but it wasn't blatantly obvious. Your reaction to someone, who clearly didn't see the reveal, was way way too aggressive instead of just 'Hey dude, you know he is mod confirmed IC right?'

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Persivul

[Doctor Drew]

Can people start doing more AI stuff.

More of a reactionary sort of player?

[Doctor Drew]

I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."

Push that and I'll fight you to the end.

Interesting, why

Because skellen's the fucking IC.

Okay I'm fucking stupid.

Wtf is this from Persivul?

I missed the IC reveal at the beginning of the game, no offense to mod but it wasn't blatantly obvious. Your reaction to someone, who clearly didn't see the reveal, was way way too aggressive instead of just 'Hey dude, you know he is mod confirmed IC right?'

But I did see it, my second post acknowledged it
I just didn't pay attention the the "who"

Isn't that basically what I just said? Let me rephrase, you were not aware of who the IC was whereas I(and Implosion I believe?) was not aware of the reveal.

Either way, point still stands about Persivul.

[Doctor Drew]

You say it's a reaction to someone who didn't see the reveal
But I feel like I'm getting pedantic here so w/e

Well, tbf, I didn't realize you did acknowledge it in your second post until you mentioned. So to that point I was incorrect.

But, the greater point was Persivul's reaction to someone wanting to put pressure on the IC when they didn't realize said person was the IC.

Like a somewhat buddying of the only confirmed townie.

[Doctor Drew]

In other news I wish Persivul didn't spill the beans so soon about our Innocent Child. Should of let more information and hilarity ensue.

^ Person with a sense of humor.

Lol sick burn bro.

What good motivation is there is letting it drag on 'for hilarity' though? Or even for making the post? There was nothing there to help the game move forward or to help town find scum.

Bah, still rubbing me the wrong way....but now for different reasons.

[Doctor Drew]

I need to step away from Persivul for a bit.

I think implosion's town tho, even if their reads are the complete opposite of mine.

Sakura, while talking reads......what do you think of per and myself?

[Doctor Drew]

Can people start doing more AI stuff.

More of a reactionary sort of player?

Also Sakura, can you answer this por favor.

[Doctor Drew]

Why thespio though

did you *see* post 151???

I directly asked him about 151, hoping to hear some reasoning momentarily.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew's Persivul vote is probably the worst vote of the game so far

I can accept that.

Question though, why did you want us bumbling fools who didn't notice the IC reveal/who the IC was to remain ignorant to it? What benefit does it offer town?

You want Sakura to do things to develop reads, yet you also want us bumbling fools to dance for your jollies. And what sort of usable info would you pull from this?

[Doctor Drew]

Didn't say it did. I'm asking a question. Is there any way that it comes from a town mindset? How is this a town-aligned way to approach the game?

I agree with you, and as I think about it I dislike 151 more and more.

But, if it isn't town aligned it's.....

[Doctor Drew]

Why must it come from a scum mindset?

Maybe I am thinking of my own meta, but I am way more likely to as town to scum slip vs being scum and scum slip. Imo, getting people angry just mislynches town.

[Doctor Drew]

And to clarify, I feel like it happens in most games.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, what do you feel is off with 151?

I mean, not that I'm objecting.

I disliked it initially for laziness and feigning interaction and I wanted of an explanation which I never got(did notice he is close to a prod though, maybe he is busy or something).

But, pers brings up a great point in 214 which really gets me thinking. That coupled with the hole being an ass thing.

I hope he comes back, none of this really gets sorted out with a replacement.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, hole....ass.....oops all Freudian slip.

*whole

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like you guys are too scared to do this
VOTE: Thespio

I would prefer to wait for his response/potential replacement to respond.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe something like:

implo
Jackal
James
Gamma

as a preliminary town pool for me?

Care to expound on your jackal read?

[Doctor Drew]

Hmm; I actually thought they had posted more than they had. I'll take that back for now but I'm still getting gut town pings from their vote on Thespio I think?

But you don't have town reads on Sakura or Pers......the other people on the thespio wagon?

[Doctor Drew]

Dry fits 303 looks worse than his vote imo.

I would still like to here from thespio before I decide who to vote though, and tbh I really don't like the thespio wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: jackal

I remember you from when I used to play ages ago.

And by ages ago......5 years ago.

Are you a secret alt or are you out?

Imma let you finish your deep dive, but wanted to jump in to say..........not an alt per se. I used to have an account on here, FuDuzn if anyone else wants meta as well. But literally haven't used it in 5 years and wanted to start fresh.

[Doctor Drew]

Been on vacation this week, and it figures my inactivity would coincide with the thread blowing up.

I gotta give a good read up on the last few days, hopefully be back later tonight with thoughts.

[Doctor Drew]

It is a couple of reasons. I felt like Drew blew Persivul’s anger out of proportion. I also like Drew is facesitting on a lot of major wagons and parking his vote until a better opportunity presents itself. He is being too cautious with his vote. I also think that a Drew flip will help me get better reads on Sakura and Persivul. Drew is oddly fixated on those two.

Can you explain the overall case on Thespio? I feel like he is suffering from the same thing Phil suffered from - weird ways of communicating his feelings.

Lol, I really hope you mean fencesitting......I ain't that freaky.

I did blow Persivul's anger out of proportion, and I already conceded it was a bad vote/reaction. But I am keeping my vote on him and not voted anyone else partially because I haven't been active enough to make an informed vote(though I was very close to voting your slot before you replaced in) and keeping it on Persivul wasn't putting him in any sort of danger, so why remove it until I decide.

And why say I am fixated on pers and Sakura? I was trying to get thespio to explain 151 for the longest......if anything I was the most fixated on that.

[Doctor Drew]

In fact, fuck it. Shit or get off the face is what I say.

You are trying to deflect off thespio turkey man.....I think this is a scum v scum wagon, ie thespio and turkey are both scum.

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Doctor Drew]

In fact, fuck it. Shit or get off the face is what I say.

You are trying to deflect off thespio turkey man.....I think this is a scum v scum wagon, ie thespio and turkey are both scum.

VOTE: gobbledygook

This is the second worst vote you've made.

Gob makes a case against drew. Drew agrees the case is as presented, and that Gob made the correct assessment of Drew's actions. Drew reads him as scum for this?

This is almost as bad as Phil meta diving to prove a point, and then ignored the evidence when it didn't fit his dickful thinking and voted JB anyways.

VOTE: DREW

This is a wagon I could compromise on if imp and Phil aren't viable.

My vote on him isn't omgus.

He and thespio are the top wagons right now, he is proactively trying to get heat off of thespio and passively off himself. He uses my supposed fixation on pers and Sakura, yet ignores my repeated inquiries about thespio's 151......I was more fixated on that than anything.

He is trying to make sure there are multiple wagons against himself and Thespio.

Pre Edit: I am a simple man Gob haha

Pre edit2: Don't get me wrong, I am on board with thespio as scum as well, which I clearly stated. I want to keep the wagon between you two.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

Fair point, but even without a teammate under fire coasting doesn’t work well consistently

Ok, but coasting and being on the sidelines would have probably kept me safe.......so what scum motivation would I have to make a case on Turkey unless I am trying to protect thespio(already stated I would vote him) or phil(who currently has no votes on him but people are willing to vote, no reason to try to protect). Scum motivation would be just to stay active enough until the day ends an then try to be more active on D2, and let town lynch town.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m caught up

I didn’t like how aggressive Drew got in response to pressure given how a lot of their stances earlier were on the weaker side.

VOTE: Drew

There was one vote on me when I got 'aggressive', as you put it. Wouldn't call that too much pressure.

Maybe I am worried about keeping me alive, but why would scum-Drew throw himself into the fire with 4 days left and two wagons already trucking and people willing to vote a couple others?

Because that’s not a long-term success strategy, especially if you have a teammate under fire

I have already stated that I am fine either way with Gob or Thespio, the top two wagons.

Who am I protecting?

Fair point, but even without a teammate under fire coasting doesn’t work well consistently

Trying to work out if any of the votes on my are from town, and I keep coming back to this. After reading this little back and forth I just get the sense he was being a bit opportunistic and placing a vote and than kind of buckling to his reason behind the vote. Like he knows he misdiagnosed the situation but maybe didn't want to look bad by immediately changing vote? He hasn't been on since his 832 so I am curious for his return.

Ok, but coasting and being on the sidelines would have probably kept me safe.......so what scum motivation would I have to make a case on Turkey unless I am trying to protect thespio(already stated I would vote him) or phil(who currently has no votes on him but people are willing to vote, no reason to try to protect). Scum motivation would be just to stay active enough until the day ends an then try to be more active on D2, and let town lynch town.

Also Chemist, when you hop back on can we continue this and respond to this.

PreEdit: Gob, Maybe I missed it, but is your read on James?

[Doctor Drew]

Oh, and James is my top town read ftr.

[Doctor Drew]

I kind of want to be a bad turkey right now...

I would say hold tight.

[Doctor Drew]

I kind of want to be a bad turkey right now...

How does one achieve the level of bad turkey?

I took it as they wanted to hammer.

[Doctor Drew]

So thespio, were you town or scum.

Do you ask that honestly expecting an answer?

[Doctor Drew]

Lulz fake hammer.

[Doctor Drew]

*popcorn gif*

[Doctor Drew]

I feel like there are a lot of drunk people here, no judge I am one of you.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Fish

I am on board with this VOTE: Fish

[Doctor Drew]

I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

Cool. Then she shouldnt be afraid to out her secret info. Cause I know what I am and what I can do, I doubt she does and is taking a shot in the dark. A shot that Drew was more than happy to drive full behind.

One thing I am trying to get, is why would you push my lynch d1. Obviously you weren't protecting thes, and I get a feeling turkey may actually be town.

Help me out here, something is off for me......I kind of want a reason to unvote.

[Doctor Drew]

Dont mind my note monologue, i was derp and dont have a separate notepad for the game so i rather just find them in my ISO.

Well that is what is throwing me off tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh man, nvm.....fish vote is good.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh man, nvm.....fish vote is good.

I wanted you dead yesterday and instead we got a dead townie.

Imp gets dead over night and I was one of like 3 people who had beef with him, and he had to make sure he slept with 2 gats underneath his pillow with the beef we had, so why does Imp die?

And then today you vote me for nothing and then beg me to call you off it with something, any reason to dissuade your fears.

You either see me as town or you dont, I understand why you dont and why you need to make this play here.

I had a smidgen of doubt about voting you, I wanted you to give me something to change my mind.......and you went the complete opposite direction.

Turkey is town, you tried to pocket him, you got caught, you are scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Note:

Drew's doubts get erased as soon as fish votes him

Tbf, it was more about his 1010

[Doctor Drew]

Note:

Drew's doubts get erased as soon as fish votes him

Tbf, it was more about his 1010

Sure it was. There wasnt anything I was going to be able to say to get you off me today. You need to kill me so I dont bug you as that thorn in your side constantly pestering you and bothering you and making your life increasingly more and more difficult to deal with on a sanity level and it makes you want to scream and tear into your self in an attempt to rid your body of me, but all you do is keep pushing me in deeper, further away from where your nubby fingers can reach me and ever hope to get me out.

Im the death you need to make happen to shut me up.

Jesus man, the tone of this post unnerves me irl.

[Doctor Drew]

Jesus man, the tone of this post unnerves me irl.

The last person that tried to discredit me by doing what youre doing ended up being scum that we correctly lynched on the day he tried.

This is a game bro, dont take the flavor im feeling get you down.

I get why as scum you would react that way though.

That was independent of the game, just the tone of it....I guess you got some talent there. I actually like it tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

A townie would've been less happy to sheep me specially since my vote was a 180, if he knows you're scum and knows what im talking about then they know you're caught and would hard bus in a heart beat.
imo.

Nope, just confident based of yesterday and the flip he is scum. As soon as you voted him out of the gate I was on board.......just wanted to give him a chance to defend himself.

Ok, really need to sleep.

[Doctor Drew]

hi I'm the 1-shot tracker, got a no visits result last night on Sakura

k bye

Aren't you describing a watcher?

[Doctor Drew]

I can talk normally too.

No, don't. Or do, but keep up the notes as well. I'm digging them. In fact:
VOTE: Drew

Why vote Drew?

As suggested above, because I think Sak's notes posts on Drew are pretty damning. What do you think of those posts?

What exactly is pretty damning about it.

[Doctor Drew]

Note:

Drew found it easy to jump into the wagon and is now trying to find a reason to unvote

Going into today Fish was my top scum read, someone voted and hinted there was some info they had and voted Fish so I voted my top scum read. Some of his posts after that were coming off more townie as I believe sky gamer said, and Sakura was giving me weird votes so I wanted to give Fish the chance to explain himself before I take a definitive stance on him being scun.

Note:

Drew's doubts get erased as soon as fish votes him

And as explained, this is 100% not true. My 1012 was in response to his 1010, he sniped me with his vote on me that was posted literal seconds before I said 'nvm, he is scum'.

Look at the time stamps of 1011 and 1012. How could I respond to a vote that was being placed as I was writing a post.

[Doctor Drew]

What exactly is pretty damning about it.

It's very obvious from the posts themselves. Do you really want me to repeat them?

Yes, because I basically just explained away one of Sakuras reasons to vote me.

[Doctor Drew]

Look at the time stamps of 1011 and 1012. How could I respond to a vote that was being placed as I was writing a post.

p-edit

So if I am hearing you correctly, according to you, I had the reply screen up just by happenstance and saw Fish vote me, after I hit reply presumably from something else I was going to post, and was able to erase all that and then make the post I made. All in less then a minute.

Not that I was responding directly to 1010 and yes, I did notice 1011 before I hit reply, but it was irrelevant to my post from my perspective.

I have a feeling some of you question my ability to to play this game, but that would be a terrible terrible omgus. In retrospect though, I should have explicitly stated it was in response to 1010....I just thought it was obvious.

Also, I just did respond to Sakura in my last post which also doubled as a please point out specifically what is so damning about it all question to you.

[Doctor Drew]

So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best

Still catching up, not sure why i cant get in a a groove here, but I went through Phil's iso.......what did you find so odd.

Also, from skimming the game I was not liking James, but his interactions do seem town sided to meUNVOTE:

I was scum reading you?

I didn't like your abrasive town early, but quickly decided they we NAI. And I thought your interactions with thes were very town sided on your part.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh and Persivul, I was interacting with Sakura after her notes thing last night and little. She hasn't been on today from what I have seen. How do you propose I interact with someone not active when someone who steeped her vote is active.

[Doctor Drew]

Sorry for multiple posts in a row, I do mainly phone posting and tough to respond to multiple things in one post.

[Doctor Drew]

So if I am hearing you correctly, according to you, I had the reply screen up just by happenstance and saw Fish vote me, after I hit reply presumably from something else I was going to post, and was able to erase all that and then make the post I made. All in less then a minute.

No. According to me, when I hit the submit button and someone had posted while I was typing, the system automatically goes to the new posts and doesn't submit. No happenstance at all.

Yes, that did happen.

But that would mean I was already about to post something, which I then did without edit and was what we now know as post 1012. Fish sniped me with 1011, and I just didn't pay much mind to it.

The point I am making, if as Sakura was assuming and what you seem to agree with, is that it was in direct response to his Fish's vote on me. Which means I would have had to catch the post snipe, erase what I had already typed out, and then post what I did post in less then a minute....on a phone.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh and turkey, I am very proud of that joke haha.

I am glad at least someone is paying attention to what I am posting lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I have super secret reasons to trust Sakura

Cool. Then she shouldnt be afraid to out her secret info. Cause I know what I am and what I can do, I doubt she does and is taking a shot in the dark. A shot that Drew was more than happy to drive full behind.

One thing I am trying to get, is why would you push my lynch d1. Obviously you weren't protecting thes, and I get a feeling turkey may actually be town.

Help me out here, something is off for me......I kind of want a reason to unvote.

What was feeling off?
What did you mean you wanted a reason to unvote?

Sakura was feeling off to me, I first jumped on the Fish vote because I was like 'she is confirming my suspicions', but then I didn't know what she was doing so I wanted Fish to give some semblance of town motivation to maybe make me think twice about voting him. He did not and therefore my 1012.

Ok fair enough Sakura, but this was my motivation in the post. I can't speak with certainty whether Fish is scum or not and I was confused what was happening with your posting. I didn't want an excuse to get off the wagon, I wanted a reason to actually think that maybe he is town and maybe I need to look your way. He doubled down on scum, imo, hence my post.

You can spin this any way you wish, I was doing due dilligence on my top scum read, I fail to see why this is bad and your reasoning for voting me boils down to 'doctor drew is voting his top scum read'.

Why is this hard to grasp? No ulterior motives, no hidden agendas. Also, not taking my vote off Fish, I want Persivul to actually explain his sheep instead of deflecting, and everyone to look how Fish reacted to Sakura last night before she voted me.

If you don't see scum them fuck me sideways.

[Doctor Drew]

I have some time, if anyone wants to talk to me.

If you don't mind, thoughts on my last post?

[Doctor Drew]

Im here now if you still are

Fish, the world knows I think you are scum and you think I am scum.

But, objectively speaking......what do you think of Persivul's interactions with me today and Turkeys vote on Persivul.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, just like Fish and Turkey, everyone should have an animal to represent them in this game. Not sure why, but it makes me giggle every time I call Gob Turkey.

I call dibs on snake.

[Doctor Drew]

Fish, the world knows I think you are scum and you think I am scum.

But, objectively speaking......what do you think of Persivul's interactions with me today and Turkeys vote on Persivul.

I thought that Pers made a few good points for you being scum and follow his line of thinking. Its kinda what you said you didnt like about 1010 with me calling you out for blindly sheeping Hana and then being unsure if you were sheeping or being led into a bear trap.

Can you quote these points that Pers made? I mean, I have been doing my damndest to have him explain his vote outside of lazily sheeping Sakura.

How many times do I have to say this, you were my top scum read, Sakura votes you hinting at info that you are scum, I vote my top scum read.

If you are town, and I am an idiot here, compare and contrast my vote on you with Persivul's vote on me.

Also, Boars are badass.....I won't hate being that haha.

[Doctor Drew]

I reckon I need to catch up and glance over my lines.

I’ll be off book shortly. Anyone have any notes?

I specifically said I reckon that I need to, not that I was going to. And this is still relevant, I am piecing things together, and seeing how things go prior to me getting into the mix. I also asked if anyone had anything, and got ignored, so I had to get a grasp on things to help when I look back.

I’m here now, ain’t i

@fishy

I have a thing about replacements reading. Call me crazy, but I think knowing where you come from helps determine where you're going.

Phil wasn't winning any townie of the year awards with his play, you seem content with perpetuating his efforts. This slot is just scum all the way through and Rick replaced into a slot he can't do anything with so instead of putting in the effort to read and be killed he's just going to skip reading and hope to avoid rope.

Can't believe I am going to say this, but I agree with fish.....in regards to replacements. Know what you are getting into, at least give a skim through on people that seem to be topics of conversation.

And Fish, while I have your attention, it is clear we are not changing each other's minds and this is going in circles a bit between you and me(and to somewhat of an extent Sakura as well). If my wagon is pushed to the inevitable end there is almost nothing I can do to convince you otherwise(and, if you are town I can understand why you would wish upon my lynch......oh, I get it)

IF you are town, so.....let's pretend I am dead and gone. Gun to your head, i flip town........who would you say has either pushed my mislynch OR just in general who would you say would be most likely scum?

I just don't want this game day to be bogged down by the wagon on me and only this. Leave your votes on me if you must, but how about we discuss everyone.

For example, and apologize if possibly some of this has been addressed in the last 18 hours or so, Persivul still not giving a solid reason for his sheep, turkeys vote on Persivul, Sakura not doing much since her 'catching scum' gambit. Hmm, guess today has been mainly about me.....but I think you get my point about expanding the conversation to be solely focused ALL on me.

And Gamma, just skimmed back a bit.......if my snake remark is what tipped the scales for me being scum for you......think about that one for a smidge ok?

[Doctor Drew]

Hey you showed back up!

I think it was pretty clear that Fish's reaction to the fake guilty is what took any doubt out of my mind he is scum.

GE's secret reason to trust you intrigues me and makes you think your play wasn't scum motivated.

As for Sky, makes total sense. If I wasnt town reading you before the 'secret reason' thing may have pinged the scumdar harder for me.

And you are correct, for better or worse I went to survival mode, I can't argue that too much heh. This is the main reason why I just made the post I made and want to further discussion not just centered on me but on how everyone is acting around me.

And honestly, thank you for engaging with me.

Pre Edit: Sorry, my opening and closing to that came off a bit dickish.....I was genuine but trying to be a bit cheeky lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok.

Coming out of D1 Fish was my number 1 scum read, and with Thes flipping town and my read of Turkey changing towards the end of D1 he really was the only one I could say I had a solid scun read on. Then you come out firing here on D2 with what appeared to be an informed vote. I saw that my top(and as said, really only, scum read) had this potentially informed vote and voted mainly because of this, but also at the very least a little early pressure on a scum read generally reaps good results. When seeing some of your posts, including your inner monologue stuff, I doubted myself a bit about your intention and wanted to get Fish to give me more evidence that you were lying(and to clarify, that you were lying scum) and I should trust him over you. I honestly wasn't expecting much, and imo he gave me less then that. At that point I determined he was scum.

And as far as his reaction being NAI, I agree to an extent. I already had the somewhat strong scum read on him so something NAI isn't going to change my mind. And, it was a bit over the top imo......like he went from 0-60 right away with some pressure on him.

Also, was your signature something different before?

[Doctor Drew]

Like that's still the part that i dont get... your "doubts" dont match your scumread on him.

I have no definitive proof that Fish is scum, just strongly believe it to be so. You vote him with a strong hint it is an informed vote, then from my perspective start acting strangely, yes I am going to doubt my read a bit.

You are coming at this from 'I manipulated scum to sheep my fake vote' and I am coming at this from 'Was i just manipulated by scum to double down on my top scum read who actually may be town?'

This is why I said to fish 'to show me something' that can give me pause maybe back off my scum read of him. I didn't really think you were lying scum but I am gonna do my due diligence when something does strike me odd.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: And maybe I am an idiot(or just drunk lol), but what do mean my doubts don't match my scum read?

[Doctor Drew]

How did this game go from super active to tumbleweeds literally passing me by.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok, Doctor feels worse and worse here. So does Rick.
Liking Sakura more and more here. She's actively scumhunting with this gambit instead of letting it lie. Same with Formerfish.
The Turkey I'm not sure about. He pings me in a non-aggressive sort of way.
Chemist, I have no idea about. It's a legit claim I guess, but it makes me uncomfortable.

Independent of your read on me.

I am the one not letting it lie, and finally got her to respond to me with follow up questions. Fish has just used my posts to fit his end game. Outside of Sakuras gambit at the start of the day, I see very little to no scum hunting.

Can you at least not pull a Pers and explain your reads.

[Doctor Drew]

I'm now going through my entire mod PT and updating all the stuff in there so I don't fuck up any names/replacements anymore. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

With the amount of replacements we have had, can't be mad at you.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't fucking know who you are.

I love when dudes with current join dates act like everyone should know who their main is. Is there a flow chart available where I can look up alts and trace them back to their mains?

You can become a listmod

True story, I had an account that I haven't used in 5ish years(FuDuzn if you wanna dive into my game history). I wanted to start fresh though, so I started this new account. Wasn't trying to be a sneaky alt, but I tried joining my second newbie game and was denied because the Newbie list mod saw my IP address was attached to said old account. Still thought it was weird I couldn't join a newbie game as an SE.......but anywho.

Rick, if you don't want to do a catch up, how about this. Since you replaced in is there anyone who is obv scum or obv town to you?

I am guessing Persivul is your obv town read, but I don't want to put words in your mouth.

[Doctor Drew]

One thing I am trying to get, is why would you push my lynch d1.

What was confusing about his push on you, Drew?

I felt very strongly that you vs Thes was scum vs scum. To answer your other question here as well, i wanted to keep my top two scum reads pitted against each other(why I kept my vote on you).

What confused me was that, thes flipped town, I now read you as town......when one mislynch was available, and another(you) which I believe would be a mislynch, why push another in there.

Hmm, as I typed that out I think I just realized it really wouldn't make sense for Fish to be scum.

Fuck, Sakura did catch me.....not as scum mind you, I am not scum.......but as a tunneler. Had my blinders on and didn't see the obvious.

UNVOTE:

But, I will say that I that Fish taking his vote off me had me thinking as well.

[Doctor Drew]

But shit, why did Fish take his vote off me?

Hold on, gotta skim the end of d1.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok, here's the deal man.

Obviously I am town reading Turkey, and I have a hard time believing that I am wrong about Turkey. I have serious doubts about Fish as scum(Sakura telling me how my thoughts work notwithstanding). One thing for certain I feel is that they cannot be scum together.

I also believe Gamma to be town if we are talking about votes on me, which we aren't lol.

Sakura, take your blinders off me for a second. What do you think of Persivul taking his vote off me?

[Doctor Drew]

Turkey, clarify what you mean about I should have seen the secret reasons post.....I did see it.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok I am confused, I saw Gamma mentioning trusting Sakura because of 'super secret reasons'

I need to go back. Everybody hold on.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Fish

Why

Secret reasons maybe?

Oh this?

Maybe I never adressed it directly, but pretty clear I stated i was under the assumption that she had some insider info.

Yall are trying to over complicate this.

[Doctor Drew]

Literally my vote was directly after this.....no pre edit.....saw it, and voted as such.

[Doctor Drew]

My vote was on the last post of the page, the secret reasons post was on the next one, it's entirely possible you just saw my post after i had already posted and quoted it and voted. Since my post was already made when you started typing it you wouldn't see a preview edit (Although you could've seen it in the posts that appear at the bottom of the typing post unless you use quick reply).

Actually no, and let me clarify.

I voted Fish right after you did as a quick sheep of my scum read. After that I saw your 'secret reasons' post an felt good about my vote.

Then Fish went a bit nuts, you had your inner monologue stuff, felt a bit weird and that is where my doubt was at.

While I have your here, care to comment on my question about Persivul?

Pre Edit: Why is that Rick?

Pre Edit 2: .....

[Doctor Drew]

I voted Fish right after you did as a quick sheep of my scum read.

And my 180 and vote didnt give you pause?

Ever think that may because of insider info?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

I think I can accept this solve
Also VOTE: Drew

So it is, be back in a bit.....eating some wings.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, Gob

Then the last one is Gamma, Persivul, or Brafin.

Skygazer’s entrance just gut pings me as town.

I think I can accept this solve
Also VOTE: Drew

So it is, be back in a bit.....eating some wings.

Quoted wrong post, this was in response to Sakura lol.

Also, more lol to the fake hammer attempt. Was waiting for for Mod to post the VC to make sure.

Good.points are being brought up about James, but I am not sure how much is AI. Especially since, and I forgot who said it, but they made a case on James saying stuff like 'this pings me' and non commital verbiage.......but Rick literally just used that same verbiage and no one is calling him out.

In case anyone was wondering, those were tasty wings. Hot Buffalo ftw.

[Doctor Drew]

I mean that one fooled me too.
But i knew you were L-2 last VC so i thought it was L-1

I was fooled initially, but in my predit(lol, I will never live that down) I saw Korina post his 'vc' thing. I added the the bit about wings and such afterwards for flavor.....so to speak.

Sky switched off me onto James I believe.

While we are here, I don't really buy scum James.....do you, Sakura?

I apologize if you did already address this......very busy today up until now and may have missed stuff.

[Doctor Drew]

While we are here, I don't really buy scum James.....do you, Sakura?

I went back and realized he copy and pastes the toxicity thing and the random question thing in all of his games.

This is important info methinks.
Which means the thing i thought was towny may actually be NAI

Lazy Drew is lazy......I do remember reading this now.

This is the thing with him, he is a giant ball of null. Every time I think one way about him, I start to come back the other way.

I had a strong town read on him D1, but he has swayed that time almost a scum read for me. But, as I said, things he has said are getting him scum read......but other people are getting a free pass for it. Which then brings me back to him as town.

Honestly, and all apologies to you Sakura, the most confusing player in the game for me.

[Doctor Drew]

Hot Buffalo ftw.

I prefer a nice sweet and spicy. Maybe like a Thai Chili sauce, and some chunky af blue cheese dressing.

Can't argue that, but I need the spice........my base line is hot buffalo.

This is coming from someone who ate a ghost pepper though.

[Doctor Drew]

I had a strong town read on him D1, but he has swayed that time almost a scum read for me. But, as I said, things he has said are getting him scum read......but other people are getting a free pass for it. Which then brings me back to him as town

Who are the people getting a free pass?

People was probably the wrong term to use.

I just meant Rick.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought that post 1463 was odd. It seems uncharacteristic of Rick given how aggressive he is about me.

Just popping in to say that I will be more active starting tomorrow, busy weekend and such. I have, though, been trying to at least keep up with the game. So with that......

You two weren't the only ones who felt off by 1463. If it's a read, you believed it to be true, yes you may have doubts, but why just deny it when it is brought up to you?

And maybe parroting a bit, but what did you think about her 'in the moment'?

Ok, see you all tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

And maybe parroting a bit, but what did you think about her 'in the moment'?

Her..?

Poor structuring of my post, that was directed at Rick in regards to Skygazer.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew are you scumreading anyone?

I was gonna post reads last night, but got caught up other stuffs and then passed out heh.

I have 3 tiers.

People I can not see voting: Spangled, Chemist, Turkey, Skygazer

People I could see voting, but you would have to bring up some strong evidence they are scum that hasn't been brought up yet: James, Sakura

Scum is in here: Fish, Rick, Persivul

So with that VOTE: Persivul

[Doctor Drew]

lol those reads.

Por que?

[Doctor Drew]

Ha totally knew I forgot someone, that's how much of an impact he has had to me heh. Gotta give him a quick iso.

And turkey, think of Sakura and James as more null reads that would take alot of stuff to happen to vote them over my top three scum reads. In fact I would probably flip flop James and Sakura(meaning, person on the left a little more town in each tier). To put it another way, there isn't something about her that screams scum, but I can't call her town over anybody in my 1st tier.

And Sakura, somewhat correct I guess. Except as I just said I am not scum reading you......and to a lesser extent James as well.

And my town reads, obviously Spangled is tops, followed by Chemist who I would shocked is lying about his claim, Turkey is my top town read who hasn't been confirmed town or outed pr, Skygazer starts to lean null since she just kind of hasn't made an impact to call her town......but no way I could vote her at this point.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I should add, not super confident anymore as Fish for scun.
I also just can't justify saying I think he is more town over anybody in a tier above him.

[Doctor Drew]

Ok as far as GE.

Asks alot if questions, makes short posts which I like since I feel scum generally would try to flesh out posts to appear more townie(though that could just be his playstyle).

Don't know why he got a free pass on the Fish vote though, but not a scum tell, just a genuine question(yes I remember the 'secret reasons' stuff).

Also, GE did you not realize you already voted me and at least two of us thought I was at L-1. Either a total brain fart or a very scum motivated play, I hope he can enlighten me.

Then I will give my read on him.

[Doctor Drew]

And Sakura, somewhat correct I guess. Except as I just said I am not scum reading you.....

?
I didnt say you did.
I made an observtion on your reads list.

Oops, misread your post

[Doctor Drew]

that post felt like you were trying to not anger me more than anything.

I mean I wasn't trying to anger you.......but I wasn't trying to appease you if that is what you are getting at. Turkey asked why I would vote you, I clarified my read to him

Regardless as i said, the people in your "i would vote" and "scum reads" are still all the people voting you or with a scumread on you, sans GE, which apparently from that post he's dead null so he'd go to "i would vote" anyway?

Or how about you let GE respond to my question, I will give my read on him, and you can stop putting words in my mouth.

[Doctor Drew]

Don't have time right now, but I will say I am the Doctor(a bit of irony lol).

Be back later with my multiple breadcrumbs I thought Turkey picked up on hence why I townread him now!

[Doctor Drew]

Well you saved me time from explaining my bread crumbs.

Way to hammer the the doc.

[Doctor Drew]

Don't have time right now, but I will say I am the Doctor(a bit of irony lol).

Be back later with my multiple breadcrumbs I thought Turkey picked up on hence why I townread him now!

Holy fuck, how did I miss this post?

This never came up in preedit at all.

Sooo.....this is you claiming scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Don't have time right now, but I will say I am the Doctor(a bit of irony lol).

Be back later with my multiple breadcrumbs I thought Turkey picked up on hence why I townread him now!

Holy fuck, how did I miss this post?

This never came up in preedit at all.

Sooo.....this is you claiming scum?

No, thats me saying that I never saw you claim and just yolohammered after Gob voted you.

Haha fuck off with that, clear dig at me with the whole pre edit thing.

Turkey......did you see my breadcrumbs?

Pre edit(lol): Not fake claim Sky, I am the Doctor.

[Doctor Drew]

Not hammered?

On phone getting my crumbs.

[Doctor Drew]

Who am I protecting?

Who am I protecting?

Trying to work out if any of the votes on my are from town, and I keep coming back to this. After reading this little back and forth I just get the sense he was being a bit opportunistic and placing a vote and than kind of buckling to his reason behind the vote. Like he knows he

misdiagnosed

the situation but maybe didn't want to look bad by immediately changing vote?

It was after this post that Turkey pulled off me, which I thought means he saw this.

[Doctor Drew]

And Gamma, just skimmed back a bit.......if my snake remark is what tipped the scales for me being scum for you......think about that one for a smidge ok?

?

And this is a bit of a deep cut, but the caduceus is basically two snakes wrapped around a staff. The caduceus being a widely known symbol of medicine.

[Doctor Drew]

ok but who did you protect

Oh sorry, a man can only multitask so much on his phone.

I protected James, even though going into the night I was feeling good about Turkey.....I still was heavily town reading James at this point. Didn't have any PR reads to go on so I protected my, at that time, top town read.

Didn't think they would kill IC tbh.

Pre Edit: Sky, I thought they were, and clearly I was correct, vague enough.

And to both you and Turkey, my user name being Doctor I wanted to have a bit of fun with it. It was somewhat done for end game purposes as well.

And I will take that as a compliment either way Turkey haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Look at his iso.
Never really provides any content, and when pressured to give reads, doesn't even give them.

Rode the easy thespio mislynch wagon, and only really throwing shade at one other player.......Fish. Going off my reads that is scum v scum distancing.

And then on D2 he had a strikingly similar conversation with Rick......again, scum v scum.

When myself or Turkey pressed Persivul, he was just dismissive and defensive.

I want Sakuras take on all that has happened. She can't control the narrative anymore, so maybe she can hop off the side lines.

Pre Edit: I ask and I receive lol.

[Doctor Drew]

General question to everyone, is this par for the course in regards to Sakura's playstyle?

[Doctor Drew]

General question to everyone, is this par for the course in regards to Sakura's playstyle?

What do you want to know.

Outside of some interactions with me, seems like a lot of sniping from the side lines. I know you said you were sick, so that probably adds to it.

I just remember someone saying early in the game that you have an 'unique' playstyle and I am trying to figure it out.

Pre Edit: awwww

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor claiming doctor

I mean, it is in my name......twas meant to be.

Pers, not sure why you being away when I voted you has any bearing. Don't use that as a way of discrediting me. And any attempt that Turkey or myself questioned your vote on me all you did was say 'fuck off, go look at Sakuras posts'.

You also never responded to the interactions I mentioned you had with Rick and Fish. You were able to respond to other parts of the same post, but not this. Not surprised though.

[Doctor Drew]

intent to hammer drew

Where is this coming from town?
A claimed doc, and you’re like

Spoiler:

Talk to me about this please Sky.

I don't believe the doc claim. It's an easy claim for scum to make in this setup and hard to disprove. I think their crumbs coming later on rather than earlier leads me to believe they realized they need to be setting up a claim since they've felt a lot of pressure so far. I also don't feel like doctors don't want to leave any traces that they're doctors; crumbing is pretty opposite to the whole "hiding from scum" play that most doctors would be playing like. they also hadn't pointed out any of their crumbs or claimed who they targeted when i declared intent, so declaring intent put some pressure on them to complete their claim as quick as possible without any chance to coordinate it.

Wow.

I responded to fake hammer saying I was doc, then posted crumbs when I had a free moment. Sorry I didn't drop everything right away for you.

This is such a misrep.

[Doctor Drew]

And, I had crumbs from D1.....

[Doctor Drew]

The who a I protecting ones.

[Doctor Drew]

The who a I protecting ones.

Ugh typos, the who I am protecting ones.

[Doctor Drew]

I thought i was at L-1 so I knew I needed to claim and post crumbs. I was then quickly 'hammered', so I was like fuck it, now I don't have to waste time pulling up the crumbs(wasn't a fuck you to town though, just saved me the hassle of doing it on a phone). When I realized I wasn't hammered, and still presumably at L-1, I realized I do need to get the crumbs.

And here we go with PreEditGate again, but I did see the intent but it was irrelevant since being at L-1 is basically a general intent to hammer.

Pre Edit: I am fairly confident Sakura is town now, along with Gamma.

[Doctor Drew]

Wait, Turkey.......you voted me because you thought the game was stalling? And what did you mean when you said 'guess I was right' before you voted me?

[Doctor Drew]

i'd also like to point out that gobble has acted to remove pressure from drew;

Also note that they were voting each other a fair amount yesterday, but now they're back to back on my wagon.

Doubtful scum buddies would be that obvious, but it sure seems like one of them is scum trying to pocket the other.

Can't speak for him, but like I said I thought he saw my crumbs and unvoted me. Me surviving the night, and him not blindly jumping on my wagon led me to believe he is not scum. But I do admit some of this was based off me believing he saw my crumbs.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh i like activity graphs! Do me! Do me!

You would be the equivalent of a 10 beats per minute ekg.


Hi5 for that extra little doc bread crumb.


Anyone?


I will show myself out.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh i like activity graphs! Do me! Do me!

You would be the equivalent of a 10 beats per minute ekg.


Hi5 for that extra little doc bread crumb.


Anyone?


I will show myself out.

Hana has more posts then you do by a mile. So if she's basically braindead, what's that make you?

She has 193 posts I have 116. I am no math major, and don't know the conversion of posts to units of measurement.......but I wouldn't consider 77 a mile. But thanks for pulling a page out of her book and putting words in my mouth.

Also, you completely and utterly missed the point.

Someone with a 10 bpm heart rate would, on an ekg, beep.......then take a bit.....then beep......and so forth.

What I am saying is, she is here doing stuff.....then gone. Then back with 'Hey I am still active posts'......then gone.

And I didn't really say it is scummy, just an observation.....and it was somewhat a jokey post. Why are you so defensive about it?

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor claiming doctor

No thoughts on any of this?

I’ve already said I think Gobb/doc is scum.

I still agree with my town block. Persivul can even step back in to sample the party.

Opinions on Fish?

[Doctor Drew]

I actually don't trust Turkeys claim.

Like Sakura and Fish, I tried to get a general sense of the setup but there are so so many different possibilities that I just said 'could go many ways, I'll just drink some beer and figure it out as I go along'. Turkey really is being very analytical about it though, and it troubles me that he appears to be using these analytics to work out what the best false claim would be. That and a big part of my town read of him was him seeing my crumbs, which he said he did not. And looking back at his posts today I really get the impression that he didn't wanna vote me for town credit.

This game just got flipped on its head for me.

[Doctor Drew]

What are all the claims rn, my gut tells me the setup isn't looking right here

Chemist - 1 shot tracker
Turkey - Vig
Doctor - Doctor(lol)

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Sakura

Fish, you around? Help me start this, or at least unvote.

Why are you starting this? I'm really not feeling it rn.

Woah, totally missed this. Really seems like a survival vote.

Did Persivul explain this at all?

[Doctor Drew]

What's the VC?

I will gladly hammer if he hasn't already been.

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t get you Drew. Why wouldn’t you vote even if I was L-1 if you’re ok hammering

I never will hammer without declaring intent(well, unless i am scum). Plus feels like more info can be gathered, so while I did(and do) want to hammer......not ending the day just yet.

[Doctor Drew]

PHEW.

I really don't see how Fish was so town confirmed. His reaction to Sakuras gambit was textbook scum.

[Doctor Drew]

PHEW.

I really don't see how Fish was so town confirmed. His reaction to Sakuras gambit was textbook scum.

I was tailored n1, any result would make me look town I knew that and therefore knew Hana was lying or running a Gambit.

How did I react scummy when I knew she couldn't have a negative result on me?

You can't tell me the way you reacted, and then when the heat switched to me, wasn't scummy.

Your tone switched almost immediately when heat got put on me.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, flavor leaf was in the game?

[Doctor Drew]

And I was the one turning the tables on you with your hop on Hana gambit...

That's the frustration, Sakura thought she had a great plan.....but all it did was clear scum.

In a vacuum you were scummy as shit.

And, stupid question......if flavor leaf was Rick Dalton......who is boon?

[Doctor Drew]

i've heard whispers from the boys upstairs that boon might possibly be flavor leaf

Well ya.......I just can't even with all these alts.

[Doctor Drew]

In a vacuum you were scummy as shit.

Good thing we play in a game where other shit is happening. Dont be salty you got outplayed, your side won, be a gracious winner.

Oh, not salty.

I commend your play overall. I just don't get how no one else thought you were scummy at that point.

[Doctor Drew]

I know im not a very good player, and im not claiming that i am.
But i disclosed evidence of James lying about cop, I also figured there was probably scum in the townbloc since D4, and had strong reasons to believe it was FF most likely, Just rick kept telling me "TRUST IN THE TOWNBLOC"
I'm not good at pushing people in general, im not good at making cases, i just always vote with my instinct, my reads usually arent very good early game and i tend to not play as much as i do late game.
I did have a hard time deciding between FF and Rick at LyLo mostly due to knowing Rick's identity, but i had stronger reasons to believe FF was scum over Rick, i just wanted to make sure i wasnt making a mistake, so i went to check Sky's last words and Spangled's last set of reads for reasurance.

Sorry if you felt my play was weird or bad tho, or that i cleared scum FF.

I want to make this very clear.

I play this game to have fun, and I had a lot of fun this game, both when alive and when dead.

Any context of frustration and anger was purely in the context of the game.

I would always play a game again with anyone who was involved with this game.

My apologies if anyone thought I was actually angry about the game, and if anyone took offense to what I said.

That being said, I will tunnel Fish in every game I see him haha.

[Doctor Drew]

Btw, i did say that FF's reaction to the gambit was NAI.
I never said he was clear.

I was too focused on him to probably notice that.

Pre Edit: Yes! Despite all this, I enjoyed your play style.