Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi guys.
Relatively new on mafiascum, but i've got a few games under my belt off-site. Are y'all veterans or what?
Anyway looking forward to a fun game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops i got an error message when i posted the first one so i thought the post didn't get sent properly.

GREAT START!

I deleted the duplicate post. -Mod

[NorwegianboyEE]

Haha, good one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm being /s by the way. That joke is the biggest pile of garbage I've read on this site so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm being /s by the way. That joke is the

biggest pile of garbage I've read on this site so far.

Welp if you thought that was bad your going to enjoy going down the rabbit hole we call mafia scum.

Wow, not even an apology? I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to be lynched for that. ;(
VOTE: Garmr

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Profii
If you are seriously claiming you believe my vote on Garmr was serious then i'm scumreading you already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just didn't like the tone of his comment. Felt like he was trying to accuse me just because i made a joke vote. That's all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RVS votes don't matter for jack ****. That's what i believe, i'm just trying to follow the culture around these parts since some of the people here actually seem to believe that RVS votes matter. Yet now Profii is claiming my vote puts us out of RVS? Scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So RVS is even more pointless than i thought.
Good to know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll just UNVOTE: for now. Would like to see more of what people has to say before i start placing votes. That's more my style anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Profii
It's really too early for me to tell. We've got lots of time anyway. I'll promise to come back with you on this. Once we've got a bunch more pages of discussion i'll post my reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My unvote really didn't have anything to do with pressure mr Billy Pilgrim. I've never been a fan of RVS votes. I just thought i'd stay hip with the crowds at mafiascum by doing it. Also can you try to spell my name right? God, at least this proves we aren't teamed up. Otherwise i would have complained about that to you already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh I am not really getting your point about profii why thinking your vote moved us out of RVS is scummy. I get your tonal read in #21, but if you dislike RVS so much, why have you decided to roll with it instead of going for profii who gave you actually scummy vibes?

I thought that Profii might be attempting to provoke me so he can get a good read on my alignment. Which is a townie thing to do, so that's why i didn't blame him. Of course there's also the possibility he's mafia attempting to get a early outing of a townie. But i think he's trustworthy since he even confirmed his intent in this post:

thats the reason i just probed at Norge's vote just to see if he reacted in any major way but i dont think he did

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean get an early mislynch*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree fellow animated avatar. He gave me the same icky feeling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Kraeg
I honestly think your entire reason for voting me and claiming i "put us out of RVS" is complete bullcrap. In my eyes it is your post that put us out of RVS because you're the first one to make a hard accusation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also gonna go ahead and vote you based on that reason.

VOTE: Kraeg

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well technically you're just the one that followed Profii's logic, but that's even worse. The way you just non-commitingly string along with whatever Profii said is a bit sus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And does that change your read of his generally aggro behavior on coming into the forum?

Eh, not really.
Maybe something will change my opinion on him, but just that won't do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretty sure i already explained this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just so damn charming i know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey just checking in to show i'm here.
No reads cus i'm busy typing an essay for another massive mafia game i'm playing on the forum right now. Y'all will just have to deal with being secondary priority. >:)
Will post later.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mini normal setups usually have 2 mafia right?
Also i still feel like we should be pushing Kraeg more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This current argument between Garmr and Luca proves:
Both town: Might be.
1 town 1 scum: Might be.
Both scum: Very unlikely

[NorwegianboyEE]

My stance is that Luca and Garmr are both town and i'd like to pressure Kraeg insted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know for sure, like i said already. It could be a SvT scenario. It's just that i feel more confident going against Kraeg right how. His posts and reason for voting me just doesn't feel right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow you’re really persistent on me bothering to analyze everything those goobers said aren’t you Profii? Fine i’ll analyze it deeply when i get back home.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Profii
Also i never said i wanted you to follow my vote. Which you seem to suggest in post 188.
Not sure why you thought that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

>Garmr subtly disses Luka in post 165. Claiming Luka’s points are “hollow and somewhat textbook”

>Luca Blight immediately notices post 165 and initiates hostilities with Garmr. The scene is set for BRUTAL VERBAL COMBAT!

>In post 166 Luca Blight directly confronts Garmr with an explanation for how his playstyle has permeated throughout the game. He defends his own votes and reads while criticizing Garmr’s performance, votes and reads, stating that he must “either be a stubborn townie or scum pushing an agenda”. Luca also states that the game is still in its early stage, and therein proves the lack of adequate analysis by Luca himself.

>Garmr in post 167 responds like a totally rude bastard by claiming his post is addressed towards “everyone but Luca”. Excluding the very person he is criticizing from replying to his verbal assault. In the post he aggressively claims Luca has no real case on why he is scum, yet keeps pushing. Garmr then surprisingly claims that Profii’s reasons for scumreading him seems genuine and he wouldn’t blame Profii for thinking so, even if it is “wrong”.
Words to remember: “His just painted an image of me to bash and he did a good job at that.”

>Post 168. Luca blight responds to Garmr anyway, (Which I really don’t blame him for). Luca continues the ring match with an absolute banger of a post, deeply analyzing every point Luca has made and also throwing in the insult: “if you are town, take a deep breath. If you are scum continue digging your own hole” OH SNAP! Apparently Luca has no wish to continue engaging in an 1v1 with Garmr, but of course… Garmr responds anyway.

>Post 170… Ok you know what? You get the point. I doubt either of these two are town. Case closed. I’ve got ADHD, I ain't gonna continue reading these long boring posts. My point is that i have a strong feeling these two are just deeply analytical scumhunting townies that suddenly crossed streams and began attacking each other, neither backing down from their stubborn claims aimed at each other.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt either of these two are town.

"I doubt either of these two are scum"
^Corrected mistake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Majority only needs 5.
So if 1 disagrees it's not an issue.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you guys will just have to learn to deal with the way i am. Most of my posts are reactive and i usually only point out things that stick out to me. I read everything people say here but i can't be bothered to add my comments to absolutely everything. If you guys think that's scummy then by all means lynch me. If i get mislynched as town in like 5 games maybe people will begin to understand that this is just my personality and it is usually not alignment indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well at least i can post my reads. Their not very good since we are in day 1, but it will help town regardless of alignment, so i hope everyone else can write a simple reads list like this at some point. If people start writing it when we have more information then that's ok.
My reads:

Light townlean:
Luca Blight
Garmr
profii
Skellen

Unsure:
Mohab500
Billy Pilgrim
Emperor FlippyNips

Scumlean:
Kraeg

Also can someone tell me how many freaking mafia are in this game so i can know what to look out for? 2 or 3?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you guys will just have to learn to deal with the way i am. Most of my posts are reactive and i usually only point out things that stick out to me. I read everything people say here but i can't be bothered to add my comments to absolutely everything. If you guys think that's scummy then by all means lynch me. If i get mislynched as town in like 5 games maybe people will begin to understand that this is just my personality and it is usually not alignment indicative.

I want you to think about this post. You're basically recognizing that you're playing in a way that the group perceives as bad because you keep getting lynched. Yet your response to that is for the group to change it's perception of you. Why should we? If you keep playing badly, you're either scum or bad town. Why would we want you in LYLO? You're a potential liability there. So if you keep playing badly, the solution from a town perspective is to policy lynch you. That means we Lynch you D1. And we do that because we know it's bad to have you in late game situations. So while you think the site will just have to adjust to you, you may not like the way it adjusts to you. Please stop playing so reactively and start reading. I saw your reads list, care to develop that at all?

I'm not good at analyzing dense posts and creating essays that address each and every point. I'm just gonna say that right now. I still don't think i'm a bad player, so getting policy lynched on day 1 because my playstyle is "different" from the "accepted townie standard" just feels like elitist BS.
I can elaborate on any points you want, just tell me which reads you want me to further elaborate upon and i'll do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I definitely didn't mean to suggest that we do that today in this game. I read my message back and I realize it could have come off that way. I was mainly referring to his resigned attitude here that he would just keep playing this way into the future. So to clarify, I think you should try and play better and try and get reads off those dense posts.

And no we shouldn't policy lynch him today.

But in the future is ok?
My reads are mainly based on tone and emotions of the people i'm analyzing. If i see two people making huge blocks of text i'm thinking. "What mindset are these two people in right now? They are both very worked up and convinced that the other is scum... ergo= Both are most likely town"
See? No fifty paragraph line by line essay necessary.
I really don't have anything more to say about the 1v1 between Gramr and Luca. So the fact that you called me out for my "resigned attitude" honestly surprised and perplexed me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes it was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it just me or does post 183 feel like an excuse to shirk responsibility? Kraeg seemed so eager to scumread me from the start, then he goes full 180 with his "nah just forget it bro." response.
Did he really reconsider his vote or is it a cop out?
Kraeg can you please explain your thought process in full detail?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd like to hear from Kraeg, not you Profii.
Thought it's interesting how much you defend him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've read some of the wiki articles, but i have not done any in-depth research no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was RVS

Was it now?

Game is already out of RVS after a few posts 'cause of Norwegian.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Profii, if you’ve started coming around to the idea that Kraeg might be scum i suggest you vote him first rather than probing for his potential teammate (s) on day 1. I read on the wiki scum-hunting tactics, and it’s stated that scum team speculation is not much use until the suspects lynch has gone through and flip has confirmed alignment.
Though i commend you for trying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's it Emperor? Give us your thoughts on recent events at least.
- Kraeg bandwagon, approve or disapprove?
- Who's your main townread/scumreads?
- Gramr and Luca 1v1, do you think it's TvS, SvS or TvT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i hope so, your slot is the hardest to read right now cus almost everything you've said is sorta lacking in substance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So my vote on Norwegian is just like this

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

I'm gonna go ahead and sheep Garmr with this. How is profii describing how the game is getting out of RVS an accusation?

I'm quite confused why people are making a huge fuss about this.

That feels like a bit of a misrepresentation, my vote on you wasn't based 'just' on this initial first vote you made. That vote could reasonably be assumed to have been RVS.

It was this following post that made me feel suspicious about you:

Game is already out of RVS after a few posts 'cause of Norwegian.

You claim your vote was just based on RVS, but here in your own words you claim that i had already by that point put us out of RVS. So you were legitimizing your vote on me as genuine long before you suddenly changed your story about the vote having "always been RVS".

[NorwegianboyEE]

im leaning a mohab+Kraeg team

So you think Mohab would vote her own teammate if they are scum team?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wanna hear from Kraeg right now. But yeah it's kind of weird Emperor mentions Mohab of all people, unless he was probing for reactions. While it's entirely possible that one of Mohab/Kraeg is scum. Them both being scum seems very unlikely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also what even is fence sitting?

Fence sitting is shifting back and forth between different possibilities and votes. Never really settling on one vote or stance in particular.

Example of fence sitting:
Jon: I think A is scum. Let's vote A.
You: I agree, I'm voting A. Though i am also unsure about B.
Camilla: I think B is scum. Let's vote B
You: Actually i think Camilla is right, i'm voting B.
Jon: No, vote A!
You: Hmm.. Ok i might vote A, or maybe i'll vote B??

Example of not fence sitting:
Jon: I think A is scum. Let's vote A.
You: I agree, I'm voting A.
Camilla: I think B is scum. Let's vote B
You: No Camilla, i think A is more scummy because "Reasons". Therefore i will not be switching my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

Profii, if you’ve started coming around to the idea that Kraeg might be scum i suggest you vote him first rather than probing for his potential teammate (s) on day 1. I read on the wiki scum-hunting tactics, and it’s stated that scum team speculation is not much use until the suspects lynch has gone through and flip has confirmed alignment.
Though i commend you for trying.

I dont think there’s any harm in trying to figure the team out. especially with a good amount of time left. but imagine a world where you are guessing the teams right? you boil it down to two people boom you’re like I think this is the scum team fellow towns people. one dies shit they flipped!Red. then what do you know the other person you said might be partners with the other person starts to gains traction they panic, they claim cop. then the real cop comes out & says hey! you’re not a cop im a cop. & you’re a bad guy, they die, games over, parade in your honor

Dream on my friend... Mafia games never unfold the way you think it does. Even if you get something right, some other detail will be completely wrong. Such is the curse of those that play mafia!

[NorwegianboyEE]

THEORY:
If Kraeg is scum one of the voters might be scum too.
If Kraeg is town then scum either voting or refraining from voting is a possibility.

The reason i think line 1 = most likely true. Is because if one of the two (?) mafia are getting voted already then the last remaining mafia member would definitely want to stay on the "correct" side of the day 1 voting. Especially since so many seem to be agreeing on Kraeg right now that if someone moves against the consensus they would be picked off as the scum teammate easily.

Then again, this is assuming Kraeg is scum at all. His silence really isn't helping his case so i'm sticking to my guns for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i'll unvote so no fools can hammer until you've said what you want to say.
UNVOTE: Kraeg

[NorwegianboyEE]

He should at least have told us if he's busy in RL or what. At least we would know whether he's serious or just stalling.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Somehow i’m not feeling convinced yet.
VOTE: Kraeg

[NorwegianboyEE]

Somehow i’m not feeling convinced yet.
VOTE: Kraeg

Man, your slot is infuriating to sort. You got anything to say about Mohab?

lol.
Mohab? Well i’ve got to say that if Kraeg flips town then She’d probably be my next suspect. I do agree on the observation that she seems to be a bit "sheepy" but i don’t see any reason to not trust her over Kraeg as of right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Kraeg town= Mohab sus
If Kraeg scum= Billy sus.

Either a town victory or good information on who’s scum. Win-win.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I see.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Kraeg town= Mohab sus
If Kraeg scum= Billy sus.

Either a town victory or good information on who’s scum. Win-win.

I dont like this post at all

Yeah, if he's scum he is setting up a mis-lynch for day 2. I mean I'm probably suspicious if Kraeg flips red, that much I get, but why is Mohab the only suspect in a green Kraeg flip?

Yeah it’s kinda incomplete, i just wrote that in a hurry because i wanted Kraeg to feel pressured into roleclaiming.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?

You pivoted almost immediately from Kraeg to Mohab. Why?

If Kraeg isn’t lying he’ll most likely get nightkilled anyway. So i think we should look for another target. If he doesn’t then he will seem more scummy as time goes on right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I re-read the garmr Luca argument to see if i could notice anything new, but it still feels TvT to me. Wondering if i should just sheep Profii in pushing Billy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Light townlean:
Luca Blight
Garmr
profii
Skellen
Kraeg

Unsure:
Mohab500
Billy Pilgrim
Emperor FlippyNips

Day 1 reads terrible as always...

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i've split the remaining people into 2 camps:

No interest in voting:
3) Luca Blight
9) Billy Pilgrim

At some point interested in voting:
1) Mohab500
2) Skellen
4) Garmr
5) Emperor FlippyNips
7) NorwegianboyEE

Why does the people that have no interest in voting make them innocent in your eyes?
It's perfectly possible that at least one scum refrained from voting Kraeg because they knew he was town and that not partaking in the wagon would give them cheap and easy "town" points.
I like your post otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh never mind you split them into 2 groups for some other reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I kinda want to believe Mohab is innocent based on gut feeling.
So that means i'd probably pick out either Billy Pilgrim or Emperor from the roster.
Not sure who i'd vote for yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was considering sheeping Profii on voting Emperor, but that just feels dishonest to myself. I still want to see his memes and gifs... :/
That leaves Billy Pilgrim.

After looking at Billy's iso i realize there's so much i don't like about his posts.

Not a fan of Norweigenboy's defensive tone, and definitely not a fan that he unvoted when getting pressure for voting.

This feels unnecessarily combative. Trying to paint my actions as "defensive" even though that is not how i felt at that point. He suggests my crappy first RVS vote apparently was such a big deal that i unvoted due to"pressure" which is a big misrepresentation. Kinda feels like he's trying to build a case out of nothing, i don't see why a townie would want to do this. Sure he gave up eventually, but still a weird way to start the day.

Post 207 just generally pisses me off. "Why would we want you in LYLO?" Ugh. He's basically trying to paint a case about lynching me just because he claims that if i'm not scum i'm just a "bad townie". Either he wrote this post as a scum looking for easy mislynch or he is very arrogant and rude. Hoping for the former rather than the latter.

I also feel a bit weird about how focused Norwegian and Kraeg have been on each other. I don't want them both in a LYLO situation at all.

^Creating a "We need to lynch either Norwegian or Kraeg!" situation. Again with the LYLO bullcrap.

Spoiler:

Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?

Kraeg, could you at least attempt to defend yourself? If I don't see anything from you in 24 hours Im probably gonna give intent (or at least put you back to L-1 if you're not there. Because I think at that point you've been at L-1 or close for close to 48 hours.

If I get to L-1 again, I'll roleclaim.

I reread the votes on me. Most of it are just based on gut feelings and on how I voted Norwegian after RVS. I don't think I deserve to get lynched because of that. I think I'm becoming an easy lynch. I wouldn't be surprised if two of the scum is on my wagon.

I'm going to go ahead and VOTE: Mohab500.

I don't think he's genuine. He's been sheeping everyone.

Well I now think a Kraeg flip would help me sort Mohab's slot better.

Mohab, you have been kinda sheepy. Can you do a better job explaining your Garmr scum read as well as your Kraeg vote?

^For someone who's been defending Kraeg and suggesting the wagon on him seems "suspicious" and "scum is definitely on the wagon" he still gives intent and makes it perfectly clear he's willing to hammer Kraeg as long as he feels he has a good enough excuse to do it.

Mohab, assuming Kraeg is town and not fake claiming. Who do you think is the most suspicious? And do you have any specific townreads?

You pivoted almost immediately from Kraeg to Mohab. Why?

^Suggesting i did something i didn't. I've been very neutral on mohab, only having light suspicions at best.

Also of interest regarding the "Billy or Emperor" conundrum, Billy has at one point voted Emperor, but Emperor has not voted for Billy.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m choosing to believe Kraeg is town for now. If he doesn’t die in the next couple of nights it’s reasonable to assume he’s scum after all. But for now i think Billy and Mohab is the most suspicious. Mohab’s proposed scumlink between Garmr and Kraeg is weird and makes no sense to me. I’m willing to vote either of the two right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

392399400
I don’t understand your thoughts and progression here at all.
-What is frustrating?
-What is it that makes town: "dumb as bricks"?
-Why did you roleclaim??
-What are you trying to achieve with your posts here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

-What is a "scum theatre"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you want him to feel pressured into a claim before he was at L-1 and intent had been given?

Because i wanted Kraeg to roleclaim, the fact that he didn’t immediately was suspicious to me.

Why were you so willing to believe that claim? I mean it was almost immediate. You didn't give us any of your thoughts on whether the claim was genuine. Why were you so quick to believe it?

Because it makes sense. I could see his behaviour as befitting someone who’s gotten a power role but doesn’t really know how to deal with that responsibility. And if he’s honest then he will get nightkilled soon enough and that’s proof enough.

Explain how you got from 348 to 368 to 372. Because presumably you sorted Kraeg as town from your response to the role claim. So why did Mohab go from being suspect to now inno?

I’ve been very unsure about the slot. So my stance has been for quite a while: "want to believe she’s town, but i’m wary she might be scum so i’m trying to analyze her behaviour with much scrutiny"

In 380, I don't believe I've voted you once, so how was I trying to build a case off of your early actions?

It’s not like voting is required for me to try to analyze what people say.

Your nonchalance about being consistently misread when town is anti-town.

Boo hoo. I doubt i’ll make it to Lylo anyway, so i’m not sure why you keep bringing up this point like it’s an issue.

Also, my question about the quick pivot was more directed to why you didn't first analyze the claim. You aggressively pushed him to claim, then you just went on with a new focus. I don't know why you didn't even try to sort the claim first.

I wanted him to roleclaim for info, when he did i felt the need to unvote in case someone lolhammered, which i’ve seen happen. That’s because i wanted to see what the town’s reaction to the roleclaim was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what Garmr is trying to say is that Kraeg must be scum because there's no way town PR's would include both a roleblocker and jailkeeper (Which Garmr claims he is)?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then let's vote him Profii.

VOTE: Kraeg

[NorwegianboyEE]

uhh sorry y’all I’ve been busy, haven’t had much time on my computer recently. trying to catch up on the last two pages but im pretty tired. if I stop posting then I passed out

10:28 am

Just back from V/LA, gonna be catching up today.

10:30 am

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Emperor
A lot of scum use the "Oh i'm feeling disassociated from the game/not solving like i used to/i just don't care as much TBH" as an excuse for why they aren't as eager to help solve the game. Just sayin.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Strong townlean:
profii
Garmr

Light townlean:
Luca Blight
Skellen

Unsure:
Mohab500
Emperor FlippyNips

Scumlean:
Kraeg
Billy Pilgrim

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this based on anything other than the way I've interacted with your slot?

Post 423.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That math checks because there would only be 1 scum left so whoever did the kill couldn't have been jailkept. I'd recommend choosing someone that's been a leader so we don't have to worry about a deepwolf. Id recommend Profii here. So that if Garmr dies we know for sure that Profii is town. That eliminates a mis-lynch option for us going into day 2.

Terrible idea. I think Gramr should use it on someone suspicious rather than the "town leader". For example Mohab500, Emperor FlippyNips or you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gramr, don't announce who you're blocking. Just choose someone you think is scum. This means that if there's 1 scum remaining he would have to gamble whether he should nightkill or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah, i see your point. The revealed PR's only use at this point is to confirm whether anyone might be innocent. You're right in this instance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You'll need to announce who you're jailkeeping Gramr.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, let's assume Garmr jailkeeps me, he announced it and then he dies. In that case, I get confirmed as inno, how does that help town?

It means we can exclude you from the lynch pool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol, not happening bud.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What would scum Kraeg gain from self-lynching in this scenario?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure if Mohab is trying to intentionally seem suspicious or what... Because her post 459 is really bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Referring to the Kraeg + Gramr part. I don't see how a S+S is possible in this instance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What the fuck?
I’ll just unvote and take my time to process this turn of events.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah let's keep it simple. Honestly, when push comes to shove. All this god damn talk about PR's doesn't change Kraeg's scumminess one bit. Let's just get this over with and lynch Kraeg already.
VOTE: Kraeg

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just an reminder to anyone that might be thinking about hammering or signalling intent. I'd appreciate it if Mohab was allowed to say something about this situation first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab, don't be stupid. If you think Kraeg is scum you should vote Kraeg. Don't self-hammer as a townie, you're ruining our chance to complete the wincon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum is having a field day right now. Sigh.
I wasn't even going to vote you Mohab, i believed in you. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

garmr you know you're going to look sus as hell if Mohab flips town right? Pretty sure it's a bit early to celebrate and praise your own towniness don't ya think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i worded that wrong, not necessarily "super suspicious" but he definitely does not deserve all of the townie creds he has been giving himself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LAMIST is the word.
Post 520.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab's reason for self-hammering leads me to believe she's just frustrated town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Too reply to the question Billy Pilgrim asked me in the dead thread. No, i was being sarcastic.
Also town lost.

In the future please wait for the mod to officially declare the game ended before posting endgame discussion.
This is technically a rule violation for posting in an active game after you died. -Mod

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norge is a weird read because he just flutters in and follows the latest opinion he likes -

he is basically like a moth to a bright light which I am calling as town because scum would care about where the game goes, norge seems to sheep people he deems clever so I think that's towny

- I suppose he could be really good scum who is sheeping wrong town but i dont think so right now

What the **** lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i was cursed at, called things, questioned about my ability to play mafia, nightkilled on night one.
But all in all i actually had very fun in this game. GG.