Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Pine]

Welcome, Minions!

And woe betide ye, trespassers in this sanctified place, Mine Own Forest.

All those who would set foot in My Domain, I offer ye this one chance to save thyself:

Partake of the fruit of my branches, and be empowered!

The taste may be bitter, but the gifts they offer are true.

[Pine]

Fuckin bummed that pine didn’t consider me good enough for the scum team

Awwww, don't be sad! There are older, more reliable players who simply jumped the line on you.

Besides, Jingle drafted you in the third (iirc) round.

[Pine]

Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:

The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit.

The powers are indeed real! There's some measure of risk to taking them, sure, but I assume some risk too. If I gave you, say, a Watcher shot and you caught one of my minions, I can't stop that.

Further, if no one requests a fruit, I can give it to

whomever I want

. Privately. Without you being able to track who has it. Or demand accountability from them.

This includes giving it to one of my own minions. I'd love a free Watcher shot for one of my minions.

Oh? Did I mention? It's a hard-coded rule that

I am not allowed to lie about the effects of the fruit.

So anything I say about them, you can take as gospel.

[Pine]

Setup Specific Information

Alisae is aligned with the Loyal Retainers.
Pine is aligned with Pine's Minions.
Neither Alisae nor Pine are valid submissions for Night Actions of any variety. Neither Alisae nor Pine have a vote, nor can they be given a vote via any means.
I will not lie to you unless it is directly related to a role like Godfather.
This game is

20

:

7

.
This game features non random Role Distribution. I chose who would be town power roles (With the exception of the masonry), ostensibly to give town the best chance possible. (I was more concerned about fun. Deal with it.) Scum had their power roles assigned by Pine. The scum team was decided via a draft with Pine.
Unless you are multitasking, you may not use more than one action per night.

Pine will not lie about the abilities of his gifts or their mechanics.

A Player may not both use a fruit and use a power in the same phase unless they are Multitasking.[/area]

Bolded and enhanced.

[Pine]

A Deal With the Devil

Unlike most coniferous trees, Pine has found a way to produce delicious, fleshy fruit that give the consumer incredible power. Feel free to approach the Great Lord of the Forest for these powers, but be forewarned, Pine is tricky. I can't guarantee that these fruit are safe. The only thing I can say for sure is that Pine will not lie about what the fruit can do. He doesn't have to give them away when asked. Pine creates 2 of these fruit per day. If you would like to request a fruit from Pine, post

Bargain: [Fruit]

. Pine will either grant or refuse your request.

Pine, what fruits do you have for me to bargain for.

I have the first few ready to go, but I have decided to hold off for 24 hours, let us settle in a bit.

Further, if no one requests a fruit, I can give it to

whomever I want

. Privately. Without you being able to track who has it. Or demand accountability from them.

This is not necessarily truth as it is not an effect of the fruit.

Why wouldn't it be better for Pine to just give it out to whoever?

By all means, then, don't request them! I'd love to be able to give secret fruit.

bargain: for some fruit

Do your worst Pine, I will still destroy you.

You have to request a specific power, and I haven't revealed them yet.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Pine]

If you're thinking about eating that fruit do a reverse Google image search of that image

I'm pretty sure Jingle said all of the images come from Yoshi Story, Super Mario Sunshine, or Paper Mario. As far as I can tell, they're just flavor.

[Pine]

Of course there's a catch!

There's a catch if you take the fruit, and a catch if you don't.

@GEmerald: Rude. One doesn't ask a lady her age, nor a tree about its fruit production.

[Pine]

If you're thinking about eating that fruit do a reverse Google image search of that image

I'm pretty sure Jingle said all of the images come from Yoshi Story, Super Mario Sunshine, or Paper Mario. As far as I can tell, they're just flavor.

Nah the image you posted and made your avatar returned "poison apple" when I did a reverse GIS of it.

That's my own image. The fruits have their own.

[Pine]

Oh, boo. I didn't realize he'd given away their respawn rate.

Truth: I am allowed to stockpile, but barring a couple of fruit I don't really want you to have (there's an Informed mechanic in the list that will probably bite me a lot harder than I'd like), I see no reason to stockpile.

Truth: I am in fact allowed to distribute any unrequested fruit as I please at day end

[Pine]

There we go I'll believe that

These mechanics are way more complete now

Dude, just check the scum PT for an unredacted list of fruit and their effects.

[Pine]

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

Hey! You got one of those exactly correct! Nice!

[Pine]

EBWOP: Except the fruit names. None of the fruit have names.

[Pine]

Skygazer
MariaR
Gamma Emerald
Firebringer
Chickadee
xofelf
chennisden
Dannflor
PenguinPower
Formerfish
Menalque
Pink Ball
Untrod Tripod
Katsuki
GreyICE
Lady Lambdadelta
Krazy
popsofctown
DrippingGoofball
Ankamius
jjh
Aristophanes

It's a bit early for a readlist

[Pine]

Hey! You got one of those exactly correct! Nice!

This is a lie. None of these are exactly correct, because, as Pine noted in the next post, none of the fruit are named after actual fruit.

Awwww, c'mon, Dad, I wasn't

lying,

I just wasn't

correct

. There's got to be intent to make it a lie.

[Pine]

Hey Pine you wanna tell me who your scumteam is
If you’re honest I’ll give you a treat :3

Ooooh! I love treats!

DrippingGoofball
Lady Lambdadelta
chennisden
ankamius
xofelf
Pink Ball

@Pine: Please state to the full extent, 100% word for word with no omissions, every detail as to what the fruit do as listed in the role PM, including but not limited to the powers they confer, the effects they cause, and the negative to town (or positive to scum) aspects of said fruit.

Dude, just check the PT.

Also Pine
Do you want to tell us how the draft went down?

Jingle sniped two people I

really

wanted, but my first pick was also going to be one of his first picks, so I call it a draw. I more or less got the composition I wanted. We're pretty sure we've narrowed down your Mason picks to ~5 candidates

VOTE: FB
Obvscum.

Also, Pine, you're going down for not picking me, ya goddamned bastard! XD

VOTE: the worst

Self-voting when you're not scum is usually considered poor form at best and gamethrowing at worst.

Reported.

[Pine]

Also Pine I was more interested in how the draft worked not how it turned out
Like was it the same as last game or?

It was not the same as last time, sorry!

Hi my name is chennisden, though you can call me obvtown.

NOT cool pine. This TIME you've really fucking done it. Calling me out as part of your scumteam TO discredit me is such a low move. I just want to take a BUS out of this town and leave, but I can't do that YET.

Lynch this motherfucker TODAY

[Pine]

Okay, kids, time to simmer down.

You know that "two pages per RL day" limit we talked about? Some of us have squandered a significant portion of our allotment already, and the game's less than six hours old. I'm going to go write some pleasant notes to my friends (and taunting condemnations to my enemies) and check in once more before bed.

Remember, it's always better to respond to a bunch of stuff in a long, contentful post than to spew out trite, brief notes. Multiquote, not multipost.

My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.

Oh! Please do! I love it when people do my job for me!

(See? Even when you get ninjaed it's reasonable to include a response to save space and go easy on the xofelfs of the world.)

[Pine]

Im thinking scum need to get away with asking for fruit.

I thought about that. But Pine also has incentive to give town fruit to make people question why Pine would pick them. There's risk involved for both parties. Asking for fruit doesn't make anyone scum.

Scummadee would say this

[Pine]

I'm not reading 9 pages, unless someone tells me something very interesting happened. I read page 1 and most of page 2. This will have to suffice.

Oh let's get some common sense down before someone disregards it:

The fruit shit is a scum ability. Pine can choose whether or not to do it. Pine gets some benefit out of handing out fruits. In terms of balance, taking the fruit should work out as anti-town. Don't request the fruit.

I actually think that a good amount of us, if not all, should ask for fruit. I think it will be interesting to see who Pine gives fruit to. It does create some wifom, but it could be useful.

bargain: fruit

Pine, hit me up. You might be evil, but you're still a fox.

I like dragonfruit.

I gotchu bae

Pine its nothing personal but im putting flipped scum on ignore

Sure, you do that. See how it works out

This is a silly limit btw. You're expecting people to post twice a real life day on average and be done

Pretty sure he means you should only make 2 pages of posts (50 posts by default) a day. You're fine currently.

Yup.

Honestly, though, what need have you for fifty posts? Ten should be more than enough if you're being respectful of the other players in the game.

VOTE: FIREBRINGER

Why did you choose me with your #1 pick btw Pine?

According to my dossier, you are solitary, highly skilled, enigmatic, and opaque to read. You're a bulldog, tenacious, and you have the audacity to pull off (frankly) epic gambits.

Ugh I actually read his ISO and there was asking for fruit and shit. What is fruit. Why is he asking for it.

I'm going to figure this out tomorrow.

Just read the PT

I'm not actually in the "Nobody should ask for fruit" camp ftr, I just wanted more info from Pine

I think Alisae should decide who bargains for fruit and keep the numbers of people asking for fruit to a minimum, so that Pine does not have much choice in who to give fruit to.

I also think that blindly rushing into the mechanic is extremely foolish, and the course of action scum would encourage.

I have every choice over who I give fruits to. This mechanic was designed to be resistant to leashing and punishing to attempts to ignore it. I hold nearly all the cards with regards to this mechanic. You can either patronize my fruit vending or let me distribute them as I desire.

I've given all the information I ever intend to, other than the power granted by the fruit on offer.

Why you trying to control others bruh?

bargain: lemon

bargain: fruit

idk which one of these I'm meant to be posting

Again, no fruit has yet been offered.

[Pine]

Not sure with how willing people are on fire when it comes to that but like also
I really think Pine’s dreamteam is
Firebringer, Gamma Emerald, jjh, the worst, Katsuki, and GreyICE
And if thats the fucking team I am going to shit bricks dude

Damn. Ali got half of you. This may be more difficult than expected.

Fruit is a game mechanic, read the OP

Oh, Pine hands them out for WIFOM purposes. Gee. So Katsuki was goodvoting I see.

Pull back the wide-eyed innocence, it's awkward on you

[Pine]

Hey LLD, want a fruit? I’ll give you first dibs.

[Pine]

BTW debated on whether or not to actually claim this, but ehhhhh, fuckit, I'll take the risk.
I'm a bulletproof vigilante with a "masonry" (read: neighborhood) with Pine.
Decided to claim because neighbor with confscum, Vig I won't use, and Pine probably already guessed the bp part, so.

I fucking love you. It's always beautiful watching you detonate.

what reason does scumstina have to claim it

This one right here!

[Pine]

Pine can either go for who Ali suggests or choke on the stockpile of fruit he can't give out

I’d love for you to adopt this strategy, thanks!

[Pine]

Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

[Pine]

Yes and that is why you have been giving us information to try to indicate that we can't leash this mechanic

Truth: this mechanic is designed to resist leashing

oh I’m sure I can outplay you

Challenge accepted.

Oh, and you’re fortunate, my early game is trash too. Your retainers have gotten me to admit way more than I planned to.

...Or did they? Have I given away too much? Or just enough?

Bring your A game alisae. I don't like ur C game. Or is this D game?

d game sounds too much like dick game.

I’m going to pass on Ali’s D game, thanks.

I’d much rather e bring eir A game. More humiliating when e loses.

[Pine]

And with that, it’s time for the first fruit to be offered!

The first available fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Neighborizer ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received. It will open a PT between the user and a target of their choice, which will be active for the rest of the game.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

[Pine]

You may bargain with me now. If I understand Jingle correctly, the syntax is

Bargain: Neighborizer

. I will then either grant you the fruit, require a service, or impose a condition. If the fruit is not immediately granted, you may choose to accept my bargain, make a counter-offer, or reject it entirely.

I will ALWAYS bargain in good faith.

[Pine]

can I have fruit?

No, fuck off

[Pine]

can i bargain for it so it goes to someone else besides myself without their acceptance? Like what if i want worstie to have that fruit.
Can i bargain you for it and he takes it without his permission?

That’s a mod question, but I don’t think it’s intended that way. I’ll PM him.

I also just checked my list, the Neighborhood fruit does not specify whether daytalk would be active. I’ll request clarification.

[Pine]

bargain: neighborize

Lets talk.

I will give you the Neighborizer fruit if you vote for Firebringer and do not move your vote for one full week. The fruit will be granted to you either at the end of that week or in twilight, whichever comes first.

[Pine]

Of course it is. I’m a reasonable tree.

Please note that the bargain has not been completed until one of those two conditions occur. I will consider it a contract broken if you violate the terms.

[Pine]

But you didn’t.

[Pine]

this is my bargian for you when you actually have something good to give.

"I Firebringer the first of his name, do offer you a humble tree Pine. That I shall take one less vote to be lynched for the remainder of this game day in accordance with the rules applicable by the Jingle administration on exchange of X fruit. With no additional recourse upon acceptance of this offer.

Signed,
Firebringer"

I’ll get back to you on that.

[Pine]

Chickadee take the fruit

Why?

It minimizes Pine's agency.

Pine is the bad guy.

That's confirmed to you in the thread.

This works even in your straightforward "being town and getting something good is enough for me" worldview

take away choices from the bad man

Yes

Please minimize my agency, limit me to only the bespoke choice I crafted specifically to offer you...

Can I like actually win a scumgame before I get upgraded to paranoia scum tier

Guns and Roses 2 was a 1 mislynch game, it can't count.

Trust me, playing in the paranoia scum tier is REALLY annoying...to the point where you have to set up highly-specialized games like this to have a decent scum game.

Can I like actually win a scumgame before I get upgraded to paranoia scum tier

Guns and Roses 2 was a 1 mislynch game, it can't count.

ur upgraded to paranoia tier because regardless you seem to play really well
ur still great to play with

Which is why Ali and I were tripping over one another to invite you, and why you were drafted in the first two rounds this game.

anyways I'm going to leave the thread for a while again to avoid hyperposting unless I'm specifically needed for anything

I have a reads list but I'm avoiding posting it until I see something that I'm waiting for

and to have more reads since I don't have reads on half the playerilst atm

Right now, Firebringer is the only really problematic hyperposter. Ali and I are posting a lot, but not to the point where we feel the need to comment on everything.

Chickadee take the fruit

Why?

It minimizes Pine's agency.

Pine is the bad guy.

That's confirmed to you in the thread.

This works even in your straightforward "being town and getting something good is enough for me" worldview

take away choices from the bad man

VOTE: Firebring

Ok Pine, deal.

And so our bargain is sealed.

bargain: neighbourizer

Pine, if this hasn’t happened yet (as technically chicka hasn’t met their side of the bargain) can I get in on it instead?

Too late, friend. I kind of want scum to get the second fruit, but am willing to bargain. We'll talk in our PT.

I'll probably announce the second fruit in a day or three.

[Pine]

Spoiler: Firebringer townslip

I edited these to post in here:

The fruit are- 7 of them

Watermelon - This fruit makes the user bulletproof for a night but also makes it so they take one less vote to lynch (they aren't informed of this)
Red Apple - This fruit allows a player to use a one shot tracker at night. The downside is that scum will know who you visited. (aren't informed of this)
Banana - This fruit gives user double voting power when eaten. It also tells scum what role they are when eaten. (arent informed of this)
Grapes - This fruit is the informed mechanic. It basically informs the player to what roles aren't present in the game. Pine doesn't want this released to give them freedom in fake claiming
Black Apple - This fruit allows a player to give it to another and kill that player. Pine will probably use this for someone he knows will misfire.
Lime - Tastes bad. Fruit gives you ability to multitask.

This post is a townslip for Firebringer.

Both town Firebringer and scum Firebringer would create this list in an effort to look scummy. That is the way Firebringer plays mafia or something. I don't know.

But only townFirebringer would produce this list, because scumFirebringer would have consulted the scum PT. Would he have faked them or listed them totally inaccurately? I don't know. There is really no telling. His thought processes are literally made of magma.
But whether the list was genuine or fake, they'd be produced conscious of what was in the scum PT. He'd either make all of their flavor correct, or make none of the flavor correct. That's not my assumption based on me expecting scum!Firebringer to go through dramatic machinations to fool us, just what I think would be more cognitively convenient.

But this list is partially aligned with the likely images in the scum PT rather than fully disjoint or fully aligned. Yoshi's Story images would have been the easiest to obtain (we have one already), and it includes a Red Apple, Banana, Watermelon, and Grapes. I checked more carefully for Black Apple, but there's no Black Apples or Limes out there in any of the source games.

Particularly clinching is that Firebringer used the terms "Banana" and "Grapes". The sprite for bananas in Yoshi's Story depicts a bunch of three bananas, rather than just one. And "Grapes" shows he was not just blindly singularizing all of the items. He would have been more likely to say "Bananas"

At the end of the list, he has run out of creativity and used "apple" again, choosing a recolor. It's doubtful Jingle had to resort to any recolors, which would only be applicable for some of the berries in Paper Mario, so recolored fruit wouldn't be on his mind after looking in the PT. It's also doubtful that -even if- Firebringer decided "I'm going to make a list of seven fruits but I'll make some up and some will be real", that he would run out of ideas and need to resort to a recolor. He would have a five fruit head start because at least five of these were really visible in the PT. It is much more difficult if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents than it is if I give you seven minutes to name seven Presidents other than Abraham Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Thomas Jefferson, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

This is probably my strongest townread in the game right now, I have a couple others. Firebringer has also been behaving protown in a couple other ways.

I disagree with this

Me too

[Pine]

I have notes from Pine's previous draft and a really good idea of his thought process behind the draft
Fire is scum

Saving this for later...

what exactly was peoples expectations for this 27 player game exactly? Like I mean really....

how is this long?

The 27 player game is not a good argument since it's only two players hyperposting, with one of them being an IC. Just sayin', not complainin', I don't mind the pace of the game, and I like Ali and you Fire daddy.

More than half the playerbase has <10 posts. Alisae and Firebringer have ~40% of the thread between them.

[Pine]

Hey

Fuckwits

Seriously stop doing that

It is in fact actually quite rude

Do you see how it’s possible to string multiple sentences and thoughts in the same post?

This isn’t a joke

[Pine]

I am high

Judging by your reads so far, I believe it.

[Pine]

How am I doing so far, Pine?

You’re going great, keep throwing out nonsense reads and we’ll bail you out when we need to. Just remember to turn on Fire at day end, he’s our distraction to get through D1

pine should i obfuscate my reads to help you?

I thought we weren’t speaking, Chenn? Why don’t we go back to that, I like you more when you’re annoying other people.

[Pine]

LOL PINE THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS!

WDYM THOUGH THAT I'M TOO UNCONTROLLABLE THO
DID YOU FORGET ABOUT HOW I SINGLEHANDEDLY SALVAGED YOUR SCUMTEAM LAST TIME I PLAYED CAMN'S REVENGE WITH YOU???



p-edit: Mine was him complimenting my scumplay then saying he didn't take me because I'm too uncontrollable+unpredictable for him along with the delight he'll have hanging me lol

Ari and I saved that game. You were a handy, ablative distraction.

[Pine]

LOL PINE THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS!

WDYM THOUGH THAT I'M TOO UNCONTROLLABLE THO
DID YOU FORGET ABOUT HOW I SINGLEHANDEDLY SALVAGED YOUR SCUMTEAM LAST TIME I PLAYED CAMN'S REVENGE WITH YOU???



p-edit: Mine was him complimenting my scumplay then saying he didn't take me because I'm too uncontrollable+unpredictable for him along with the delight he'll have hanging me lol

Ari and I saved that game. You were a handy, ablative distraction.

Oh sorry, you were referring to the first Revenge game, in which

SirCakez

and I saved the game, and you were ablative distraction who almost managed to not get lynched on D2.

[Pine]

I got a love letter from Pine. ahhhhhhh

Shhhhh

[Pine]

Oh hey, we can “endorse” candidates?

VOTE: Firebringer

[Pine]

So it stops being special, everyone got their own personal taunt (or dark contract) and all of them were signed identically.

[Pine]

So it stops being special, everyone got their own personal taunt (or dark contract) and all of them were signed identically.

I, for one, thought my taunt and/or contract was very special <3

Okay, I misspoke.

The fact that you GOT a message was not unique. Each and every message, however, was a bespoke expression of respect, affection, admiration, and/or feigned disdain. I spent a few hours hand-crafting them and tailoring to each of you because, let’s not forget, this is an invitational and you made the cut because Ali and I enjoy your existence. As e’s the only one whose alignment is public knowledge, here’s the note I sent Ali:

An arrow flies out of the trees with a note attached!

Abominable fiend,

How dare you trespass in my holy forest? Your retainers are doomed to be led astray my my minions, wandering beneath my boughs until they perish, cursing your name as they shake their malnourished fists at the heavens. Their bodies shall be given to the rats and weasels, and their bones will nourish my seedlings. With the incursion crushed, I shall direct my loyal trees to expand the forest to surround your puny castle, and grow their roots into its very foundation. In time, the stone will be pulverized by the immortal might of the forest, and your dominion will crumble into the detritus of time.

So speaks Eldest Pine, Lord of the Forest, Master of the Tree Sovereignty

Good luck!

[Pine]

All notes will be revealed post-game. I’m rather proud of them

[Pine]

thats not my msg wtf??????????

...Unless Jingle altered it, yes it was.

[Pine]

For the record, I sent all scum fake taunts, the bile I’d have sent them had I been denied their servitude.

Methinks the Growlithe doth protest too much

VOTE: Woofbringer

[Pine]

Fun fact: at the time of the beep, all but one of my minions has more posts in the scum PT than in the main thread.

Beeeeeeeep

[Pine]

Fun fact: at the time of the beep, all but one of my minions has more posts in the scum PT than in the main thread.

Beeeeeeeep

did u just out that i am not scum :O

All but one

...spammy fucker

[Pine]

All votes are srs, Pengu

[Pine]

not a doctor, shh

Fremulon!

Ari I miss you. At least I have PB now...

Hey im a survivor now! Is that what I get for going over 10k in posts? Who do i have to double dutch rudder to get a fucking nickname up in this piece?

pedit- no one should ever use a marathon game as a reason to ever read anyone ever. not even in other marathon games.

Survivor? That’s a third party role and this is confirmed singleball. Lynch this immediately!

I'm going to leave the thread for a while again

I'll probably go more into other reads when I come back and go analysis mode again now that >20 pages has popped up since the last time but no guarantees

sorry for quadra, my brain doesn't really work in a way that makes condensing all these posts into one very feasible all the time

I find it rich that Ank is cranky about game length when she has the most posts after Ali and Fire

Pst
Hey
Want my opinion?

Yes! Your opinions thus far have been great! I’m going to nominate you for scum MVP postgame

Pine didn’t even give Mena a response
You’d think that if Mena was scum, he would atleast get a response from Pine.

You would think that, wouldn’t you?

[Pine]

Pine is actually my secret lover mason

[Pine]

Pine is actually my secret lover mason

[Pine]

ringfinger sheeping GreyICE onto an LLD wagon seems like the least informative lynch I'd have ever seen, I will double down on the slot being scummy and still not ideal compared to an equally scummy (or even slightly less scummy) slot

Dead scum is plenty informative. It informs me I'm closer to winning.

[Pine]

You fucking morons I've been playing differently this game because Alisae SPECIFICALLY ASKED for us to play a certain way not to make things shitty.

I'm so feuas;shdfa'f'sa'j

LIKE OF COURSE I SOUND FAKE, I'VE BEEN LITERALLY CONTROLLING MY POSTS SO NOT TO BREAK THE FUCKING REQUEST WE WERE ASKED.

WOULD YOU PREFER I TELL ALISAE WHO LITERALLY ONE GAME AGO WE PLAYED ALMOST BROKE DOWN BECAUSE I YELLED AT HER, TO GO FUCK HERSELF AND I'M LYNCHING XOF ANYWAY?

I'VE BEEN DOING NOTHING BUT WHAT I LITERALLY ALWAYS DO AS TOWN, HUNT AND PUSH, MUTED AND WATERED DOWN BECAUSE ALISAE ASKED FOR IT.

YOU'RE ALL PIECES OF SHIT FOR TAKING THAT AND USING IT AGAINST ME.

ALISAE DOES IT BY LITERALLY DOING WHAT SHE ASKS US NOT TO DO IN ABSENCE OF US DOING IT.

AND NOW Y'ALL ARE LIKE "OH LLD SOUNDS FAKE" LIKE BITCH MY HUSBAND DIDN'T SOUND LIKE HIMSELF EITHER BUT NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT ME. YOU WANNA KNOW ABOUT ME, LET'S PLAY A GAME

WHICH OF YOU MORONS NEEDS A FUCKING HISTORY LESSON

I HAVE NEVER BEEN DRAFTED BY SCUM INTO A SCUM TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF EVER.

NO SCUM WILL EVER DRAFT ME IN A GAME LIKE THIS BECAUSE I ALWAYS DRAW EYES.

DEATHWORLDERS MAFIA: NOT DRAFTED
FIRST PINE GAME: NOT DRAFTED

LIKE

I LITERALLY GOT TAUNTED BY PINE FOR FUCKING BEING UNDRAFTABLE BECAUSE NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE ME FUCKING SERIOUSLY AND IGNORED IT BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE STUPID FOR EVEN DISCUSSING PINE, BUT APPARENTLY HE'S FUCKING PSYCHIC BECAUSE I'M LITERALLY SAT HERE WITH TWO SCUM UNDER MY BOOT, DOING ACTUAL LITERAL SCUMMY THINGS UNDER MY WATCH, AND Y'ALL LIKE.

"OH YEAH THAT SILLY GIRL SHE'S NOT YELLING MUST BE FAKE"

FUCK YOU ALL.

[Pine]

Hey

LLD, Katsuki, GreyICE, Firebringer, and anyone else getting riled up

I enjoy your rage

But please de-escalate. Go to your separate corners for now

Toxicity is not welcome here

[Pine]

That said, I may just draft all of you next time. For the funsies.

[Pine]

Lexi = LLD
Keith = GreyICE

They are married. Context, dude

[Pine]

Mastina was lying

Obviously

[Pine]

I don't think mastina and LLD can both be town and bulletproof. That seems like a 1v1.

Mastin claimed bulletproof vig?

?!!

I thought she just claimed vig

To be fair, she claimed bp vig in a neighborhood with Pine.

And was never going to shoot.

And that she was a Mason, iirc

[Pine]

I like you

[Pine]

Chick wont be able to use the neighbor until night 2.

Nah she can use it N1. In fact, only N1

[Pine]

This shot must be used the night after it is received.

I think the phrase night after made me think that it was recieved in the night.

So Chick will have the fruit given to her during the day?

I’ll give it to her either when our bargain is complete or during post-lynch twilight

[Pine]

Vigging LLD and having a real lynch today is indeed better EV than mislynching her, and I think it's a mislynch

If LLD is a mislynch then what wagon was she the counter to?

This is some sort of logical fallacy. Too lazy to identify it. False tautology maybe?

[Pine]

What does that tell us? That LLD isn't ascetic?

Which is an important distinction - scum ascetic might claim Commuter to explain non-kill shots failing while discouraging kill attempts

[Pine]

Yeah.

You're thinking too hard about it

“Thinking too hard about it” is practically the dictionary definition associated with this game

[Pine]

Hey

LLD

Take the night

Take some time to yourself

Recover

I’m interested in winning, but not at the expense of anyone’s self-worth or anything

We’ll be here tomorrow

[Pine]

There is no traitor

Mastina is not a BP vig

:eye roll:

[Pine]

I suggest we take the next day or so and declare detente. There are a lot of people pretty tilted right now, and close to not being friends anymore.

Everyone get some self-care in, give the stragglers a chance to catch up. Hug a parent, spouse, child, or friend who loves you. If none are handy, I’ll send you a virtual hug. 24 hours from nowish I’ll announce the next fruit, and we can go from there.

[Pine]

[Pine]

But...my Bitmoji is like...spot on

[Pine]

It's like if Ron Weasley turned into Flanders.

[Pine]

This is why I sign up to be the villain once a year

[Pine]

Look I may be out to mercilessly crush Ali and eir team, but I’m not a monster

[Pine]

Okay...I’m a monster, but not a Monster

Little m

[Pine]

I’ve always liked that avatar, Ali

I wish Lady Pine would play Mafia with me. She’d be good as a Town investigator, incisive and perceptive. She’d be atrocious at scum though. Like Creature 2017 levels of obvious alignment

[Pine]

Honestly, I couldn’t find many names on this playerlist who weren’t disqualified by one factor or another. It was too broad.

[Pine]

Hot damn, Ali beat the pants off of me in quality of message, if my two letters are anything to go by.

[Pine]

Hot damn, Ali beat the pants off of me in quality of message, if my two letters are anything to go by.

I appreciated yours as well, but for a different reason.

Well, mine were in-character taunts, Ali just wrote me really nice letters.

[Pine]

Untrod Tripod has requested replacement.

God fucking dammit

Yeah, right?

Maybe we can badger Reck to replace him.

[Pine]

Untrod Tripod has requested replacement.

God fucking dammit

Yeah, right?

Maybe we can badger Reck to replace him.

@Jingle

[Pine]

I'm sorry but I'm not in the market of voting people because I'm afraid of losing to their scum game

Dude, this is where I’ve been at since I came back in June. I keep getting paranoia-lynched unless I’m nigh-confirmed Town

[Pine]

BUT THE TREES ALWAYS WIN

It’s fun for me!

Skysky

[Pine]

Gamma, Chickadee’s getting the Neighborizer fruit, but Ali and I are never valid night action targets

[Pine]

Because Dann’s her scumbuddy obv

Are we really not lynching Firebringer? I was so enthused for that

[Pine]

Ugggh guys what the fuck

I have a nice evening with the wife and you put up 24 pages in 14 hours? I can’t get through that before work, even with this being the only game taking my attention

PLEASE be considerate and stop with the posting diarrhea

[Pine]

I suggest we take the next day or so and declare detente. There are a lot of people pretty tilted right now, and close to not being friends anymore.

Everyone get some self-care in, give the stragglers a chance to catch up. Hug a parent, spouse, child, or friend who loves you. If none are handy, I’ll send you a virtual hug.

24 hours from nowish I’ll announce the next fruit

, and we can go from there.

Shut up I’m getting to it. Stupid tree...

It’s time for the second fruit to be offered!

The second available fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Watcher ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received. If anyone performs a night action on the target of your choice, you will see them.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

You may begin bargaining now...

...while I struggle to catch up...

[Pine]

bargain: Watcher

Pine you should give it to me, Ali thinks I'm scum

Make me an offer.

[Pine]

@Reck Ali drafted two Masons while I drafted six scum. Jingle assigned Town roles, I assigned scum roles

All the details are in the scum PT, post 23 I think

[Pine]

Nah that expired

Fuckin gut em, LLD

Righteous anger

Want a fruit? Not feeling PB. He’s not making me an offer

PE: Now that just makes me feel bad

Ali, just admit you lied about requesting no commuters and we can de-escalate

[Pine]

Pine, laundry for a week. What else you want

Nah, pass

[Pine]

I think Ali is an inherently kind person but who maybe doesn't always measure the impact of eir actions on other people accurately.

Please don't browbeat er when e's actually self corrected, as e often does.


Hugs, Ali

Echo this word for word

At least I can confidently cross LLD off the Mason hunt list!

[Pine]

Yes, I have an actual, physical list. I like lists. Crossing items (or people) off is deeply satisfying

I’m 95% sure I’ve identified one Mason and the other is down to a shortlist of three

[Pine]

@Pine or @Jingle

does Pink Ball's request constitute one request for the fruit such that Pine can't distribute the fruit secretly now?

I choose not to answer, and I don’t think those rules are public

[Pine]

I’ll give the Watcher fruit to whoever hammers LLD

[Pine]

Thanks Pine.

Signed sealed delivered yeah?

Might as well get some use out of you! <3

[Pine]

PINE YOU EVIL SON OF A BITCH

That IS the notion of the game.

Technically you have to officially open bargaining, but just do it in the hammering vote and I think you’re good

[Pine]

I’ll give the Watcher fruit to whoever hammers LLD

A LIE!

Pine cannot complete his end of the bargain if whoever hammers LLD doesn't post

Bargain: Watcher

.

If anyone performs a night action on the target of your choice, you will see them.

A LIE!

Anyone affected by the ninja modifier will not be reported to the player using the fruit. Additionally, no information will be given to the person using the fruit if they are roleblocked via some means. Honestly, I thought this went without saying.

What is there to stop Pine from telling lies aside from the Jingle detector?

He agreed not to and I trust him to honor that agreement to the best of his ability, because for an evil murderous tree monster, he's a pretty alright guy.

Ah, but neither of those was a lie about fruit effects. The first is about the process of distribution, the second is an omission (and obvious). It would only be a lie if I suggested it was immune to standard foiling methods. The Watcher version of Strongman or whatever.

I feel like you just enjoy called by me a liar.

And thanks! You might be an insipid, motley-clad Jester, but you’re pretty swell.

[Pine]

Ah, but neither of those was a lie about fruit effects. The first is about the process of distribution, the second is an omission (and obvious). It would only be a lie if I suggested it was immune to standard foiling methods. The Watcher version of Strongman or whatever.

That was a very coy way to avoid saying Ninja, Pine

As you well know, there is no Mafia Ninja

[Pine]

In truth, I was giving basic details about the fruit as a courtesy, you’re the psycho who was looking for fey word twists.

All I was obligated to say was “Watcher shot fruit available.” Everything else is extra.

Truth: the Watcher shot works exactly as it would in any typical game, subject to the same benefits and caveats. There is nothing added or subtracted from this fruit’s Watcher functionality.

[Pine]

Both. I may not lie, except by omission.

Why is this so hard to fucking understand. Everything I say about fruit powers is as close to the perfect truth as I can make it, and if I unintentionally make an error, either I will correct it (as I did for the only actual error) or Jingle will.

[Pine]

@Jingle: Can you clarify something?

Pine will not lie about the abilities of his gifts or their mechanics. He may omit information.

To what does "their" refer to here? Is it the mechanics of the abilities of his gifts, or is it the mechanics of the gifts themselves?

Above in reference to this. Stupid pagetop.

[Pine]

Solid list, Kats

[Pine]

@Pine: Do you have a Vig fruit available for me?

Vigilante fruits are one possible thing I can grow, but none are ripe right now.

Who do you want to shoot?

[Pine]

Sure but we'll win this one

Hey, isn’t this a scumslip? How do you know Menalque is Town?

[Pine]

@Pine: Do you have a Vig fruit available for me?

Vigilante fruits are one possible thing I can grow, but none are ripe right now.

Who do you want to shoot?

Whoever you want me to shoot.

Jingle?

[Pine]

Gotcha, so you fake claim a PRes and we all just act like nothing is going on. This is like indulging peoples crazy ideas like they are the most normal things in the world.

If you dont want to dance, just decline, dont act like you dont get what im saying.

What ARE you saying?

[Pine]

^Never lynch this

[Pine]

Yeaaaaah

I can 100% confirm Alisae is lying about the Commuter thing

I mean, think about it. Either LLD is Town and telling the truth, or LLD was scum and would have found some way to weasel out of a lie by now (or at least tried)

This makes me uncomfortable. On one hand, I love the notion of sweeping a big threat like LLD off the board, but I really disapprove of Ali’s dishonorable play here.

The only thing I can think of is that this is all a massive reaction test concocted in their Mason PT, and they’re gathering data for the inevitable L-1 Mason claim

[Pine]

Is there an inside joke thing that makes the "grandson" shit not harassment or something else I'm missing

Yes, there’s an inside joke, yes you’re missing something

[Pine]

Ali recently reminded me that I used call em Alice and pretend e was my daughter

I mean...what’s my relationship to Fire, then...?

[Pine]

Darth Cocksucker, is that you?

Jesus H Christ this is so much better a response than I was writing. I straight deleted it when you ninjaed

[Pine]

Yessss

Vote Chenn

I reeeeally want to ML him

[Pine]

I was asked to submit a list of three people pregame, and if I lynch them I get extra powers. Chennisden was number 2

[Pine]

You can apologize better than that

[Pine]

Is he mechanically incentivized to give the power to town? Like is he restricted from exclusively giving it to scum? Or can he simply refuse to give out fruit altogether?

There are both mechanical and incentive-based rules encouraging me to give fruit to Town

Strictly speaking, I COULD give fruit just to scum, but I see little point in jumping through those hoops

[Pine]

oh looks like I was hammer

neat I stopped scum from getting it

I bargain in good faith, but not in idiocy. The conditions of the bargain were not fulfilled, so I regard myself freed from their constraints. When I get home from work, I will consider which applicant to grant the Watcher power to, if any, and whether I will require a service of them in exchange.

Similarly, my faith is true when my conditions are met. Chickadee, I award you a Neighborizer fruit. You must use it before the next Day Phase begins.

[Pine]

Hint: Town

[Pine]

Hint: Town

Scumbag says swhat?

...what?

[Pine]

Pine you don't deserve to ask me for any additional goods or services when I met the exact terms of your bargain.

But since I'm really nice.

If you want I will change my avatar to Scholarship Student Isis in exchange for the fruit.

You are quite correct! I was responding to the assumption that Ankamius made that she hammered. As Jingle has certified that an eligible party kept her end of the deal, I will honor the original terms of the bargain.

Pops, the Watcher fruit is yours. Use it wisely.

[Pine]

is he bound to the terms?

I thought he was just bound to telling the truth about the fruit

I am bound to no bargaining terms or rules but the ones I set for myself. I consider it dishonorable to alter bargains post hoc when the other party met my terms.

In this case, I thought that the terms had been rendered void. When the official count came in, however, I was mistaken.

I am evil, but I am Lawful Evil.

[Pine]

Arboreal doom incarnate I may be, but my word is my bond...

...with regards to fruit.

[Pine]

PINE
You NK’d Nacho
When we were ALL excited to play with him
Before he could even post

You ARE evil.

Curious. We didn’t, actually. There’s a Vig out there with shit aim.

We no-killed to fuck with you.

[Pine]

Hey Pine are you willing to bargain shit that isn't fruit?

Like, answers to questions

Sure! Nothing in the rules that says I can’t. What do you want to know?

[Pine]

Truth: Fruit has nothing to do with my wincon. My wincon is strictly the standard “outnumber Town” scum wincon.

[Pine]

Do people who eat fruit get a macho modifier because an apple a day keeps the doctor away?

Shit that would have been clever

[Pine]

As a preliminary offer for the question answer, I am willing to respond to the worst's query with an infographic

Waiting on the promised infographic

[Pine]

Ooooh! Me!

[Pine]

A peek inside the scum Discord channel:

[Pine]

Katsuki is art, in motion

Sometimes. Other times, he’s art standing still, so frozen by inherent confirmation biases and the view from inside his own ass that he LOOKS like he’s moving, but he’s actually stuck in 2012 or so.

[Pine]

I can't shake the feeling that Pops watcher of Maria was designed to catch town power roles more than it was to catch scum.

How dare you make a trenchant observation!

[Pine]

Shitfuck, Menalque, you nailed 80% of the scumteam just now. It’s almost like you know who your buddies are!

[Pine]

Also, I think Ank hid behind Nacho, and died when we offed him. No Weak mod shenanigans, just an ordinary Hider death

Nothing to see here, move along

[Pine]

I used my insider connections with dead scum to bring you this shocking revelation:

Spoiler: What Pine says the scum QT looks like

Spoiler: What the real scum QT actually looks like

GI admitted to out of game contact

modkill now plz

I miss Andrius

And competent Townies

[Pine]

I was about to give you wild approval for the infographic, but then I realized you depicted me with a deciduous tree

I AM OFFENDED

[Pine]

VOTE: Ari

I can't forget the blatant shilling for scum. Do i need to find how many times he signed posts professing LLD's innocence? His transgressions against the kingdom and our benevolent queen shall not be brushed aside. Ari can choose his death, but he shall perish.

Scummy vote

Naked opportunism

[Pine]

VOTE: Ari

I can't forget the blatant shilling for scum. Do i need to find how many times he signed posts professing LLD's innocence? His transgressions against the kingdom and our benevolent queen shall not be brushed aside. Ari can choose his death, but he shall perish.

Scummy vote

Naked opportunism

Towny vote

Delightfully Pavlovian opposition

[Pine]

jjh you're like the closest thing mafiascum has to a rock star at the moment.

Uhhh

Justify this wild buddying?

[Pine]

Wait no, don’t go after FF...I was just WIFOMing you...

[Pine]

Hi titus

You're awesome

For Pine: this is buddying. Also, you killed Nacho, so now it's fucking personal

I didn’t, actually!

[Pine]

I directed the shot at a Mason, actually

[Pine]

Excuse me

No one approves my team’s kills but me

And frankly, a Nacho kill makes sense to me. Dude’s scary, even without his Kennedy avatar

[Pine]

Not even in the slightest. There hasn’t been a significant push on scum all day

[Pine]

That’s why I killed him

The legendary slot that did nothing...UT, Reck, and Nacho, all toast

[Pine]

Really?

Yes

Also I didn’t kill Nacho

I’m pissed that I don’t get to match wits against him. In the first game against camn, Nacho and Mastina dueled to the death, convinced that I never fail to pick one of the two of them

Joke’s on them. I didn’t.

[Pine]

Time for today’s first fruit!

This fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Roleblocker ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

~Deleted a floating tag. Jingle

[Pine]

Try it

You’ll like it

[Pine]

What happens to people who eat more than 1 fruit

They get the effects of multiple fruit

>>>I am not certain of the following statement<<<

However, if you’re referring to one person with multiple fruit, I’m pretty sure there’s a global non-multitasking rule in effect

[Pine]

Are there any conditionals or extra powers on the fruit?

Such as:
does not affect scum
Does not stop the scum night kill
the person taking the fruit dies
the target of the fruit dies
etc.?

I’m going to set a policy of not answering twenty questions-style attempts at figuring out precise effects.

Pick one of these and MAYBE I’ll answer it

[Pine]

What happens to people who eat more than 1 fruit

They get the effects of multiple fruit

>>>I am not certain of the following statement<<<

However, if you’re referring to one person with multiple fruit, I’m pretty sure there’s a global non-multitasking rule in effect

Multiple fruit at once*

[Pine]

Pine I mean do people explode when they eat two fruits or w/e

Nope

[Pine]

I directed the shot at a Mason, actually

For the last time,

Kill: A Mason

is not a valid nightkill submission.

Is there a Scummie for "Opposite of Modfather"?

[Pine]

I opt in

I endorse this and opt-in

It would take effort to keep it kind, though

[Pine]

pine are we still open to our previous offer for this fruit?

Sorry, what offer did you want to make?

[Pine]

I will put my life on that here in this game, that worst is scum.

Care to make a wager?

Like I'm not unaware that a lot of the stuff he's done looks really really really bad

but I just still don't think it actually indicates scum in this situation

I agree. I don't think he's actually trying to look good or trying to really like, do anything, if that makes sense. If he's being coached by Pine, Pine's clearly distracted by other things. He just looks sincere.

Am not

[Pine]

Honestly, if it looks like I’m distracted, it’s just because Town is imploding without any help, and I don’t want to fuck up your self-destructive groove

VOTE: DGB

[Pine]

Also a full-time job and parenting responsibilities or w/e

This thread feels due for a Pinecone pic

[Pine]

Gdi

[Pine]

You’re the one making the bet

[Pine]

You’re the one making the bet

And you're the one inserting yourself into other peoples conversations to postulate a bet based on someone being scum or not which is information you would have.

What if i told you that i could make sure to have him dead by the end of day tomorrow? I don't know if ill be able to get the support today, but i could totally build a case and make sure he didnt see the incoming nights moon.

What would that be worth to you?

Tsk

No balls

DGB, why the decision to self vote vs. replacing out?

Careful, you’re implying you know she’s Town. Oops, wrong thread

[Pine]

Only five more votes needed on DGB, kids!

[Pine]

“Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.” - Albert Einstein

The same goes for magical fruit.

[Pine]

Formerfish, how about this

If Duckie flips Town, I get to write your signature for a month

If he flips scum, you get one step closer to beating me

[Pine]

There’s no watermelon. Bargain: Roleblocker

[Pine]

[quote=“Site Rules]Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.[/quote]
The rule discusses outside influences - this is clearly internal. This is meant to ban things like throwing games to win external bets.

But sure, let’s get PP or Maria to weigh in.

[Pine]

Oh blah blah blah. I wasn’t serious about the bet until someone told me I couldn’t do it. It’s a moot point, Worstie flips scum here like 70% of the time. On a big team I always need someone I’m just plain tight with to keep me sane and act as morale officer. Duckie’s a good choice for that.

[Pine]

I'm just intrigued by Pine using statistics when he knows the answers

i feel like pine's attempts to buddy me have been far too tonally stiff to be believable but i also appreciate that from an outsider pov (i am spoiled on my alignment) it's probably a lot murkier.

Uhhh yeah. Who are you again? We’re not friends.

[Pine]

I'm just intrigued by Pine using statistics when he knows the answers

i feel like pine's attempts to buddy me have been far too tonally stiff to be believable but i also appreciate that from an outsider pov (i am spoiled on my alignment) it's probably a lot murkier.

after Vengeful Ghosts I refuse to read into Pine's posting in any shape or form

I legit don’t follow what you’re saying here

[Pine]

So this gamble shit has to be resolved before day end if fish is going to get the block right

Pine are you stalling or something or what?

I’ve decided to ignore what I feel are bad-faith bargaining attempts.

If no one wants the Roleblocker fruit I’ll just keep it. I’ll probably intro the other fruit after school (~2-3 hours)

I see that she also had doubts about you

because I wasn't sheeping her on her read of you...

in pfup I think we consistently TR each other from early D1 despite some late game paranoia in both directions

but Pine wasn't in that game? And you weren't scum? In what sense then did you "pocket" PB?

(1) was that all? I’ll go and check later. I thought it was your content in general.

(2) I don’t think pine not being in that means he wouldn’t prepare for this game by reading recent games. I don’t think you need to be scum to pocket someone

For the record, I almost never read games I wasn’t in. I find it incredibly boring. I rely on my own skill rather than situational meta.

The only preparation I did for this game, other than setup and invitational stuff, was draw up brief dossiers on all of you to help me draft. And when I say brief, all 24ish players who were in at the time fit on one sheet of legal pad paper with some room to spare

[Pine]

Hey pops

You want this fruit?

No charge if you say yes in your next post

~Red coloring added. Jingle

[Pine]

Bollocks, forgot the red coloring

[Pine]

Real life snippets from the document:

"Aristophanes - Nah

Xofelf - Nobody would ever expect this! Muahahaha

LLD - Every team needs a strong player who is unlikely to endgame. Hellz yes!"

That’s not far off. Not enough detail though

[Pine]

No I think Pine is saying we need to actually make offers with out bargains. I don't think he cares that Ali nominates.

Ari’s got it pretty much exactly.

I’m not saying I won’t deal with Ali’s nominees, but I refuse to play ball with attempts to leash me.

[Pine]

Who is in whose head now, Pine!

Oh damn you’re...nope, never mind, still me.

Accurate interpretation of a statement I’m making hardly counts as getting in one’s head.

[Pine]

Thus is our bargain sealed.

Pops takes the Roleblocker fruit.

~Fixed tags. Jingle

[Pine]

Omfg bbcode hates me lately

[Pine]

Pine what's your endgame here

Scum outnumber Town. That’s it.

There is explicitly no alternate wincon, nothing happens when a certain number of fruit are distributed, etc. Each has its own side effect. The full effects of both Day 1 fruits have already triggered.

Why screw with the central conceit of this game series. Dumb asses.

[Pine]

GUYS IT WORKED

dgb/ss/katsuki/menalque/mastina/firebringer

you're welcome

One too many there, Duckie.

Also, all of the above are Town.

[Pine]

The next available fruit will grant the consumer a 1-shot Jailkeeper ability.

This shot must be used the night after it is received.

This is the image associated with the fruit:

You may begin bargaining now...

[Pine]

Yo Pine, you're not allowed to directly lie about the fruit, but you can leave stuff out, right?

Are you allowed to say that you've told us everything about a particular piece of fruit?

I'm allowed to say whatever the fuck I want, as long as it's true.

I am not, however, obligated to do so, so you can sod off.

[Pine]

Why are you putting two roleblocking fruits in one go?

They grow randomly from a preset list.

[Pine]

Hey Pine if I just asked for the fruit would you give it to me?

Make me an offer.

[Pine]

Nah. Bargain denied, unless she comes up with something spicy.

I really would rather keep the fruit than give it away for a song.

PE: I love how hard you're working to push this leashing thing, jjh. You were worth every penny.

[Pine]

I wasn't gonna take it. I had a theory I needed to test.
Pine proved it correct

Oh?

[Pine]

I'd be willing to bet my reasons aren't what you think. Try me.

[Pine]

I'll still do it though

Bargain: Jailkeeper

VOTE: DGB

Bad faith

Denied

[Pine]

The fact your guys tr me makes me perk an eyebrow. I'm not someone you should be townreading early.

Bargain: JailKeeper

I won't offer anything. He can give it to me or not. His choice~

Pass, bad faith

[Pine]

I'm capricious.

[Pine]

Fwiw I will be extremely angry if someone comes in and uses this as an argument for why Pine can't be leashed

pine can't be leashed

Firebringer, want the fruit?

[Pine]

Fwiw I will be extremely angry if someone comes in and uses this as an argument for why Pine can't be leashed

pine can't be leashed

Firebringer, want the fruit?

does it taste like golden delicious

Dunno. I don't eat my own fruit. That's weird, bruh.

[Pine]

Pine you on?

Yeah, sup?

[Pine]

I wonder if I can still take Pines fruit.
idk, day is kind of over.

the fruit might have gone rotten.

Depends on how Jingle rules on whether bargaining is open or not.

If not, the Jailkeeper fruit just stays ripe and I get two new fruit added to it D3, and can offer any of the three I like.

[Pine]

I do kind of have free rein to just skim the boring bits

[Pine]

jay
Jay
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Sometimes its better to keep things to yourself

Is it though?

Not sure what you two are on about. I’ve been above board from the first that my bargaining is a matter of honor for me. I am constrained by no rules except those I impose on myself. That said, if I break faith, my deals lose credibility and therefore leverage. I am thus incentivized to keep my word.

[Pine]

RN it looks like Pine is gonna not give out the fruit

I feel like that can only be good

Lol yeah

Town having less power is brilliant for me, actually

[Pine]

Truth: There are hard constraints on how many fruit I can give to scum

Obviously I’d love to give more power to my minions. But I can’t give it all, so I’m effectively obligated to give fruit to Town if I want to benefit my minions

You think you’re beating me at my own game, but you’re just sending yourself to bed without supper

[Pine]

That's a VERY costly tool, if that's it

not really.

he can probably estimate what people will do with their fruit when they get them so he can wifom at the same time as eliminate risks by not giving fruit to people he think will use them the most effectively.

this stuff is really not complicated.

jjh u make me worried how u don't get this stuff. This seems like stuff you would get a handle on fast

Dial it back. FB’s onto us

[Pine]

Pine did you know I was gonna watch MariaR sleep

Technically, I still don’t know how you sent in your action, as you’re the one who PMed Jingle.

[Pine]

There’s a title in there somewhere

Something to do with Pandora’s Box