Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

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Hmmm under 30 pages is not what I expected but starting to read now

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VOTE: FB
Obvscum.

Also, Pine, you're going down for not picking me, ya goddamned bastard! XD

With a few votes already on FB, this feels weird. I also dislike calling Pine out directly 'for not picking him', it feels unnatural.

Hi my name is chennisden, though you can call me obvtown.

Pings me.

NOT cool pine. This TIME you've really fucking done it. Calling me out as part of your scumteam TO discredit me is such a low move. I just want to take a BUS out of this town and leave, but I can't do that YET.

My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.

ehhhhh going the lazy way from the get go? Now if you'd wanna policy the spammers in a game this size that would be funny, but the lurkers?

Chickadee sucm.

Innapropriate language

I like dragonfruit.

You called?

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Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1

i'll just wait until you get back to battle you

Lazy votes guys.

The FB wagon is weird (though fb is scummy), not sure why worst is being wagoned at all, and whoever is scumreading ank please stop

Hi Chennis. Please tell your buddies in the PT the dragon is coming for them.
1) Calls FB wagon weird.
2) Proceeds to call FB scummy

I think all the current wagons are bad.

But I don't have a better suggestion at the moment.


I like FB, Dann, and MariaR for town.

I'm not even sure this qualifies as fencesitting but I don't like it. Is filler with empty statement about wagons and seemingly random town reads?

Maria you dont sound like your town self.

But I agree with a lot of the points you're making. Who cares if it's RVS, you're accountable for your fucking votes

Also "dont try to read me until d2" isn't great

Ehhhh again the same.
1)'Maria you don't sound like your town self'.
2) 'I agree with a lot of what you are saying'.

Plz keep scumclaiming and defending your buddies.

I don't really have a counterargument. I just want fruit. I know I'm town and that's good enough for me. I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to drown in a huge game, and god damn if I'm gonna drown and be miserable, I'm gonna eat fruit.

I don't dislike the plan of Ali suggesting fruit bargainers, but there's nothing to say Pine has to go for anyone Ali suggests. And Ali doesn't have all the answers anyway.

This actually feels town. It has a 'who the fuck cares' mentality and an 'im gonna do me' kind of approach that doesn't come from scum.

VOTE: jjh927

I'm actually okay parking on this atm

still reading up

Are you scumreading him? Why? I think his early game interactions wrt Pine and the fruit were kinda town.

Firebringer is having the time of his life right now

And he's town because of it. I doubt those interactions are S/S and he's being wagoned…
Cheniiis much better wagon imo

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

yeaaahhhh

Oh damn I'm actually behind by a lot.

Gdi now I'm the dicknut.

Feels like trying to derail whatever discussion is going on. Just don't like the feel of this post.

yo chennis why is Menalque opportunistic and why is it scummy

Dannflor sees the same here, he can be town

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VOTE: Chennis

FB/Chick/Dann town.

This game is way too big for me to have a lot more then this rn...

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Also scummy ducky but I always think that and I need to fight him first to be able to read him

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oops that was a double post

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Ur actually asking me to be nuanced about something?

Do you even know me at all?

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First of all, FB's interactions with Pine and the fruit don't read like S/S. You said it yourself, FB seems to be having a great time playing games there, and I don't think those are scum interactions.

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Be as deep as possible!

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Dann get's an early townread from me because he questions the same thing I saw with Chennis's posts regarding opportunism

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I don't really have a counterargument. I just want fruit. I know I'm town and that's good enough for me. I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to drown in a huge game, and god damn if I'm gonna drown and be miserable, I'm gonna eat fruit.

I don't dislike the plan of Ali suggesting fruit bargainers, but there's nothing to say Pine has to go for anyone Ali suggests. And Ali doesn't have all the answers anyway.

Chikadee's townread is more feel then the other ones. This post in particular feels very 'free flowing'. Not caring. No agenda. 'I'm not here to be liked'.
This is town doing it's own goddamn thing and the others can suck it if they don't like it. It reads like town to me I don't think I can put it any other way.

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noBad

Meh. Disagree.

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iconeum's read is also completely made up btw but he's defending his friend menalque

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chennis my boy instead of shading me why don't you talk about it in a little more depth?

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gamma's pinging me in the wrong way as well

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A lot of fluff in his ISO but the ones that pinged me

194 and 202 contradict each other. It feels like he went 'oh wait i'd better not townread that slot'
gets a nullscum read in 249

not much else in there, a couple readslist and it feels like gamma is more concerned making these then actual scumhunting/pushing

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Formerfish you wanna go at it now or later?

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chennis my boy instead of shading me why don't you talk about it in a little more depth?

Isn't chennis one of the masons? This looks like a bad post if so. Also yeah I'm not pushing much because I'm behind, way to go after an easy target
VOTE: Iconeum

they claimed?

also easy target? did you read my early case on him?

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And like if I'm wrong then whatever but it looks pretty bad from Iconeum, plus going after me like that is bad too

i'm here to talk about why you think it's bad

but same as with chennis, both of you are scumreading me right after I post a scumread on you guys so ehhh

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come at me if you think i'm making up cases against you

but don't both of you just stand there calling my cases on you bad and then scumreading me for it

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Nice stuff, but got anything usefull to add there, Pinky?

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I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behind

but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?

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I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behind

but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?

You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.

Saying I posted this because you are an easy target for being behind is bleh.

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You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.

Which scum!Gamma does... why?
I'm open but I thought Gamma's seemingly unprompted sloppy turnaround on Maria was more likely to be a real thought, it's possible I missed like, him being questioned on it and panicking or smth? which might be a little more spicy but aorn I'm like "I see Ico going for a lynch" and that has me like >:/

I dunno. Not wanting to have a townread on Maria. I have trouble with someone saying they read a post and think that's one thing, to come back in and then say they actually think the complete opposite. To me that doesn't feel natural.

This game has barely begun, i'm not going for any lynch yet

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Also, it happened like ducky said it but I didn't see this previously so no credit for me :s

Spoiler:

If Claire is scum she's not making it to endgame

Oh how many people have said this. How many have been wrong too. Don’t worry, pine most likely drafts for entertainment and I’m not an entertaining scum pick considering how good I am at it. I do expect Maria paranoia at one point but it won’t be early. So, logically I didn’t even need to respond to this but It made me laugh so I had to.
Side note Ali I would never stab you. You’re pretty confident in your ability to read me so we should have no worries hopefully

Also I like this post

If Claire is scum she's not making it to endgame

Oh how many people have said this. How many have been wrong too. Don’t worry, pine most likely drafts for entertainment and I’m not an entertaining scum pick considering how good I am at it. I do expect Maria paranoia at one point but it won’t be early. So, logically I didn’t even need to respond to this but It made me laugh so I had to.
Side note Ali I would never stab you. You’re pretty confident in your ability to read me so we should have no worries hopefully

Also I like this post

I don't even understand this post

What did you like about it

If Claire is scum she's not making it to endgame

Oh how many people have said this. How many have been wrong too. Don’t worry, pine most likely drafts for entertainment and I’m not an entertaining scum pick considering how good I am at it. I do expect Maria paranoia at one point but it won’t be early. So, logically I didn’t even need to respond to this but It made me laugh so I had to.
Side note Ali I would never stab you. You’re pretty confident in your ability to read me so we should have no worries hopefully

Also I like this post

I don't even understand this post

What did you like about it

Actually thinking on it I actually don't like it
I feel like town Maria would have blown up a little

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his kind of tunnel is firmly within your scumrange

did you see that i was pushing chennis as well?

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Also, #1037

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During fighting in WWI between the Germans and the French both sides put down their arms on Christmas, crawled out of the trenches and greeted their enemy as friends on the battlefield in honor of the holiday.

You mean right after and right before they were shooting and stabbing and killing each other relentlessly? Right?

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Someone wanna talk to me? I'm caught up but I still feel a bit lost...

I don't have any kind of experience with the likes of LLD and ICE and I'm unsure what to think of the argument that happened. I feel the claim is probably town, scum team in a game this size *probably* have stronger claims to work with. I don't read LLD as scum, and apparently ICE and LLD are a thing so are they just pressing each others buttons or is ICE actually scumreading LLD?

Also, both of my early game scummy reads were dismissed for all kinds of wrong reasons. I would've understood if they simply got dismantled for being bad or wrong, but gamma days I pushed him for being behind which is simply untrue, and chennis never even responded past 'this is bad mkay'.

After my little engagement with the duck it turned out gamma only changed his read AFTER being called out on it, and that's important.

@Formerfish, sure it's entirely possible to change ones mind on something but I think the progression as seen in game is off. Do you think this is scum!me pushing bad cases just for the sake of it?

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Mena has been awful quiet lately, anyone else notice that?

If you call Mena out for this, why not the active lurkers?

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Why do you care who I call out and for what?

Well, why shouldn't I? You target 1 player specifically for being quiet, while I think players like Sky are doing worse. You say Sky's been doing Sky, but I don't see it.

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I don't like how you were coming to gamma's defense while there wasn't that much to defend over

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Why do you care who I call out and for what?

Well, why shouldn't I? You target 1 player specifically for being quiet, while I think players like Sky are doing worse. You say Sky's been doing Sky, but I don't see it.

I mean, you could let me do what i want to do and leave me alone like you know you should do. But you seem like you wanna engage with me for some reason.

I don't like how you were coming to gamma's defense while there wasn't that much to defend over

I dont know if you are trying to poke me or if this is something real you wanna talk about.

Not looking to engage with you specifically. But most of the conversation is over my head and I feel better doing my own thing. And you did step in when I called out gamma. You ignored the actually scummy part of it. Then you dismissed my defence at the worst as well. Now you are calling out 1 specific person for not being here, while I feel there are worse slots that are doing that. So yeah.

Menalq definitely had the most pressure tho, sure.

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VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

like I mean everything before this is garbage but this also kind of really sucks

chenn ignoring me has been noted

ankamius bullying me has been noted

wow, pine, u said id be more useful to scum as town than scum

rude

and these posts do not sound like chennisden

I received the message

YOU AREN'T TOWN DUDE

there's NO WAY town!chennisden responds to that with that
NO WAY dude

the best way to find scum chennis is if he is micromanaging the gamestate

im not

also, the gain i have as scum by not micromanaging the gamestate and say "lol im not scum bc im not micromanaging" is WAY less than the gain i have as scum by micromanaging.

How are you even gonna try micromanaging a game of this magnitude? Using WIFOM as a means of defense right now is weak, just like your previous reply to my first gaze in your general direction.

Ali, I'll burn Chennisden down with the rest of the forest for you

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I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

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I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.

However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lol

vote it

But chennis is actually scum

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I GOT A PAGETOP I DID IT MOM

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Yeah no I just don't see LLD as scum. I know i'm far from the best player in this game but i'm here and I stick to my gut now.

Most of the votes on LLD are literally 'you claim commuter? SCUMMMMM'

How easy is it for actual scum to follow that, huh? I bet Pine is laughing his ass off in his little forest right now

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But chennis is actually scum

Ive heard there might be upwards of 6 scumbags we can murder.

I've got 99 scumreads but this bitch ain't one

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Dragonite buddy
Vote LLD with me

Ali i love u and ur letter to me, but i'm here to stop you from making a mistake
I know how you can get when you have that kind of read, I think it's wrong

I'm not in this game to be puppeted by you, but I will protect you from Evil!

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The worst part is I think Pops is scum and he's the only one I can fkn talk to who understands lmfao

my life is suffering

wait why are you scumreading pops?

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Like IMO the 6 scum probably look something like...

Xof
JJH
Pops
One and only one of ank/Chen
One and only one of Pink Ball and Kraft
And one and only one of Maria and Katsuki.

Based on drafting expectations and play so far. Listed in order of confidence

Thoughts on gamma and the worst?

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IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.

Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.

LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.

Why would scum!LLD do that?

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Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town

I'm 100% sure there are players in this list that are extremely hard to read. If you give commuter to town, why not give it to someone very much capable of obvtowning down the road? I don't know LLD but from what i've seen I think she's probabllllyy capable of doing so

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IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.

Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.

LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.

Why would scum!LLD do that?

Icon did we have a scum game together recently?

We played as scum together in that yolo all vig something game?

iconeum r u doing that scum thing u did last time with me where u just ask questions all game

Please. Read ANY of my town games and say that's actually AI afterwards?

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Please. Read ANY of my town games and say that's actually AI afterwards?

maybe u should just not ask questions anymore

But I like my questions

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Sorry Icon, but this is deja vu mate. You got snowed in the same with with whathisslut in our game and i wanted to murder you.

oooh you mean the game where you wanted to kill me really badly (i was town) and where scum had me pocketed so deeply I could feel his balls?

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Iconeum's self meta is of a game where he describes himself as pocketed by scum.

Iconeum, did you do any self-reflection as a result of that game?

It's not meta, it was one game. And the only reason I got pocketed in the first place is because Mr. Fish had a hard-on for killing me. He had it completely figured out I was scum. But I wasn't. The last scum stepped in to defend me and one thing lead to another.

Self-reflection? What I learned from that game is to not blindly assume someone is town just because they are defending you. But FF is leaving out a few details of what exactly happened there.

Ico, This is one of those games where you need to realize that you dont know stuff and that other people who seem to know stuff, like Ice, are telling you a thing. Listen to the thing, and be smug tomorrow if Ice is wrong.

Use the wagon to hunt and find scum. Like the game is played each and every time

You were wrong about me in that particular game and your obsession and unwillingness to reconsider your read lead to me being pocketed. I don't easily sheep, especially when I have a read of my own. I am not voting someone for these terrible reasons, and would much rather prefer going after the likes of Chennis who are literally standing in the shadows of a tree right now.

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Not relitigating it, but you were pocketed before i showed up, you and your scum buddy were backed up against the wall fighting off the whole world. Then we lynched a hidden scummer and it was between you and the actual scum.You couldnt get out of your own way and it almost lost us that game.

Not how I remember that game tho. It wasn't until you stepped in I actually buddied up there (or got buddied, whatever). I also remember the game having a mech solve but you being too stubborn to accept it because it involved lynching you first and we almost lost the game because of that

So please, don't twist that game to fit your narrative here

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Who cares about whatever other game you're discussing and why does it matter here?

And LLD Should Not Be Lynched

Me and FF care. Especially when it's being used as a means to puppet me.

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My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.

I'm waiting for your self-vote here, DG

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Chennis scum:

Spoiler:

NOT cool pine. This TIME you've really fucking done it. Calling me out as part of your scumteam TO discredit me is such a low move. I just want to take a BUS out of this town and leave, but I can't do that YET.

This doesn't feel like a natural response.

Chickadee sucm.

Deep read.

Im thinking scum need to get away with asking for fruit.

This almost sounds... opportunistic?

I get why people wouldn't read all that's been posted so far, but something about Chickadee's post feels funny to me. I'm not saying she's scummy, just something about the tone is registering strangely to me.

I'm not really familiar enough with everyone playing, even Pine, Jingle, and Alisae, to really speculate how they may have chosen scumteam and who would do well here, so I'm not going to speculate on that. That feels like far too much of a distraction. Same with the fruit. I think that fruit will be important later and is a good mechanic to keep track of, but it's very much going to be an incredible distraction. I don't think just Pine will use it that way, but everybody honestly could.

I realize this really isn't all that much of real substance or anything, but this is what I'm thinking so far, and I think the best thing I can do in this game is to share my thoughts. I'm not really one who builds solid readlists or has all sorts of logic to back up a lot of what I think, so apologies in advance if that's what you're looking for.

Agree that Chickadee tone is ringing alarm bells

Yeah. Opportunistic.

Lazy votes guys.

The FB wagon is weird (though fb is scummy), not sure why worst is being wagoned at all, and whoever is scumreading ank please stop

Yeah this isn't lazy or opportunistic at all.

VOTE: menalque, he's so fucking opportunistic

Damn everyone who is opportunistic must be scum.

All posts after this are fluff, standing in the shadows under the protection of his evil Overlord, Pine.

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VLA starting September 13 all the way up until September 20. Will keep up with game (ish) and phone post

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hmmm if only we could think of a usefull action for that watcher lol

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Pine the timing of your offering is... interesting

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what do you wanna do with it, PB?

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rawr!

so ehh anything interesting happened these last 100 or so pages?

before is start reading, obviously… obviously…

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Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

It's one thing to call it out, but not follow through on this with actions is bad

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I agree with this

Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it

uhhhh I need to reread Maria?

weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here

I don't need to make fencesitty posts as scum when I can get out of any read based on that logic. If this is how you feel the correct way to play it would be to wait until after the flip and then ask me.

So, why does scum me fence sit here? Because to me this feels setupish

Not if ur not voting there. You are saying x-flip is good and will provide information but you take no action to further what you are saying. And the first person who calls you out on this you instantly call 'setupish'. Overdefensive.

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Mastina case on Krazy is all meta, right?

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i'm doing my best to get a grip on this game

currently trying to determine mastina's motivations for the push on you

from what i've actually read I could only see a LOT of meta and I don't like that

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@ico If Krazy gets close to lynch I'll vote him, for now if I see a better wagon I'm gonna wait it out. You don't need my 1 vote on his wagon if you have that big a problem with it do something

I don't really care for the Krazy wagon. However the post you I quoted combined with this one reads a lot like you are setting yourself up for a buss if need be.

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Maybe not a bus, but a justification for a late vote switch

I don't know why you would do that as either allignment

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SS
Gamma
duck
grey (that dude that is married with LLD?)
Titus

These 5 are my top townreads

I've played with gamma a bit these last few months, it feels like his town game. I see no agenda in his posting.
Duck is playing his towngame
I don't think grey bussed the living daylights out of LLD
TItus

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Ok. Pops is scum. Krazy speculating scum doctor also doesn't sit well with me.

Wrong.

@ico If Krazy gets close to lynch I'll vote him, for now if I see a better wagon I'm gonna wait it out. You don't need my 1 vote on his wagon if you have that big a problem with it do something

I don't really care for the Krazy wagon. However the post you I quoted combined with this one reads a lot like you are setting yourself up for a buss if need be.

I don't bus as much as scum anymore because I don't get credit much for scum lynches. But I see your reasoning
Pedit: I mean, that is exactly what I'm doing. I am giving my reasoning on why I would hop onto the wagon late. I don't want to lynch Krazy it wouldn't be my first choice, but if I made a full out case on a dif slot I want I doubt people would listen. So, I'm seeing if a dif wagon pops up. If I like it I wanna vote it, if Krazy just goes through I'll help later on. It really can't be more clear.

I like this response tho.

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duckie are you doing your 'i scumread you' thingy to fire or is it an actual scumread?

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duckie are you doing your 'i scumread you' thingy to fire or is it an actual scumread?

i think he's aligned with the mafia.

Do you think Pine would bring a Bringer of Fire into his forest tho?

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i might townread you if you had any trackable believable reads!!

are you scumreading me as well then?

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Thanks for the pagetop
Guys
Its it weird that pops is calling GreyICE conftown
Or am I just high?

Thoughts please

Pedit: I WANTED THAT PAGETOP, WHAT THE FUCK

Question. Why are people townreading GreyICE for his LLD interactions when I would not be surprised at all if they consented to this kind of play in the scum PT. I mean, come on now it's LLD and GreyICE it's not like they wouldn't.

On D1? Without need? It's not impossible but what is there to gain?

You are basicly assuming Pine drafted one of the single best scum players on site into his team TO BUS THERE DAY 1

that's a lot to swallow

(and yes:)

Spoiler:

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Question. Why are people townreading GreyICE for his LLD interactions when I would not be surprised at all if they consented to this kind of play in the scum PT. I mean, come on now it's LLD and GreyICE it's not like they wouldn't.

Seriously tho, what scumteam decides they are gonna bus their miller D1 in a scum-driven push?

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i might townread you if you had any trackable believable reads!!

are you scumreading me as well then?

no you haven't been here
hiconeum

i know but i'm here to stay now

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LLD was like really obviously scum after a bit

ehhh sure if you say so?

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I've never really found LLD hard to read honestly. I haven't read scum her incorrectly once. So I guess my viewpoint is a little off compared to others and maybe I should give the 'bus' more credit. I 100% don't tr anyone who pushed LLD after she claimed because that was an auto scum claim. I suppose I'd need to read before it.

I get townreading the slot don't get me wrong, but the whole. CONF TOWNNN stuff has me go ??? I was kinda thinking it was more to it than just the push. Also your whole 'what is there to gain' question kinda answers itself.

IIRC Grey was among the main pushers of LLD that 'forced' her into claiming and becoming 'obvscum'?

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To be back implies you were here once, i dont really think thats 100% accurate.How about, youre here?

it was like really crowded here before, you probably just didn't see me.

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miller

?

thought it was miller, you had me go back to check :p

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Iconeum- 582 not a fan of the chick tr for twtbaw. Nor the Dan tr for not seeing why Mena was being opportunistic. Which means this is like the part of the date where you tell me youre a vegan and you are really into your life style, and I pay the check on my way out leaving you at he table checking your teeth in your iphone camera for fennel seeds. 584 bad Chenny vote FB/Chick/Dan trs. Weak sr on worst, distancing? 594 I feel like you should know better than to let people off for going against the town grain and to do their own thing. To see you defend chick with that idea makes me feel icky.

I don't see why any of this is a problem. If you feel icky, take a shower.

[Iconeum]

LLD was like really obviously scum after a bit

ehhh sure if you say so?

apparently it's like, conceivable that town misread her (xofelf and aristophanes both did as a baseline minimum) so i expect probably those more strongly inclined towards the social aspect of the game may have been viewing her in a different light?

i've totally switched duckling mode off this game

also i missed you dragon<3

the only scenario that I can possibly imagine is they decided to push each other and it kinda got out of hand and too far to pull out
and now they got stuck with a baby they didn't want

[Iconeum]

Like, yes, GreyICE is town because of his interactions with LLD, but he’s not conftown.

These are my thoughts, properly worded

[Iconeum]

Firebringer if I get lynched and I ask you to please not govern would you not govern because I'm town and I asked?

This feels fake. Presenting yourself as a self-sacrifice without being at risk yet is easy.

VOTE: the worst

"I'm not townreading pops" grossed me out a bit

Weaksauce. This vote came right after Ali called out to lynch the worst, too.

All of the wagons approved by Fire are on high contention reads.

I think we should just ignore the governor, and if Fire uses it we just lynch him the next day.

Fire regularly plays against win condition. That is just how he plays. I would be more likely to invite him to a birthday party than a game of mafia, I'll say that. No matter how much you hate it, it's not scum indicative for him to scumside. You have to figure out other ways to read him, like the actual flavor of his antics, in this case I think scum!fire would give a narrower pool of allowed lynches, this fire doesn't seem to know people's role pms. Threatening to lynch him will do nothing whatsoever to disincentivize his use of the governor as either alignment. Actually if he didn't use the governor it'd probably be better to lynch him.
Fire killed himself as mafia in a game of dance mafia once. He'll do anything.
Sometimes, possibly usually, you can't afford an extra mislynch just to punish bad behavior. I either won SC legacy of the void mafia or won it ahead of schedule because I convinced the town not to lynch a townie who had fake an innocent result on an unconfirmed player who turned out to be scum. That's absolutely disgusting play that "deserves" three lynches but it wasn't to my wincon to mislynch a townie for vindication.

mother of shades?

chennisden is not only not meeting his own hyperpost meta (he probably is, it's just in the PT, I know from Undertale Mafia he loves having a PT), the quality of his posts is way lower. This is not town chennis.

VOTE: chennisden

I don't know where the non-vanity wagons are right now


chennisden shouldn't be a vanity wagon though.

Literally all over the place, hoping one of these wagons draws enough attention away from him is how I read all of this.

VOTE: pops

[Iconeum]

pops is a lady

you know i don't really care about pronouns

but apologies to anyone who takes offence to my abuse of them

[Iconeum]

oh sure with THAT i get a pagetop :s

[Iconeum]

popsofctown -

Why are people scum reading this?

There's no scum agenda in her posting her attempts to engage both Fire and Chennis are overtly townie imo. A lot of effort was put in there for strictly a pro-town outcome in both cases. This is a strong gut tone read I've had since the beginning of the game. I know drunk posting isn't town indicative but I'll read a post like #6974 and just be like... yup that's town. She has this casual flowy way of moving around the game that just seems very hard to replicate as scum over such a large volume of posts.

I'd like to see some actual cases in regards to the scum reads on this slot

because I'm not seeing the apparent weirdness others are seeing.

I know it isn't

that

much what I posted just a few minutes ago but it's still a case. Had you read that yet?

[Iconeum]

Firebringer if I get lynched and I ask you to please not govern would you not govern because I'm town and I asked?

This feels fake. Presenting yourself as a self-sacrifice without being at risk yet is easy.

like this is clearly a line in to engaging with Fire on the governor and actually taking the time and effort to appeal to his logic

Disagree. This is pops working on emotions, trying to appear

she

is willing to 'take one for the team' when the time comes. I don't see how you townread that.

[Iconeum]

popsofctown -

Why are people scum reading this?

There's no scum agenda in her posting her attempts to engage both Fire and Chennis are overtly townie imo. A lot of effort was put in there for strictly a pro-town outcome in both cases. This is a strong gut tone read I've had since the beginning of the game. I know drunk posting isn't town indicative but I'll read a post like #6974 and just be like... yup that's town. She has this casual flowy way of moving around the game that just seems very hard to replicate as scum over such a large volume of posts.

I'd like to see some actual cases in regards to the scum reads on this slot

because I'm not seeing the apparent weirdness others are seeing.

I know it isn't

that

much what I posted just a few minutes ago but it's still a case. Had you read that yet?

it's not a case

it's you quoting some actually pro-town things in her ISO and making snarky comments

Ugh it's a case to me. FTR i am not *intentionally* snarky but if you think what I quoted is actually pro-town then we should definitely talk about it

[Iconeum]

duck, you're a lost cause, but Iconeum, come the fuck on. chennisden is at L-infinity. The idea that I am hoping a chennisden lynch catches on in self defense is absurd; there's at least 3 more viable lynches available today. It's not going to catch on. I posted it because the worst said I had "posted a lot yet hadn't managed to be protown all game", and it struck home a bit, so I wanted to do something and put some kind of work in

So Chennis is basicly a vanity wagon then, right?

[Iconeum]

*vote.

Vanity vote.

[Iconeum]

I know I'm weak to AtE

I've been end gamed by scum that just AtE'd really well

it's something I've accepted about myself

but I have a really hard time reading #7208 and #7209 as anything but frustrated town

Actual question: were you reading LLD as frustrated town as well, or did you think that was scum faking it?

[Iconeum]

Ugh it's a case to me. FTR i am not *intentionally* snarky but if you think what I quoted is actually pro-town then we should definitely talk about it

like the vanity vote on chennis doesn't do much but that's ignoring the case work she did on him which does do a lot, even if not right now

the only thing i'm having second thoughts about is that her vote on Chennis doesn't really accomplish much for a scum agenda, unless setting up associations for what she might think is a probably lynch on her

[Iconeum]

so how is it opportunistic

I don't think I called the chennis vote opportunistic. But it's a vanity vote while in the same breath arguing we shouldn't be doing that so...

[Iconeum]

VOTE: mastina

Why are we doing this right now? I thought the idea was to let Mastina live and have her protect our conftown in SS and force scum to kill her or fuck with the protect so that we kill her.

Either way, shes not the kill today. Ill fucking pull an Ari on people soon.

I agree with this. Why waste a lynch on a claimed protective with a conftown out there?

The only thing that mastina has to agree on here is that the protect goes to SS 100% of the time. NO COINFLIP.

[Iconeum]

See, but I don't care. The flip gives me information and mastina is locked into keeping a conf town alive or she dies. So works for me

I think it is a bad idea for me to commit to protecting our conftown 100%, saying, "yes, I will be locked onto Something_Smart and only SS". While this will keep SS alive, it will also guarantee I don't die.

My preferred approach would be flipping a coin between protecting S_S and, say, GreyICE (to name a possible protection), with the understanding that if I protect the not-S_S option and S_S dies that I eat the lynch.

The coinflip approach at least gives us the chance of keeping Pine on his toes, keeping Pine guessing as to who I'll protect, rather than locking it into a known variable.

If it's left to random chance, then there's a 50% chance I fuck up and Pine gets everything he wants but there's a 50% chance Pine fucks up and town gets everything they want; I consider this probably better than a 100% chance of the status quo being maintained, so unless Ali tells me otherwise that'll be my plan tonight. Literally flip a coin. If heads, protecting Something_Smart; if tails, protecting someone who I think is a probable Pine nightkill.

@FF, that's not how I read her intentions. By 'choosing at random' a scum!Mastina can work around 'being leashed'. Mastina needs to agree on being leashed to protecting SS in order for this to work

[Iconeum]

Tbh who says scum doesn't have a strong man

there's a bunch of roles that interfere. Strongman, roleblocker, jailkeeper etc.

But if mastina protects the conftown then we can somewhat control scum actions as well, which is a good thing


In short, do you really wanna lynch a claimed protective?

[Iconeum]

reading fireb's ISO is like brushing your teeth with a nail file

[Iconeum]

oof finally a decent pagetop

[Iconeum]

oof finally a decent pagetop

Now if only your iso would follow.

[Iconeum]

We can mislynch her in the future if we need too.

[Iconeum]

We can mislynch her in the future if we need too.

Is this where you pretend not to understand context and we go back and forth for the next few hours?

You say that like I'm known for faking not understanding context

[Iconeum]

VOTE: mastina

[Iconeum]

sorry guys with the holidays and being ill these last couple days

not lurking, still intend to play this out :p

[Iconeum]

I don't think FF's shitpush makes him scum because I've seen him push something terrible as town before

Also, chennis L-1 right?

[Iconeum]

Yo Pine I'll take Jailkeeper in exchange for a hammer vote right now.

What say you?

[Iconeum]

noooo my fruit

[Iconeum]

Duck, why did you flip your read on Mastina?

I thought you said she stepped out of her scumrange?

I had another look at her posts and can't really remember why I thought that

the m.o. of
> coast til pushed
> start generating content at lightspeed
> push someone vulnerable (unsure of krazzy's alignment)
> keep generating content but not actually try to get very very strong scumread lynched

is ringing alarm bells. Mastina like. really really wants to be alive here.

it's really unlike you ducky to switcharoo like that. You have these really solid pinpoint reads and I'm unused to you switching an opinion around like this. If you felt this was scumastina yesterday, you'd have said so yesterday?

think it's fair to say towns winning these games is a gargantuan task: last game Elli all but delivered the scumteam on a silver platter, and one wildly anti-meta scumpick saved scum the game. like, the mafia gods curse pine's opponents. just have fun. mafia is a deep hobby but it's just a game.

+1
But I am in. All the way.

Pretty sure we have a mob doctor. That explains the vig no kill. Fire was the obvious mob doctor shot.

What

Ehhhh, these conclusions are just… made up right?

Can we please play this correctly this time and let ali/SS leash the fruit?

How exactly is that gonna turn out you think? If you let others leash the fruit, it will take away any slips or possible outings from scum bargaining for fruit...

“Hey, the fruit probably has ways in which it can be used by town but also advantages for scum to keep it balanced?”

“Is there an optimal strategy to deal with that?”

“Yeah, we leash the requests so pine can’t give it to whoever he wants. Maybe we get no fruit, but at least this way scum doesn’t get anything particularly good!”

“Oh, great, so we can control it to a degree and make it a more townsiding mechanic?”

“Yeah, exactly!”

*everyone immediately asks for fruit the second it gets offered*

Like honestly, I don’t even give a shit if it’s against my wincon, if the people who have been insta asking for fruit since yesterday are town then I WANT scum to win because they deserve it so much more if the plan is literally just scumsiding from town

So let’s lynch mariaR and fb and if they flip town then I’ll vote whoever pine tells me to because just fuck. This. Game.

@Pine you didn't have problems the first time Ali leashed the fruit bargains, why are you being so adamant to it now? You're trying to leash it yourself by only offering fruit for the low posters.

I doubt scum!PB makes this post

I like this take

the worst is significantly more townier then he was D3
I'm not sure if I should feel more sure of myself or more paranoid because of it.

More? Significantly more? Ali plz

ok but which people are only posting when they need to be townread then lurking

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

Yeah this is a really towny shading post, Ali.



VOTE: the worst

[Iconeum]

Ah yes
A Dragonite
Truly an intellectual

Dragons aren't known for their intellect, just their brutality.

[Iconeum]

Actually a bit nervous about LLD. I kinda get she's doing LLD things and the xofcase gets the game firing in a way that I am never surprised to see LLD do but it's also kind of just.... noise.... like I am aware she doesn't expect anyone ever to take that case seriously and I'm not sure it's actually productive/does anything to solve the game

very much consistent with LLD scum m.o. but I think I can also see it come from LLD who saw something and wanted to kick up some noise about it to get a conversation going. but it was way too soon and not conducive to a valuable conversation so did she do it just to look like she's solving the game?

food for thought. I'm scared of LLD so I'll observe cautiously.

Actually just had another scroll through her ISO and fuckit
VOTE: jjh

Scum!Krazy jumping on the LLD wagon since the beginning before I posted endorsing it?
Idunno dude, I’m not exactly sure about that.

decent point, krazy / LLD didn't feel aligned

duck is talking about how openwolfing LLD has been D1, but if you read his D1 ISO I don't really get that.

His 'mastina is now outside of scumrange' doubleback today on posts made when he decided this, is also unlike town duck i've seen.
I don't like his Maria vote.
I don't like his calling out of PB's scumminess based on activity and timing of all things. Like seriously, who here believes the worst has an honest scumread on PB 'because he posted within half an hour of someone calling PB out'?

[Iconeum]

actually
VOTE: iconeum

i'll bite that pop-in was wolfy af

how is you considering PB for scum based on

timing

not scum?

[Iconeum]

his day 2 and 3 catchups aren't town catchups

oh please

if they aren't town

they are scum

what did I accomplish for my team with those posts then?

[Iconeum]

actually
VOTE: iconeum

i'll bite that pop-in was wolfy af

how is you considering PB for scum based on

timing

not scum?

He literally just said it was funny

he said it wasn't a scum tell even

what?

[Iconeum]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

[Iconeum]

you're not tryna sort my alignment here dragon pal

i thought you were scum when reading D4 :s

[Iconeum]

PB i am starting to find it legitimately hilarious that you pop up within half an hour of people shading you

it's past like a lame beetlejuicing tell now it's actually fate

okay so it's not calling him scum directly but it's still shading based on timing

it's not legitimate shading and it's a stretch to read it like that

i read it like that

[Iconeum]

if you think i'm scum show me your thought process in realtime.

no problem

i read the 12ish pages from D4

First I see ducky having a 180 read on Mastina, based on posts made during a time where ducky called mastina 'outside of scumrange'. I know you can change reads, that's not my point. But you are otherwise very adamant on these things, and it's odd to me that you switched your read around when the scumtalk was going on about Mastina, which makes me read it as you setting up a justification for a later vote there.

Your engagement with PB also doesn't fall well with me, and I think it's 'beneath' you to call someone out on timing.
I can see this is a misread by me, but the Mastina read isn't.

[Iconeum]

given you townread me up til d4, why do you see this and go "oh man scum!duck's tryna shade poor PB!!"? like what precludes this from just being town!me trying to tickle PB into submission?

I'm dropping the PB charges because you were way less aggresive then what was in my mind when going through it.
The mastina read charges still stand. I don't consider a read change scum persé, but it doesn't read like town duck thoughts process that you could say mastina was outside of scumrange but now based off of a post it's suddenly possible again?

[Iconeum]

iconeum tried to take a stancehe fell flat on his assthe three of us are standing over himthe gamestate is excited, and he's at the centre of it - this is the right time to sort him

there was a time you'd make an MS PAINT to picture this

i'm used to being in this position and if this game wants to push me, go for it

[Iconeum]

Ico, where are the rest of your reads at right now? Just basic scum reads and town reads you don't have to go into everyone

i'll get to that today, meeting in 15

[Iconeum]

Firebringer - town
MariaR - town
Gamma Emerald - could be scum
mastina - could be scum(ish?)
popsofctown - town
Krazy - null
Something_Smart -
PenguinPower - been seeing PP pop up as scumreads here and there, but haven't noticed anything particularly scummy.
the worst - Dislike his change on mastina. Like his vigour. Showing sorting intention with me instead of going full ham. Don't think I'm particularly good at reading him but I'll never shy away from pushing a smell
GreyICE - strong townread after his push on LLD, but dissapeared I think ever since. I think if scum he'd ride the wave of towncredit, but more likely he's just town and got murdered irl by LLD.
Titus - town
Iconeum - i'm me
Pink Ball - town
Dannflor - town - i've read the last few pages twice, and I don't see how his push is so terrible? I don't mind the pressure from either worst or dann tbh
Katsuki - could be scum
Menalque - could be scum

[Iconeum]

i've literally been asked to do so

[Iconeum]

You're not showing us what's on your mind. Why not?

You have the misconception that I'm faking what I wrote about you

[Iconeum]

I've played a bit with you in the past, worst. I know you have a bullshit detector, and that you are good at reading people's ranges. I think you faked your backtrack on mastina to get a lynch there in time.

But granted, I probably read what I saw you write about PB and took it to fit into my ducky scumread, because I think it did.

[Iconeum]

ok true but why does that come before explaining trajectory on a single read which you were super passionate about before your meeting?

Well, I was super passionate about my read on you during my D4 read. Your mastina post pinged me a LOT, and I think it comes from scum!you.

[Iconeum]

You're not showing us what's on your mind. Why not?

You have the misconception that I'm faking what I wrote about you

Absolutely not. I think you thought what you wrote about me was very clever. I just also think you were posting it without actually evaluating my alignment, and posted it to make me look worse and get yourself onto the wagon rather than to get a firmer read on me.

I don't know if it's clever, but I think it's right. Not evaluating your allignment isn't true, because it made me switch reads on you.

[Iconeum]

okay before i *try* to answer that, I can shoot this back at you

why does scum!dragon, who had a townread on you and was not active enough to deserve a townread himself this game, come out of the gates D4 'to hop on worst wagon'.
There are alternatives, hell there's even no need for scum to be on a wagon right now or any day soon. Do you think I didn't realize what I could bring upon myself by posting that?

what is my scum motivation in doing so?

[Iconeum]

You've also seen my scumgame and I think you're aware that I do things with motivation, rather than hamfistedly saying things that will make me look as stupid and vulnerable as possible. So again, what do you consider my motivation? Getting a mastina lynch? Then why am I not pushing it?

Getting a PB lynch? Then why did I try to engage with him and why am I not pushing him?

Why am I doing all of this and then also Shading Menalque and Dannflor, the latter of whom you're townreading and presumably I've hard pocketed?

Like you're saying my evil scumplay this phase is:
- enter thread
- attack pocketed dannflor for no reason
- pivot on Mastina because I need the mislynch but then leave her for later (???)
- shade PB for no reason
- pick a fight with Maria to ?mislynch?her?

conversely I've entered this phase, laid down 3 reads I'm reconsidering, and I'm posting what I'm feeling.

Which ones more likely dragon? And if it's the former why are you unable to show me which posts of mine concerned you and what agenda you think I was pushing?

I'm very very much aware about you and motivation. And yes, I think a mastina lynch is in the world of possibilities. I think it's very much possible that Pine in his forest has ordered his minions to set up a lynch on mastina today. You aren't pushing there now, but by posting that you have set up justification for a vote there later.

Again, I was wrong (because of eagerness) on your PB 'push'.

[Iconeum]

Well it's D4 and I haven't really been playing the game yet, saying I can't coast as either allignment is accurate sure.

I already did that trajectory thing or else I don't know what you want exactly

[Iconeum]

if you think i'm scum show me your thought process in realtime.

no problem

i read the 12ish pages from D4

First I see ducky having a 180 read on Mastina, based on posts made during a time where ducky called mastina 'outside of scumrange'. I know you can change reads, that's not my point. But you are otherwise very adamant on these things, and it's odd to me that you switched your read around when the scumtalk was going on about Mastina, which makes me read it as you setting up a justification for a later vote there.

Your engagement with PB also doesn't fall well with me, and I think it's 'beneath' you to call someone out on timing.
I can see this is a misread by me, but the Mastina read isn't.

Oh is that what you meant with posting an empty readlist prior to talking about you?

I made this post, which I consider a reply to trajectory thingy, prior to said meeting.

[Iconeum]

I read here that my entrance D4 is scummy as ****, but that's exactly what I think of the duck's opening.

[Iconeum]

nothing apparently

[Iconeum]

i wasn't really posting with the intent of looking townie, but if you truly want me to quote something i can go back and look

[Iconeum]

okay before i *try* to answer that, I can shoot this back at you

why does scum!dragon, who had a townread on you and was not active enough to deserve a townread himself this game, come out of the gates D4 'to hop on worst wagon'.
There are alternatives, hell there's even no need for scum to be on a wagon right now or any day soon. Do you think I didn't realize what I could bring upon myself by posting that?

what is my scum motivation in doing so?

here ducky

[Iconeum]

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

I think he's tryna post stuff which looks good > is good

his push on me early this phase was intensely bad faithy and he kinda weaseled out of going into any kind of depth about his read/progression

i did full disclosure tho :s

[Iconeum]

name a thing chennisden did.

posted and squirmed a lot

name a thing spyconeum did that's towny

VOTE: mastina

Could you explaint he difference between this and a naked vote?

The one push that I felt comfortable with and attempted blew up in my face
I got a message with a vote suggestion
This is fine

[Iconeum]

Do you not think the worst is scum anymore?

I still dislike the mastina stuff, but the other part of my read there wasn't what I thought it was so … Also his response to me felt like a strong town reaction rather then scummy OMGUS.

[Iconeum]

HEY ICONEUM
I SEE YOU ON SITE
I SEE YOU POSTIN ON OTHER PLACES

WHERE U AT

I'm here

i'm caught up

i see you guys racing to 400 fucking pages for no reason

i have a scumread on duck that i got slaughtered over, i think he was setting mastina up

got a PM saying a vote on dann or mastina is a good vote, so i did that along with my scumread because lol

thinking if mastina flips town, i am comfortable going after ducky and if mastina flips scum i can sleep at night

like i really want to see a lynch instead of 15 pages anime discussion but some of this shit is good discussion this last page

i'm drowning and i don't know what to do

sorry for bad gif but i tried

[Iconeum]

Is mastina actually scum? I dunno

I see a lot of people scumreading there and making associations so I think it's a valuable lynch, personally as well

Not lynching mastina here is probably not good for gamestate tomorrow as those scumreads aren't going away
Mastina flipping scum I think we can easily follow Ali's last Association post

Mastina flipping town we really need to lynch that duck tomorrow (or, you know, other solutions)

[Iconeum]

i'm vt

sorry for the wait :s

[Iconeum]

plz help me help you guys

[Iconeum]

anyway, here goes

[Iconeum]

VT claims

Firebringer
Gamma
Krazy
the worst
Iconeum
Dannflor
Menalque

Power role claims

MariaR / doctor
PB / Tracker
SS / I don't even know but this was confirmed town, right?
PP / visitor
Katsuki / Beloved Princess

Did the mason claim yet? I think that needs to happen. It's Mylo, it's a conftown. We need this information.
Don't wanna lynch in any PR's right now, with the exception of Beloved Princess which is like scumclaim numero uno in MYLO

[Iconeum]

Out of the other PR's, I think the only legit scumrole could be PP's visitor? Tracker and doc would make sense for town.

[Iconeum]

man pine must be feeling super smug about how he has this game wrapped up.

pine next time I will defeat u

this massclaim feels like it will last all week

I'm just gonna go over this dayphase, and see who has actually had interest in solving or just trying to be present.

2 posts from FB to Pine jump out and feel fake. Those do little to help. Saying this takes so long is also another post that feels like he's trying to post just to be here.

[Iconeum]

Did the mason claim yet? I think that needs to happen. It's Mylo, it's a conftown. We need this information.

mason is not outed atm. Why do you need this information?

Because it's MYLO, and if we don't lynch correctly we lose. I don't know Ali, do you think us knowing a conftown is good or bad for us at this time?
I'd be happy to go through my list first and THEN have the mason claim? But I strongly feel like any kind of information would be a good thing rn.

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

Also was I told to watch Elsa because she was a mason or what

Yeah avtually one sec, that actually seems meaningful

Okay so it seems Elsa's kill flavor differs from Nacho's somewhay so I doubt any commonality in those kills. Also

Funny how people keep trusting things that come from scum.

Yeah I think had I read the day first my question would have been meaningless. There's no way Pine is operating for any good here, and though I distrusted Alisae for a moment I refuse to believe both stumps would be scum. Now I'm very curious about what drawbacks other fruits incur if those have such grave consequences.

The four names were SS, Krazy, Iconeum and pops.

Also if this is true we have a 50/50 between Krazy and Ico
I need to check something now

Lady Lambdadelta (13): the worst, Katsuki, Krazy, Formerfish, MariaR,

Titus, Jjh927

,

Gamma Emerald

,

GreyICE

, Firebringer, Dannflor,

ankamius, popsofctown

If this is a bus what spots did scum take on it? It seems the back is rather clear of scum, so they seem to be theoretically frontloaded.

Alright then, who are all the people who voted LLD? Whilst I do want to make a difference I need to avoid expending time on outsourcable tasks

A lot more effort to sort, and genuine feeling in this.

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@Katsuki, did you ever crumb that very convenient claim of yours?

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any alignment indicative information would be a fucking gem

Like, knowing who the mason is? Right? Riiight?

pretty much agreed ya
i'll do my bit after massclaim

It's post-mass claim? What are you gonna do?

well we know katsuki is scum now right

Why haven't you pushed Kats claim yet?

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I feel like duck!scum has a fake claim ready here in order to confirm that Pops really did have a mech claim on him

Like the whole pops thing is really weird and I'm not sure why she said that

But I don't know why scum duck doesn't try to go for the easy opening of a mech clear on himself

mayyybe he got spooked by having to claim first? it's weird to me that we'd be having this discussion and Pops woulda thought she had good enough reason to call duck town by mech alone in a scum!duck world

Difficulty reading Dann here. He's been trying to sort lately, but you seem to have dropped your scumread on me or?? Also, do you think I'm scum with duck, then?

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Not really interested in others right now, we can start with this?

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Because it's MYLO, and if we don't lynch correctly we lose.

I know who the mason is and my decisions are based on this

Ali you need to start helping us out here. I really feel that withholding information THAT GIVES US A CONFTOWN isn't helping. Massclaim happened, there's a bunch of PR's out there, what is your reluctance here?

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ev% soars the closer the mason gets to endgame

right that makes sense nvm

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it would really help if kats crumbed that beloved princess tho, it's just a too convenient claim at this stage of the game

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and I would love to know if Dann thinks i'm scum with duck

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i don't think gamma is scum either, he feels very natural and solvey rn

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ali you realize that your iso alone is 9! pages already, right?

'proper mafia play' went out the window for me the moment this game hit 100 pages per dayphase

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Mena you need to claim iirc

youuuuuu haven't been reading my posts ducky

I'm not feeling loved

love me, PB

even if you consider my posting useless for actually solving allignments, maybe i can do enough to get people back interested in this and into efforting

wtf do you even mean dumbtell

i still think having mason claim is +town, and what about kats that i said is 'dumbtell'?

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*cough*

you can ignore those menal quotes for now, was rereading him

had quoted those as an example for what I'd expect a beloved princess to be crumbing, and I think if Menal and Kats are scum together this probably wouldn't happen

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you don't think it has even a 0.1% chance of being an actual pr this game?

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i'm curious why you aren't pushing for a kats lynch rn?

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icon do you even use discord?

yeah, i'm in that marathon group thingy, and i have one for SubOptimal Math (TeamMaf)

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pedit: because he's a beloved princess Ico

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i'm confused

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is anyone defending it?

not sure ico had fully registered

this?

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what does scum!kats have to gain from that claim?

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for the record, I think it's a bullshit claim 100%

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ok ali

not kats

then who?

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we can totally ignore kats for now if that's what ali wants

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I actually understand the duck on that. We are never finding the entire scumteam today (let alone a large enough towncore), and if we are to salvage this game we need to start with a scumlynch and work from there

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kats/fire/dann/pp

would lynch in here and in that order, too

probably not based on enough actual material, but it is what it is

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I think pp's claim would fit a scumteam. FB seems content with the current gamestate and is posting to just be here?

Not the best cases or anything, but it's what I think. All based on my readthrough from today.

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they're not all gonna claim vt. LLD was commuter.

they need claims that would explain them being seen somewhere if there's town investigatives

doc / unlikely
tracker / possible, but prone to CC unless scum have an actual tracker?
visitor / good smokescreen for something like a roleblocker

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haven't looked into his targets and motivation for them yet.

otoh, i think the way he claimed it thru gifs is kinda town PP?

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who did maria protect N2?

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i don't think it's incredibly likely we got 2 docs?

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i can see the gambit if scum but i really don't see any benefit to faking doc claim as town

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because maria is scum.

she doesn't come in here as town and fake claim like that unless she wanted to snipe the counter doc for a win.

how does it feel that Ali counterclaimed it?

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i literally don't understand any of this

I cannot see for the life of me what is pro-town about fake claiming doc

and it makes no sense to do so as scum if you already know the treestump is a doc

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I think the play MariaR was thinking would happen is if she was town, we would lynch scum and I try to get a successful protection on her tonight.

yeah because 'lets fake claim doc, i'm sure Ali won't think twice about having 2 docs in game' is completely natural

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hot take: maria's actually a doc

only thing that actually makes sense

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lemme get some coffee and reread because I have the feeling i'm missing somethings here

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if all of this is scum theater i'm nomming all of you for a scummy after the game

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gamma/fire/woopie/fire/dann

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to me, woopie and dann come out like actually trying to sort

fire looks like he has had his reads in stone for a while now, and is just trying to get the lynch he wants (which isn't scum to me by itself, but it lacks sorting at a time that town needs evaluation)

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gamma/fire/woopie/fire/dann

lvl with me dragon pal which names here do you think are scum?

replace one fire with krazy

i'm having difficulty seeing krazy v dann v gamma as s/s/s

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krazy v dann felt natural to me

if you made me choose right now i'd lynch in fire/gamma, and in this order

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Ico you can also ask for rolecop fruit but I’m worried you won’t get a chance to use it since you don’t check site during the weekends

I've been making exceptions to my weekend VLA just for this game tho. It was unplayable to come in Monday and read up on 30 pages each time. So yeah, i've been reading during weekends. Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to send in a night action if you help me direct it

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but i also know i'm a sucker to ate, just giving my thoughts here

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bargain: rolecop

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@GE, yes.

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I think Krazy is town here, because I can relate to his feelings. He was being called scum for not pushing reads, which he would do as town. But this is a hard game to 'work in', and once you guys started playing with each other, you could really see Krazy get into his element. Yeah, I townread that.

GE felt more survivalistic, focusing more on not being scumread then actually scumhunting.

Dann, I don't know. His meta push on Krazy was good, but once Krazy started what should be towntelling for Dann: basicly playing the game, he wasn't reconsidering. This could very much be scum.

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my ego flaring up or is it bizarre people have checked in and don't have an opinion yet

i have opinions/thoughts about certain claims during massclaim, but i'm unsure if it's worth talking about. same thing with the bargains today

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oh yeah like that

i suppose it makes sense for a scum!krazy to actually try and simulate what is expected of him when pressured.

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i might be biased because i townread Krazy for his exchange with Ali earlier about gaslighting (had similar feelings, sorry Ali)

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Like I don’t see how you can look at these posts Krazy is pushing out and say confidently “Oh yeah, that’s town for sho”

i don't townread his push

but

i questioned dann's not reconsidering when Krazy was doing what he should be doing according to dann

and I don't think scum is gonna start fighting against Ali for 'gaslighting' when that helps scum more then town

i know, unpopular opinion and all but i'm not here to sheep you blindly

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Can you unpack this for me? I’m not followingWhen/where exactly were you questioning me?

could have been more clear about that

i wasn't questioning you about that in game, it was in my head :s

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The answer is in the quote you made tho

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woopie got in between us there, mine was @ dann

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can we start voting plz?

where's ALi

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interesting

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btw didn't get the fruit

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PEDIT: SHUT UP WE THOUGHT IT WAS A HIGH SKILL MOVE

its not lol.

anyone could figure that out if they took two seconds to access the situation.

also ur still not technically right if wooper is confirmed because maria could have healed the kill. Or Pine decided to troll and no kill.

what's wrong? feeling uncomfortable having wooper as conftown?

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his case on me d..4? was so bad faithy

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hmmm Pine trying to discredit Ali's save makes me feel good

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Fire, what happened to your Gamma tunnel?

What makes me so confirmed scum to you, today, that you prefer me as the lynch over anyone else?

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Mena, half your solve died last night

What’s your new one

I don’t have one yet

i liked this callout from Dann, and it hasn't been answered yet