Mini 2110: I hate Mafia (Day 8)

[DrDolittle]

i don't feel like responding to all the stuff ive missed so here's my reads list. sheep me


town:

me
wake
hectic
drdolittle

prob town:

pyrrha
gyro (mostly for how he voted for me)

mime:

enter
gamma

needs sorting

farkran (i don't know, i'm leaning both ways)
creature (leaning prob town but could see this being mime)
map wolf (is mostly just fluff. if this is mime its for trying to coast, but could also just be coasting town.)
pine hasn't posted??

I am not mime. If I was, I'd be doing a terrible job. I just have no idea how I want to approach this game.

This is a v v town mentality

[DrDolittle]

I'm less sold on hectic and enter tho, but I always scum read hectic :<

[Gyro Zeppeli]

VOTE: hectic

[Hectic]

Fypov, how does my wanting not to lynch you today mime indicative? I’m liking your approach to the game and think it’s suboptimal for you to die today, which according post 404, you don’t want anyway but I’m not opposed to it either.

What I found Mime-indicative about your post was you saying Venmar gets towncred for correctly townreading Rau. Literally everyone in the game was townreading Rau, so I don't like that line of reasoning.

And yeah, would rather not be lynched today but I understand that's slightly selfish, so if you want to lynch me anyway, go for it.

[Hectic]

I'm less sold on hectic and enter tho, but I always scum read hectic :<

That's fine, I don't mind you scumreading me this game

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Why are people townreading DDL? I didn't really like anything from his ISO, and he feels similar to the last game I played with scum!him where he was popping in with opinions but not many explanations.

[Hectic]

I wanted to offer, I just wanted him to either give some reads or at least have some clue what the plan is first. :/

Also, I find this slightly Mime-indicative. Could be Mime!Pyrrha giving excuses for why she didn't volunteer.

[Hectic]

I am not mime. If I was, I'd be doing a terrible job. I just have no idea how I want to approach this game.

Treat it like any other game. Talk about reads and interactions, it's still about solving alignments and finding out who's scummy/towny.
You haven't done much this game, but at second thought, that might just be lazy town. Mimes really need to be active to have a chance of being lynched in this format.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

My thoughts, I tr both Hectic, DDL but would prefer they stay around awhile longer, DDL more than Hectic, so I guess that would leave Venmar and Farkran, I guess. I had doubts on Venmar but after Rauth flip, I’m leaning town on him. I’m okay with either being the next lynch.

Why do you want me to stay? I'm putting in epsilon effort this game.

I liked some of your posts. I thought they were helpful to the game but you make a very good point. You would be even more of an asset if you put more effort into the game, so I hope you will post more.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I am really confused is this game supposed to be a flipless or rauth flipped with one less vote on him

I am confirming that I have made a mod error. For some strange reason when I flipped Rauth I thought this game was a micro. I apologize for such a blatant mistake.

I don’t know, I’m still extremely confused by this.

[Venmar]

@mod

- just for the record rauth got lynched with 5 votes based on the votecount because you counted my vote despite me unvoting

[Hectic]

The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Fypov, how does my wanting not to lynch you today mime indicative? I’m liking your approach to the game and think it’s suboptimal for you to die today, which according post 404, you don’t want anyway but I’m not opposed to it either.

What I found Mime-indicative about your post was you saying Venmar gets towncred for correctly townreading Rau. Literally everyone in the game was townreading Rau, so I don't like that line of reasoning.

And yeah, would rather not be lynched today but I understand that's slightly selfish, so if you want to lynch me anyway, go for it.

Because he was the first but I realized that could also be TMI too. I would very likely be mime reading him if Rauth had flipped mime.

You are a strong townread of mine, so you’re a safe lynch.

[Hectic]

A real shame because he should've stuck around to help us.
I've always had faith in him since that Grand Idea UPick game we had together.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Marcel Marceau

[Farkran]

I'm starting to think all these "i want X alive longer" actually mean "i don't want to lynch there because i know he's town, let's pick a different target until i can find some solid reason to scumread the consensus lynch".

There are several samples of this specific mindset coming from Enter, Pyrrha, Map Wolf and Hectic. Among those, i'm mostly suspicious of Pyrrha and Map Wolf - there's no real reason to wait on Hectic now that he produced reads (which i mostly agree with), and i don't like talking about myself but i also produced a lot of content, although my reads have't been confirmed in any possible way. I mean, there's no reason to say i am better than anyone else, nor Hectic, until our reads flip and we're proven right or wrong. I feel like wanting to stall townread lynches is becoming a mime trend to lead lynches on mimes.

I mean, if we are to follow rauth strat, we need to lynch in {Enter, Hectic, Farkran, DDL, Venmar}. Out of these i'm townreading Enter and Hectic the most, and now that Hectic produced reads i have no reserves in giving him the peace he deserves.

VOTE: Hectic

RIP

[Venmar]

The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.

i mean pine hasn't posted yet so this game might've as well have been smaller. either way the mod counted 6 votes when there were actually 5.

@mod

also has pine been prodded yet?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Why are people townreading DDL? I didn't really like anything from his ISO, and he feels similar to the last game I played with scum!him where he was popping in with opinions but not many explanations.

Well, fair I guess. So, I suppose a townlean would make more sense but do you see him pushing a mimey agenda? And the other players you mentioned, what are your reasons for mime reading them?

[Venmar]

hectic flipping town would make me feel slightly more comfortable with him being town but i'd still scum read him. i'm willing to lynch him because i think a lot of people disagree with me on my read of him and i'd rather get him over with sooner rather than flip him late and then realize the whole read on the game is wrong or no lynch because we tried to push elsewhere and people were insistent that we flip venmar. i also don't want any of his posts in the thread anymore, i think a large portion of them are largely counter to what is productive and helpful for town, and i can get into this more when i get back from work tonight.

i think what will bother you the most though is that if we actually do lynch me, it's probably going to be with most people thinking i'll flip town, which i will, rather than them agreeing with you, and you'll be even more upset.

i don't know what i did to hurt you to deserve this personal tunneling but hey, i'm getting a kick out of it

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wanted to offer, I just wanted him to either give some reads or at least have some clue what the plan is first. :/

Also, I find this slightly Mime-indicative. Could be Mime!Pyrrha giving excuses for why she didn't volunteer.

And why wouldn’t I volunteer as mime? Why would I care about Rauth’s plan or more importantly, alignment?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod

- just for the record rauth got lynched with 5 votes based on the votecount because you counted my vote despite me unvoting

The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.

Wait, so Rauth was flipped by mistake?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm starting to think all these "i want X alive longer" actually mean "i don't want to lynch there because i know he's town, let's pick a different target until i can find some solid reason to scumread the consensus lynch".

There are several samples of this specific mindset coming from Enter, Pyrrha, Map Wolf and Hectic. Among those, i'm mostly suspicious of Pyrrha and Map Wolf - there's no real reason to wait on Hectic now that he produced reads (which i mostly agree with), and i don't like talking about myself but i also produced a lot of content, although my reads have't been confirmed in any possible way. I mean, there's no reason to say i am better than anyone else, nor Hectic, until our reads flip and we're proven right or wrong. I feel like wanting to stall townread lynches is becoming a mime trend to lead lynches on mimes.

I mean, if we are to follow rauth strat, we need to lynch in {Enter, Hectic, Farkran, DDL, Venmar}. Out of these i'm townreading Enter and Hectic the most, and now that Hectic produced reads i have no reserves in giving him the peace he deserves.

VOTE: Hectic

RIP

Why is wanting to keep around a consensus tr longer bad, if they’re helping advance the gamestate?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

The mod flipped Rau 1 vote early because he thought there were less players in the game and majority had been resched.

i mean pine hasn't posted yet so this game might've as well have been smaller. either way the mod counted 6 votes when there were actually 5.

@mod

also has pine been prodded yet?

So, was his lynch a mistake then?

[Venmar]

Why are people townreading DDL? I didn't really like anything from his ISO, and he feels similar to the last game I played with scum!him where he was popping in with opinions but not many explanations.

to be completely honest, i like the vibe of his posts for the most part, and i think more people have mime equity than him in my eyes so it's a bit PoE as well. it's not an irontight read though

Why is wanting to keep around a consensus tr longer bad, if they’re helping advance the gamestate?

i don't think pyrrha is scummy for voicing this sentiment though. it feels like authentic concerned town rather than a mime, especially since pyrrha has stuck with the sentiment upon scrutiny.

actually i just read page 17 again and saw pyrrha's vote on hectic which contradicts some of what i just wrote above lol. i'd feel more comfortable with my above read if he didn't make that vote but i think pyrrha is more town than mime still.