Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[TemporalLich]

yeah, and I picked shield over sword.

what now

[TemporalLich]

chemist feels slightly towny to me, 40 feels like it would be too risky for scum to admit

[TemporalLich]

Goodra is a better pokemon than kommo-o.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: TL

I could OMGUS you for assuming you think kommo-o is better than goodra, but this vote would be scummy if I didn't OMGUS it, so I won't.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Farkran

Transparently

concerned with appearances instead of actually trying to act town.

Tryhard certainly fits but I feel Farkran is trying to fake being towny is but failing hard at it.

Serious vote btw.

pedit: I rest my case.

[TemporalLich]

If you're saying that just because I am on the Farkwagon that's gotta be a pseudo-chainsaw defense if I've ever seen one... and boy that marks you as scum

[TemporalLich]

TL is actually outed scum.
Farkran is town.

Feel free to lynch him whenever.

nice chainsaw defense, where can I get one?

[TemporalLich]

Little early to be asserting that people are chainsaw defending TL.

Little late to assume we're still in RVS...

pedit: Severa is a scumlean, don't have much to indicate Severa!scum besides the defense. If by a miracle Farkran flips town Severa falls up to null.

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity but I still prefer flipping Farkran because a green Farkran absolves Severa and Farkran has done nothing towny this game unlike Bitmap

[TemporalLich]

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity

Very interested in your reasoning about this

RVS voting GE for having 4 votes (idk)

The big reason is this:

Jumping off the Farkwagon solely because I hopped on it, which is sorta attacking me to defend Farkran and also a inverse OMGUS, and then admitting that I am only a nullread

[TemporalLich]

Alchemist is a townlean for me mostly because he seems town-motivated

[TemporalLich]

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity

Very interested in your reasoning about this

RVS voting GE for having 4 votes (idk)

The big reason is this:

Jumping off the Farkwagon solely because I hopped on it, which is sorta attacking me to defend Farkran and also a inverse OMGUS, and then admitting that I am only a nullread

Bad read... not sure if it comes from scum though. Read bitmap iso again and come back to confirm this read please?

Go read 79, 80, and 92.

You're just proving my point.

[TemporalLich]

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

[TemporalLich]

Except in the case I am town and my townreads are Farkran quality

[TemporalLich]

I have a memoriae that doesn't help scum at all, ftr

What is the point of this?

it's called a soft claim and it helps in case I get to L-3

[TemporalLich]

Why L-3?

Most people would be able to hammer with one vote at that point

[TemporalLich]

My skill memoria lets me be a double neighborizer

There are three scum so it wouldn't help scum if I were scum

I said if my townreads are bad it would be good for scum because it might add scum to a neighborhood

[TemporalLich]

So, I will run a little game related to me being a double neighborizer...

If you would pick two players to be in a neighborhood together, which two would you pick?

[TemporalLich]

It baffles me why Farkran wants me to neighborize him and his buddy...

[TemporalLich]

anyway Bitmap is not being neighborized for the horribly scummy softclaim

[TemporalLich]

TL would you agree that rolling scum is the sign of deep moral defects?

rolling scum is a sign of good luck and mystery

[TemporalLich]

Oh

What about getting D1 quicklynched as scum after being caught on page 4 as scum just like in that normal?

That's a sign that you fail at mafia and should play better

[TemporalLich]

anyway seems my question on sussing out good neighbors was a bust...

if you want to be a neighbor here are my questions to you...

1. Do you prefer Goodra or Kommo-o?
2. What is your favorite color?

pedit: no, I'm not dying D1 every game and I have a pretty poor winrate

[TemporalLich]

Are you sure you're not scum?

I am fairly sure I didn't roll scum this game.

[TemporalLich]

either way, enjoy a soft townlean for the town-motivated push

pedit: Farkran is practically guiltied scum at this point, you're not fooling me

[TemporalLich]

Farkran isn't even scummy

Explain how Farkran's ISO up to 56 isn't a terrible attempt at faking being towny

[TemporalLich]

I can't explain why it's not when I can't see a single reason to scumread him tbh

then I rest my case.

[TemporalLich]

Salamence is conf!town

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Severa

my god are you actually trying to cause a scum win by openwolfing on D1?

[TemporalLich]

anyway conf!town is an exaggeration but Salamence20 is solid town based on his ISO (especially 135 and 152) and strong associatives (Severa is likely scum but thinks Salamence20 is scum, therefore I think the two don't share alignments)/

[TemporalLich]

I'm looking for one other neighbor btw.

All I ask is whether you prefer Goodra or Kommo-o.

[TemporalLich]

Severa is 100% not going in the neighborhood

[TemporalLich]

Salamence20 likely is though!

[TemporalLich]

why would it benefit me or the town at all to neighborize guiltied scum?!?!?!?!?!??!!?

[TemporalLich]

I have a one use day parity cop ability that I used like after a little posting and Salamence20 / TemporalLich are of opposite alignments

ah, Salamence20 is literally guiltied scum fmpov then.

scratch that, most of your "guiltied scum"ness was based off Salamence20 being town, so enjoy neing neighborhood viable then

[TemporalLich]

and that parity cop check blew my reads out of the water...

VOTE: Salamence20

I'm inclined to believe the parity cop check, and think it's useful for town more than scum

[TemporalLich]

also I'm starting to warm up to Bitmap... so

who wants a Severa/Bitmap hood?

[TemporalLich]

you know what I'm going to say I'm not afraid of scum

I may live forever, but there are risks worth the reward...

[TemporalLich]

Farkran you're still a strong SR of mine...

but guiltied scum is a much better vote than just a strong SR

[TemporalLich]

what's a woat

I assume it means worst of all timelines

[TemporalLich]

So I may have been bamboozled on the Salamence guilty...

Regardless Severa strikes me as townlean now, but I still was bamboozled.

VOTE: Farkran

Because without a guilty Salamence is towny, not scummy.

[TemporalLich]

I'm slightly sure I'm effectively an effing

mason

right now

[TemporalLich]

but yeah Farkran is still a strong SR of mine so I wouldn't care too much about Farkran being a potential quickhammer

[TemporalLich]

yeah, sleep is towny

[TemporalLich]

tagepop

anyway, some insight from Shiro would indeed be nice, hopefully Shiro is town...

[TemporalLich]

that's pretty obviously a catchup post alch

[TemporalLich]

A) It’s still an odd comment for an RVS vote.

B) I thought Gamma had been here the whole time and didn’t realize they were catching up.

oh alright...

just means Gamma is NAI-weird and off-meta, not scummy

[TemporalLich]

@TL can you scumcase me properly? You have a pretty strong read on me for stating i would flip town only "by miracle".

You've already proved you're faking being towny, your newer posts consisting of you actually being towny fail to sway me.

[TemporalLich]

then again you were faking being towny in RVS so I should weaken your SR on you, but you're still my top SR so my vote stays

[TemporalLich]

You've already proved you're faking being towny

...not sure if you're being serious right now, but in case you are, can you point me to where i was faking (as opposed to where i am genuine)?

Read your ISO up to 82, that's where I thought you were faking towniness.

[TemporalLich]

What was fake about it? Tone? Content? Lamistiness?

My feelings on your RVS posts are based on tone and lamistness

[TemporalLich]

Evenstar, the lack of posts and the votes weird me out

[TemporalLich]

Suji I would give a TR

[TemporalLich]

Suji I would give a TR

Was talking to evenstar to give her a small prod, why do you TR suji though?

Suji's ISO is alright and I like 144

[TemporalLich]

Gamma Emerald's catchup seems a bit contrived but still legitimate

[TemporalLich]

if you're not committed you're trying to stall out D1, therefore Evenstar is scum

VOTE: Evenstar, even if hammer

[TemporalLich]

D1 is a terrible day, intentionally stalling out D1 by refusing to have a proper lynch vote after it being clear where your reads should be is scummy.

[TemporalLich]

okay at least you're making an attempt to not stall out the game Evenstar...

[TemporalLich]

by lacking the conviction to have an actual effing SR or at least a scumlean that isn't a compromise

[TemporalLich]

okay at least you're making an attempt to not stall out the game Evenstar...

Hastiest backtrack in all of mafia history, folks.

you know that was in response to 631 right?

Your intentional misrep makes me SR you harder.

[TemporalLich]

I'm speechless.

you at least made the best move when it comes to what is pretty much a catch-22 then...

[TemporalLich]

TL/Evenstar are you guys scum partners

do you think I would've hesitated to bus this

gentleman

for 20 pages?

like you're doing right now?

[TemporalLich]

yeah. Venus and Mars is starting to worry me...

I'm surprised you went from us tunneling each other to you putting me as a

townlean

. Did you think the interaction was TvT or something?

either way, the top and bottom reads are something I think is a little odd...

[TemporalLich]

Ehh, everyone thinks my reads are crap so idk how I can townside...

D1 is hell, just end it

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure how GE is scum ftr

This better not be a fegging compromise lynch

[TemporalLich]

I don't really know if I need a lead rist considering my reads are worthless so a lead rist provides negative insight

[TemporalLich]

I don't really know if I need a lead rist considering my reads are worthless so a lead rist provides negative insight

Meh try anyway

isn't it anti-town to intentionally detract from town's insight though?!

[TemporalLich]

alright, I'm gonna antispew then

[TemporalLich]

idk why Evenstar has me as a scum read but they aren't really the pinnacle of towniness either so whatevs

I wouldn't worry about it too much, Evenstar is likely!scum

[TemporalLich]

Here's a lead rist I guess:

[Town]

popsofctown (obv!town)
Severa (town but still potentially a deepwolf)
Bitmap (townish, was scummy)
Salamence20 (townish, failed to react to a potentially fake parity cop result)
Alchemist21 (was towny, but starting to decline into null)
Sujimichi (nullish-townlean)
Kerset (nullish)
Farkran (starting to look scummy again)
Chemist1422 (no effort, scumlean)
Venus and Mars (one post and it's nothing of substance)
Gamma Emerald (not the town!GE I know)
Evenstar (scummy, poor reads and votes)

[Scum]

[TemporalLich]

I'm neither modest nor confident right now...

[TemporalLich]

Salamence20 (townish, failed to react to a potentially fake parity cop result)

?????

What does “failed to react” mean?

as in no meaningful reaction...

unless you're that one who claimed in response, if so that doesn't change your position on the lead rist but makes you a more likely NK target

[TemporalLich]

Would you say Venus and Mars counts as Illegible Scum?

[TemporalLich]

if meta is the only reason to SR kerset... I'm gonna have to maintain my null on Kerset

[TemporalLich]

well at least I'm succeeding in causing confusion...

the scum shall not win, lest this timeline die...

[TemporalLich]

anyway, Even seems to not want to TR Severa because useless buzzword, so I don't trust Even's reads...

[TemporalLich]

also voting pops is a scumclaim right now

[TemporalLich]

well at least I'm succeeding in causing confusion...

the scum shall not win, lest this timeline die...

For a minute there I thought you were saying you were deliberately trying to cause confusion.

I wasn't trying to but I accept the result that happened...

Might not be towny, but I feel like I can't townside this game...

The townies all have really good analysis and solves... and I have next to nothing...

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Salamence20

I wasn't kidding when I said voting pops was a scumclaim

[TemporalLich]

Pops still comes off as obv!town to me

[TemporalLich]

I'm waiting for D2 mostly...

My D1 game is very weak

[TemporalLich]

ITT Salamence20 doesn't know what a 6IV ditto is

[TemporalLich]

If I had to give a meta read I'd say Gamma feels off-meta

[TemporalLich]

hmm... I still townread pops but I can see a little why pops isn't "obv!town"...

I thought pops was an obvious town leader... but there is deepwolf potential...

874 is a bit odd as well

pedit: with a naked vote off me and onto Gamma in 891 with no context, I can definitely see that.

[TemporalLich]

I don't fit a mold of anything because to fit me into a mold is to destroy the second dimension of time

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Bitmap

Don't lie about those things

[TemporalLich]

and then claim it was a "reaction test"

[TemporalLich]

Are you pulling some bs? I literally told you my real role in the pt beforehand and told you that we were going to do a reaction test.

nope

[TemporalLich]

I mean I could...

but then everyone just quicklynches me for being scum

[TemporalLich]

Can you also tell me why you didn't blow up the same way when Severa lied about his fake claim as a day vig as well?

Severa didn't claim it was a reaction test

[TemporalLich]

This game is obviously a bad fit for me, I prefer chaotic games that make no sense

[TemporalLich]

oh yeah Severa has some scum equity (whatever the heck it is), but still could be town because at least Severa managed to cover it up without bringing attention to it

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Farkran

, even if hammer

[TemporalLich]

let's get to an actual vote shall we? Farkran has not been towny, and the GE vote just makes me feel bad

[TemporalLich]

it means I have conviction, Salamence

[TemporalLich]

TL tell us about your neighborizing ability.

Is it permanent or is it each day (as in you pick 2 players every other phase?)

I think the neighborhoods don't die.

[TemporalLich]

take this as "a game I was scum in": viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80648

[TemporalLich]

yeah

[TemporalLich]

I can't answer that question

[TemporalLich]

I literally can't answer Salamence's question or I will be modkilled

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Kerset

L-4

I agree with this wagon and hate how the wagon dying is "to avoid accidental hammer" a.k.a. to avoid a correct hammer.

[TemporalLich]

not really dying, but waning

I felt like it was on a downward trend though, so dying at least made sense to me for a second

[TemporalLich]

gotta outwit those astral demons

[TemporalLich]

You know scum can easily be like "haha no try again"?

Let it be known Salamence20 intends to stall out D2

[TemporalLich]

Ebwop: remove the quote, the post refers to 1373

[TemporalLich]

we're not stalling any day except LyLo

[TemporalLich]

yeah you still want to stall D2

[TemporalLich]

salamence how does you being a rolecop have anything to do with stalling the game

[TemporalLich]

I could vote Farkran but that would put Farkran at actual L-1 according to Evenstar

[TemporalLich]

yeah Farkran does look scummy according to an ISO skim and pops has a point...

do you feel like you want D1 to last longer... because idk if there is unfinished business and I'm not stalling but not ending D1 early isn't necessarily stalling

[TemporalLich]

the lack of good wagons means we're pretty decided, Severa

[TemporalLich]

there's a good wagon on pops if you want to stop having a shitty vote

I don't know pops's meta and pops looks towny to an ISO skim... so idk

[TemporalLich]

Every "pops is scum" argument has managed to dodge me, so idk

[TemporalLich]

if I took that as an argument I'd be obviously buddied with you

that's pretty much suicide by acting obv!scum

[TemporalLich]

ok that pops comment out of nowhere was definitely weird and scummy and +associative

VOTE: popsofctown

[TemporalLich]

I don't mind being misread, but my sujimichi townread is an example of how silly your strawman is.

So 1588 was a decoy or strawman?!

Are you trying to deflect scumminess in a scummy way?

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Kerset

Doomed by associative with pops

[TemporalLich]

1 scum with a moderate chance of a SK (I'm thinking a vig tho since Venus wasn't townread, but that could also be an SK kill)?

definitely a good time for me to do a lead rist

[TemporalLich]

is that a scumslip or am I just paranoid / insane?

[TemporalLich]

yeah you just implied you have a factional kill

[TemporalLich]

alright, if you're town than the charmer is 500% likely scum

[TemporalLich]

Pretty sure we win if we just lynch Chemist, Alchemist, and Gamma.

If alchemist has been charmed how did he kill RC?

alchemist himself slipped that charm doesn't block factional kills

[TemporalLich]

strongman would be the only possibility then

[TemporalLich]

@TemporalLich

Are Bitmap’s statements about RC in the Hood true? If he’s lying and pressuring you to go with it you need to ignore it and tell us the truth.

I'm gonna need you to clarify this question...

[TemporalLich]

in the meantime, gonna bring Chemist to what I believe is 9 votes:

VOTE: Chemist1422

and I

Nth

that Chemist needs to claim now

[TemporalLich]

ebwop:

L-3

[TemporalLich]

@TemporalLich

Are Bitmap’s statements about RC in the Hood true? If he’s lying and pressuring you to go with it you need to ignore it and tell us the truth.

I'm gonna need you to clarify this question...

Bitmap says RC tried to use his Follow Up ability on Evenstar and himself. That true?

yes

[TemporalLich]

hmm... I'm still keen on voting Chemist... if chemist isn't scum then I assume Gamma is.

Sujimichi is the last one I'd consider.

Alchemist is mechanically likely to be town.

Bitmap/Farkran/Kerset is who I'd put in my townblock, with Bitmap being practically an IC fmpov.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Farkran

2799 is a solid case and the votestunner claim doesn't seem right

[TemporalLich]

Bitmap and TL you're literally throwing, get back on gamma

powerlynch this

[TemporalLich]

Bitmap and TL you're literally throwing, get back on gamma

this reaction says it all

[TemporalLich]

That reaction says that you're throwing for voting the guy who called out salamence for lying in d2, right after i was 2nd in wagon against pops.

I fullclaimed in your neighborhood, and i have proven my claim since chemist was poisoned d2. If you believe i am scum, you're throwing, there's nothing else to say

if you're trying to convince me that you're town, doubling down on your scummy reaction after it was explicitly called out for being scummy is not it

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Either you or Farkran is lying. I'm betting on green instead of purple because green is a lucky color in Dimension 3.

[TemporalLich]

I'm feeling less confident that Chemist should be in the solve but I don't wish to absolve Chemist just yet...

[TemporalLich]

GE is still the ideal lynch today

Anything less is eh, Farkran is in a weird spot according to my reads that I need to post

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist since GE is an obvious vote and idk what else is going on:

[Town]

Bitmap - I feel confident in saying I'm practically a mason with Bitmap.
Kerset - Likely town, decent ISO.
Sujimichi - Low effort but towny.
Alchemist21 - Mainly scum points for scumslipping with the Charm claim. I don't have a coherent solve right now as you can exchange Fark and Alch but Chemist and GE are static.
Farkran - Reacts a lot like scum rather than town. Otherwise a crapshoot.
Chemist1422 - Still likely scum. Was never quite good but the stun thing hurts, but new posts seem promising.
Gamma Emerald - Was always off-meta, but the claim doesn't amaze me either and GE seems to be coasting a bit now.

[Scum]

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist except formatted like a read list:

Green Class [townread]

- Bitmap, Kerset, Sujimichi

Yellow Class [potential solve]

- Alchemist21, Farkran

Red Class [viable lynch]

- Chemist1422, Gamma Emerald

[TemporalLich]

TL is scumreading half the game when there's one scum left

Exciting

This is why I prefer lead rists to read lists... lower is more likely to be scum.

Besides, even though I SR you and put you in the solve I'd much rather lynch GE.

[TemporalLich]

I like chemist's VCA...

I am willing to vote Alchemist if it helps, the VCA doesn't look good for Alchemist...

[TemporalLich]

yeah I'm strongly considering making farkran no longer a potential solve and thus making my solve [GE, Chem, Alch]

[TemporalLich]

Alchemist said that charm doesn't stop factional kills. It is a scumslip but not a damning one.

By off meta I am saying you aren't playing like your town self.

[TemporalLich]

That's not a scum slip wtf
I'd assume that is stated in the message saying you got hit by it, or he asked about it

And what is your idea of my town self because you might be off base because of not having a wide breadth of experience with me
Because like to be saying that the whole game is very bold

Yeah it's a minor slip and if Charm was stated that way that makes Alch less likely to be scum.

And I see a disparity between this game and Grand Idea UPock.

[TemporalLich]

suji confirmed his vote reduction ability

[TemporalLich]

I'm just waiting for GE to be hammered already... I'm not waiting 6 days in nothing just so we can see if Alchemist is going to flip-flop and claim near deadline

[TemporalLich]

I could vote Alchemist, but that would require a level of coordination that makes the scum look like town

[TemporalLich]

I only want to vote Alch today only if we absolutely need the Alchemist claim today though!

[TemporalLich]

yeah I'd rather just vote chemist tomorrow

[TemporalLich]

I am fine with this

[TemporalLich]

that flip potentially clears Alchemist a little... (charm is described how alch described it)

[TemporalLich]

well it's now mod confirmed

[TemporalLich]

chemist is not cleared tho

[TemporalLich]

alright. Alchemist needs to fullclaim ASAP

[TemporalLich]

I don't know, that's a question for TL

There are two separate neighborhoods with me as the only common member

[TemporalLich]

I would prefer alchemist first since chemist is stunned and there was a kill

[TemporalLich]

Intent to hammer

[TemporalLich]

nice way to spell scum, are you in dimension 6?

[TemporalLich]

nice way to spell scum, are you in dimension 6?

If he knew I was going to flip scum he wouldn't be worried about you pocketing him.

What is Dimension 6?

seems like you know too much like bitmap said...

but sadly you don't know the dimensions of timespace

Dimension 6 is the Lepth dimension, where the Mafia rules the government

[TemporalLich]

who is scum and not scum

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Alchemist21

likely hammer!

Caught scum, the neighborhood people agree with this.

[TemporalLich]

I thought you weren't immune to my ability lol

at least it got the result I wanted and that was bitmap not dying

[TemporalLich]

ftr I was still going to target bitmap for N4

because gotta keep the (fake) protection up

[TemporalLich]

i might have defected and targeted fark tho but that wouldn't protect

[TemporalLich]

but sadly I was no acting with extra steps apparently

oh well it wasn't the star of the show anyway

[TemporalLich]

if anything it was moral support

the double neighborizer ability... that was a gift from god

[TemporalLich]

and that neighborhood was made entirely from an impulse from the aether

[TemporalLich]

let it be known my night action was a night action

[TemporalLich]

I think my luck in getting two masonries might have had something to do with it

[TemporalLich]

forget blast charging, the hood is where the party is at