In post 2131, chkflip wrote:TL;DR scroll to the bolded bullet points
Let me open by making something perfectly clear. I've no qualms with Mars as a person. I've not mentioned anything revolving her personal life no matter how many times she decides to AtE and bring it up. There was a slight reach in aggression on my part that she has very ironically brought back up to push another AtF agenda after accepting an apology for it, but regardless of what she'd like you to believe? This isn't actually about that either.
My name is chkflip and this is exactly why I believe Mars is scum.
Shading
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306,
311,
390,
415,
417,
428,
435,
438,
734,
753,
787,
1715
This isn't even all of them. What's particularly important about this point is that most (if not all) of the shading comes from the fact that people dare scum read her in the slightest. What's more? 306 is her very first post in the game. Shading right out of the gate and, again, this is only the dozen times I found it to be particularly scum-driven due to the incessant need to get any and all scum vibes off of her 100% immediately. Why? What's the town play here to this degree? Do note that this is also absolutely ALL she's doing since myself and RCE have had the audacity to vote her.
Over Defensive
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306,
388,
397,
617,
771,
773
Again a repeat of above but this is what I found most telling since the recent wagon. You'll notice I'm linking a similar post -- her first one -- as it does go hand in hand with the above. There are notable instances, however, where she barks people down without shading them so I felt it necessary to differentiate the two. Same questions as above though because this does not a town slot make.
I'll ignore her insults just like she does, but that also appears in
405,
420,
428,
435,
438,
439,
440 (seriously three in a fucking row),
443, and
1338. I'm sure she'll cherry pick the one that "isn't insulting" just like she did above but hey. It's there. You can see it. When she can't shade... when she can't flex... she insults. I haven't seen this level of behavior in anybody over the years of being here at this magnitude. Sure, Internet Stranger would call me a "dong-slurping panty waist" or something more derogatory, or people like FATE and RECK get particularly under one's skin, but they don't do it like this as either alignment. And this didn't happen last game to the degree it's happening all over this thread. There was a spat with 50 -- whatever -- but she didn't look at every slot that "incorrectly" read her and went down the line on them. This isn't town meta. But we'll get to that very important point soon.
She's town! Remember! She's town!
390,
438,
442,
595,
616,
621,
744,
747,
749,
751,
770,
779,
784,
787,
793,
796,
1364,
1468,
1715 -- again, stopped keeping track.
What town has to make sure they remind you 19+ times how town they are? The kicker here is that the first time she did it wasn't even that many posts into the game for her. It's an agenda. You'll town read her or else. Town doesn't do that.
Now, the more important parts. The real meat and potatoes for all the butter on top of this post.
Aware of Town Meta
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737,
739,
747,
779,
784
I think it should go without saying but I'll say it anyway. Scum players -- the good ones, at least -- recognize their town meta. They play to it. And this is me nodding that, yes, Mars is fairly competent as scum because she knows exactly how to play to you. She outlines it here. She's purposefully adapting to what she absolutely knows is her town meta so that she can glide through the early phases of this game. Top that with a viably non-threatening claim and she can easily continue these antics throughout most if not all of the rest of the game. She's playing you.
Let's also point out that Venus (you didn't think I'd forget about you, did you buddy?) plays to this as well in
1001. He not only tries to remind you of what he did last game, but he openly mocks that his lack of playing used to be a scum tell. Are we sure it still isn't?
He also straight up
role fishes
in
1409 and
1410 by asking questions town absolutely has no business knowing the answers to at this point in the game.
Mars
calls Vecna to scum hunt when he's under preasure
in
1476 but only does so herself recently after I call her out on it.
Now, here are the final two and frankly most important parts of this case. For the thing she's calling herself lockobvonehundoabsolutelytown over? Her role? Even her partner agrees in
330 and
1405 that role =/= alignment. Her role absolutely does not mean she's town.
Last but not least,
cognitive dissonance
. In
666 and
741 she openly calls Vecna town for his openness and posting. Then, when the Vecna wagon began, that drops without warning in
801 and then full swing in
897,
899, and the icing on the cake with
901 where she literally quotes the posts she was town-reading Vecna for in 666 and 741. This isn't just a town read transitioning into a scum read. There's literally no transition and no fucks given throughout. She then jumps off as she sees the wagon dying to fall back on, what, the fourth? Fifth OMGUS vote?
Oh. And she obviously didn't "learn from prematurely claiming" last game as she said in
1396 from "scum rolefishing"... She's literally doing everything she can think of to repeat her town games.
Nobody goes out of their way to do all that as town.
Venus and Mars are scum.
