mini 2126: the game is OVRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eddie Cane]

My mafia team doesn't have day chat, so I would like to tell them that Auro is not a PR.

[Eddie Cane]

Dannflor feels like a PR.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not sure, I'd lean VT.

[Eddie Cane]

I think the fact nobody has commented on me this game spews me town, because my partners haven't tried to fake interactions.

[Eddie Cane]

My mafia team has informed me we do, in fact, have day chat. Apologies.

[Eddie Cane]

I would rather keep active lurking if it's all the same to you.

[Eddie Cane]

I really like rce for town, and I know I can get him pocketed if I keep repeating that.

[Eddie Cane]

Coward.

[Eddie Cane]

I have no opinion on whether either of those players share my alignment.

[Eddie Cane]

Its probably more exciting than this game.

[Eddie Cane]

Its probably more exciting than this game.

it makes me sad that i invited u and ur not having fun

I wouldn't say

un

fun. Its not like I'm mad I'm here.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie I'll heal you night 1 if you stop this tomfoolery

Indeed I am alert my play is ripe with malfeasance, but alas.

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie how can i get u mad then so the next step after is fun for u.

I do love getting mad. Wanna kill Dannflor for voting on me?

[Eddie Cane]

I have an idea. Let's make an alliance and kill people. This is an apocalyptic Earth we are living in, and fuck mafia and town, we need allies.

I would like to invite Pine, OkaPoka, Firebringer, Auro, and Alchemist to my alliance.

[Eddie Cane]

Alliance is independent of alignment, but simply, a voting bloc. I am okay kicking Alchemist out. I must insist on Pine's inclusion.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Eddie Cane]

Alright

Eddie, Oka, Fire, Auro

3 more and we have auto

[Eddie Cane]

On one hand, I think clidd is scummier than Dann.

On the other hand,lynching Dann day 1 is funnier regardless of his flip.

[Eddie Cane]

I have never played with clidd but all of his posts sound like scum trying too hard.

[Eddie Cane]

Yes, but Clidd, assuming you’re correct based on a page 6 read is insanely ignorant, and post game, if you are town, you should really take consideration in seeing the weaknesses in your play, in addition to learning how even if you think someone is scum, you still need to be able to work with said player in the case you are wrong, which you are here.

you kinda sound like you know you're talking to town

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie Cane has a personality where he can do this

You know who I am?

[Eddie Cane]

I wanna say that this is happening while at the same time the presence itself is seeming to still be at the forefront, but the gamestate manipulation is in full effect behind the scenes.

were you never taught that using big words for no reason does not make you sound smarter?

[Eddie Cane]

But I like the choice of discredit play.

Yes, making fun of your grammar is discrediting. You got me.

[Eddie Cane]

You don't know me very well if you think this is my mafia play.

[Eddie Cane]

Your posting style admittedly sounds familiar.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, would you consider Comical close to locktown at this point?

I'm the cop, so I don't need reads.

[Eddie Cane]

You’re fine with me for now, skirt skirt

[Eddie Cane]

I honestly have 0 real reads.

[Eddie Cane]

That's a lot of words to say "Eddie is a PR nightkill him".

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Auro

[Eddie Cane]

What if I'm just baiting our enemies out from hiding?

[Eddie Cane]

Just letting you guys know I am lurking until I can "accidentally" lolhammer.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Pine

[Eddie Cane]

I now have one read.

[Eddie Cane]

did I actually hammer or is this a reaction test

[Eddie Cane]

Fuck I'm outed

[Eddie Cane]

I think all 3 scum are on the wagon

Unless hes mafia

In which case I'm confirrmd town

[Eddie Cane]

That's ok, I'm probably voting you today.

[Eddie Cane]

Well, I have a pretty hard guilty on RCE, and likely a counter claim to Eddie Cane, but he was pushing that as a “joke” claim, sure, but you can see I was seeing EC as scum yesterDay before our interactions anyways.

You claimed a guilty?

[Eddie Cane]

Spicey take:

Eddie Cane, Luna Fox, and Penguinpower are the scumteam.

Looks a little worse for Luna here, but regardless, I feel EC is scum here.

If you think with the level of effort I'm putting into this game, I kill the person who begged me to sign up, you're on crack.

[Eddie Cane]

Don’t get me wrong, I’ll lynch RCEnigma. But I don’t think we have to have to today.

Dannflorr has town equity because of that and EC/RCE setting gamestate up against them both casually.

This is 100% a scum!FL move to hold a 1v1 without actually needing to have the 1v1.

Prove your guilty.

I mean, if I flip green he (should) be quicklynched, and I dont care enough about this game to reevaluate. So hes picking the wrong 1v1.

[Eddie Cane]

I don’t think EC needs to claim.

EC is not going to claim.

[Eddie Cane]

Do you really believe this to be true regardless of who Comical is?

Flavor is probably scum, yes.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie Cane will be a cop, psychologist, a ninja, or a traitor

[Eddie Cane]

I don't really know why I think PenguinPower is town, but I do.

[Eddie Cane]

Lol

[Eddie Cane]

Ignoring reads on alignment, I think Schadd could potentially put two gunsmiths in a game because he's that kind of troll. I guess I could mod meta if I care. Factoring alignment reads, there's potentially a scum in there anyways.

[Eddie Cane]

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

[Eddie Cane]

RCE's claim is pretty scummy, but I town read his play independently.

[Eddie Cane]

We should let the Night Kills resolve them. We've all been in a Normal with 2 vigs before so 2 Gunsmiths is a possibility to me.

I now agree both are probably not good lynches today. If I was going to lynch one, it would always be Comical, but its probably better to lynch outside.

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

I was also actively trying to figure out if RCE was a Vig or not because if he was, I would have stepped away for a second.

He claimed it super fast, AND it does solve the has a gun thing, I think it’s likely town, but tinfoil scum, if that makes sense.

You're right, and his reaction of not knowing the GS guiltied other GS looked pretty real to me.

[Eddie Cane]

Hmm. So scum!Comical would have to be a rolecop or a gunsmith to know RCE's role. It is a strange push because he would assume RCE is a vig if he's gunsmith, which just gets him shot. I'd imagine he's a better night kill n2 with GS results. Rolecop with another fake gunsmith gambit, maybe.

I'm actually inclined to believe FL is t a rolecop here. He'd see I'm even night and propose me for the nk before I get a result. Idk if scum gunsmith is a thing but I could see scum viewing a possible vig as a threat and claiming a guilty there.

This is actually a good point too. There's no reason not to just nightkill you n2 without comment, with no reason to doctor you. This is interesting.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't even think town with guns need to be outed, could just as easily be mafia docs and no town with guns. That said, with 2 VT dead, yea, mass claiming should be fine. I like the logic puzzle of parsing claims anyways.

[Eddie Cane]

Apparently. Should've been popcorn style I reckon.

[Eddie Cane]

Dunno if I agree

[Eddie Cane]

Auro, Luna Fox, Alchemist

If you're town I actually dont think that's a terrible solve.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Auro

[Eddie Cane]

I'd kill Auro with fire right now

[Eddie Cane]

Alch vs Auro is probably a good place to go today

[Eddie Cane]

MURDER AURO

[Eddie Cane]

sorry I meant to put that in my mafia PT

[Eddie Cane]

Seriously, though - Eddie, I'll need you to play the game if I'm the lynch today.

I lolhammered my second favorite person in this game dude you think I'm playin any kinda game?

[Eddie Cane]

Why would you both target the same person

[Eddie Cane]

I had Auro as lock town very early in WF. I think he is scum here.

[Eddie Cane]

Okay - is this a serious read?
Would you BoP yourself on this read?
Explain your process of reading me.

That I think you're scum? Mildly
No.
In WF, I (via Dann) spoke up to defend you early day 1 and throughout the game. I felt strongly you were town, even when you had a 3 town wagon. This game, I have not got any town pings from your content.

[Eddie Cane]

You felt town. Don't have more than that, sorry.

[Eddie Cane]

Correct.
Correct. I think this has been an incredibly uninteresting game, and I have very few town as well.
Because the mafia could be doctors, you seem to very strongly want to be checked which indicates you'd be a doctor, and these are weak questions.

[Eddie Cane]

{Comical}
{OkaPoka, Luna}
{Penguin, Dannfloor}
{Clidd}
--Null--
{RCEnigma, Eddie Cane}
{Alchemist, iDanyBoi}

Also, I think having Comical as the townier of the gunsmiths is absurd. Especially with him being your top town and RCE being a scum lean.

[Eddie Cane]

The game would probably be more interesting with you alive. But lack of effort is a site meta problem, unless you want to case that its AI for any of the many people in this game doing it?

[Eddie Cane]

I haven't prodded on anyone about anything all game.

Who is scummy based on 1180? Alch?

I don't care about experience with Boon, I've played with him tons. Having him as town is fine. Having him as townier by so much than RCE who is very town to me does not seem like a town perspective. I could be completely wrong on RCE, sure, but I feel very good about him being town, and Comical should objectively be a weaker read IMO. I dunno if I think you're partners with Comical or spewing / pocketing, but it doesn't feel real.

[Eddie Cane]

Why can't mafia be just as unaware of the Cop stuff though? I don't see how that's AI.

[Eddie Cane]

I st ill want to kill Auro, by the way.

[Eddie Cane]

They'd have a scum PT. After seeing you claim, you don't think they'd discuss killing you over it at night?
Like an entire scumteam of 3 would have to realize there's no cop in the setup.

This is actually terrible.

[Eddie Cane]

And I'm going to go back to not posting game relevant stuff because I don't care.

Good luck friends!

[Eddie Cane]

I actually thought Auro said something townie somewhat recently, that made me a bit less confident. But I think everything he's followed up with has been wolfy.

eddie are you just flexing with how much you can get away with as scum on ms.net to prove how we all suck

as town, yee

[Eddie Cane]

r u sad that eddie cane scumreads you

why would you BoP me in a game i'm actively not playing

[Eddie Cane]

i guess dann scum and eddie town doesn't make sense

why? i haven't town read dann

[Eddie Cane]

i think dann scum would pew pew eddie town

eh.

[Eddie Cane]

Dann has not projected town this game. You have not projected town this game. Oka has not projected town this game. And whoever is town in there is making this harder than it has to be.

[Eddie Cane]

I mean sure. But I joined because Fire convinced me to play, and mafia capped him night 1. I dunno who makes anti-fun kills but that was my motivation to play.

[Eddie Cane]

I can say ya'll are playing bad while simultaneously playing like shit myself.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

Level 1 play time. Killing Clidd, Alch, Luna, Penguin, or Dann today.

[Eddie Cane]

If Dann Eddie is the scum team we kill a rando, not fire. Move on.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm also 90% sure if I was scum with Dann I would just control the game, that's usually what I do when I roll with a strong partner. Ask Boon about all of the games we've wolfed together. You don't need to play well to win as scum with loud teammates.

[Eddie Cane]

Now I'm just daydreaming about having rolled mafia this game, and getting the easiest win of my life. Would have been nice. Ah, could have been with Dann. We'd have mislynched Pine day 1 and got away with lolhammering. Shoot RCE for being obvious PR. Open wolf for the full game. Alas.

[Eddie Cane]

Shoot RCE for being obvious PR

What in his D1 play made him obvious PR?

[Eddie Cane]

Can you cite scum clidd not doing that and town clidd doing that?

[Eddie Cane]

I also think RCE is more likely to be scum out of the Comical/RCE duo, if one of them is indeed scum

I think Eddie Cane is going to hit me with a shoe for saying that though

Could be wrong.

[Eddie Cane]

I’m hard gut reading Dann as town, which means EC is scum, but i don’t think they’re ever scum together, but I do think ts getting planted that they could be if one of them flips scum.

Why can't we both be town?

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

Level 1 play time. Killing Clidd, Alch, Luna, Penguin, or Dann today.

Pine (7): Alchemist21, Firebringer, OkaPoka, Dannflor, Auro, Comical, Eddie Cane

VOTE: Dannflor

[Eddie Cane]

Scum were on the Pine wagon.
Scum were in Fire's scum reads.
Therefore, Dann is scum.

[Eddie Cane]

It does not apply to me because I am town.

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie how can i get u mad then so the next step after is fun for u.

I do love getting mad. Wanna kill Dannflor for voting on me?

i am already voting him.

let me just tell you that its a very frustrating thing to feel

can u sympathize with that

I think frustration manifests differently in scum and town

it can manifest in very much the same way so like this isn't a damning tell or whatever

but town frustration is almost always gonna be outwardly emotional and inconsistent

while scum frustration has a decent chance to cause the player to act *more* reserved and consistent in order to somehow fix things

do you think scum can type this ?

that's a theory post. anyone can post it as any alignment

like idk

I'd like to think scum normally goes back to actually check who was voting them

while town can very easily get flustered/indignant and think the whole world is out to get them when pressured early for seemingly no reason

It's not outside of any scum meta and I don't have experience with clidd, but it just strikes me as a lot less careful than scum under pressure should be prone to be

and this

same with this post.

I think Dannflor is almost 100% mafia.

[Eddie Cane]

Do you expect that reasoning to be convincing to other people?

When scumhunting, mechanical information is far more consistently reliable than going by reads. It is a safe assumption scum is inclined towards coalescing on a flashwagon when an opportunity presents itself. Dannflor finds himself positioned in the optimal place for scum to be situated, operating precisely central regarding the overall wagon dynamics. It is in the prime position to provide momentum while not otherwise appearing scummy to a neutral outside observer. Additionally, a night kill typically involves at least somewhat correct reads. Out of the six slots Firebringer pressured, odds dictate a minimum of one scum is likely to manifest. Dannflor fits the build as well. The evidence against Dannflor creates almost a certainty that he is, in fact, scum, despite the fallacious opinions presented by a combined allotment of malicious and ignorant posters.

[Eddie Cane]

I am going to systematically lynch and night kill my friends in this game.

[Eddie Cane]

EC and I also have opposite reads.

Jokes on you, I don't have reads

[Eddie Cane]

eddie i healed you and watched you last night are you telling me that i wasted all of those night actions on a memer

So Fire was the vig kill and I was saved from the mafia kill by you?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: DANNFLOR

[Eddie Cane]

move on to me i dare you

i really want to but i also want eddie to wine and dine me into voting you

tbh i think if i had a confident read i could just clout kill them i don't need to waste wine

[Eddie Cane]

what if

hear me out

this is a long term strategic play because i'm a PR waiting until LYLO to reveal my investigative results and auto win

[Eddie Cane]

dreamer

[Eddie Cane]

I do not like Eddie votes either

[Eddie Cane]

I am invincible

[Eddie Cane]

I am inevitable

[Eddie Cane]

that looks like it was meant for the scum PT

[Eddie Cane]

Imagine how sick my play is if I'm scum

[Eddie Cane]

I think vigging me is anti town

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Eddie

[Eddie Cane]

I am actively lurking.

[Eddie Cane]

Unreasonable expectations

[Eddie Cane]

I'm awake

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Alchemist

[Eddie Cane]

I'd kill Something Smart too tbh

[Eddie Cane]

this is the pivotal point where i commit to trying or commit to throwing

[Eddie Cane]

oh look, something I only do as town

[Eddie Cane]

never voted myself as scum

[Eddie Cane]

done it in plenty of town games

[Eddie Cane]

how about i list off people who i feel like wont lynch idany

eddie cane, comical, penguin, rcenigma

that's 3 or 4 town

So no one's explicitly townreading iDany or opposing his lynch, yes?

i explicitly do not town read iDany

replacing dannflor. prodding rcenigma

this is the worst timeline

[Eddie Cane]

Was he at L-1? I thought that was Luna.

[Eddie Cane]

Dany's PoE is probably 3 or more town, but he seems like the type of player that would be bad at the game so I don't know if that's scummy of him.

[Eddie Cane]

i hard claim cop

[Eddie Cane]

hello, here is your one serious post from me

Eddie Cane (5): iDanyboy, OkaPoka, Luna Fox, Something_Smart, Auro

dany is the dude who was at l-1 twice including last page and who i did not hammer despite obviously being able to get away with it, makes perfect sence he'd vote me with the people who were wagoning him
and i think the notion that oka/luna/ss/auro are 4 town is laughable

good luck dumbfucks, especially whatever dumbfucks are town voting me.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

To give him a taste of what he did to MY PINE

i hammered pine, scum killed fire, and dann repped out. 1/3rd of this game being ruined is my fault >:(

[Eddie Cane]

i can spam post to look like nervous desperate scum until penguin or alch hammer me though!!!

[Eddie Cane]

i'm the cop, idiot

[Eddie Cane]

eddie I think its laughable that you have some magical expectation for us to townread you

i can explain why mechanically its terrible to lynch me

1) 0 people have spoken up to defend and/or town read me, all game, except dannflor who's read was super over the top day 1 and looked like spew
2) i have openly not pushed any agenda
3) i have never played like this as either alignment on this site before, citably. this means i am more likely to be town by default, 75% of the time.
4) the no voters on me include both claimed gunsmiths, who are also arguably the two most widely town read slots in the game
5) i did not hammer iDumboy either time he was at l-1, when i can clearly get away with it (ie Pine), and he had expressed a scum read on me
6) the wagon on me also does not include alchemist, who i am pretty clearly unaligned from
7) lynching the best town player in the game as a second consecutive mislynch with no other strong pushes will almost certainly result in a town loss, if i am town
8) i could put a point about how from oka's point of view me being scum makes even less sense than other people's, but he's probably mafia so that's moot.


i

would

be happy to be lynched so i can stop checking this site and tell fire he's not allowed to recruit me to games again, but unfortunately i do not throw so i at least need to point out how stupid this lynch is, before it happens.

[Eddie Cane]

Vote oka with me then?

i'm deciding between Oka, Dany, SS, Alch atm. Auro previously, but probably not a consideration today. his read on SS is the weirdest thing from him to me.

[Eddie Cane]

You being the "best town player" this game is empty if you're going to 0/ε-effort, no?

i mean, that's a comment in jest. i'm pretty clearly playing like a turd this game.

[Eddie Cane]

1) 0 people have spoken up to defend and/or town read me, all game, except dannflor who's read was super over the top day 1 and looked like spew

You agree with me on this so vote Dannflor with me.

VOTE: Dannflor

i'm moving away from wanting to kill you, but i very much want to kill a voter on me. dann is a better wagon that most of the game though.

Eddie those are pretty much all terrible reasons, especially the premise that your partners wouldn't be bussing you here.

so you agree we should be killing a voter on me then!

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, help me see town!Alch.

Dann's getting replaced, we should let the replacement post.

see town!Alch? I was just voting him 2 pages ago. him not being on my wagon + pushing dann for a pretty good reason is the towniest thing about him from my pov.

[Eddie Cane]

lol eddie don't be fucking ridiculous

i respect you the most out of this entire playerlist and given you three weeks to coast and in post game you'll see i protected you at night because i think your the best player and you've done jack squat to deserve a single townread this game

your AtE right now is bullshit coming from someone who "doesn't give a fuck" and frankly I regret giving you the courtesy of letting you get away with coasting away this game until it dies

protecting the cop is a good play

[Eddie Cane]

why do the gunsmiths not exist

[Eddie Cane]

How do we know you're not a traitor, Eddie?

i actually have a good answer to this even though you're joking

i have been waiting my entire mafiascum career to roll traitor, i am very excited for it. this is not very excited about his role eddie.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie those are pretty much all terrible reasons

they aren't! I am bored and I am going to go through who my partners could be because I like talking about myself, though.

SS - pretty clearly not with him, with how he's talking about me
Oka - pretty clearly not with him, with how he's talking about me
Dannslot - he gave a very clearly not partner read on me day 1, that could arguably be scum spewing a town (or town!Dann having a good read)
Comical - pretty clearly not with him with our interactions before/around his claim
Alchemist - meh, I've pushed him quite a bit, think its a stretch to pair us, as if he's my partner its completely unnecessary to push him given gamestate
Dany - this is actually probably my least likely partner in the game. i chose not to hammer him, so if we were partners, we were aligning. except that's not the case, because he very happily voted me, has had me as a scum read consistently, and did not vote Oka, who had wagoned him. so it doesn't really work in either world.

Auro, who let the wagon get up to l-1 on me, with penguin threatening to hammer me, and did not flinch? And I think out interactions are pretty not partnery all game either way.
Luna, I guess could be scum bussing me
RCE, who is a pretty universal town read
Penguin, sure, this one works.

There are different ways to evaluate mafia. But eventually, you'll realize that almost everyone has =rand reads, long term. The way to edge a high win % out is to gain advantages in other ways. Some players like RC make themselves unlynchable as either alignment, a massive advantage to overall win %. Some players like NSG don't try as scum, a massive advantage to town games. Other than that, you can choose mechanical stuff, like analyzing for partner interactions. Because you might not be able to independently find scum, but you find not-scum partners, and parse reads in other ways. Occam's razor means if I have this few potential partners, I am probably just town. Tunnels are a thing, and/or frustration at previous play, or a comment I made, or whatever it is. These are similar to policy lynches, and help scum win games. It is tough for you to not want to vote me! Because if I am scum, I have played like a turd all game, and open wolfed trolled on your asses. So you'd rather, consciously or subconsciously, lose to somebody who's playing the game, rather than somebody who it would just be embarassing to lose to, even though there's no real reason to think I'm scum. The argument "scum would be bussing me" doesn't hold water, because the two most universally tr'd people are not voting me, and if one of them is scum that makes me town, and if one is scum with me then they are not bussing and you're wrong anyways! These are the things you'll pick up eventually. Mafia is more than "this person sounds townie".

[Eddie Cane]

Dany - this is actually probably my least likely partner in the game. i chose not to hammer him, so if we were partners, we were aligning. except that's not the case, because he very happily voted me, has had me as a scum read consistently, and did not vote Oka, who had wagoned him. so it doesn't really work in either world.

I strongly disagree with this, actually. If you're scum, you're obviously not aiming to live very long, and dropping two lolhammers one of which was on scum wouldn't really save you.

Do you want the wifom rebuttal or the mechanical rebuttal?

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie, I don't see why RCE is a townread at all.
Can you also tell me who you think Alch's partners would be if he's scum?

Personally, I really liked RCE I liked for his EoD1 posting, and originally early in the day stuff + gunsmith claim. He's completely dropped off, that much is true. Outside of me, I got the vibe he is UTR, but maybe that's wrong.

I haven't really read for partners in other people in detail, yet. You/SS are probably aligned with how the gamestate is, leaning town vs scum partners. Alch is not distancing with Dann, for example. That's not the way partner pushes another partner. He's also not with you, I don't think. But that's just reads from memory, not from actual posting.

[Eddie Cane]

The argument "scum would be bussing me" doesn't hold water, because the two most universally tr'd people are not voting me, and if one of them is scum that makes me town, and if one is scum with me then they are not bussing and you're wrong anyways!

What?

If I am scum with one or two of Comical and RCE: then scum are not bussing me, because scum has been aligning all game.
If one or two of Comical and RCE are scum and I am town: scum are not bussing me, because I am town.
If all of us are town: then I am town.
If both of them are town and I am scum: then bussing me today is throwing, because Oka is a free lynch and even ignoring that, I have both town PRs pocketed.

[Eddie Cane]

Do you want the wifom rebuttal or the mechanical rebuttal?

I want you to stop spitting out garbage and engage with us on a level that we can actually understand.

And it's not that I don't understand what you're trying to say, you're just not giving any evidence or reasoning apart from WIFOM, and even if people's reads are random on average, good evidence and good reasoning still exists and is still possible to give.

What you said about Dany is on that level, and it's about the only thing you said that is. So I want you to continue to talk on that level, whatever that entails.

"Reads" are bad. Tone, flow, individual post, content, whatever - reads are bad. You can keep playing with them because its more fun - I do! But reads are bad. What I am spitting out is "wifom" as much as the fact literally anything in a game is wifom. Handwaving shit away as wifom is how scum dismiss true statements and how town loses games.

The wifom argument is if you think me as scum with anybody in this game except Boon would be okay being bussed, that's laughable.

Imagine the world with me and Dany. My above post explains the PRs. I will explain again. If I am scum with one of the PRs refer to the below post. If I am scum, I have both PRs pocketed - RCE and Comical both town read me and have defended me vocally. This makes bussing me bad! The people with swing and power in the game are aligned with me. Bussing me, if both of them are town, is actually donkey. Dany has the perfect reason to not vote me - I did not hammer him! In contrast, Oka, one of his biggest pushers, is a major wagon. If he gets the bus off me, he gets by far the least credit, compared to Oka and SS and probably Auro too (at the time). Instead, he makes the person who previously strongly scum read him, Oka, almost confirmed town, kills a scum partner who was not very widely scum read, and is still scum read by several people (even if that will lighten up a little with the bus vote). Bussing needlessly is a fuckin site trend. You need to consider state of the game. And, if we are trying to distance, then I didn't meaningfully push him all game or even comment on him, so that still doesn't make sense? Because I'm not actively distancing him. And also, if Dany is bussing he's playing for late game, but he's clearly not that invested here with the Ellitell on him.

A lot of that logic applies to Luna, but she's a more reasonable slot to think could be sneaking a bus vote in, even though I think that exact reasoning is why thinking she's a bus vote is still bad.

I can't tell if you're scum who's frustrated people are town reading me when you feel I shouldn't be town read, or town who is tunnelled because you're a mechanical player and get frustrated with level 5 reads. If its the latter, and you dismiss this post as WIFOM, I can only do so much.

[Eddie Cane]

His EoD post was something like "Pine lynch bad if town" IIRC; if you can actually dig up his posts and explain like I'm 5 I'd be glad.
The gunsmith claim was a reaction to Flavor's guilty... unless you mean the manner of his claim was towny?

It was that, yea. Felt genuine. And the manner of his claim was townie, yes.

If both of them are town and I am scum: then bussing me today is throwing, because Oka is a free lynch and even ignoring that, I have both town PRs pocketed.

This is the part I want to talk about. Why is it that your partners wouldn't be bussing you just because they think you are genuinely scummy? A lot of people play that way as scum.

This is terrible play, but it is the site trend, so I will give it a response. Why wouldn't they? I'm assuming scum have day chat like every game nowadays. I would tell them that's a stupid play.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Oka

There ya go champ. If we are TT, you officially played a .9/10 game, even worse than my 1/10.

[Eddie Cane]

If we are TT, you officially played a .9/10 game, even worse than my 1/10

How so? Why is wanting you lynched for bad play <1/10?

Do you really need to ask this question?

[Eddie Cane]

I mean, I'm still cleared off the Fire nightkill, but people don't do NKA so let's move past that. I think Flavor knows this and its part of why he's town reading me, though.

I don't think any of those assumptions matter though. I will try rephrasing

again

, and this will probably be my last time because I think even the fact I'm arguing this point this hard and like this virtually never happens S/S so I'm not with Dany

anyways

.
Fact: in the current game state, both claimed PRs town read me and have defended me two days in a row.
Fact: in the current game state, iDanyboy is fairly widely scum read, having got to l-1 twice in the last phase.
Let's go through all four worlds:

1) We are both town: I correctly chose not to lolhammer him. I am town; this world is irrelevant.
2) He is scum, I am town: I incorrectly chose to not meme hammer a second day in a row. I am town; this world is irrelevant.
I know the world is one of those two. Let's continue to worlds 3 and 4
3) I am scum, he is town: then we go back to my point that I have very few partners, and we can argue why I'm not with somebody else!

4) We are both scum: in this world, I have a few directions. I can hammer Dany one of the two times. This looks good for me, and I have an excuse to night kill Oka as he's obviously not with Dany*, the only person vocally pushing me. I chose not to do that, twice. Okay. Now Dany has a good reason to take me out of his scum list if we are partners distancing! "Well Eddie had literally no reason to not hammer me" is virtually the only line he needs. Oh look, my key to town read him as well! If any scum team is decent in this gamestate they'll be aligning because there's so few consensus reads due to the general lack of interest and effort. There is no benefit to him voting me as scum, and I will outline why in easy to read bullet points
- Oka had to pry the vote out of him after asking many times. He gets no credit from this if I flip red.
- He has been posting elsewhere on site during this game, clearly showing his interest in the game is low. If he is scum who is bussing me, that means he wants to live to end game, because he is pretty widely scum read before it and would need to contribute. Except, he clearly is not prioritizing the game, so this is incongruent. I would not be allowed to instruct him to fake this in the scum PT, so this line can't be a play. Ellitell.
- If I am lynched, I am confirmed scum in this world. This makes Oka almost confirmed town. This removes Oka as a mislynch, which sure is a great option because both PRs and a probably town Penguin are pushing him. If he pushes on Luna, then he has to push a busser world, incriminating him as well. And, it means both PRs lose their scum read, which means they are likely to push

and check

elsewhere. Unless the team is precisely me + Dany + comical/RCE, it does not work.
- His bad play has led to him being widely scum read... much more widely than me. Which, again, makes him bussing pointless. No credit.

The gamestate does not make sense for us to be partners. That is a fact. Again, this is the person in the game I think is the least likely to be my partner. If you do not understand nor agree we are not partners after this post, you are either scum or you are too tunnelled and I am not interested in discussing this further.


*oka dany is not actually impossible but oka eddie dany is so its fine for the purpose of analogy

[Eddie Cane]

For those who don't know me, I play mafia largely because I feel like it makes me smarter, and for practice with psychoanalysis. These kinds of logical wifom analysis stuff are my favorite part of the game, so keep 'em coming.

Eddie, do you think Oka was fakeclaiming?

Don't remember a claim unless you mean his memey doc claim in response to my memey cop claim. The site is lagging too bad for me to search atm.

If we are TT, you officially played a .9/10 game, even worse than my 1/10

How so? Why is wanting you lynched for bad play <1/10?

Do you really need to ask this question?

I'm dumb; I'm not really seeing why Oka's play this game has been <1/10. So, please explain

Its in snark about people like SS and you having the reaction to my now-more-serious posting to engage, whereas he is just on the same hill. I'm not serious

[Eddie Cane]

2121 is more wifom than anything I've posted, and I'm done arguing an obvious point. I will boil it down to two true points that are actual wifom, unlike my previous posts.

- I am good at reading gamestates and scumplay in general. If I am with Dany, myself, his predecessor, and him have played terrible this whole game regarding each other. You reconcile this how you want to.
- I am willing to bet you can not, in all of mafiascum history, quote me one instance of scum adamantly defending being partnered with their partner. So regardless of any of my points, I'm not with Dany.

You are voting me and you can continue being wrong or scum, or you can actually evaluate my posts and/or go down other ones.

[Eddie Cane]

Don't remember a claim unless you mean his memey doc claim in response to my memey cop claim. The site is lagging too bad for me to search atm.

Your cop claim was obviously a joke, but there's no reason to believe Oka's claim

has

to be false.
It's interesting that you evaluated his claim as a meme, since I was reading his posting as serious.

My turn for questions!
Can I get a reads list?

[Eddie Cane]

Do you think I'm mafia?

[Eddie Cane]

I try as scum. There is essentially nothing left for me to achieve on this website other than to be recognized as someone with a capable scumgame. I have very few other goals left to attain.

Meant it more facetiously, ie you are a very easy read. Are you Dannflor?

[Eddie Cane]

Can I get a reads list?

I tried a couple of times this game, but I'm finding it a sorta useless and straining exercise to try and tier slots when there's no

solid

reasoning to bucket them anywhere. I could engage about specific slots at a time, though.

NSG, pls scumread Alch

This is the problem. People aren't projecting alignments.

[Eddie Cane]

This is the problem. People aren't projecting alignments.

Or a consequence of the playerlist, perhaps? Definitely fun in a way.

Lacrimose.

[Eddie Cane]

Its very possible

[Eddie Cane]

I think there's a difference check between iDany and SS, for what it's worth.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

Comical and RCE existing would be splendid

[Eddie Cane]

I think I've come full circle on Auro.

[Eddie Cane]

Full circle as in now probably town instead of scum.

[Eddie Cane]

is there a point to that NSG?

[Eddie Cane]

That's a poll and not Schadd's own numbers, no?

Correct.

Full circle as in now probably town instead of scum.

Ah OK lol

I do want you to do a ranked reads thing, though.

[Eddie Cane]

It feels like RCE and Comical haven't posted this whole day phase. Why is Luna and Smart townie?

[Eddie Cane]

Luna because of her weird play while being wagoned without any chainsaw/defense behavior from elsewhere, even when people continued to scumread for it. Her easy sheeping is also townie. Resonated with her readslist where she called Penguin a "meanie" (I don't think he is tho )

Smart because you're above null, and I'm tying his alignment to yours. Picking a serious offensive line (if not a push, simply phrases like "stop throwing garbage") isn't something I'd expect Scumthing_Smart to do. His general activity seems to be more than I remember him to have carried as scum. I probably carry some bias towards townreading him though.

Smart has had some lines, such as that, that struck town to me. Its arguing in my brain over some scummy things. Again, I think he is unaligned with iDany

[Eddie Cane]

nsg, are you reading this full game chronologically?

[Eddie Cane]

doesn't matter yet. Just based on the time between you quoting a post in the 700s and 1100s.

[Eddie Cane]

i model you as someone who cares more about the players than the roles when it comes to determining nightkills

the short reply is this is an accurate analysis for your purposes

the added on part is i am a very controlling person when it comes to nightkills, i'm pretty known in video for strongarming kills more than most scum do

[Eddie Cane]

by the way eddie, you hear the news?

momo's back

WHAT??

[Eddie Cane]

wow, fire could have saved all his begging for me to play if he just name dropped a momo game. damn.

[Eddie Cane]

Lmao. Funny game.

[Eddie Cane]

“Moi god, Eddie Can best scum game evarrrr never saw it coming”

even if i'm scum, this isn't a good scum game.

[Eddie Cane]

i think more people need to do reads lists, this game needs some direction

@luna @comical

[Eddie Cane]

THIS IS A GREAT SCUM GAME EDDIE YOU'VE MANAGED TO MAKE ME ONE VOTE SHORT AND IM STUCK HERE IN SUSPENSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

nsg already came to the right conclusion that the fire kill clears me on the last page, lmao

[Eddie Cane]

Alchemist’s unvote on NSG doesn’t make sense. He was pushing Dannfloor a while, so I don’t think Alch vs Dann was S/S, and it doesn’t make sense to ease up on NSG as she joins the game in case she towns it up.

I didn’t realize Eddie had a big wagon on him earlier, so I expect at least 1 scum on there, 1 scum off.

The Okapoka wagon has been Me, RCE, and Penguin for a while, and if Oka is town, there is scum on his wagon, if Oka is scum, there might not be.

Oka replaces Penguin as scum if this is the case, I’m not 100% sold on NSG.

But I think we have Auro/Oka or Auro/Penguin

I'd say 1-2 on and 1-2 off, leaning 1 on actually. I find when I play like this it

tends

to be annoyed town pushing more often than not.

[Eddie Cane]

And that he’s scum with zero reason to be scum read, which sometimes is a how I get caught out.

Who is this referring to?

[Eddie Cane]

I’m leaning Penguin right now. With one of LF/SS/Auro as a partner, possibly 2 in there.

Auro and Oka are never a pairing imo. Auro / SS have partnery associatives, but I think independently Auro is a town now, even though I had him as scum earlier. SS could go either way. Idk who LF is.

[Eddie Cane]

I’m leaning Penguin right now. With one of LF/SS/Auro as a partner, possibly 2 in there.

Auro and Oka are never a pairing imo. Auro / SS have partnery associatives, but I think independently Auro is a town now, even though I had him as scum earlier. SS could go either way. Idk who LF is.

People said this to me when I mislynched Penguin and said if Penguin is town, Oka and Nomnom are both scum.

Oka and Nomnom were both scum.

Read gamestate. Oka's entire play is "kill eddie kill eddie please sir kill eddie". Auro unvoting me, switching to somewhat actively defending me, and listing me as townier than him, does not make sense with them as partners. It is not interactions that couldn't be partnery independently, but the trajectory doesn't track.

[Eddie Cane]

If Auro is scum, his partners are probably not on my wagon (more likely) or both on my wagon and

not

Oka (less likely). I think.

[Eddie Cane]

i only feel like lynching either eddie or idany today even if i have other scumreadss

Those are literally the 2 that I am actively going to argue against lynching today.

i dunno if i'd defend either you back tbh

[Eddie Cane]

The vote movement happening is pretty interesting

[Eddie Cane]

Given recent events that means if Boon flips scum Dany is scum or vice versa btw.

I'm glad you noticed this and did not put me there instead of Dany.

[Eddie Cane]

i think that, ignoring any other reason to townread oka, 2075 locks him as town.

i think that this will go unappreciated. possibly it deserves to, but i don't think so.

i agree that post was townie, i do not agree it locks him as town.

[Eddie Cane]

im just going to use my final shot and heal nsg tonight

nsg you have today and tomorrow to carry before you dead thread

why are you assuming NSG is town?

[Eddie Cane]

There's a lot more activity but I'm still not really interested in anything being posted.

[Eddie Cane]

To be honest, dude, I'm very bored with this game and not really critically thinking about solving it.

[Eddie Cane]

To be honest, dude, I'm very bored with this game and not really critically thinking about solving it.

What was the entire conversation we had yesterday then?

Me being interested in the game.

[Eddie Cane]

Is it possible Luna and Penguin are scum together?

I would like you to explain iDany being town pretty please

[Eddie Cane]

I think thinking there's two town gunsmiths, no mafia doctors, and no mafia role interference roles is pretty asinine.

Did Boon ever explain why he targeted RCE?

[Eddie Cane]

I was gonna gunsmith you, but you joke claimed cop, and i forgot about the no cop.

I dont have a gun

[Eddie Cane]

We should be finishing our mass claim if anybody cares. Would interest me more than the rest.

[Eddie Cane]

If you want to figure out boon and rces and Okas alignment, a good way is by looking at the rest of mass claim. I dont care about what any of your opinions are otherwise. You can ignore me, I'm about to walk my dog and I dont actually care. But having 6 claimed slots or something out of 11 is horrible.

[Eddie Cane]

Boon nsg and penguin are talking about something not relevant.

Auro and alchemist are talking about something not relevant.

Having a dead game is bad, having an active game with just air is equally bad.

[Eddie Cane]

I expected to be asked about my Eddie townread, a bit surprised no one did.

This makes me townier, by the way.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie, did you ever answer why you're playing like this this game?

I dont think anybodies asked

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not voting PP today btw

[Eddie Cane]

Auro and alchemist are talking about something not relevant.

Okay, talk to me about Something_Relevant.

- mass claim
- reads lists

Both of these leading to

- consolidation on three main wagons

In that order, is ideal.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie, did you ever answer why you're playing like this this game?

I dont think anybodies asked

i am asking right now.

I joined because of fire, so I played in my version of what I consider fire's play.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm curious to think why that's high risk play. What's the problem with claiming it later, apart from the risk that I get lynched before that?

The risk that people don't believe it, and the risk that he picks up on it and makes a move like trying to claim out of it or trying to push you so your claim looks sketchy.

Yea, but post my flip he gets effed. And if I'm outed with a correct guilty I get NK'd or RB'd anyway. If people lynch the person claiming a guilty over the claimed guilty, that's bad play and on them, no?

Auro and alchemist are talking about something not relevant.

Okay, talk to me about Something_Relevant.

- mass claim
- reads listsBoth of these leading to

- consolidation on three main wagons

In that order, is ideal.

Instead of mass claim, why not just have people with guns claim?

because mass claim isnt about sorting out who to gunsmith, in this case. So many people are outed including 3 strong pr claims. It is better to be able to see the power pool, and etc.

[Eddie Cane]

why? your own amusement?

I guess? Why does anybody post the way they do? I dont care about forum anymore, to me video maf games are more competitive and way way more fun. I enjoy games more when I care less about the outcome. A few years ago I had an alt on this site where I only spoke in rhymes.

[Eddie Cane]

why? your own amusement?

Are you also considering Eddie's current play, which is considerably less troll and more solvey?

His turn on NSG slot makes zero sense as scum

Can you quote the posts he talks about NSG about?

Nah. I’m tunneled.

I don't see any U-Turn on NSG from Alch. Sure you're tunneled, but why should that stop you from convincing me?

And coincidentally, I'm having less fun.

[Eddie Cane]

nsg

pick eddie or idany

i'll try and get the votes needed for lynch

Like

This dude has not engaged about or with me, for a day phase. I get it though. learning your heroes are just as shitty as everyone else sucks.

[Eddie Cane]

A few years ago I had an alt on this site where I only spoke in rhymes.

That sounds familiar. What was the name?

MuttonChopMagic? If not that, something similar.

[Eddie Cane]

And coincidentally, I'm having less fun

Really? I'm finding this a lot of fun! ^_^

If I was actually annoyed I'd have just closed the site

@luna: imagine if there was a way we wouldnt have to guess if there was a town vig in the setup.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, Eddie is like the most obv town player, maybe even moreso than me, why is he ever being considered.

I mean, obviously

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: NSG