Mini 2136 | City That Never Sleeps [Game over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.17

Target	Wagon
Allomancer (3)	nomnomnom (211), GuiltyLion (229), Eve (533)
Eve (3)	Auro (330), BBmolla (354), acryon (378)
acryon (1)	Allomancer (215)
GuiltyLion (1)	skitter30 (612)
skitter30 (1)	The Limit Does Not Exist (643)
Not Voting (2)	SausasaurusRex (219), Karnage (299)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-03 00:18:59).

[acryon]

The walls between you two did not feel like TvT

Could totes be TvT

I don't disagree that it could be, but my gut feeling reading it was that it was not.

[acryon]

Allomancer

- I don’t know what to make of this guy.
- As others have mentioned, his vote being on me still, especially when I am “looking townier”, just makes no sense. Could be scum trying to avoid making other enemies. But at the same time, in this setup it benefits scum to be on the wagon. So I’m not sure how voting a random person off of it helps, unless the plan was to switch once it’s closer to a lynch (which I think is possible).
- As I mentioned, the fact that he’s just been straight ignoring questions from people feels like a towntell to me. It’s annoying, but I am finding it harder to believe that scum would be so careless and willing to leave people hanging.

I’m still not entirely opposed to an Allo lynch because some of this stuff is a bit WIFOMy, but I think Eve is better.

Eve

@Eve:
- Why did you move your vote off BBmolla?
- What kind of agenda do you think Auro is being driven by? If it's scummy, why isn't your vote there?
- Why do you think nomnom could be scum?

My thoughts:
- I'm always going to have a hard time with slots that seem to give so little effort to the game. Effort is NAI, but I think many of Eve's posts are actively distracting.
- Posts like 631 feel very town to me, but they're not enough to push me off my vote.

[Karnage]

If we are lynching between allo and eve I'd prefer to lynch allo. Lynching eve removes the WIFOM for scum on deciding whether or not she needs to be night killed

[acryon]

If we are lynching between allo and eve I'd prefer to lynch allo. Lynching eve removes the WIFOM for scum on deciding whether or not she needs to be night killed

Fair point.

[Auro]

There is no wifom, her claim is random, scum will take her to LyLo

[acryon]

There is no wifom, her claim is random, scum will take her to LyLo

I leaned this way, but didn't think it was helpful to state it explicitly. Though I don't blame you for doing so.

[SausasaurusRex]

There is no wifom, her claim is random, scum will take her to LyLo

What makes you so certain about this? Unless I’m missing something obvious.

[Auro]

I leaned this way, but didn't think it was helpful to state it explicitly. Though I don't blame you for doing so.

helpful if consensus is that Eve is preferred lynch but should be left alive because claim

[acryon]

There is no wifom, her claim is random, scum will take her to LyLo

What makes you so certain about this? Unless I’m missing something obvious.

I think it's just the fact that it would be a bonehead play for the actual TA to do, and it seems fairly in-character for Eve to claim something random.

Pedit: Also fair.

[nomnomnom]

There is no reason not to lynch Allo here. Nobody townreads the guy.

[acryon]

You're right.

VOTE: Allomancer

[GuiltyLion]

I'd recommend checking the progression of Allo regarding Eve and Acryon. Suddenly understood eve was shitposting when I said it was shitposting, and suddenly produces a real vote and thought on a player when I accused him of not doing that, on a player everyone more or less suspected previously. That timing and progression is just really bad. I think that the wagon forming really fast is just due to conversational missteps from Allo rather than having scum support. That's my inner feeling on this one.

yah I feel like we really haven't advanced at all past this point in the past 500 posts. more responses coming - I still owe a couple to skitter and I have another tack I want to try to reach out to Auro - in a bit

[The Limit Does Not Exist]

So skitter drops the entire push and says "okay I guess hydra is town" as soon as she receives external pressure regarding her push on me,

and you're just cool with that? I can concede that her posts reflect thought progression in terms of the change in Sausasaurus read that I didn't see before, but she has repeatedly called us misreppy, contrived, and disingenuous for multiple different posts we made, not just the initial misunderstanding that happened, but she has never once outright called our slot scummy for it and also didn't vote us. Skitter might be satisfied to "drop it" seeing as she couldn't get any traction on us, but I'm not cool with this just being pushed aside.

i mean, this is also at best an uncharitable way of reading my what i said ?
like idk what you expect me to say here, it's just another example in the pattern that I've called out already

either you're scum trying to find ways to throw shade on people, or you're town and are really good at misreading people's intentions
i'm not sure that re-litigating this argument is really going to get us anywhere tho :shrug:

like this entire paragraph kinda proves my point

do you want me to go through it all again in answering the rest of your post or

Let's revisit this D2.

I'm still not happy with this slot but I think I let my anger get the best of me this weekend, and it's becoming wholly unproductive. I wrote an extremely long post and then deleted it because at this point I'm letting my emotions cloud my judgment. I'm still on board with an Allomancer lynch since nothing he's said since my initial vote has made me feel better about him, and I will come back D2 with a hopefully fresh brain and mind and can be a bit more analytical instead of emotional when it comes to skitter.

VOTE: Allomancer

L-1

- Smarter

[nomnomnom]

Honestly fmpov we can't risk taking Allo further than day 1 because he clearly lacks any helpful content here, just saying.

[Auro]

There is no reason not to lynch Allo here. Nobody townreads the guy.

I actually do moreso than Eve, at least, but I surrender to the will of the holy townbloc

Whoever is not in the townbloc, remove your votes pl0x, so the others can take your place.

[Auro]

We can get him to L-1 with just townbloc members. If Eve lolhammers now, she is the D2 lynch.

[GuiltyLion]

do we want to discuss Wagon Decisions? as I've said before, I'm fine with being off wagon if we wanna put like Saus on there instead of me

UNVOTE:

p-edit: damn beat me to it

[Auro]

I will also like to pre-emptively discuss this with you, Guilty: If Allo flips town, how would that shape your reads?

[nomnomnom]

If someone has an objection with me being on the wagon they should state that now otherwise I am staying.

[Auro]

I have another tack I want to try to reach out to Auro - in a bit

Heyo, just lynch scumz and I will be happy!

[GuiltyLion]

I think if Allo scum flips it would be most helpful to get a cop in Skit/Karnage

If Allo townflips prob best to look in Auro/Molla/Eve, and I guuuuEESSSS ( ) myself in that case.

I haven't been thinking too much about this but I guess we should optimize the cop pool for the townflip scenario as that's more likely from a pure probability standpoint and a worse outcome for town.

to answer your question directly, if Allo flips town then I'm definitely going to have to reconsider Eve being the main counter wagon. However I'd suspect there'd be scum kinda tiptoeing around the mislynch and avoiding it because I don't see scum in the early voters of TLDNE & nom, so I'd be suspicious on those grounds of you (Auro) and Molla in that instance.

[Auro]

Even after noting that I'm pretty ambivalent about all this and only care that townbloc has consensus, while merely stating personal opinion?

Interesting that you think my soft defense of Allo means Auro posturing is +likely compared to Auro trying to subtly influence against it.

[Auro]

I'll give actual thoughts on good die weights based on flip for the N1 shot at L-1 with intent, someone remind me then

[northsidegal]

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