I suppose in the vain hope you stop digging that hole for yourself.In post 2573, Morning Tweet wrote:why do you keep commenting on my ABR read if you don't want to hear about it? seriously dudeee (*ノω-)
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I suppose in the vain hope you stop digging that hole for yourself.In post 2573, Morning Tweet wrote:why do you keep commenting on my ABR read if you don't want to hear about it? seriously dudeee (*ノω-)
well ya pretty muchIn post 2572, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Lets just lynch Danny I think we all agree he's scum and were just too scared of his big claim.
Battle Mage wrote:I'm confident. I think if I was wrong, at least 1 scum would have leapt on it. But the only way to find out is to try, and I'm a big fan of giving town the best chance to win.In post 2563, Morning Tweet wrote:you do not know this. this is coming entirely from your setup spec. try reading the game outside of it and see what comes of itIn post 2553, Battle Mage wrote:It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.
there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.
you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.
scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)
You seriously don't need to be giving me advice about reading the game objectively.
the reason no one is leaping on it is way more likely to be because it's wrong. the fact you're taking no one agreeing with you as a sign that you're correct is.. actually kinda funnyIn post 2574, Battle Mage wrote:I'm confident. I think if I was wrong, at least 1 scum would have leapt on it. But the only way to find out is to try, and I'm a big fan of giving town the best chance to win.In post 2563, Morning Tweet wrote:you do not know this. this is coming entirely from your setup spec. try reading the game outside of it and see what comes of itIn post 2553, Battle Mage wrote:It was fricking multi-coloured. gimme a break dude.
there's only 1 scum in your hood, don't think it's you.
you should know your own hood flavour from your role pm.
scum is ABR, 2 of (BBMolla, GuiltyLion, Pisskop), and 1 from your hood (probably Danyboy)
I don't understand the mathematical point. I will detail my thoughts on Dany later, is Molla scum to you or just not townie and more likely scum by PoE?In post 2571, Battle Mage wrote:Mathematically, we have more chance hitting scum with BBMolla. And you'll note ABR scum has been keen to lynch pretty much anyone today, except BBMolla.In post 2567, Eddie Cane wrote:I think Dany is more likely to be scum, Molla is not a town read but Dany is actively scummy.In post 2562, Battle Mage wrote:vote BBmollaIn post 2558, Eddie Cane wrote:I don't want to vote you, I think you're town.
What does that tell you?
where Dany came from completely flaking on a game (like here) to pop in with an essentially naked vote on a wagon being hard pushed by town (this assumes BM!town).
Dany also claimed quickly in this game.In post 1837, iDanyboy wrote:I’m a VT.
This was the first reaction from you, which is not constructive or trying to engage BM. Because mafia is a team game, and even if you believe BM is the worst player to ever play, trying to convince him you are town if you believe he is town is important -In post 1832, Albert B. Rampage wrote:By far the dumbest case I ever read and way worse than Xtoxm.
I didn't read much of d2, so this is all me interpreting posts about it from today. Based on the post Vecna quoted, it looks like you were happy to lynch Xtoxm too, and from what I read EoD1 you were only semi involved in killing Momo.In post 1834, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why was BM so sure of xtoxm yesterday that every post he made was a death tunnel?
Without me there's no momo lynch Day 1. BMs theory is 2 scum in a 4 person hood AND I TRY TO MURDER BOTH MY HOOD MATES PINE AND BM N1?????
(As an aside - please explain Blake scum if you still think it? I know you're not voting there but you've pushed there semi recently)In post 1836, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Maybe BM is paranoid because all my predictions are accurate, everyone killed at night was someone I townread so far. In any case Blake is scum and after today we can stop listening to BM forever.
I believe the post said "Due to choices BM made, Elsa died", as in BM was trapped. I am not super familiar with lore but I have played a few saw setup games with trapping as the nks before, and Jigsaw was never allowed to trap themselves. But aside from that, I actually don't think the notion Momo was bussed is crazy, he's a bad player and its actually arguably likely. But this reaction feels more discreditory mafia than knee-jerk town. Not a big deal outside of expressing interest in later lynching BM.In post 1854, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Neighbor is basically vt in this game. Got no powers at night.
Ok I hate to float this idea but what if BM is jigsaw?
Mod said BM killed people N1. He bussed his buddy for infinite towncred and claims BP?
Just a wild theory and ive no interest in voting BM for the next few days just keep that in mind.
Anyways peace out BM needs to be humbled vote Blake kthx
This and the following flurry of posts after BM only posted a long not-attacking post just seem unnecessary. I thinkIn post 1892, Albert B. Rampage wrote:BM is blacklisted from all my future games if he's town
I remember rb gave a stat a couple years ago where d1 scum lynches resulted in scum wins more often than d1 mislynches. The flavour suits this gameIn post 2584, Morning Tweet wrote:You make a good point about ABR not *exactly* driving the momo wagon but sort of taking credit for it. i've been under the impression that ABR/BM were behind momo in similar amounts but it was pretty heavily BM. That might be the only part of BM's case i can sympathize with to some extent
So to answer directly, I think you should have responded to his well-formatted post with something, rather than degrading into personal attacks. At this point, it seems pretty irrelevant. I probably wouldn't vote you today, and I almost definitely wouldn't vote BM, so its a moot point and we don't need to dredge that part of the game up. I am just more interested in explaining your Blake lock scum read, and why it shifted to killing Dany.In post 2583, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Unless you think I should respond to anything in particular?
Blake scum would make ABR town, I agree. I don't think your reasons for pushing Blake are terrible, but they feel strawmanny - like you came to the conclusion Blake was scum, and then built a narrative around it. I have a few reasons to think that slot is town if you'd like me to expand, but Fire is a pretty easy read so it shouldn't matter. I think Piss sounds town tonally as well, but a lot of slots are townier and he's a tough read, agreed. I actually agree with almost all of your reads and explanations (ie Dave actually sounds okay just hasn't done a ton), other than wimping out of obvscum claiming PR.In post 2507, Morning Tweet wrote:@Eddie Cane
-===================-Spoiler: Readslist
Spoiler: iDanySpoiler: davesazSpoiler: pisskopSpoiler: BBMollaSpoiler: DrixxSpoiler: Blake
All this flavor is making me want to watch the series, lore sounds awesome.In post 2586, Morning Tweet wrote:Amanda Young faked being in a trap in Saw II (she still had to play it and was in some danger. See: needle pit), and Hoffman faked being in a trap in Saw IV (he was faking being in the trap, he was in no danger. See: ice block trap).
Dr Gordon, Amanda, and Logan all had to go through real traps before becoming acolytes, as well
I like these reads overall - I think Vecna is clearly town thoughIn post 2582, Eddie Cane wrote:I'll do a proper reads list tomorrow, but for now the cliffnotes version to spark discussion because this game is stagnant: MT very town, Vault town partly from Vecna and partly from how he reacted to being "green checked", Gamma town because he was pretty town anyways, may have a cop inno, and scum almost never actually green check their partners in my experience, Drixx a bit scummy (and seen a couple people (I think BM/MT) call him townie maybe it was from the bulk of d1 I did not read could use an explanation), spicy town read on Blake/Fire, BM I have a rabbit hole paranoia read I don't want to go down unless asked but overall pretty town, should probably have a read on vecna but don't, thought he was townie but doubting myself and looking for the momo bus votes so IDFK, don't remember anything of substance from GL or Piss (that's scummier for GL because he's the one there good at mafia), molla has not seemed obv town yet which might make him scum but would like to hear fire's read.
First post in a while I completely agree withIn post 2584, Morning Tweet wrote:considering how unbearable d3 probably is to read
Look at the flips we already haveIn post 2546, Battle Mage wrote:This is a misrepresentation, I've been clear on my view that I don't believe there are plain old town neighbours in the game. Conceptually there could be. But I don't think there is. So ABR would then be lying, duh.In post 2533, Morning Tweet wrote:I think BM is the one using that as evidence against ABRIn post 2531, BBmolla wrote:Just a reminder that this is the mods definition so a neighbor is perfectly acceptableIn post 2065, SirCakez wrote:This game is confirmed Role Madness, there are no Vanilla Townies or Mafia Goons.
ABR might be scum regardless of that but a case built on that is foolish
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still means that being neighbourly meets the role madness criteriaIn post 2551, Battle Mage wrote:Pine was a double neighbour. His special ability was being in 2 hoods. Let's not go round in circles on this please.In post 2549, Morning Tweet wrote:Are you forgetting that Pine was a town neighbour?In post 2543, Battle Mage wrote:I think of being on a scumteam as being a power role, coz u get to do shit, innit?In post 2528, Morning Tweet wrote:"Scum" is an alignment. "Neighbour" is a role. The fact he was on the scumteam does not make his role somehow more special than a town neighbour.In post 2521, Battle Mage wrote:he's also dead, which confirms that neighbour is a possible role in this role madness game, thereby answering iDany's post. so.. yeah
your defense of drixx reminds me of something i could say to you about ABR. as I said i haven't really looked thru yet but my inital lynchpool is something like Drixx/dave/Blake/pisskop/BBMolla
BBMolla? great, time to put the chips in! I'll take Pisskop as a compromise if absolutely necessary.
I think you misunderstood my point about Momo - he wasn't a normal neighbour, he was ascumneighbour. So that is a "role" which is not a standard vanilla role. Clearly there are a couple of those in the game, so it seems obtuse to suggest the existence of scum in the hoods proves there must be vanilla town neighbours in the game. Personally, I don't buy it, and once again you've made a deduction which seems objectively unlikely and portrayed it as fact. This is not conduct which feels protown to me.
Momo's flip proves that neighbour is an acceptable role in this role madness.
Seriously though, the point is not whether it's conceptually possible to have a town neighbour, but whether you actually believe there is 1. I do not. You evidently do. But we are getting to a point where it becomes less and less likely as more and more claims come out.
Maybe we can cut to the chase - if ABR purported to be the only vanilla town neighbour in the entire game, would you believe him?
I would expect somewhere between maybe 1-3 town neighbours. It will not surprise me AT ALL if there is multiple. 75% of the game is in PTs.