SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

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Hi, pretend I know nothing.

Who should I vote for?

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Hi, pretend I know nothing.

Who should I vote for?

Mastina.

What is she at?

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I skimmed the first 5 pages.

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

Okay, that is my first read. GLHF.

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VOTE: mastina

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Are we still in RVS? Or is this No lynch person a construct of some sort?

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the latter

Okay, thanks.

VOTE: Element

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This should be...interesting!

IRL I'm working not quarantining, fyi, so if my activity seems low that's a heads upa s to why

Have I missed anything good?

Elements has blatantly lied to me twice since I have been here.

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This should be...interesting!

IRL I'm working not quarantining, fyi, so if my activity seems low that's a heads upa s to why

Have I missed anything good?

Elements has blatantly lied to me twice since I have been here.

In less than a page???
That was Quick!

Srsly tho not cool!

I just found out by the VC that they lied to me 3 times, not 2!

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I am fine with sheeping ESL and Nero until I know more. Let's let them build wagons friends.

VOTE: mastina

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no lynch

5/11

6/11

the latter

Pretty sure these are all blatant lies. I could be wrong...

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but it is still RVS so it doesn't really matter I guess.

So I will not be catching up.

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anyways mastina scum slipped when she asked whether this game is a joke/serious to mask her indecisiveness to post in this game only to then serious post for the next page

That's not a scumslip...

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It's a psychological slip and nothing will make me unvote this slot I think

Let's have us a real talk about this...

People are generally more inconsistent then they are consisted. This is no different in Mafia. So you are operating under false presuppositions.

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she was trying to fake a mindset, only to change her mind and fail right after lol

Or they mistook the game for something else like I did when I asked if No lynch was a construct.

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ETL has already said they had to PM the mod about something. mastina could very well have done the same things.

Just saying you don't have an open a shut case. That's all. Just saying it's not a scum slip because very VERY few things are actually scum slips.

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no lynch

5/11

6/11

the latter

Pretty sure these are all blatant lies. I could be wrong...

No lynch is a player, the VC at the top of the page confirms their math before and after their vote, and...wait that's it.

Uhhhh *shrugs*

Okay, thanks.

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I am not going to sheep FL.

I will sheep ETL and Nero, but not FL.

Farside22 has been a big fat zero so...

VOTE: Farside22

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I am not going to sheep FL.

I will sheep ETL and Nero, but not FL.

Farside22 has been a big fat zero so...

VOTE: Farside22

Didn't u "retire"?

Yeah. IDK why I am back. No reason really. Just missed playing.

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VOTE: Hoctac
Not changing this until you get an avatar.

This is a cop-out.

I wanna vote this. But.. wagons are tasty and produce delicious fruit.

Everyone ends up wanting to vote me day one, there will be a wagon at some point.

Why would you say this?

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1 of the three scum

dude what..

Nero. Seriously. I'm starting to wonder if he's legit trying to make it

look

like a scum slip or if it's actually a scumslip.

Yeah, Infected by hammer or something like that.

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Okay, not much itt except a bunch of WIFOM.

I said I wasn't going to catch up but the thread died so I did.

I am kinda feeling like we need to push these weird roles more but don't know for sure.

I will be a guinea pig if necessary.

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What weird roles?

Hoctac and 5G Tower. But I could be wrong.

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@mastina, flesh out your FL read because that cannot be read at this point IMO.

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I might do more work later, but right now I am about as caught up as I want to be.

https://youtu.be/ntfCjgZO2aQ

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What weird roles?

Hoctac and 5G Tower. But I could be wrong.

Why do you thin they have weird roles? All i see is weird personalities.

Town read on mastina

I think it was 5G that voted like 6 times in one post. They both operate similarly and both have similar avatars and both accounts created in mid-late April.

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ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

I'd say "effort != alignment", but that'd be a bit disingenuous of me considering that in this case I happen to think that the effort does have an impact on alignment--a

negative

one, so I should instead say:
Effort != town.

What makes you think I was talking about effort?

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People are generally more inconsistent then they are consisted. This is no different in Mafia. So you are operating under false presuppositions.

For the record, I do think that this Quick is

probably

more likely to be town than scum at this point, but I'm not really sure because it's mostly based off of a pretty stupid reason of, "I don't think Quick gets into an argument of what amounts to semantics* like this if scum".

*Not the best choice of words, but conveys the thought I am more or less thinking of, that Quick engaging in a trivial thing like that which isn't really important, made me think Quick's more likely to be town than not. Which, again, is a pretty stupid reason but hey, I'm fine with it.

Okay.

Why is it not important? I was discussing the validity of a read.

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No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

Do you have any reads?

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@mastina, flesh out your FL read because that cannot be read at this point IMO.

I'm honestly not sure how to. It's basically just, what I think based off of FL being FL. He's not being hyper-invested in this game, not being hyper-active, not being hyper-strong, whatever you'd like to say.

So given that, there's two possible worlds:
FL is not invested as town,
Or FL is not invested as scum.

Those two are the only two scenarios possible here, because FL is self-evidently not strongly invested (at least not yet).

FL has gotten sick of drawing scum, so there's a precedent for him possibly not being invested as scum--

however

, even when FL is sick of drawing scum, my memory is that he's usually still more active than he is in this game even with him having drawn an alignment he's tired of playing. More than that, I'm not even sure he's tired of drawing scum anymore, because it's been a while since he constantly rolled scum, and that break might've been enough to reset the metric and make him no longer sick of it.

Between those things, I more or less think it far more likely that FL is just not invested as town, because FL as town

can

have games where he's not very invested. It's not an absolute though because I obviously could be mistaken about things regarding FL. Life circumstances, his mindset, his attitude, the exact specifics of his meta, etc. There's lots of things which make the theory not absolute, thus, not a stronger townread but enough of a townread where I don't think he needs focus any time soon.

Put a percentage on FL being Town for me.

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No Lynch and Miss Lynch are players!?!? Lmfao

Also kudos to 5g towers! That shit's funny

Oh how I love my fans!

Do you have any reads?

I can politely point you to my big ass post that came right before you got in:

zzz...SupPeeps.jpg...zzz

Spoiler:

Let's just infect each other :3

I couldn't have said it better myself!
I want to give every one in the world my 5Gs.
My Gratitude, Generosity, Gifts, Grace, and of course Gravy. I make a mean Pepper Gravy.

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

Now, onto my reading of the game.
EspeciallyTheLies was giving me hard WIFOM vibes in the beginning.
The mod question felt contrived as a way to get town sympathy.
Then they got oddly aggressive. No thanks.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I've got a bad feeling about Vecna, can't really place it. Dude just is giving me the heeby-jeebies.

Jeez, ETL's anger is tiring.

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

Lol who uses capitals to emphasize their text? it honestly makes me not wanna read it. So

zzz...Global Genocide...zzz

I won't.

Bermuda bahama come on pretty mama

I've got a cousin in Bermuda, they're doing great work for the fight!

Sorry, no one here knows the 5G conspiracy. I have already tested it.

VOTE: 5G
I am disappointed that none voted this. Don't you know what is the main cause of covid-2019?

You weren't kidding. These sheep have no idea how big of a threat I am!
VOTE: 5G Tower

I highly recommend Community. It recently hit Netflix and is a particularly good show, IMO.

Can't just ignore Community love, one of the best!

zzz...Pop Pop...zzz

OMG, ETL's sarcastic reaction to the toxicity. Ew. Then an apology. Ew. Pick a side.
VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

VOTE: No lynch

His name and avatar stir a wave of anger deep within me to boiling.

I know this feeling all too well.

Fuck, this is disappointing, they're town.
UNVOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

I don't like the Hoctac wagon.
VOTE: Hoctac

I am not open to lynching No Lynch.
Oh and I will not do a no lynch.

zzz...Power Growing...zzz

Down for Mastina wagon possibly

You talked about one person in this post and you didn't even vote for them.

Thanks for the response.

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ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

I'd say "effort != alignment", but that'd be a bit disingenuous of me considering that in this case I happen to think that the effort does have an impact on alignment--a

negative

one, so I should instead say:
Effort != town.

What makes you think I was talking about effort?

Eh, not effort exactly, but your reasons were "high post count" (not town indicative for ETL and can sometimes be the opposite; if I remember correctly, ETL can have lurkfest games as town but is always hyper-active as scum*) and "being actually excited"--something which in this game I'd call null-at-best, with the very real chance of it being scum-indicative.

And it's simpler to roll those two up into my stereotypical phrase, of effort != alignment (or in this case, effort != town).

*And before ETL can point out that she has hyper-active games as town, my post isn't saying she doesn't. It's saying she's

always

hyper-active as scum, whereas she's not ALWAYS hyper-active as town even if she's hyper-active as town most games.

Well, that's great.

You didn't say anything about excitement though and that is a bit telling since that was one of my main points.

And ESL was WAY more acting than anyone else itt for the first 5 pages.

But if you want to get ME a TR, go right ahead, I won't press you on that.

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im sorry if i dont just take your word for it, can someone

else

confirm

I mean my games are public record so it's not like I'd be lying about easily-confirmed, easily-provable information that is readily available for anyone to search up on their own.

"By looking at all my games over the past year."

O.....kaaaaayyyyyy

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SUPER BLUFFING

Say it ain't so.

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Quick, your salt dries and hardens my sturdy pole.
I will never die.
While you babble on about reads and who's this or who's that, there is a war brewing in your cells.
I am...zzz.z..z...z.z..z.zz..z..z.z..Spanos!
Get it? Because my glorious 5G Network spans across the globe?
Damn, I'm good.
Except, who the fuck still cares about The Avengers?
Fuck it, I'm not Spanos. I'm 5G Tower, that shits threatening enough.
I mean, why mess with a classic, right?

/thread

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I'm almost tempted to unvote mastina here

But are you Town?

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Put a percentage on FL being Town for me.

If the default were 50% for a user, I'd place him at somewhere in the 60-70% range.

Okay, so then it's NOT actually "very high probability" that they are Town. Good to know.

Someone look at that please.

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I more or less think it

far more likely

that FL is just not invested as town,

Thanks for you time.

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Here's my reads list...

Town:
Quick






ETL





Nero
Who Nero is voting
Everyone else







mastina

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And my excitement was and is genuine considering this is my first non newbie game in like 3 years. I was invited, saw the player list, and the proposed theme, and was very much looking forward to the game. My excitement was shot down as “not optimal town play” and I’ve lost my desire to be heavily involved this day phase. If you think you can argue that’s alignment indicative you need to re-evaluate your methods of pushing mislynches.

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Let's not ruin this game in 5 days okay?

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I skimmed the first 5 pages.

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

Okay, that is my first read. GLHF.

I agree that those are generally town indicative, but to the extent where you vote someone for pushing them - Some players are excited and hyperpost as scum, no? Did you have other reasons to townread them?

It's more about the ratio of posts than anything else. ETL had like 25% of the posts at that point, which is VERY high for someone like them.

the latter

Okay, thanks.

VOTE: Element

Also where was the lie in this?

Is No lynch a construct? I was under the assumption they were not based on their answer to me about it.

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I skimmed the first 5 pages.

ETL looks pretty townie? High post count and is ACTUALLY excited. But now they are serious.

Okay, that is my first read. GLHF.

I agree that those are generally town indicative, but to the extent where you vote someone for pushing them - Some players are excited and hyperpost as scum, no? Did you have other reasons to townread them?

It's more about the ratio of posts than anything else. ETL had like 25% of the posts at that point, which is VERY high for someone like them.

the latter

Okay, thanks.

VOTE: Element

Also where was the lie in this?

Is No lynch a construct? I was under the assumption they were not based on their answer to me about it.

EBWOP

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I mean, they're a player in this game (one letter is spelt differently) and it just seems like Elements interpreted "construct" that way, no?

Huh?

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I mean, they're a player in this game (one letter is spelt differently) and it just seems like Elements interpreted "construct" that way, no?

I suppose I can see that, yeah.

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ETL had like 25% of the posts at that point, which is VERY high for someone like them.

So you have experience with ETL that informs you?

They are an old school player. Games didn't used to run 200 pages and now they do. For an old school player to keep up like that shows what I said it shows. That it's very high volume for them and that they are excited to play the game.

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If you don't catch up, you will miss my hardclaim!

A quote from the player "No łynch".

Yeah, I am not really sure what you are trying to say here. I saw the post they are talking about. It was completely pointless.

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Okay then. Disregard 668, I misunderstood you.

What are some of your stronger reads? You don't have to have any locks or anything like that, but how are you leaning rn?

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I think Elements may be scum but I'm not so sure I should be voting there.. ?? what do you guys think

Why?

This was a reaction test. Someone said they found someone else scummy but weren't sure of voting, and Miss Lynch pushed them over it. So I mimicked that behaviour to see if ML would consistently react to it, which she did.

This is a pretty deep play for this early in the game. props.

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Strong townreads are: {Mastina, ETL, Miss Lynch, Nero Cain}
Nero is sheep read of Mastina.

I like your ISO quite a bit.

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:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

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Hasn't Hoctac been obvtown so far?

Maybe null town. But that is about it.

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I actually recognize more of this player list than I originally thought.

Nero, are you related to Eddie Came in any way?

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

Time out.

Is this serious?

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Actually I wonder if scum strategy would be to form a townblock and subvert it.
Being able to infect the universal TRs would be a great strategy.

VOTE: mastina

Good night.

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You mean we can actually get a wagon going on farside?

Yeee dogggy!

VOTE: farside22

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Im null on faside now btw.

I liked farsides questioning early but farside thinks its hollow.

Nero thinks im legit scumhunting more than farside.

farside doesnt agree and is pushing me as scum.

Interesting take as you admit farside isn't scum hunting.

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Votecount 1.26

mastina(3)

~ Saudade(34), EspeciallyTheLies(86), Quick(53)

Vecna(2)

~ Alchemist21(21), Voted(41)

Tchill13(2)

~ farside22(42), Hoctac(35)

Saudade(2)

~ 50 Judge Powers(22), Tchill13(28)

farside22(2)

~ Nero Cain(58), davesaz(34)

Alchemist21(2)

~ Vecna(68), Auro(62)

Hoctac(1)

~ Elements(23)

EspeciallyTheLies(1)

~ mastina(42)


Not Voting (6): Creature(0), 5G Tower(10), Jake the Wolfie(4), Aristophanes(9), Flavor Leaf(21), Miss Lynch(77)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-05-19 13:00:00)

MOD REMINDERS

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2.

Please note the prodding rules. You are prodded after 32 hours of inactivity except on Saturday-Monday.

3. MathBlade's automated votecounter doesn't appear to track No Lynch votes properly. I'm still waiting for a response from him.
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I gotta say, this looks really good right now. Let's not screw the pouch and have it all fall apart in 4 days.

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Im null on faside now btw.

I liked farsides questioning early but farside thinks its hollow.

Nero thinks im legit scumhunting more than farside.

farside doesnt agree and is pushing me as scum.

Interesting take as you admit farside isn't scum hunting.

farside them self said it was hollow what am I supposed to think of that lol.

What was hollow? That they are not scum hunting or something else?

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[quote="In post 810not really town reading Vecna but my blood lust has dissipated.
was overly conscious.[/quote]

What made it change?

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IDK how to fix that.

Nero, what change for you on who you were voting before? (sorry bad with names, so don't know. The guy with the beavis and butthead avi).

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I don’t Know how to deal with alignment switches so I’m not gonna worry about it until tomorrow

I think it's critical to know whether infected become aware of who other infected and/or mafia are, or if they just know they're infected.
I don't remember if the 1st page said anything about this. I think it's too close to bedtime to try to grok it right now.

If farside wants to NOT scumhunt, they should really be saying things like this and not what they are actually saying. Just saying.

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"Oh, but this is SUCH a WEIRD GAME! I Don't understand what is going on. Send halp!"

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farside doesnt agree and is pushing me as scum.

farside is just sitting on you. I don't think she's hunting. lol

Yeah,, I kinda think there are MULTIPLE reasons to vote farside rn. *shrug*

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Quick, your salt dries and hardens my sturdy pole.
I will never die.
While you babble on about reads and who's this or who's that, there is a war brewing in your cells.
I am...zzz.z..z...z.z..z.zz..z..z.z..Spanos!
Get it? Because my glorious 5G Network spans across the globe?
Damn, I'm good.
Except, who the fuck still cares about The Avengers?
Fuck it, I'm not Spanos. I'm 5G Tower, that shits threatening enough.
I mean, why mess with a classic, right?

we can lynch this. Just another schtick for someone who doenst know how to play with real content when they roll scum so they fluff as either alignment to get by 24/7.

unless someone has history with this player and can dispute my statement?

This is a pretty bad post my guy.

Let's focus on actual Scum instead of nobodies.

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:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

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Please infect Dave

Are you aware you're both implying you know I'm (currently) town?

Oof.

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no we cant but I have a dream where we site wide PL players like this for 3 months and irradicate the mindset lol

VOTE: saudade

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Put a percentage on FL being Town for me.

If the default were 50% for a user, I'd place him at somewhere in the 60-70% range.

Okay, so then it's NOT actually "very high probability" that they are Town. Good to know.

Someone look at that please.

I more or less think it

far more likely

that FL is just not invested as town,

Thanks for you time.

Actually, could this just mean mastina is Town?

Still, Saud had a decent point on mastina after thinking about it over night.

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VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Let's pressure this slot and see if they have any playing ability?

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I would not say I'm sitting. I took a step back when no one followed my logic.

but you never threw out a tchill case? if you didn't why did you expect anyone to sheep you? If you did can you quote it?

Was their vote RVS?

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no

Okay, perhaps I moved my vote too quickly.

In any case, I don't really like Tchill but I also really don't like Wolfie.

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So as I said earlier about tchill was his actions don't match his vote as one of the more serious players in the game.

Farside seems alright, pretty even in the approach of the game atm.

Auro is meh lean scum. Little too much posts with little to no game comments for my liking this early.

Farside seems alright, pretty even in the approach of the game atm.

Auro is meh lean scum. Little too much posts with little to no game comments for my liking this early.

ETL do you think ML as scum would be willing to grab the spot light and tunnel you on a semi absurd reason? do you consider that good scum play this early?

No. She's probably town.

auro - seems scummy b/c contentless posts. FIVE contentless posts.

Make it 8 now!

@Miss Lynch: I watched Community years ago, it's one of my FAVORITE shows! Sadly it's not on Netflix in India right now for another rewatch.

VOTE: Auro

Because I'm actually binging on a bunch of TV shows, don't want to expend much mental energy right now?

Sure: I've played with Miss Lynch before, skimmed her scum meta, and I believe this level of early conviction and emotion in a push is town indicative.
EspeciallyALiar for involvement, progressing the game, and pushing me when I was "buddying up" to the slot.
Vecna because he's my mason buddy.
farside for involvement, progressing the game, and familiar meta from a recent game.

hmmmk. thanks.

VOTE: hoctac

that didnt last long.

I find it odd you immediately vote the guy I was shading then back off after a pretty quick resolution when you've already showed you can play with some real conviction.

pretty easy to come out from your suspicion it seems ETL.

Talks about Auro as scum with no follow up and questions EtL about the actions. His follow up is he felt better about EtL but what happened with auro.
He votes for venca out of the blue

that didnt last long.

I find it odd you immediately vote the guy I was shading then back off after a pretty quick resolution when you've already showed you can play with some real conviction.

pretty easy to come out from your suspicion it seems ETL.

I was interested in Auro because he had said absolutely nothing of an import. I wanted to get more from him. I did.

I don't want to play with conviction anymore. It doesn't do any good.

I just found it odd that i vote you, i shade someone, you vote said shade then you move on relatively quick.

Its a little weird that nobody really pushed you after the fiasco but it seems like your handling of auro will suffice for now.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: vecna

Townreads on farside, EspeciallyTheLies, Miss Lynch, Vecna.

Alchemist you wanna try and explain what feels off in Vecna's tone? I find certain elements almost exactly matching his play in the last game I've seen him town in, like somewhat exaggerated reasoning to townread someone early.

This wasn't the approach I thought I would see people would take in the game though, considering it's basically a bastard cult game.

Yeah.....this shit is gonna fuck with me bigtime

alignment changes? oof

Scratch the shit I told you Nero, hypersuspicion is back on the menu

this just pings me. Seems like the "realization" would make him seem more town. He defended ML but never pushed ETL. Waited till the end to call that TvT.

Seems to have sprinkled in playful banter with auro and nero.

very easy sailing on vecna's ship atm. Some would say he's just riding the wave. Not rocking the boat.... (out of boat euphemisms)

It just seems strange that the player who read all the general rules missed the setup information.

And this is why ML looked even townier in the initial interaction

UNVOTE:

It was mainly to see what would happen. I liked what I seen.

Bottom of 7. It's a work day and posting speed is exceeding reading speed.
I didn't notice the player list that much before. Hype.

VOTE: Hoctac
for making an alt/hydra that I'm going to confuse with too many people.

<in before someone says "ooh, delayed rvs after he had already posted!!!!">

was hoping there'd be a semi serious reason here?

VOTE: hoctac

He stated one reason for the ping on venca then unvotes and jumps on hoctac just to look busy.

Now he's calling it reactionary but I don't see how that vote on hoctac is reactionary. Or why he dropped a read on the only player he called a lean scum read.
Why is it suspicious of EtL to throw shade on a player he scum reads?

Things like that just didn't make sense to me.

In short I see those light jabs, things that go no where and then back to rando voting to blend in more coming from scum.

Where in this did you vote for Tchill? You can't really rightly give reasons that happen after the fact if you get what I am saying. What WERE your reasons for voting Tchill?

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:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

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she's saying that

I'm going to put a pin on hotoc because I feel like he is being goofy, these votes are piling on him with ease and it really is bothering me with some players.

VOTE: Tchil

was her reasoning to vote tchill

Uhg.

farside, why are you writing walls now?

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she's saying that

I'm going to put a pin on hotoc because I feel like he is being goofy, these votes are piling on him with ease and it really is bothering me with some players.

VOTE: Tchil

was her reasoning to vote tchill

Uhg.

farside, why are you writing walls now?

I typically post on my phone and walls really suck on the phone. Found a moment to get my lazy ass off the couch and come to my computer to post stuff for games other then a few post.

Okay. I feel like an honest answer would be something like, "I was getting a lot of pressure and decided to get off my ass and do something about it." but you do you I guess.

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Dave and alchemist looked like how I feel.

Can you unpack this a bit? Dave is just being Dave from what I can see. alc is pretty much not doing anything really.

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Combine that with a chunk of players not taking the game so seriously because of the nature of the setup and I’m not surprised at the difficulty of getting good reads here.

Yeah, I get what you are saying here. It's a true statement. However, I don't really think you have demonstrated taking the game seriously yet. I get you are more of a "serious player" but I haven't really seen you do anything yet.

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but you are pushing tchill for p much the same reasoning.

This strikes me funny. It doesn't seem like farside really made the argument that they were pushing Tchill for "not scumhunting" but something else. Am I wrong here?

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Okay, I stand corrected. I have zero problems with Alchemist21 after an ISO.

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Just assume I have reading comprehension problems people. I think you can TR me if you do that.

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I wonder what would happen if I threaten to tank my play if I'm infected.

Because winning doesn't matter

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Combine that with a chunk of players not taking the game so seriously because of the nature of the setup and I’m not surprised at the difficulty of getting good reads here.

Yeah, I get what you are saying here. It's a true statement. However, I don't really think you have demonstrated taking the game seriously yet. I get you are more of a "serious player" but I haven't really seen you do anything yet.

That’s fair. I know I don’t have a lot content-wise yet, and I honestly don’t expect anyone who knows me to be able to read me one way or the other yet. I can kinda get Vecna’s scumread on me because my playstyle this game is one that’s usually scumread by people who don’t know me. I hate Mastina’s scumread on me because I would think by now she should know better than to read my by how much I’m posting instead of what I’m actually saying, but I don’t think it’s necessarily scummy of her to be wrong in that regard.

Honestly, after an ISO of you I don't get ANY of the SRs on you.

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@Alchamist21

I believe you were in a game I was in. One game is moot but I have played with you before. I was in a hydra with someone in that game so you might not know that I was in that game.

Any chance I can get a few reads from you IF you have any?

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I am posting too much.

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Some people played with Alchemist, he is not an under the radar player. I remember a game he lurked a lot as scum and made some pretty weak cases until he was pushed. This game is just different and with 3 scums in the game, weeding through the shit storm, this game just gets that much more difficult to get reads on players.

This line doesn't really work with me because if the game is mountainous it's basically what it should be regarding EV.

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@Alchamist21

I believe you were in a game I was in. One game is moot but I have played with you before. I was in a hydra with someone in that game so you might not know that I was in that game.

Any chance I can get a few reads from you IF you have any?

It’s pretty much all Townreads.

With the early ETL/Miss Lynch stuff I thought ETL looked really Towny and and Miss Lynch looked more likely Town than not.

Farside looks Town to me. She’s coming back to the site after being away for years and people back then usually gave reasons for their votes instead of wagoning for wagoning’s sake so it makes sense to me that she’s be thrown off and all the loose votes being thrown around. I’m not even sure she was active back when spamposting was a huge issue.

Tchill I’m Townreading. I had a bit of doubt when he made that weird vote but from what I remember scum Tchill has very little thread presence and his latest posts are what I’d expect from Town Tchill.

I haven’t moved my vote off Vecna because I have no strong pings yet, but I’m not really married to my vote here. I think 3 different people said this is what Town Vecna looks like so I probably am wrong here.

It wouldn’t surprise me if 1-2 scum were in the people who had to be replaced. Someone pointed out Momo confirmed and didn’t post, and Creature’s an easy read so if that’s scum it should be apparent soon enough.

:Thrumbsup:

Thanks.

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Just assume I have reading comprehension problems people

i already knew that.

Thanks for understanding. But this comment was unnecessary.

No need to rub it in Nero.

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Thanks for understanding.

np. Its what I do, bro.

VOTE: Nero

J/K

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

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Uhhh, 30 pages. Do I really have to catch up?

All you need to know, is that you should join me. Become the network you have inside you.
My power grows and grows.
When will it stop? No body knows!
Wait, I do. It won't stop.
#cantstopwontstop

Can we kill this?

Good lord, Tchill was right about you.

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Oh, BTW,

I was expecting someone to notice, but they haven't yet.

My Meta is different now.

Okay thanks, GLHF

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Nero, the only reason I would sheep you think game is because I haven't in the past. How do you feel about that?

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*this

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I'm indifferent

That is a vague answer.

But I get your point that you don't care.

Perhaps I can get you to care a bit more?

What is your read on me?

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I'm indifferent

You don't feel like generating a read on me?

How has my content been this game?

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Spoiler:

Just keep swimming nero.

Fixed spoilering. Use spoiler=.
~Covid 19

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Spoiler didn't work for some reason.

I have been away so long IDK how to do spoilers. SMH

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??????

I told you an amazing parable and this is how you treat me?

tricksy and false is what you are.

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I mean I do have a hydra named Gollum...

And you smelled that wrong.

How about giving a read on me now?

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TOWN
Auro
Quick
Vecna
Dave
Miss Lynch
Nero
Alchemist
Farside

NULL
Creature
Jake
50
Elements
Flavor leaf

PL
5G
Voted
Saudade

SCUM
Mastina
Hoctac?
Ari?
Tchill

Let's kill 5G for fun?

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Hote take: Creature is Scum.

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

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How about giving a read on me now?

I think you think you are better than you really are. I told you that I'm indifferent towards you and honestly? I don't give a shit. I had a post a page or two back about who I wanted to lynch at this point and you weren't on it so...

It annoys me greatly that you keep asking me questions I've already answered.

All this other stuff is pointless, thanks.

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I had a post a page or two back about who I wanted to lynch at this point and you weren't on it so...

Okay, then don't give a shit, I really don't care.

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I had a post a page or two back about who I wanted to lynch at this point and you weren't on it so...

Okay, then don't give a shit, I really don't care.[/quote]

EBWOP

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Whatever.

You don't care but you don't want to lynch me. Poitless besides you read me as Town.

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VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Let's pressure this slot and see if they have any playing ability?

Look at this galoomba

Much Big! Very Wow! Amazipantz! Good stuff! Have my baby!

Yeah, you can die.

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Why is Tchill being wagoned? I’m relying on him being an anchor for me when I find the time to be here

I am wagoning him because people are split on him and no one wants to vote for worthless slots atm.

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Let's not fuck things up in 4 days okay?

P-edit: ...

P-edit2: Yeah, I'm pretty town at this point.

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I'll be the town jester this game, consider me a bot.

Don't. It's not cute.

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Whatever.

You don't care but you don't want to lynch me. Poitless besides you read me as Town.

?????


Did I break Quick in his first game back?

Why would you care to do that to me?

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I am currently working on finding a vaccine that should make us all immune to this evil virus. I am also working on finding a cure to those who will get infected before I can find the vaccine. The thing is everytime I think of a cure/vaccine I find that Trump had tweeted about it already. Give me a break.

Keep us posted. If there is more of the same, good on you. If not, maybe you shouldn't play Mafia.

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Let me see if I still fail at spoilers...

Spoiler:

[YouTube]gQVST5ubeTk

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TOWN
Auro
Quick
Vecna
Dave
Miss Lynch
Nero
Alchemist
Farside

NULL
Creature
Jake
50
Elements
Flavor leaf

PL
5G
Voted
Saudade

SCUM
Mastina
Hoctac?
Ari?
Tchill

Let's kill 5G for fun?

How is lynching the most fun player in the game fun?

At least then lets lynch an unfun gimmick (hint:voted or hopac)

Let's do Wolfie instead? Not even a gimmick there..............

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Why would you care to do that to me?

I never knew I was trying to.

Oh, I guess you are wrong then. Carry on.

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

Learn to play. Thanks.

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

How about you teach me how to play so I don't make a fool of myself?

Like instead of basically naked voting me?

Like, perhaps this is D1 and we have very little to go on? And perhaps I am voting on a wagon?

And perhaps my preferred pressure is on worthless slots? I could go Creature, how does that sound?

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

Learn to play. Thanks.

Insulting me isn’t a valid counterpoint. You’ve been nothing if not opportunistic since you started posting. Every time a viable wagon appeared you came up with a reason to jump on, on top of calling for PLs on low hanging fruit. You look townie, for sure, but your actions speak louder.

Okay, let's go after Scum instead then.

VOTE: Creature

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

How about you teach me how to play so I don't make a fool of myself?

Like instead of basically naked voting me?

Like, perhaps this is D1 and we have very little to go on? And perhaps I am voting on a wagon?

And perhaps my preferred pressure is on worthless slots? I could go Creature, how does that sound?

What are you even doing here? You basically admit that you know I’m town by pleading with me to “learn to play” and trying to explain things I haven’t been even mentioned or asked about yet. It comes off as super defensive for no reason, and then you change your vote to someone who hasn’t even posted yet because...? Appeasing much?

How about you ISO me and see where I SR Tchill? How does that sound?

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I am 100% convinced Quick is scum. A very good scum, but scum nonetheless.

Okay, you're lying, but whatever.

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ETL is pretty scummy with some of her takes, like the over the top one on Quick just now. Happy to lynch her whenever.

Tchill has momentum though and I've always wanted to sit on the front row of a bus before, so I'm staying on board just in case we get more passengers.

Sheep Nero on Creature. That is where the money is rn.

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funnily enough, id normally scumread and death tunnel someone into the ground for this level of dissonance from my own thoughts, but I cant shake the feeling the slot actually believes the stuff its producing and is willing to start 7 new crusades over it.

HOW ABOUT YOU ASK IF YOU'RE SO DAMNED CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT IM DOING? Jesus.

Are you just trying to PL me for posting to much or what?

I can rescind my TR on you if you want?

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Omfg. Do you consider that maybe ignoring posts directed at you multiple times while you talk shit about them to other people might be annoying to someone?

Slow down, my God!

Who is ignoring stuff?

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Oh, BTW,

I was expecting someone to notice, but they haven't yet.

My Meta is different now.

Okay thanks, GLHF

ETL, how do you feel about this?

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Oh wait, Ircher is the mod

Damn, thought he would be a player

Kill this.

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Oh, BTW,

I was expecting someone to notice, but they haven't yet.

My Meta is different now.

Okay thanks, GLHF

ETL, how do you feel about this?

??? I think it’s a narcissistic and irrelevant post.

Okay, but:

1. I'm not trying to brag and
2. It's true

Unless you think I should think no one should think any good of me, then fair enough.

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Oh wait, Ircher is the mod

Damn, thought he would be a player

Kill this.

Idk what's wrong with you?

Just Town yourself into oblivion and I will vote for someone else.

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Oh, BTW,

I was expecting someone to notice, but they haven't yet.

My Meta is different now.

Okay thanks, GLHF

ETL, how do you feel about this?

??? I think it’s a narcissistic and irrelevant post.

Okay, but:

1. I'm not trying to brag and
2. It's true

Unless you think I should think no one should think any good of me, then fair enough.

What?? Who is even talking about your meta? I don’t care about meta of players I don’t know. It doesn’t help me at all.

Well okay, but you still suck at reading me because you are 100% sure I am Scum, am really good at Scum, and that is why I should be lynched. Is that correct or is there something more about your case you lied about?

I haven't even played in almost 2 years so I am not really sure why you think I have some God tier Scum game. Have you ever seen me play as Scum, or are you just using general reasoning here?

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I don’t think it’s fair. Everyone else gets to be part of the conversation. They get to make votes and posts and have a discussion. No one talks to me. That talk around me about me and say how I must be some terrible player. Do you know how frustrating that gets? Knowing you have good things to contribute and no one gives a shit? This has been a common theme for the last few games I’ve played and I’m sick of it.

Actually, I know exactly what you are saying.

People think I am a shit player, Am confusing as all fuck, can't read, and posted too much.

But good luck lynching me this game I guess.

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At least something is going on so that's good

Okay...

UNVOTE:

IDK where to vote at this point.

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Hey creature, long time no see. how you doing?

Idk, tried to go full-time writer but I guess going back here is a defeat

What type of writing?

Save that for D2 so I can Town clear you...

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Hey creature, long time no see. how you doing?

Idk, tried to go full-time writer but I guess going back here is a defeat

What type of writing?

Save that for D2 so I can Town clear you...

Oh oops

Not you, silly.

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ETL,

Can you like, ISO me or something? Perhaps make an actual case that I can respond to?

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It may sound arrogant but I have a probable track record of being a great scum hunter. This isn’t a brag it’s a researchable thing. Knowing that about my own work and being treated like a fucking noob is awful. I don’t expect anything other than what everyone else gets. And I don’t even get that.

this is mafia. It isnt about reputation unless youve given a high enough quantity of social handjobs to people.

Everyone is high on their own opinion. Unless youre that one charismatic bastard and can convince them, theyre unlikely to listen to reason theyre not seeing themselves.

And your approach is not going your cause here.

Take this as you will.

*sigh* I’m not asking for recognition or to be treated like a superstar. I’m explaining why I’m upset. As I said, all I expect is the same treatment that everyone else gets. Instead I’m being treated like a moron and instead of being asked when someone doesn’t understand what I’ve done or why, I get to watch people talk to each other about how awful a player I must be. That’s not happening to other people. So...

Why are you upset? It really sounds like you are upset for people saying you are upset. If that is the reason, I get it because I have been there. But it doesn't actually help YOU.

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

Okay, what is so bad about my vote here? I said I was SRing Tchill before voting them?

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VOTE: Tchill13

Lot of controversy on this slot so going to vote it.

You destroyed my town read with a single post. That’s talent.

VOTE: quick
I’m not moving from this until it’s gone. Make it happen.

Okay, what is so bad about my vote here? I said I was SRing Tchill before voting them?

Then why didn’t you vote until after it became viable?

I explained that as well. Perhaps you should ISO me?

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Stop it. Stop saying “ISO me”. I’ve done that already. You didn’t explain anything. If you were suspicious of tchill why did you wait until other people voted him for you?

Because no one wanted to vote for worthless spots...

And worthless spots are bad in this game because there are not many NKs.

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VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Let's pressure this slot and see if they have any playing ability?

Look at this galoomba

Much Big! Very Wow! Amazipantz! Good stuff! Have my baby!

Yeah, you can die.

IDK maybe I voted Tchill BEFORE this? But then I thought Wolfie would be a better place to go, in which case, that doesn't help your case much!

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VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

Let's pressure this slot and see if they have any playing ability?

Look at this galoomba

Much Big! Very Wow! Amazipantz! Good stuff! Have my baby!

Yeah, you can die.

IDK maybe I voted Tchill BEFORE this? But then I thought Wolfie would be a better place to go, in which case, that doesn't help your case much!

Uh ok. So Jake had more votes than tchill is that what you’re saying?

IDK. I wasn't even paying attention to how many votes were on Wolfie at the time. I just saw like one of their posts early in the game and thought, "this slot is junk" so voted it. So basically, you have no case because I either vote Tchill who I was SRing or I am voting for a worthless slot. IDK what your case is besides that, but you are clearly thinking I am a better player than I really am.

P-Edit: well, if a bunch of people have Jake on their PL list, not sure why there are no votes there. I know pretty much nothing about site meta at this point. Just being honest here.

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What is a “worthless slot” then? If you weren’t paying attention to how many votes were out why did it matter whether tchill had a wagon or not?

Because, as I said, people were SPLIT on him, which generates INFO.

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Worthless, meaning, Doesn't actually do anything, low post count, no Scumhunting, just waiting their time with a game, basically.

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Stop it. Stop saying “ISO me”. I’ve done that already. You didn’t explain anything. If you were suspicious of tchill why did you wait until other people voted him for you?

Because no one wanted to vote for worthless spots...

And worthless spots are bad in this game because there are not many NKs.

Also I don’t get this comment. From my understanding the scum still get a nk... and twice they can also kill an infected person. Is that wrong?

"not many" does not mean "none". I am a lot more careful with the language I use than mastina is.

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What is a “worthless slot” then? If you weren’t paying attention to how many votes were out why did it matter whether tchill had a wagon or not?

Because, as I said, people were SPLIT on him, which generates INFO.

What does that’s have to do with you deciding not to vote a scumread?

Tchill was a SR? Not sure I get you at this point. It looks like you are reaching for a case that isn't there.

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Stop it. Stop saying “ISO me”. I’ve done that already. You didn’t explain anything. If you were suspicious of tchill why did you wait until other people voted him for you?

Because no one wanted to vote for worthless spots...

And worthless spots are bad in this game because there are not many NKs.

Also I don’t get this comment. From my understanding the scum still get a nk... and twice they can also kill an infected person. Is that wrong?

"not many" does not mean "none". I am a lot more careful with the language I use than mastina is.

Ok but “not many” implies “less than expected”, and it seems to me this game actually gets 2 MORE nightkills than expected. Just trying to understand.

AFAIK, Mafia ONLY get 2 kills, not all their NKs and on top of that +2 NKs. That is how I read it, but I could be wrong.

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What is a “worthless slot” then? If you weren’t paying attention to how many votes were out why did it matter whether tchill had a wagon or not?

Because, as I said, people were SPLIT on him, which generates INFO.

What does that’s have to do with you deciding not to vote a scumread?

Tchill was a SR? Not sure I get you at this point. It looks like you are reaching for a case that isn't there.

Are you gaslighting me man? You literally just said you were scumreading him before voting Jake.

"IN THE CASE THAT" should be implied.

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Look, It almost looks like you are looking for a slip of some sort. There is NO SLIP.

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Stop it. Stop saying “ISO me”. I’ve done that already. You didn’t explain anything. If you were suspicious of tchill why did you wait until other people voted him for you?

Because no one wanted to vote for worthless spots...

And worthless spots are bad in this game because there are not many NKs.

Also I don’t get this comment. From my understanding the scum still get a nk... and twice they can also kill an infected person. Is that wrong?

"not many" does not mean "none". I am a lot more careful with the language I use than mastina is.

Ok but “not many” implies “less than expected”, and it seems to me this game actually gets 2 MORE nightkills than expected. Just trying to understand.

AFAIK, Mafia ONLY get 2 kills, not all their NKs and on top of that +2 NKs. That is how I read it, but I could be wrong.

Mafia can infect someone each Night and can NK within the pool of infected players. They get 2 kills outside of that.

Well then I read the setup wrong because I skimmed it.

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OOOOHHHHHH

Mafia do not HAVE to kill infected players. Makes WAY more sense now.

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Look, It almost looks like you are looking for a slip of some sort. There is NO SLIP.

No. I’m questioning the timing of your votes.

GLHF

People are not inherently logical. This is one of the first things I said in this game.

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OOOOHHHHHH

Mafia do not HAVE to kill infected players. Makes WAY more sense now.

It seems scumsided to me

Yeah, I totally goofed on the setup. I thought it was a cult game and Mafia (who were the cult [that makes no sense, what was I thinking?]) and there was a cult vs Town and the cult had a bonus +2 kills.

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Look, It almost looks like you are looking for a slip of some sort. There is NO SLIP.

No. I’m questioning the timing of your votes.

GLHF

People are not inherently logical. This is one of the first things I said in this game.

Right which is why I’m asking you to just walk me through it. It doesn’t have to be “logical” if you can explain what you were thinking when you did it.

Honestly, I don't remember. I just remember wanting to vote for Tchill because it was a spicy take on things and I also wanted (want, really) to get rid of worthless slots because my assumption of the setup was that this was a cult game. But when getting rid of worthless slots didn't take (because when does that actually work?) I voted for Tchill (who I was SRing).

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OOOOHHHHHH

Mafia do not HAVE to kill infected players. Makes WAY more sense now.

It seems scumsided to me

Yeah, I totally goofed on the setup. I thought it was a cult game and Mafia (who were the cult [that makes no sense, what was I thinking?]) and there was a cult vs Town and the cult had a bonus +2 kills.

Are they not the cult? Or you mean you thought there was town + mafia + cult?

No, I thought they were Mafia that was a cult, but their main dig in this was operating like a cult and NOT like Mafia.

So the way I saw it was, Mafia are a cult faction essentially, but they get a bonus +2 kills (such as to kill people that can immune people or something).

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Look, It almost looks like you are looking for a slip of some sort. There is NO SLIP.

No. I’m questioning the timing of your votes.

GLHF

People are not inherently logical. This is one of the first things I said in this game.

Right which is why I’m asking you to just walk me through it. It doesn’t have to be “logical” if you can explain what you were thinking when you did it.

Honestly, I don't remember. I just remember wanting to vote for Tchill because it was a spicy take on things and I also wanted (want, really) to get rid of worthless slots because my assumption of the setup was that this was a cult game. But when getting rid of worthless slots didn't take (because when does that actually work?) I voted for Tchill (who I was SRing).

And it just happened to be right after he got 3 votes. Purely coincidental?

3 votes and more than 10 days till deadline on D1. Plus, I have been constantly telling people not to fuck everything up in 4 days when Town begins to totally lose it and starts acting mentally challenged.

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Got it.

Does that change anything for you?

It just makes me hate worthless spots more because Mafia don't even need to NK them and can just have them as wasted lynches given the worthless spots are Town. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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So we should assume that at some point there will be at least one infected person that hasn’t gained immunity plus 3 mafia. So LYLO happens one day earlier.

Unpack this.

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Got it.

Does that change anything for you?

It just makes me hate worthless spots more because Mafia don't even need to NK them and can just have them as wasted lynches given the worthless spots are Town. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Who are the “worthless spots” to you? Besides Jake.

5G is pretty worthless, I have to say...

Hactoc(?) made one good post so I want to see what else they do.

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So we should assume that at some point there will be at least one infected person that hasn’t gained immunity plus 3 mafia. So LYLO happens one day earlier.

Unpack this.

Ok so. I’m thinking it might work something like, they can infect a person and their role and alignment changes. But maybe they don’t actually join the team, just alignment. Until a certain period of time has passed without being killed, and then they become immune. However while they’re infected they’re aligned with the mafia and mafia wincon is parity. So let’s they infect people. They kill one every night, but because they can only kill one, there’s maybe others out there they can’t kill yet. By the time LYLO happens, we can’t count on the numbers being 3+4, assuming no mafia lynched right. It will more likely be at least one infected (mafia) + mafia + remaining town, which increases mafia numbers making LYLO happen sooner.

Or Mafia infects one person and the Town person spreads it someone.

Wow, what did I sign up for?

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Also, Mafia might be able to kill all/any infected players whatever night they want. That's scary.

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I wonder if it would benefit us to announce if we’ve been infected? There’s bound to be someone with the ability to target infected with a cure or something.

That would probably be the most optimal move but is probably also considered as playing against your new wincon. Whoever gets infected should check with the mod about that if the mod doesn’t just shoot down the idea in thread.

Except people are not going to know they are infected...

Time to get tested, but ONLY if you have symptoms!

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Also, Mafia might be able to kill all/any infected players whatever night they want. That's scary.

I think they can only kill one based on what it says. I’m mobile or I’d go copy/paste again

Think of the roles there are...

Mafia probably have at least one arsonist.

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I don’t remember what is an arsonist

They "oil" one player a night who they can then "ignite" all at once once a game to kill all those oiled.

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I don’t remember what is an arsonist

They go around dousing people in gas each Night and then on a single night they ignite the gas and kill everyone they doused.

Yeah, this is the correct version IIRC.

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Claiming scum by yourself or with other players is fine provided that it is clear to the moderator you are not attempting to throw the game.

@mod: HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if an infected person were to claim they were infected for the purpose of hoping someone had a cure, Would it be considered throwing the game?

Yup, my TR on you was spot on.

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I don’t remember what is an arsonist

They go around dousing people in gas each Night and then on a single night they ignite the gas and kill everyone they doused.

Gross.... ok. Well.... I have to trust that town is equally stacked then.

Gotta have faith-uh faith-uh faith-AHHH

The assumption is that very few people have it at first and it grows exponentially. But IDK if that is how it works or not. If that's the case, then the Mafia are actually already "infected".

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reserved - tomorrow

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This happens a lot to me...

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I still hold that Mafia might have an arsonist, but that might only be ONE of their roles. They might also have a GF and/or a Cult Leader.

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Don't prod me yet plz I'm getting there with this.

Taking longer than I'd hoped

Just vote for Creature.

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You’re not. I was baiting people.

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You’re not. I was baiting people.

I'd love to know what you found out there.

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This is too much.

ETL, did anyone follow you on me?

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You’re not. I was baiting people.

I'd love to know what you found out there.

I wanted to get tchills reaction primarily but I also wanted to see who would call me out for putting him there. Tchill wasn’t around it seemed and people were just in my ass about other shit so I voted him to see who would hop on now that it had 3 people. That’s why I jumped on you for that. You see?

Yeah, but I hope you can see my reasons were legit.

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I only SR Tchill for his horrible post about 5G.

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I only SR Tchill for his horrible post about 5G.

back tracking and making excuses really quick

if you disagree then you disagree. its NAI.

It just felt weird, honestly. IDK why you said it the way you did, basically.

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My guess is that all the people posting now are Town.

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Sorry, Ari, you didn't make the cut.

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Day 1, I have no information or flips to work with, so I'll be in cruise control, observing in the background.

Day 2, it's still pretty early and 99% of players will claim to have "reads" and "feelings" when in reality they might as well consult a random number generator for their reads which would probably be just as if not more accurate.

Day 3, there's been a few flips by now. I could maybe make one weak read, MAX two. We're getting somewhere.

Day 4, I might be able to make my first scumread. This depends on whether I'm a cop with a guilty though. If not, I'll probably have a townread at this point.

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Day 7, now THIS is where the fun begins. At this point the game will be cracked wide open for me with all the info. While most players will be scrambling to find some dumb solves that they think hold any ground, I'll hard ANALYSE and BREAK OPEN the thread, and come up with a scumsolve in a matter of days. I'm not kidding, this WILL happen if I'm alive on Day 7. I have a proven track record, and scum would be idiots to leave me alive until then.

I agree with the overall sentiment but ive figured out a way im comfortable playing with the same mindset that you just stated while also trying to contribute to actual game play. To each their own I guess. I'll believe it when I see it.

Wrong. We are solving this game by D5.

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...can someone give me a new avatar? This one spooks me.

https://www.google.com/imghp?hl=en

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VOTE: Jake the Wolfie
VOTE: Creature
VOTE: mastina

I still think there is money here.

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"traps" and "reaction tests" are kinda low tier plays

O rly?

Day infect: Nero

Don't joke like that unless you can pull it off. Don't know if you can or not.

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Pretty likely scum is in the lurkers. We should be wagoning there.

"screams Suaded louder"

Okay...

VOTE: Saudad

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Actually, no. This is spicier...

VOTE: Miss Lynch

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Actually, no. This is spicier...

VOTE: Miss Lynch

No. What?

"Scum is in the Lurkers"

Is a sentiment I HIGHLY agree with.

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suaded is a lurker...

lurking around the wuhan facility and getting us infected. he needs to GO.

I'd rather go here, honestly.

VOTE: Jake the Wolfie

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Bah. What will we get from it though? That’s the problem. If we’re gonna lynch a lurky person t should be one that has had other people discussing it. Otherwise we really get nothing.

Sure. Hence we wagon them to generate discussion, probably cycle through a few, and then proceed to lynch.

Well yeah but you don’t generally say that’s what you’re doing or it defeats the purpose if they know they aren’t actually getting lynched. This kinda stuff happens naturally anyway for the most part, especially on day one.

That's why we lynch worthless slots.

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I am perfectly fine lynching Wolfie. Call my bet or get something better going.

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Bah. What will we get from it though? That’s the problem. If we’re gonna lynch a lurky person t should be one that has had other people discussing it. Otherwise we really get nothing.

Sure. Hence we wagon them to generate discussion, probably cycle through a few, and then proceed to lynch.

Well yeah but you don’t generally say that’s what you’re doing or it defeats the purpose if they know they aren’t actually getting lynched. This kinda stuff happens naturally anyway for the most part, especially on day one.

That's why we lynch worthless slots.

THUS. HOCTAC.

5G is worse. And Wolfie doesn't even have a gimmick.

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I like annoying Nero.

I'm not very annoyed. try harder.

You really are not trying very hard Nero. Are you Scum? Honest answers only.

P-Edit. Yeah, because Saud actually adds value to the game and all these other players don't.

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Saud actually adds value to the game and all these other players don't

wat

thank goodness someone else disagrees.

Okay, but I think Wolfie is probably the best lynch imaginable at this point. Who disagrees with that?

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i'm pretty null on Jake. I don't expect a scum flip but I also wouldn't be surprised if he flips scum. He wouldn't be a bad d1 flip but at the same time it feels like....so underwhelming.

Nero, where are you voting because it's probably Town.

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You really are not trying very hard Nero. Are you Scum? Honest answers only.

you are really bad @ this aren't you?

Spoiler:

I wish I could just let go right now.

I might actually think you could be Scum here too.

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VOTE: Creature

BTW Nero, you're sheeping me on Creature. Remember that.

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I might actually think you could be Scum here too.

that's ok, I think you are a moron. Let's just think the worst of each other.

Pretty sure ad homs are logical fallicies.

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I'm voting Ari you cad.

Did you mean COD?

No?

Okay.

Well, there are a log of better votes than Saud rn.

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VOTE: Creature

BTW Nero, you're sheeping me on Creature. Remember that.

vote number 3.

I have no idea what you are saying here.

In any case...

Did Creature seriously clear himself for having a casual conversation about writing novels?

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he was very QUICK to show us how indecisive he is.

Yeah, that's not it. I am just trying to get something going that actually matters.

I have not actually seen a very good reason not to vote Jake other than he is null, so...

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I am just trying to get something going that actually matters.

Why? We have plenty of time and alot of players haven't been around as of late. Stop trying to force things.

You weren't a good player before and you won't be one now.

What is with the insults, nero?

I get it, you're trying to flaunt something. That's great, but I don't think you are SRing me so maybe stop with the whole, "I'm not trying, but sheep me anyways" thing.

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I get it, you're trying to flaunt something. That's great, but I don't think you are SRing me so maybe stop with the whole, "I'm not trying, but sheep me anyways" thing.

I legit think you don't understand mafia at all.

Good for you.

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Did Creature seriously clear himself for having a casual conversation about writing novels?

maybe?

His meta isn't as black and white as it used to be but generally posting creature=town creature. And him being inactive early on made me think he was scum. The q is does he/his scum buddy see a mini wagon on him and yells @ him to come post?

I already

shaded

that. No one picked up on it except you.

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:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

Saving you the time.

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:3 anyone else you think I should be strongly townreading?

Well I'm not really sure why you were putting pressure on me when I am obvtown, but beyond that I don't really have any problems with your reads.

I am just asking here but is this spicy or not that they never answered this?

Okay, nvm, maybe it is just normal.

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VOTE: ETL

Was going to do this before going to bed but now is an okay time.

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VOTE: ETL

Was going to do this before going to bed but now is an okay time.

I feel betrayed.

My theory is that you tried to deep pocket me. I mean, nothing else is really working for me rn. Doesn't really matter where I go, people end up saying the OPPOSITE of what I am saying. Then there is Nero.