Mini Normal 2139: No Flavor Allowed - Game Over

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Umlaut
scum

[Zulfy]

You're copying your town game so scum-reading you is scum?

[Zulfy]

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[Zulfy]

Post 36 has you frustrated that copying your town game still has someone see you as scummy. What that Town Game is doesn't matter to me. Post 36 does, though.

[Zulfy]

He's not scumreading me for copying my town game. He's scum reading me for being comical in my opening. My reaction in 36 isn't frustration, it's elaboration.

. Maybe rephrasing in italics will help Zulfy's eyes function properly.

I don't care about his reasons for scumreading you or not scumreading you.
Post 36 is you saying "bah I am posting like I would be posting if I was town!" which is something that scum says. And yes it is frustration.

[Zulfy]

The reason for copying your town game: to get read a certain way. However playing your town game isn't the same as copying it. If you're trying to get read a certain way by a specific player copying your town game is no guarantee of that happening.

[Zulfy]

btw it's totes frustration

[Zulfy]

Clidd, anyone who disagrees with anyone is called an idiot. Genuinely or not. It's not alignment indicative.

[Zulfy]

LuckyLu if you're taking a break I'd say you're P irritated.

Clidd I misread your post hold on. It would appear that you Learned English.

[Zulfy]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

[Zulfy]

Oh wait Clidd no, I misread your post just now. Post 51 is an answer to 48. Obviously.

Look, you're asking a guy why he thinks you scumread him, when you're voting him. What other sort of reaction could you expect?

It was just a single vote, I expected him to react like

"man, you're wrong because ..."

and then we would talk until I was convinced that he is town. But the way he approached that on posts 32~36 seemed like an overreaction, almost as if I had put him on L-1.

So you either talk it through until you think he's town, or he responds irreverently (as he did) and it also makes you think he's town. Is there any case where you might consider him scum?

[Zulfy]

I'm here HELL. Time just melts away in this quarantine, folks.

[Zulfy]

I'm not on a break. Hello.

[Zulfy]

Only skimmed the last two pages. I am: so irresponsible.

Clidd: lmao

[Zulfy]

Tryna get a feel for the game-state but maybe I just have to read the whole thing. Any chance someone can tell me the big stuff?

You can't put someone on ignore in a mafia game even if they're on your foe list.

[Zulfy]

At the moment my biggest scumreads are brassherald and LuckyLu.

[Zulfy]

Okay did the neighborhood get outted before or after Quick (replacing in with ur alt haha what a lame-o) claimed Informed Town?

[Zulfy]

Nevermind found it
I'm reading.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Quick

[Zulfy]

You're the Key.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Brassherald

Surely much more palatable

[Zulfy]

Oh, this looks spicy. Could you flesh this out a bit, I'm a little lost why you are voting here.

Made his luckylu vote without making any sort of stance which was eyebrow raising.
Exited the luckylu wagon (RIP) while throwing shade on an easy target (Ragman)
And then just his whole body of work really, I'm not liking it. Also let's just throw in that he didn't want the neighborhood revealed, even if he was all non-committal to that stance.
If you're telling the truth and someone in my hood's scum I'm gonna go with him.

[Zulfy]

Gotta do some thinking

[Zulfy]

Zulfy did finally post I guess but it's not a whole lot to go off of.

@Zulfy could you explain your SR on Lucky?

Read this and thought: I have a scum read on LuckyLu? I'm so absorbed in this whole Informed Townie/One scum in hood biz I had forgotten.
Yeah I found the initial posting v iffy, still do. Then voting a complete non-starter (clidd) and transferring that vote to the sitting duck wagon (ragman) just made it worse.
Don't you care about my SR on brassherald tho?

[Zulfy]

Post 763: You should consider that Persivul is severely childish.

[Zulfy]

I've been thinking about the Klick/Quick slot for a while and at this point I'm leaning more town than scum. I find myself having to make less concessions when analyzing their play from a town perspective rather than a scum one. Like I'm not sure why Klick would want to make post 150 as scum anyhow. It wouldn't really help for town-cred since if anything it'll draw even more suspicion (questions like "why ask Atarashi/Hoctac in particular?"). Calling out them in particular seems very deliberate, and it'd be a pretty notable lapse of judgment for him to go the extent of almost pretending to be an Informed Townie himself and forget he wasn't supposed to know about the neighborhood. Otoh I think it's plausible that town!Klick would either want to give a heads up to the neighborhood or leave a crumb that he is informed (though leaving out Zulfy does hamper this theory slightly).

Actually on reflection I agree with pretty much all of this. I'd still like to see Quick answer about the details of his informedness though.

Both of you have a real weird conclusion for supposedly thinking about the Thing so much.

[Zulfy]

Wow that LuckyLu catch-up, reading all of that felt intimate in a way. LuckyLu we might have to reconcile. Can you forgive me for getting you all seething with rage at the beginning of the game?

No but really dude I'm town and you might (maybe?) be too. And Quick is prolly scum. So be grudgeless for the rest of the game, thx. I look forward to finding out who's reaction you were fishing for.

[Zulfy]

Lucky stop spamming jeez
gather your thoughts in one or two posts, you literally just posted by yourself for two pages

And it was neat

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Quick

pedit: sure thing

[Zulfy]

Also, @Umlaut: My post right before that one had reads and a post, so why say anything at all if you're not going to reference it? Do you see how you could come off as scummily subjective?

I don't know, your response to the post bothered me whereas your previous post I just barely cared about at all when I read it. If you think that's scummy of me

then don't try to convince me of that

, vote me or something.

So, pretty much the

same

thing as Quick: "Shut up and don't talk to me."

Idk why but I've found Looker's posts so wildly uninteresting that I've skipped them all. Reminder to go back and read them later.

[Zulfy]

Unsure: zulfy and ulmac (the back and forth read on quick make me feel highly questionable about him)

You mean umlaut here right? Why'd it make you feel questionable

[Zulfy]

I just finished reading the game actually! Feel pretty good about that.

Hey remember when you were like "correct." at someone saying who's all in the hood,

after

Hoctac had

already

said who's all in the hood? Lmao.

[Zulfy]

Hoctac, don't see any reason to. I can go read it tho. Gave it a once-over when I was contemplating brassherald.

[Zulfy]

I just finished reading the game actually! Feel pretty good about that.

Hey remember when you were like "correct." at someone saying who's all in the hood,

after

Hoctac had

already

said who's all in the hood? Lmao.

Good job for paying attention.

Person in hood: these people are in the hood.
Person in the hood 2: these people are in the hood.
You: --in the hood! See?! Told ya I'm informed townie! :crying_emoji:

[Zulfy]

Gonna set an ALARM for this.
pedit Umlaut just do it! I think he was just joking about the fruit vendor tho

[Zulfy]

Good point, yeah. But that's how it happened tho, I'm just giving a summary of events there. Can I like submit this

[Zulfy]

well, I mean, obviously he and everyone knows now, but that he didn't know in advance of Hoctac's post?

To make it clear: him quoting valoneast was it? Oh no it was hoctac, so there weren't 2 people just hoctac playing both roles there. In any case I rolled my eyes hard at that post cuz it had the implication of him flexing his claim with entirely public information at that point.

[Zulfy]

Cakez is obvscum for calling Quick obvscum, which makes Ame obvscum.

[Zulfy]

That's of course, not serious.

Quick you suggested your Hoctac read had nothing to do with this game, also you didn't quote your LuckyLu suspicion there I guess it doesn't fit your last-ditch narrative.

[Zulfy]

Hoctac vote, not read.

[Zulfy]

Wagons are good. UNVOTE: Atari. VOTE: persivul.

This can die as well...

[Zulfy]

Hoctac is my #1 hoodie.

[Zulfy]

Let me quote from my notepad with my notes on this game's players:

Hoctac: I rolled my eyes at his case-making but if I had to sheep someone it'd prolly be this guy.

[Zulfy]

yea

[Zulfy]

Oh no Ame actually is obvscum.

[Zulfy]

Lynching in the hood is 1/4 - assuming 1 scum. Lynching outside of the hood is 2/8 (from a town PoV).

We can only lynch one person today not two tho.

[Zulfy]

An individual player would have 2/8 probability of picking scum outside the hood, but as a whole we have a 2/9 chance, I think.

[Zulfy]

For someone who brags about how smart you are, you sure are slow.

I don't think I've ever bragged about that.

[Zulfy]

I did read tho, I even said when I was done reading, don't u read?

[Zulfy]

"Changed my mind" suggests I had a different read on Quick before. Why do you think I did mr. Looker?

[Zulfy]

Alright guy i've finished your ISO. Buckshot question-asking. Not interesting or constructive but don't let me stop you.

[Zulfy]

That's fine Umlaut. I just want to catch up before we end the day. I haven't had a chance to read at all. And this is a busy week because classes are ending. I'll go into my cakez read when I catch up. Currently, I'm skimming when during my breaks.

What did you still need to catch up on that you haven't already?

[Zulfy]

You've been scrambling for an alternative this whole time, bah!
Clidd's not gonna hammer either, farside idk. Counting on Reundo.

[Zulfy]

Loving this game

[Zulfy]

Also, his response to my excellent case that he's scum is "yeah, I'm just so self-centered I didn't notice anyone else posted but me" which is both BS and the first time he doesn't seem to want to continue poking at this back-and-forth with me.

I totally believe him tho

[Zulfy]

Yay.
Ame can be scum sure. We should lynch in hood day 2 tho. I hope me and the other hoodsters stick around for some night sorting.

[Zulfy]

I can totally see town persivul making those posts as a final middle finger to town however

[Zulfy]

Oh shush!!!! Shush!! Hell if we had 300 days left for day-end you'd totally ask us to hold off until international women's day

[Zulfy]

If the day was to continue there would be more posts for you to read during your catch up. You haven't made progress from yesterday?

[Zulfy]

See you friday then.

[Zulfy]

I don't doubt brass as scum.
I just wonder why cakez is acting like the neighborhood wasn't a known thing day 1.

Telling the truth: about his role.

[Zulfy]

Sorry for the triple post but i forgot to ask did you all talk in the neighborhood during the night?

Brass refused to. Would have preferred the hood to have been more active but we talked a little at least.

[Zulfy]

Zulfy said how if we mislynch brass today we're one away from LYLO (Errr, I think? I didn't confirm this)

I corrected myself in the next post. Two away from LYLO.
VOTE: brass btw we were all in agreement. Told him he was gonna get lynched and he said he didn't care.

[Zulfy]

He's at L-2 btw. My wagon prediction has fallen apart.

[Zulfy]

Um: Ame is scum lol.

Remember we gotta lynch inside the hood tho stick to the PLAN.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Ame

[Zulfy]

Looker what would you suppose the answers are to every question you asked.

[Zulfy]

I think Cakez just got confused tbh. I kinda did too and didn't immediately notice the problem with that post about Quick. But the explanation given was weird.

Clidd: why did you scumread me earlier

[Zulfy]

To answer ur question Hoctac: no

[Zulfy]

Could you tell me what you had not liked about my progression? Also yea I was absent day 1 I have that terribly bad habit, legitimately: apologies.

[Zulfy]

SirCakez, how did you forget the whole reason I (being in the hood) was pushing Quick 2 days ago? I even prompted you for what you thought of my case.

right? lol wtf

[Zulfy]

I don't believe ur claim cuz ur scum Ame.

[Zulfy]

Looker what do you suppose is the answer to that question

[Zulfy]

Hey Cakez are u gonna uhhh fucking do anything

[Zulfy]

Great

[Zulfy]

Can we lynch Ame now

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Clidd

[Zulfy]

Looker have you learned anything at all from anything you have asked at any moment

[Zulfy]

If not for the disappearance then why?

Also Looker: I think it's no.

[Zulfy]

Which means then, that you're simply not doing anything. I'd like for you to start doing something.

[Zulfy]

Looker please start by voting Clidd with me.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Ame

[Zulfy]

Valoneast and Hoctac are both down to vote Ame.

[Zulfy]

their day 1 behavior

what about their day 1 behavior did you not like, and what's your feeling on: Umlaut?

[Zulfy]

They coasted for all of it and avoided talking about brass
No opinion on Umlaut atm

Spoiler: is this what coasting is to you

Hi thanks for clicking on this spoiler, I don't mean for you to read all of this I just mean that the volume of work here is not something I would describe as coasting for all of the day. Excerpts of brass slot mentions in the next spoiler.

Aight, I'm here now. My thoughts on the game so far:

Clidd to me reads pretty obvious town. I didn't really jive with his early accusation of Lucky since it seemed pretty far-fetched, but it did spark a lot of conversation and he didn't let it drag on longer than he needed to, plus he seems thoroughly engaged with the game and has pretty solid reads so far. Umlaut similarly seems like he's actively game-solving with his questioning and commentary here and there, plus I thought his flip-flopping on Hoctac was pretty natural, although he's not as strong as a town-read. Klick I haven't agreed with a lot of his assessments, particularly his stance on Lucky and early SRing of Umlaut, but I do find it easy to see where he's coming from when he lays out his reasoning and reads a lot like an open book. I wasn't a huge fan of Pers early game but I think his catch-up looked towny albeit excessive, and I've agreed with most of farside's takes so far. valoneast is coming off more like newb!town than newb!scum to me so far, and I think his "spitballing" read pretty genuine, although it's not a strong TR atm. Hoctac's tone is pretty hard to read and I'm not quite sure when he's serious and when he's joking, I'm leaning towards him being lynchbaity town for the moment but I'm not putting much stock in that either.

I had early town pings from Zulfy through his interactions through Lucky/clidd thought looking back it wasn't as meaningful as I'd thought and I'd need more from him before I make up my mind. I thought this post from Cakez was kind of towny but otherwise I don't have a strong impression of him yet. Lucky's aggression to me did feel pretty towny at first and looked more like it came from town who was pissed at being misrepresented, but the first sentence of this post does ping me the wrong way. Most of the towny things I saw from Atarashi was their prodding of Hoctac, although I'm not putting a lot of stock in that rn because he's easy to criticize. Their content is OK but seems pretty fakeable by scum. I'm finding Ragman's content pretty underwhelming, and I'm not a huge fan of him prodding other's for their reads whilst not really giving out any himself. I thought this post felt almost like a repeat of valoneast's post (in terms of "I can't read y'all b/c you keep referring to other games", which I don't think is true anyways), and I'm not getting great vibes off of that either. I'm fine voting him for the moment.

VOTE: Ragman Saul Rima

Some thoughts before bed: Lucky's pretty strong town for me since he posted his wall, and that's been solidified through the rest of his posting. His posts and analysis are pretty in-depth and it's not difficult to follow his train of thought, plus I liked how he didn't really hold back in his questioning of clidd, his engagement feels pretty genuine overall. My read of valoneast has also strengthened once some of that newbie-awkwardness started to fade away, I do get the impression he's genuinely scum-hunting and trying his best to contribute / adapt to the game. I was worried Pers's burst of activity / actual scum-hunting would only be a one-time thing, and his pointless pop-in really doesn't help with that. I'm pretty underwhelmed with brassherald's replace-in, there's a lot of fluff in there and what game-relevant content in there isn't very fleshed out, and it also doesn't help that their predecessor wasn't great either. I'm not thrilled with Zulfy's disappearance but I don't think it's AI. I'm pretty confused by the wagon on Klick as his play so far seems pretty town-motivated, and I don't feel great about most of the players on it except SirCakez to some extent. I was hoping Ragman would give some more content upon his pop-in, but I'm pretty underwhelmed.

@Ragman, what are you scum-reading Klick for other than what you mentioned when you first posted?

@Klick I can mostly jive with your reads list but why did clidd drop down in your reads? His posting has been pretty consistent to me so far.

This game's been moving a lot faster than I anticipated, and the constant replacements aren't really helping with that. I'll be around for a while now at least.

I've been thinking about the Klick/Quick slot for a while and at this point I'm leaning more town than scum. I find myself having to make less concessions when analyzing their play from a town perspective rather than a scum one. Like I'm not sure why Klick would want to make post 150 as scum anyhow. It wouldn't really help for town-cred since if anything it'll draw even more suspicion (questions like "why ask Atarashi/Hoctac in particular?"). Calling out them in particular seems very deliberate, and it'd be a pretty notable lapse of judgment for him to go the extent of almost pretending to be an Informed Townie himself and forget he wasn't supposed to know about the neighborhood. Otoh I think it's plausible that town!Klick would either want to give a heads up to the neighborhood or leave a crumb that he is informed (though leaving out Zulfy does hamper this theory slightly). Quick's first vote on Hoctac would make sense if he did indeed know there were scum in the neighborhood, as does his later vote on Zulfy (though I don't entirely follow the progression there), and his earlier paranoia about whether or not Klick claimed also coincides with his later reaction when Hoctac essentially forced him to claim. They could just be happy coincidences and things just happened to line up in his favor, but I'm not seeing it. I do have some issues with Quick's ISO, primarily his weird interaction with SirCakez and him ignoring basic questions about his role this past page (and as far as Klick goes, I did read a part of his scum ISO and realized he had a wider scum-range than I realized), but overall I'm not that concerned about him at the moment.

In terms of Hoctac's case itself, I don't think he really went about it the right way (someone mentioned that he shouldn't have given scum!Quick an out by claiming Informed, which I agree with), but that would make sense considering he's a newbie. I do feel his overeagerness at having caught scum (from his POV) does ring pretty townie, and while I don't necessarily agree with his scum-tells I can definitely see where he's coming from, though I have had to re-read some of the early game thanks to him linking one of Klick's early posts and the shift in tone from his first posts to now is a bit jarring. It almost seems like he's more playful that he was at the start of the game, and I'm not entirely sure how to make of it.

I think Persival's outburst was over the top but more likely to come from town than scum, though I'm not thrilled with Ame's lack of content atm. At first I thought he wouldn't really claim a PR if he were scum until I remembered he thought he was walking out the door anyhow, but I still feel that "fuck it" frustration is a bit more likely to come from town overall.

@Ragman, what are you scum-reading Klick for other than what you mentioned when you first posted?

Too many townreads, I don't see where the confidence is coming from to give farside, sircakez a strong townread so fast. clidd went from good townread (#211) to mild scum (#355), though I believe he made no scummy posts in between. I went from neutral (#175) to scum (#211) though I didn't post in between. I'm thinking it's scum sheeping farside.

I did not like this reply to my post from Ragman from earlier before he rep'ed out. "Too many townreads" feels pretty echoey from what's already been said ITT, and he's had an SR on Klick since earlier in the game yet only comments on his most recent readlists, which hadn't been posted when I first probed him about his Klick read, so that clearly couldn't have been all there was to it if it were genuine. He didn't really have any unique takes of his own and pretty much followed along with the crowd, and while I could potentially see it coming from newb!town I feel like newb!scum has a lot more incentive to blend in with the crowd and not try to make any big waves. Looker's posts haven't improved my read on his slot, and some of his comments don't even make that much sense (IE asking SirCakez "Are Reundo, Farside22, and SirCakez all guaranteed town?" does not make sense with regards to either the Cakez post he quoted, Cakez reads, or his own reads judging by the comment he made about me at the end of that post).

@Looker what prompted the sudden switch from saying you'd vote either Hoctac or Lucky to voting Quick?

Basically at this point my strongest town-reads are clidd, Umlaut, and valoneast, probably SirCakez as well. Lucky's absence is a bit worrying but I understand the need to break away from the game sometimes, I still think he's town too. Hoctac and farside are giving me town pings but not enough for me to TR them strongly, Quick I'm still not exactly sure how to read tbh (and looking through Looker's ISO pulled up this post from Quick which comes off kind of awkward), but they're slightly above null. Ame's also leaning town a bit but that convo with them rubbed me the wrong way. I thought this meta read on clidd was kind of towny but otherwise I don't feel great about brass's slot, and I'm finding Zulfy and Looker pretty scummy, I'll stay on Looker for now.

I wouldn't say Quick has ignored questions about his role. He's been absent since the questions appeared. Also, I still don't see how town!Quick immediately gravitates towards a Hoctac vote over any other member of the hood, especially given that he hadn't read any content yet. I think you have to make far more concessions to say that Quick RNG'd his eventual scumread, and found him scummy every step of the way as town than as mafia.

Those questions were asked before he made that Looker vote, so yeah I would say they were ignored, or at least missed. I could easily see it as just an RVS vote from town!Quick initially (albeit informed since he'd know there were scum in the neighborhood so he'd be more inclined to vote in there), and as Hoctac was especially controversial early on I don't find it implausible that he'd "RNG" into his scum-read. And I'm not sure why scum!Quick would be inclined to be so stubborn about their initial vote that they felt they had to contextualize Hoctac's posts as coming from scum, he could've easily decided to just change his mind or move his vote if scum!him felt it wasn't the best course of action, so I don't find that very convincing.

Spoiler: avoiding talking about brass then

Most of the towny things I saw from Atarashi was their prodding of Hoctac, although I'm not putting a lot of stock in that rn because he's easy to criticize. Their content is OK but seems pretty fakeable by scum.

I'm pretty underwhelmed with brassherald's replace-in, there's a lot of fluff in there and what game-relevant content in there isn't very fleshed out, and it also doesn't help that their predecessor wasn't great either.

I thought this meta read on clidd was kind of towny but otherwise I don't feel great about brass's slot

That's cute, but still doesn't explain what you were scum-reading Quick for at the time, though now I'm also wondering what prompted you to move off of him and onto brass?

I hope with this new information you are able to consider better options to vote on than the Reundo slot. Please try to pay attention to the game that you are playing in.

[Zulfy]

Sorry I shouldn't sound all scold-y.

[Zulfy]

While we wait on the Ame lynch train I'd like to know why farside was night killed.

[Zulfy]

We're talking about day 1 here not whole game frequency.

[Zulfy]

I think the posts themselves were decent but it didn't really look like active scumhunting

Then why do you not have an opinion on Umlaut when Umlaut's posts were substantively identical to Reundo's?

[Zulfy]

...The hood claimed. Even I, who hasn't read the game, was aware of who was in it.

Then why exhaust your one shot on the first night of the game.

[Zulfy]

Why would you lynch outside of the hood if there's scum there regardless of quick's alignment.
I scum read hoctac and Cakez.
VOTE: hoctac
Hoctac lied about not knowing I was the persi slot. He's also trying to butter me up to get me to hammer. It would be silly not to lynch here.

Lynching in the hood is 1/4 - assuming 1 scum. Lynching outside of the hood is 2/8 (from a town PoV).

As Zulfy stated, it's 2/9. Regardless, reducing the argument to raw probability is duplicitous as it removes human cognition from the equation. An example to make the point salient: you have a greater chance of selecting which one out two people is lying than you do selecting which 50 out of 100 people are lying. The random and raw probabilities are the same, but focusing your efforts on two people is far simpler than sorting 100. Additionally, lynching correctly inside the hood provides three innocent children, whereas lynching correctly outside of it does not.

If you were one-shot cop you wouldn't have targeted brassherald, you would have targeted Hoctac.

She was a universal town read correct?

Universal suggests everyone, but:

Farside's reads look like the reads that scum fabricate.
Farside > Cakez > Hoc

Umlaut, I don't think Farside being convinced you are town from your response is sincere. It looks like the type of fake sorting that scum does.

[Zulfy]

1) You know who is in the hood. Brassherald Hoctac Valoneast and Zulfy
2) You think that the best thing to do is lynch in the hood, since there is scum there.
3) From the 4 in the hood, the one you scumread is Hoctac.
4) You think lynching correctly in the hood will clear the other 3 players in it.
5) You are one-shot cop and you're going to use your shot night 1.

When those 5 things are true, then this must be true: You're going to use your investigation on Hoctac.

That's the only way it can be when you're town, and since that's not how it is, you're not town.
"Ok." she says. Thanks for scumclaiming.

[Zulfy]

Please see: 3) From the 4 in the hood, the one you scumread is Hoctac.
You went into night 1 scumreading Hoctac.

[Zulfy]

You were my first choice to investigate during the night, but after reading some, I changed my mind.

Oh lol.
VOTE: SirCakez

[Zulfy]

Damn you know what: Lynching quick was really stupid.

[Zulfy]

Hmmm wait maybe not that stupid at all.

[Zulfy]

Oh btw I mean lynching Quick, the player, not lynching quick right now, if that even was a hammer I haven't checked.

[Zulfy]

We're at L-2 here. Looker me and Clidd.

[Zulfy]

UNVOTE:

You weren't voting for anyone

[Zulfy]

My read of Klick is on post 659, if you want to read.

It must take a while to type with one hand.

[Zulfy]

My one frustration is that Ame is open wolfing and getting away with it

If you flip green then she gets lynched tomorrow. Meaning Day 5 starts off with 5 town and 1 scum.

[Zulfy]

4 town*

Oh whatever Ame, WHATEVER.

[Zulfy]

Maybe someday Ame.
VOTE: Looker

[Zulfy]

Hourglass is LuckyLuciano I think.

UNVOTE:

What Hoctac said about u: Something I almost replied "yeah that makes sense" to. I'll let him tell you.

[Zulfy]

I never said I was down to lynch Ame in the hood, where did you get that from, Zulfy?

I just figure that people want to lynch the ones they scumread.

Pls someone unvote Ame.

[Zulfy]

And by someone I mean Umlaut.

[Zulfy]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Zulfy]

There is no Zulfy/Ame voting block btw. Huh???

[Zulfy]

Oh no not 1488!

[Zulfy]

Can we compromise on Looker

[Zulfy]

It shows that Umlaut was complacent with my wagon despite not actually trying to actively sort me. And he just couldn't come up with a reason to keep it there after my prodding.

You gotta take momentum into account hab.

Hate to break it to you, but the towncase was 100% a meme. I'm glad I was convincing though.

So you did know it was the Persivul slot?

[Zulfy]

I got table fever.
Hey let's assume there is 1 scum left in hood and 1 scum left in not-the-hood. We don't know how scum is gonna night kill, but we can know how town is gonna lynch. Let's say town decides to lynch outside of the hood until they hit scum, and they keep mislynching until LYLO.

And first let's say that scum decide to night kill outside the hood every night. Then you get:

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/3	1/4
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/3	1/2

This means that on LYLO we'd have a better shot lynching the not-hood member again in order to not lose. Doesn't seem that beneficial for scum.

Alright then instead let's say scum decides to night kill in the hood every night, obviously not their partner. Then you get:

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/2	1/5
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/1	1/4

Seems more beneficial, since town wouldn't

know

if the last hood member is scum or not, it's possible they don't get lynched if they're townread, but then the lynch is between 4 people outside of the hood, which might be difficult but doesn't seem so bad.

The last option is that scum kills in the hood night 3 and not in the hood night 4, or not in the hood night 3 and in the hood night 4, since town will be lynching outside of hood either way the end result is the same.

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/2	1/5
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/2	1/3

or

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/3	1/4
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/2	1/3

This seems like the best bet for scum, town isn't guaranteed that scum even exists in the hood but not lynching in the hood has a two-thirds chance of losing the game.

[Zulfy]

Are you trolling?

Everyone else has understood that I'm completely serious.

[Zulfy]

clidd why do you scumread me the most out of all the neighbors

[Zulfy]

btw thanks umlaut. Anyone else down to compromise on Looker?

[Zulfy]

Man, that's crazy. I wonder why the guy from Wisconsin won't talk to me.

I'm not

from

Wisconsin, it's just where I happen to be. I guess I'm a bit Wisconsin-y maybe. Idk what you're implying tho. Are you from Chicago or somethin

[Zulfy]

clidd why do you scumread me the most out of all the neighbors

Auro and Hoctac seem more towny than you right now. Your push on Looker isn't good too.

First sentence: a tautology.
Second sentence: I'm not pushing Looker I just am willing to cut that branch off in lieu of a SirCakez lynch. But that is just semantics. What about it do you dislike?

[Zulfy]

Well I don't want Ame lynched, cuz she's town.
I want SirCakez lynched cuz she's scum.
But if not enough people are willing to lynch Cakez I'd be up for Looker then. That being said the Ame wagon seems to have run out of steam and the Cakez wagon still has a shot, but even then I kinda just want Looker gone in all honesty cuz uh, he seems like he'll lose us the game.

[Zulfy]

Yeah u do

[Zulfy]

yes

[Zulfy]

Well damne.

[Zulfy]

I think this will be your nickname in my mind. It is the expression that defines you in one word.

AHAHAHA you're getting upset cuz of Cumberbatch shade? Ste men.

[Zulfy]

I am a dreamer.

Can't find anything on the wiki for this?????

Hey me and my neighbors are not going to be voting unless it is unanimous. Just so everyone knows.

[Zulfy]

bro are u like mad

[Zulfy]

what's auto

[Zulfy]

I think Clidd is scum.

[Zulfy]

Think he's a mafia goon

[Zulfy]

I don't believe his claim at all

[Zulfy]

And above that I don't believe his play

[Zulfy]

Still confused about dreamer role since it's not on the wiki.
Still don't know what auto is.
Had been thinking informed town fv and 1shot cop and neighborhood was extent of town prs

[Zulfy]

since he says he thinks I'm scum I don't recommend he do that

[Zulfy]

if not him then you (and I don't think it's you) and one of my neighbors. Hard to pick between the two of them.

[Zulfy]

Traitor seems too schticksy for Ircher.
Both of my neighbors would be cruel.

[Zulfy]

You weren't really in the radar and I'm very radar-centric.
I just haven't had a reason to think you might be scum.

[Zulfy]

Right but not a traffic analyst. That combo is what I think is too shticksy for him

[Zulfy]

foo

[Zulfy]

Do you think this is a fishing attempt to out PRs with private communication?

No I think it's an attempt to make the lynch be in the hood.

[Zulfy]

Also you have already functionally claimed VT Looker.

[Zulfy]

But the claims are coming from scum

[Zulfy]

It's Hoctac and Clidd.

[Zulfy]

We can't lynch in the hood.

[Zulfy]

Might not be hoctac. But it's clidd.

[Zulfy]

If Hoctac could please unvote so that hoodscum doesn't get their way thx.

[Zulfy]

See my hood iso

[Zulfy]

Ame's dead

[Zulfy]

Was thinking and kept thinking, and decided she was scum and she goes ahead and flips green.

[Zulfy]

anyway tho look at post 1666

[Zulfy]

Was thinking and kept thinking, and decided she was scum and she goes ahead and flips green.

no but also she should be alive now: it'd be better.

[Zulfy]

Umlaut do you see yourself voting Clidd today

[Zulfy]

Well dang: we lost.

[Zulfy]

Looker already claimed VT. Auro: claimed VT. Scum is Clidd and ???. We're gonna lynch in hood today and mislynch tomorrow despite Clidd being alive.

[Zulfy]

Is it Clidd and Umlaut? That's how it goes is it.

[Zulfy]

It's clidd and somebody.

[Zulfy]

1990
You don't make that post as a PR unless you: didn't read anything (could be tbf could be) or you're not a PR cuz you're a VT, which you (he: Looker) are.

Pedit: I gotta write the post gosh

[Zulfy]

clidd and BS? Forgot about BS.
BS: What should we do. Hoctac unvote pls when you get back

[Zulfy]

I got table fever.
Hey let's assume there is 1 scum left in hood and 1 scum left in not-the-hood. We don't know how scum is gonna night kill, but we can know how town is gonna lynch. Let's say town decides to lynch outside of the hood until they hit scum, and they keep mislynching until LYLO.

And first let's say that scum decide to night kill outside the hood every night. Then you get:

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/3	1/4
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/3	1/2

This means that on LYLO we'd have a better shot lynching the not-hood member again in order to not lose. Doesn't seem that beneficial for scum.

Alright then instead let's say scum decides to night kill in the hood every night, obviously not their partner. Then you get:

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/2	1/5
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/1	1/4

Seems more beneficial, since town wouldn't

know

if the last hood member is scum or not, it's possible they don't get lynched if they're townread, but then the lynch is between 4 people outside of the hood, which might be difficult but doesn't seem so bad.

The last option is that scum kills in the hood night 3 and not in the hood night 4, or not in the hood night 3 and in the hood night 4, since town will be lynching outside of hood either way the end result is the same.

Spoiler:

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/2	1/5
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/2	1/3

or

Day	Players	Town	Scum	Hood scum	Scum not in hood
3	9	7	2	1/3	1/6
4	7	5	2	1/3	1/4
5 (LYLO)	5	3	2	1/2	1/3

This seems like the best bet for scum, town isn't guaranteed that scum even exists in the hood but not lynching in the hood has a two-thirds chance of losing the game.

[Zulfy]

Thing is, if clidd is scum, that's a sizable hole in town PR power.

Follower + 1-shot Cop is just not enough I don't think.

Informed FV tho. also you believe the follower claim?

Zulfy, do you townread Umlaut or like him by virtue of scumreading clidd?

Townread him.

[Zulfy]

I can easily see Zulfy's push as either for show (we are not lynching clidd today, realistically) or pushing for double mislynches on me and clidd, today and tomorrow.

why would I push for a lynch on you tomorrow?

[Zulfy]

I think these are the two candidate solves. I don't see any justification from Zulfy on why Clidd is scum. It does feel like he wanted to push Clidd today, but the claim interfered with the plan.

The claim created the "plan". Up to that point I was pretty much in free-fall mentally.

[Zulfy]

I did say it could be clidd and bs

[Zulfy]

Because "clidd was telling the truth, Umlaut must be scum after all"

Alternately, you don't push for it but just sort of let it happen today, then push to lynch clidd tomorrow because "I told you he was lying"

If clidd is alive tomorrow then: yeah lol
If we did lynch clidd then it'd be between you and BS, yea. Assuming I'm alive, since once neighbor is def getting NK'd. today.

[Zulfy]

This is of course in the context of this convo, where clidd flips green. I am really feelin good about that not being the case tho

[Zulfy]

So it seems for both Auro and me the hoodscum could be either of the Other Two.
Hoctac? Do you have a neighbor you scumread more?

Pushing clidd over bs: Yeah and?

[Zulfy]

He's V/LA yo.

[Zulfy]

I'd be down with a BS lynch.

[Zulfy]

Yeah it's cuz I think he's scum.

[Zulfy]

I addressed Hoctac because he had been posting on the site within ~20min of my asking. Unfortunately he hasn't posted since.

Btw: that's the LA nature of V/LA.

[Zulfy]

My dream is to exterminate Zulfy in this game, but there is a small chance that he's trolling.

Is it cuz I think you're scum, cuz you think I'm scum, or cuz I think your cumberboner is kinda silly?

[Zulfy]

Everything you just said: wack.

[Zulfy]

Anyone who thinks I'm scum is either:
*Looker
*Needing to put more thought into it
*scum

Those are your 3 choices.

[Zulfy]

ahaha give me a BREAK

[Zulfy]

2096 is some of my best work

[Zulfy]

I thought it was to implicate Umlaut, who is not in the hood.

and yet he's pushing for anyone but Umlaut.

[Zulfy]

Can you share the process of that P o E pal.

[Zulfy]

Lynching in the hood today is balls

[Zulfy]

Though I'm honestly feeling better about the Zulfy option the more he posts things like 2096.

No but really: did you read his posts above me dude

[Zulfy]

Can you share the process of that P o E pal.

I'm town.

Yea

clidd is town and telling the truth about his results (I'm very confident).

why are you very confident tho :'( but okay let's just keep going

That means, if there's scum outside the neighborhood, it's got to be Blatant Scum.

sure

Therefore there is at least one scum in the neighborhood.

sure. When I said the hood would be voting as a block were you asking why because it didn't make sense or out of curiosity?

• Auro is town (I think).
  
• Therefore the scum in the neighborhood are among {Zulfy, Hoctac}.
  
• Per 2109, a team of B.S. and Hoctac is implausible.
  
• Therefore the only plausible teams are B.S.+Zulfy and Hoctac+Zulfy.
  
• Therefore you're scum.

Well: thank you for fulfilling my request.
Why Auro over me? Is it the effortposting?

[Zulfy]

We should lynch BS tho

[Zulfy]

I'm gonna reboot and try to look at this with fresh eyes.

[Zulfy]

Blatant Scum's prolly gone foreva

[Zulfy]

clidd man

[Zulfy]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Zulfy]

is there doubt about my slot?

yea on my behalf.

[Zulfy]

hoctac claiming some sort of vig, serious or no?

: no

[Zulfy]

BS slot is at l1

[Zulfy]

The neighbors need to justify voting BS here.

either you believe my claim and it follows that BS is off the table for today, or you don't believe my claim and you should be lynching me. There really shouldn't be any middle ground.

I think three scum in the neighborhood is kinda unlikely, but I'm not willing to bet a lynch on that. umlaut is off limits today so that I can try to get another result. if and when I die you all can consider lynching him tomorrow.

oh this is perfect

[Zulfy]

Firebringer's not a traitor, he's a mafia goon.
Micc isn't a traffic analyst: he's mafia goon

[Zulfy]

An absolute crime to continue insisting lynching in hood today

[Zulfy]

If the lynch is a neighbor then scum no longer has to kill a neighbor for tomorrow's LYLO.
But with a neighbor lynch they're forced to NK either Hoctac or Auro. If both are alive then I'll entertain Umlaut's 3-scum-in-hood theory.
Lynching me: fucks all of that up completely. And from the very beginning of the day the clidd slot has been gunning for a hood lynch.

[Zulfy]

But what about the Umlaut etc: the Umlaut push was an absolute token push

[Zulfy]

The entire neighborhood is on Firebringer. It's a town-oriented wagon unless two of us are scum.

[Zulfy]

Umlaut: are you more convinced by traitor or 3 scum hood?

[Zulfy]

Maybe I should just stick to posting in the hood for my own sanity

[Zulfy]

the Umlaut push was an absolute token push

Him calling you an idiot was just because he got angry

[Zulfy]

Though I suppose that happened when the push was tapering off. In any case: token push. Go read it.

[Zulfy]

What part of that: The whole thing looks like a: push to me.
The fact that it didn't proceed after that makes it: token. So it's a: token push.

[Zulfy]

Zulfy: suppose you magically come to know that one of Auro or Hoctac is scum. Which is it?

I really would have a hard time choosing, which is why I'd rather scum choose for me.

[Zulfy]

Looker: vote firebringer