Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Auro]

Blair Clap MT to round out my Auro GC Reck

team

townbloc

I'd add Hoopla to that townbloc, actually. Maybe Blair and MT can have spots too. Should CLAP? Hmm.

Anyone else wanna join the townbloc?

[Auro]

But I think most townies who believe "She appears to be voting for IAAU on policy" would also think "Let's check her original reason for voting."

To not do so suggests a real lack of interest in whether or not your argument has merit.

I disagree. Voting for someone on policy is not unbelievable at all. If there

was

something that didn't feel right about it, sure, someone would investigate.

These "lurker policy pushes" happen all the time from either alignment. I don't think most townies would double check. On the contrary, I'm sure that's pretty rare for town.

[xRECKONERx]

But I think most townies who believe "She appears to be voting for IAAU on policy" would also think "Let's check her original reason for voting."

To not do so suggests a real lack of interest in whether or not your argument has merit.

I disagree. Voting for someone on policy is not unbelievable at all. If there

was

something that didn't feel right about it, sure, someone would investigate.

These "lurker policy pushes" happen all the time from either alignment. I don't think most townies would double check. On the contrary, I'm sure that's pretty rare for town.

Yeah I'm with Auro on this honestly. But I'm also a lazy fucko and don't scroll up.

[Llamarble]

Is there a reason you're ignoring 553? Can you summarize the case on Green Crayons which does not involve associations with me?

For 553, we're getting into complex topics, but I'd say "not trying hard enough to find scum" is a reflection of what fraction of posts are aimed at puzzle solving vs argument, how emotionally invested in identifying scum and getting them lynched you seem to be, and some related things. It's a holistic tell and there's a spectrum for it, it depends on morale and game context (like me distracting you from your own scumhunting by pressuring you) too. So it's not an easy one to explain. But to me, I see you on the scum side of that spectrum.

As for Independent Crayonscum...
Well actually I see more things there that I like than that I don't like. Between that and Reck's thingy I guess my fantasies of the spectator topic going OMG Marble solved it on page 22 are in trouble.

Honestly you have a certain similarity of way of thinking to mine. And 275 is pure early-mid d1 scum me.

Just so we can run this down, do you intend to explain this?

I always appreciate a little "I am town, therefore I HAVE THE POWER"

Its not whether I see a tonal shift. Im trying to figure out if you’re genuine or buddying.

So far you’ve given me one post.

This does look like the good kind of curiosity.

I don't think it's too powerfully convincing but I don't like GC as an alternative to Auro the way I thought I did.

[Auro]

So your overall dislike of Crayons is also a result of an association read to me, and that's the deal with the entirety of your solve as well.

Makes your homework on looking at my general metagame pretty important, no?

[Untrod Tripod]

I also suspect UT. I don't like his "i dont know how to read this game" post or any of his other contributions.

I also suspect UT. I don't like his "i dont know how to read this game" post or any of his other contributions.

I lightly townread UT.

these posts are equally bullshit but I like ABR and Auro for town so shrug city population me.

I'm having a hard time finding anything to focus on in this game. Can someone offer me some direction in terms of post to read that are especially scummy (inb4 this post). I want to contribute but every time I start reading my eyes cross and I lose consciousness. I just don't even really know where to start

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the starbuck/blair dispute, and then separately your thoughts about VP Baltar votes (both the voters and the votee).


(This is the homework I've given myself, but I haven't done it yet.)

It's a mixed bag. The frustration from their posts responding to Starbuck calling the IMOAFOIUFDOIJDLKJFD vote a "policy" vote when it plainly wasn't mirrored my own. On the other hand Blair made an awkward joke about "misspelling ianoun" like three times in a row, which feels scummy to me since I think scum is more likely to try to force a bad joke to endear themselves to other players rather than just asking for wagon support. Also, I don't think that the idea of "this is internally inconsistent" is really that good of a scum tell and feels more to me like something trying to justify a vote via a technicality rather than scumreading. "I must vote this person because they are illogical" rather than "I must vote this person because they are scum" feels like a scum move to me. additionally, Blair jumping on Starbuck for misrepresenting Blair's vote on ianaun and then turning that into a full fledged serious vote and push feels a lot less like scumhunting and more like trying to attack a person because they were annoying.

typing that out, I guess that means I find Blair scummy for this exchange on balance. huh.

Regarding VP, I think his post history is really wallflower-y. A little commenting, a little asking directionless questions, and a whole lot of not really taking a stance on anything. I like this slot for scum.

other thoughts: Llamarble I have vague memories of playing with him and his strategy of trying to arrange all of the pieces on the board and move them around in totality to explain the gamestate to himself is really weird to read and there's a lot of nonsense in there but I like the transparency and commitment to putting all his thoughts on the table so I think town.

got strong town vibes off of AGar's last two posts about and in response to Auro. I feel like a scum player would have tried to string something together in that situation.

I find Morning Tweet and Hoopla to be entirely opaque for inarticulable reasons. Anyone have some advice on figuring those slots out?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding VP, I think his post history is really wallflower-y. A little commenting, a little asking directionless questions, and a whole lot of not really taking a stance on anything. I like this slot for scum.

interesting. bring your vote aboard.

[Untrod Tripod]

so I think

vote VP Baltar

for now because between him and Blair, I have a no mixed feelings about that scumread whereas I do about Blair

[Llamarble]

Well Reck doesn't have any particular association, it's more "I need another scum and it's probably one of the hard to read good players and if Reck is town why haven't we won yet"
Maybe that role is Hoopla's after all, I did get Very Effectively buddied by her in ancient days... She really is very very dangerous as scum.
If Hoopla and Reck are both scum I think it's up to PRs to save us.
I'll go do that reading now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

so I think

vote VP Baltar

for now because between him and Blair, I have a no mixed feelings about that scumread whereas I do about Blair

Good vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Hoopla and Reck are both scum I think it's up to PRs to save us.

You have no idea who you are in the presence of

[Untrod Tripod]

I think my biggest hurdle in reading Llamarble is that he makes statements like "Reck is better at tricking UT than vice versa" with complete and total confidence so it makes me wonder about the accuracy of all his assumptions that I'm less informed about

I call it "the Reddit conundrum"

[iamausername]

It's similar to the Starbuck v. Blair misunderstanding where AGar/Llama moved in to point out how Starbuck misinterpreted Blair's vote on username. It's being fair, and I could see why scum might not want to stop the chaos, but also

somebody

was going to have to explain it eventually, so why not them? It looks good and the wagon wasnt going anywhere anyway

it didn't feel like a foregone conclusion to me that someone was going to explain that - i know i, for one, was taking "Starbuck didn't read properly" as a perfectly reasonable explanation until AGar pointed out that the timing of Blair's conversation with Porkens made 338 look like a direct response to Starbuck.

but i guess regardless of his alignment, AGar is probably being truthful when he says he read it the same way as Starbuck, so maybe

he

would have felt it was a foregone conclusion? but then he'd also have to have correctly predicted he would be townread for stating something that was a foregone conclusion from his PoV?

not feeling it.

[AGar]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

[Llamarble]

I have a lot of respect for Reck as a scumhunter and as a scum, so my default guess is Reck catches UT, UT might miss Reck.
But if it becomes important, I'm not going to ride that assumption too far.

I looked at
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82824
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82453
viewtopic.php?f=150&t=81775
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=78999
I didn't find any particularly earth shattering revelations there.
Scum Auro did seem to primarily attack arguments and wrote posts I could see from scum-me, like here.
Town Auro did show a bit more cheerful "let's solve this game together"
But I didn't see enough that I feel similarity to play in other games is more important than the more fundamental this-game-only impressions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

iamuser and GC wagons are bad

VP baltar needs votes

[Llamarble]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

VP hasn't done anything particularly town and is the main alternative to Auro at the moment. Lots of players are looking reasonably town by now, so it's not an awful wagon.

[Llamarble]

Is there something that seems insincere about it?

There were like 6 posts on it. Seems very try-hard for a mediocre joke.

We were still in RVS, but I can't imagine being THAT committed to that bit.

"I can't imagine you would think / behave this way" is certainly a way scum go after people.

UNVOTE: MT
VOTE: iamausername

I just spent a game as scum fighting against Blair's instincts to save my team. No one in that game would really follow her and she screamed into the void for many pages. She ended up copping two of them.

Blatant sheep here. Come at me if you don't like it.

And super-respecting other players (form of buddying) makes sense from scum too.

huh? explain.

I gut-townread Green Crayons from his posts.

You're gonna have to do better than that.

But I like this and I think his incredulity about my behavior are fine. I think Auro is a better bet than VPB.

[Untrod Tripod]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

Regarding VP, I think his post history is really wallflower-y. A little commenting, a little asking directionless questions, and a whole lot of not really taking a stance on anything. I like this slot for scum.

[Llamarble]

these posts are equally bullshit but I like ABR and Auro for town so shrug city population me.

...otherstuff...

typing that out, I guess that means I find Blair scummy for this exchange on balance. huh.

I like both of these lines.
Going to step away for a while, need to revisit with a fresh mind later.

[AGar]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

VP hasn't done anything particularly town and is the main alternative to Auro at the moment. Lots of players are looking reasonably town by now, so it's not an awful wagon.

Is there something that seems insincere about it?

There were like 6 posts on it. Seems very try-hard for a mediocre joke.

We were still in RVS, but I can't imagine being THAT committed to that bit.

"I can't imagine you would think / behave this way" is certainly a way scum go after people.

UNVOTE: MT
VOTE: iamausername

I just spent a game as scum fighting against Blair's instincts to save my team. No one in that game would really follow her and she screamed into the void for many pages. She ended up copping two of them.

Blatant sheep here. Come at me if you don't like it.

And super-respecting other players (form of buddying) makes sense from scum too.

huh? explain.

I gut-townread Green Crayons from his posts.

You're gonna have to do better than that.

But I like this and I think his incredulity about my behavior are fine. I think Auro is a better bet than VPB.

Fair. I'll re-read it and simmer, probably get back tomorrow. Definitely was up until like 3 AM last night and I'm feeling the effects.

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

Regarding VP, I think his post history is really wallflower-y. A little commenting, a little asking directionless questions, and a whole lot of not really taking a stance on anything. I like this slot for scum.

Welp, definitely should have seen that and had it register.

[farside22]

Some of the votes on VP come from players I haven't seen say much in regards to this game and are sheeping along (like Iam and UT). I'm staying the hell away from it.
I will say within regards to UT if he continues the lurking I would vote for him. He only gets a free pass for day 1.

[Untrod Tripod]

how in the fuck am I sheeping

[AGar]

Some of the votes on VP come from players I haven't seen say much in regards to this game and are sheeping along (like Iam and UT). I'm staying the hell away from it.
I will say within regards to UT if he continues the lurking I would vote for him. He only gets a free pass for day 1.

Hasn't it been like 12 hours since you basically echoed UT's sentiments about the gamestate?

[farside22]

how in the fuck am I sheeping

Yeah I forgot about your large post. Sorry.
I really do need to work on my individual reads.