Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

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I'm starting to get frightened at how fast the Pooky wagon is getting in

RVS

Any reason besides Doctor Drew naked SRing Pooky... oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

Somehow I feel this makes Pooky feel towny.

Alchemist's claim don't make no no sense.

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oh wait 26 is a scumclaim.

With the quote, the context implies that you are scum-aligned.

Needless to say I TR you because no sane scum actually scumclaims in RVS

pedit: that's a triple negative, but being a bastard game pregame alignment changes are not out of the question, so alchemist is not 500% lying

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this is my first "baker-level bastard" game, I had assumed it meant no stupid roles or outright moderator lies but the rest is fair game

a 3p may or may not or may not not or may not not not exist

pedit: Pooky's got 4 votes if I am counting right, that's still less than half the 9 needed to lynch but we're still in RVS so the wagon is a shock

ppedit: I've played with firebringer before, I would take any scumclaim from firebringer as NAI as the NAIest waters.

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I'm probably taking Pooky too seriously, lol

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So I can form actual townreads and scumreads

DGB pings me scum a little for the insistence on staying on Pooky acting werid

VOTE: DGB

Pedit: yeah but considering the wincon it would make him more likely to be targeted by those wanting eliminate actual scum with the lynch

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This is a large theme so maybe

Maybe this game is all just a fever dream...

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logical's entry is pretty meaning well

elsa's is alright maybe maybe

my vote is currently staying on DGB

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I don't think you don't know nothing about triple negatives.

pedit: That post actually feels NAI despite the impression

ppedit: I really don't see how that is jestery

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pisskop doesn't seem that impressive to me though they are showing promise with the question

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A quick ISO dive into pisskop didn't turn much up to pk's alleged TR on A50 and Elsa, 77 is the most relevant post and appears to be a TR reason based on player meta

pedit: seeing iec's thoughtstream looks like iec has town thoughts... my read in iec is very dilute though (townreads are now a solute - don't argue with me on this)

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My feelings on Lavender can be summarized as this: coast

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I might post a lead rist once I have a decent idea of everyone, but I'd still put null or nullish on the majority of the slots right now (lavender strikes me as nullish, it's still early D1)

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you think I'm nullish-scum right?

You're one of the slots I currently TR btw

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I'd put Vecna above votato in my lead rist

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I mean if you believe steeds are scum maybe, but that's kinda offensive don't you think?

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I'm gonna have to agree with Iecerint here, Elsa's off-topic deflection is actually scummy, though 265 shines a different light on the off-topic post that makes it nullish-town in that light.

This doesn't make me think Iecerint is scummy however, just that Elsa isn't scummy enough for me to vote him.

As for some memeposting, logic isn't always the answer, sometimes a blue demon is staring at you.

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If alchemist were confirmed third party I'd still be looking to eliminate/bury scum.

Especially considering alchemist is a 3p that benefits town more than scum.

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good point, doesn't impact my read much and I never meant to imply alch was confirmed in any way

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pretty good lead rist Vecna

I wouldn't put the 3P claimer so low though, and I'd put A50 as nulltown and not just null.

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gobble's ISO is a bunch of nothing

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Pooky you can't just SR someone for voting someone else... are you scum by any chance?

If so, why the blatant buddying?

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Pooky you can't just SR someone for voting someone else... are you scum by any chance?

If so, why the blatant buddying?

Instead of asking if they are scum.
Do you read them as scum?
What’s your read on them?

I currently nullread Pooky, the GIFs looked town-motivated at first but the OMGUS by proxy makes me think buddying (strong association with DGB).

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Sorta prodge post, I still want to eliminate DGB for now

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Lavender's ISO looks eh but I can see the attempt to effort.

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I've played with A50 before and thought he seemed like his towny self...

apparently I'm not seeing something

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I've never played with A50. They perked up after I interacted with them. I still like their elimination. Open to relevant meta (e.g., whatever TL alludes to, would like to hear something more specific from him).

Played with A50 in Unstable Mafia, the ISOs seem to correlate and he gives the same memey town impression here.

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Another prodge, still think A50 is townish and DGB is scum

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This game is pretty stalled right now, I think a flavor massclaim is a bad idea

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@Pooky: please explain why you think DGB is town

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pooky you're sounding like you're scum now

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At this point Pooky's associated with DGB so much the only thing that will get me to TR pooky is a DGB town flip.

So let's eliminate DGB

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Yeah, let's not quick hammer, those possibilities would allow for such weirdness to come from town

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So you believe can only be T/T or they are both Wolves?
You don’t believe it can be T/S?

T/S would be highly unlikely and I'd honestly just shave that possibility off with Occam's Razor. Keeping that in mind, I don't think it's possible Pooky is town and DGB is scum.

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your vote makes no sense

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why are you voting me because I'm still on DGB?

I can change my vote but no one else is standout scum

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no u

I'm not even voting you because the only reason I have to vote you is pure OMGUS.

I realize voting someone with an informed inno is a terrible idea, but when no one else (key word: else) is actively scummy I have no choice but to vote said inno.

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I'm treating DGB as someone with an informed inno btw, I'd rather be voting than not voting in D1.

actually yeah, looking at chkflip he actually does have a scummy ISO...

VOTE: chkflip

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the one who must not be named

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I really need a lead rist...

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can you explain why you're voting me besides me having stayed on the inno for a bit?

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it's called Pooky is blatantly buddying with DGB and town DGB will redeem Pooky

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it's called Pooky is blatantly buddying with DGB and town DGB will redeem Pooky

Why can’t scum Pooky be buddying Town DGB?

do you really think scum Pooky would fake an inno?

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yeah but if Pooky is trueclaiming it must be T/T (scum investigatives wouldn't claim innos this early lets be honest)

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I had nowhere else to place the vote

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*insert bad reaction to pressure here*

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what's wrong with refusing to let a strong associative slide?

It's the one piece of info we have in this game besides the claimed DGB informed inno from Pooky, and both of these conflict with each other throwing us back to RVS

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I don’t really like this response though.
This needs to be elaborated more.

It was either keeping my vote on the claimed inno, voting someone who isn't scummy, or unvoting. I decided the first of the three was the least scummy.

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I'm now back to a point where chkflip's pushing on me feels honest so I have an objectively bad vote... but no vote isn't right now because I don't see why A50 is scum.

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ebwop: no vote

is good

right now

So I'm locked into a position of having to choose the least bad vote... in D1 where unvoting is actively scummy and voting No Elim is pretty much a scumclaim

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I'd want to get a lead rist but not when there's pressure on me where a wrong lead rist will just get me quickhammered

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what's wrong with refusing to let a strong associative slide?

It's not a strong associative at this point though, it's an outright claim unless I've missed my guess

I mean now it's a claim but it wasn't before and it made Pooky look like Pooky/DGB are co-aligned

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granted, I believe Pooky/DGB to be 300% co-aligned now, and think Pooky is town based on benefit of the doubt and thus DGB is town based on induction

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I really want to do a lead rist as it will anchor my feelings... but if I am at risk of being quickhammered it isn't worth it

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I'm compiling a lead rist rn, I doubt it will do much but it will at least finally give me a good vote hopefully

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here's a quick lead rist, don't send me to the aether if it's wrong because I skimmed everyone's ISO for this:

TR

TL

NT

HN

NS

SL

SR

3P

[Town]

DrippingGoofball

- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now.

Logicalicaltist

- With great pushing and town initiative this is the townie we need.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level.

Almost50

- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.

chkflip

- He's starting to look more promising as time goes on...

pisskop

- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.

Iecerint

- A decently good ISO, 423 is probably a good post.

Lavender

- Not much content in the ISO but I feel a townish vibe.

Alchemist21

- Claimed townsiding 3P, I don't have a reason to doubt this.

username

- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich.

Pine

- Unreadable due to lack of game-related info, defaulting to hard null (assuming V/LAishness here)

gobbledygook

- Lurker with contentless ISO, 126 is approaching info but actually isn't info

Doctor Drew

- Memey, totally not concerned with appearances. However his content looks a little scummy.

Elsa Jay

- I don't like the ISO. Sorry, but I just don't. It doesn't ping me town.

Vecna

- I really don't like the ISO, the readlist is bad in light of future info and 696 feels abrasive to me

[Scum]

VOTE: Vecna

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I go back and forth with Drew in my head between wanting the slot dead and thinking it looks okay

I can't read Vecna for shit and I always think it looks at least a little scummy, maybe it's a playstyle clash. I think Vecna's been mostly okay tho tbh

can you elaborate why you don't like Vecna? And please don't use "abrasive" or "aggressive" as scumtells, because I'm absolutely the last person on this site that you'll ever convince of the idea that hostility or abrasion is scummy

Vecna has really weird thoughtstreams that don't seem towny. Tried declaring scum in RVS for one, somehow did a 180 on me, really doesn't want nullreads for some reason, has a weird scumread on PK, and made a annoyed/abrasive post when he didn't like the conclusions people (mostly me) were drawing from Pooky.

I don't think Vecna is town, and the mostly pure thoughtstreams show this.

And I consider abrasiveness negative charisma.

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yeah I'm still not a high elo mafia player yet, I still don't have a calibrated list of scumtells

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but I thought charisma was good for town, and thus town-AI

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in that case I still feel like Vecna's thoughtstreams say scum

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300% as in 3 times out of 1, Pooky and DGB share the same alignment l.

And my lead rist put Vecna at SL, which stands for scumlean. A strong scumread would have been marked in red.

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Because it's an ordered read list, and saying lead rist is funny

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If I had made my lead rist before the claim I likely would have put DGB as red due to the strong associative and DGB not being towny

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Have you played with Goofball before?

I have not, this is my first game with DGB and Pooky.

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because I'm sure they're not cross-aligned, especially not with Pooky scum and DGB town

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I can't really read gobble as anything except a lurker

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and yeah I'm voting Vecna right now, that VC doesn't look right

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thanks mod!

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I mean I don't understand why people are voting a lurker if they have actual scumreads but you still give off the same scummy vibe you've been giving off this whole game mostly by your thought streams (since your posts seem to be unfiltered).

I am actually fine voting Doctor Drew though.

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theres no scummy vibe and you should ptobably trust the general consensus of these fools that have been towntearing me correctly for years.

That's actually a good argument considering I've never played with you before. And I see townie vibes in this post specifically.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Defaulting to my lowest scumread.

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Alright town!DGB... Your insight will be useful to solving this game

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yeah if alchemist's claim is true I'd say that 3P is more townsiding, it could potentially absorb scum abilities and subvert them for the town's usage

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It's not like I townread Vecna, Vecna's only been bumped up to

nullscum

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My leadrist basically has alch sandwiched between the nulltowns and hard nulls, so its not like Alchemist is screaming townie

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oh man that would be

AWFUL

I consider survivor usually townsiding anyway, we're nowhere close to ELo

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I mean it's still better to somehow get the scum to target said 3P but that's just a fairy tale

But hitting scum with powers that are bad for scum is still a better idea.

pedit: are you saying Alch is scum or scummy 3P (like a SK)? If Alch ends up being Jester then this game is lost.

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My leadrist basically has alch sandwiched between the nulltowns and hard nulls, so its not like Alchemist is screaming townie

and wtf ia the relevance of this? hes either 3p or hes scum. why let us know how you rate him on a t v s spectrum? completely irrelevant. busywork.

My lead rist is an ordered list, and I have the 3p placed like that for a reason... the 3p seems to be helpful to town

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Are you actually suggesting we waste the D1 elim on a third party?

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Claiming would be bad for the town rn

Claiming VT like username did just makes it more likely for the scum to take out an important power role

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This is D1 though

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I mean you can claim and become a target for scum if you want, I don't want to claim D1 unless I'm in danger of being elim'd

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People shouldn't trust them because they don't share towns wincon and nothing stops them from siding with whoever gets them the win

100% of my experience leaving 3ps alive was being screwed sideways. I have never seen it work.

They are not scum hunting and they vote. grrrrrr

In AtmosFEAR I was third party and I literally spent the entire game doing jack shit and lying about my wincon. I didn't have to help the town, I only had to ensure that neither me or four certain other players ended up with The Black Key. So I made sure that all four of them and myself got lynched.

I don't remember who won except that I did.

I was scum in that game...

It was a weird game

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Convince me Alchemist is scum fakeclaiming 3p, this is D1 and wasting the elim will deny us valuable info

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Why are we wanting a 3p instead of scum wagoned?

Unless Alchemist is actually scum, please stop going for an elim that will earn us nothing but a scum NK

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I say vote Dr Drew because even if we mislim we'll at least be in a better position than if we went for a trueclaiming Alchemist

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But Alch could be not lying, and if that happens we're basically at D1 again but without you alive

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I say vote Dr Drew because even if we mislim we'll at least be in a better position than if we went for a trueclaiming Alchemist

Can I hear your case on me please?

You seem pretty uninhibited and your scumminess is flowing into your posts. You don't think like town and I'm feeling it.

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If we eliminate Alchemist and Alchemist turns out to not be lying, we won't have any info and we'll likely be down a townie.

If we eliminate Doctor Drew and Doctor Drew turns out to be town, we'll know Iec is >rand town and A50 is <rand town

pedit: I'm saying your posts and ISO give me the impression you are scum this game, especially something like 65 or 626

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If we eliminate Doctor Drew and Doctor Drew turns out to be town, we'll know Iec is >rand town and A50 is <rand town

Elaborate on these.

See 805 (a chkflip post) for positive association with Iec

See 46 for negative association with A50

pedit: They're a bit slippy

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When the 3p has the worse worst case scenario, I think we need a safe option as it concerns information for D1, I don't think tomorrow will be ELo

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@Drew: If you don't know why posts implying you are scum are slippy because you are admittedly uninhibited, then I don't think you will townside this game

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and you call me defensive after me giving you my scum case...

Yeah, when you flip red I won't be surprised.

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I already scum cased you, you scumslipped and thus if you are town you are still scum

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Your defensiveness shows it's an actual scumslip, if you want a little bonus scum case

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65 and 626

These could have been written off as D1 memes, but the defensiveness and psychological projection means these are 95% actual scumslips

(if not, we still might be better off misliminating drew than correctly eliminating Alch)

pedit: I'm saying you're anti-town

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ebwop: I'm saying Doctor Drew is anti-town, did not see who posted that post

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ebwop: I'm saying Doctor Drew is anti-town, did not see who posted that post

You keep saying this as well.

Do you think I am 3p? Or just a townie who is trolling for lulz?[/quote]You are scum.

If not, you are scumsiding 3p.

If not, you are townsided 3p that still is scummy.

If not, you are trolling town.

If not, you are a burnt cookie.

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how did the quote break like that...

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I'm trying to say liminating the 3p will leave us in a worse position, we lose a potential townsider for no real gain in info, and I'm pretty sure scum A50 doesn't admit he's scum

pedit: If he's been defensive before as well, I can put Doctor Drew off the radar as my scumcase doesn't go any deeper than him scumslipping

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dude you just created a paradox

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Thinking about this further, I've never had a good record of catching scumslips, so Doctor Drew rises up back to scumlean level

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But still, that assumes Doctor Drew isn't normally defensive as town in a 1v1. (if he is Doctor Drew is likely town this game)

To remove the pressure from Doctor Drew I will be switching my vote.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

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ah, so NAI and should not be factoring into my read on him then...

well yeah, I was trying to have a good scumcase in D1 so we can get past D1 and I don't think eliminating the 3P is the best idea

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give me a

scum

case on Alchemist then, don't just tell me he's 3p and I should vote him

Eliminating a trueclaiming alchemist is bad for the town info-wise

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I really feel like you're looking like you're tunneling Alchemist, just because you're mechtown doesn't mean the possibility of Pooky being a fakeclaimer is off the table completely

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Gobble is a lurker with no content, so idk how I feel about gobble readwise

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I should probably stop getting into stupid 1v1s, it doesn't help the town

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Now, with Alch's claimed win-con (assuming it is true).

Did he actually claim a win-con? I only remember him saying he gets *goodness* by being targeted at night.

The wincon is claimed in 42, Alch needs to use two abilities

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I thought I saw scumminess in the general uninhibited posting, given that this is NAI-town for Drew I've decided to remove my SR on Drew

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We've already burned through half the day, willing to accept Alchemist only as a compromise elimination when the deadline gets tighter

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Are you sure, or do you just think so about his weird post about scum trying to stall the game out to vote out Alch?

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A50, please explain how the mechtown is calling you scum for no reason other than for negative association

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Does everyone who SR A50 only do it to disassociate?!

In that case A50 is starting to look townier because of that

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You should have gotten the ichor injector to literally be a god for a few seconds

pedit: yeleleslsles

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pretty sure being a lurker is very humble, wanting to make gobble

more

humble is not what we need right now.

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I was making an Iron Sheik reference.

Yeah I didn't get the reference and thought you were making an actual post.

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This game is hopelessly stalled, who are you willing to compromise lim?

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VOTE: gobbledygook

Yeah this is way too lurky for me

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How is resistance to a wagon mean we are more likely voting scum out?

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Alchemist is still on the compromise lim list, but that's meant to avoid the deadly Day 1 NE

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yeah I think A50 is town this game, he definitely has the town vibe

my vote's on gobble due to the extreme lurkiness

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Pooky what even is that vote

There's no better scumreads and we need to elim someone other than Alch D1 or we lose info

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Not sure why I stopped SRing Vecna though

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But yeah gobble is too lurky especially considering this is off meta

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I'm not sure how voting out a self-resolving slot will benefit us regardless

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I apologize for being lurky, but I have good feelings about Galron

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I still feel lavender is coasting, I will accept lavender as a compromise elim but gobble is still likely to flip red

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There's no point in voting an empty slot so...

VOTE: Lavender

E-4, idk how I feel about Iecerint, still looking decent to an ISO skim

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yeah I still don't get Iecerint's later posts, especially the lead rist

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yeah I still don't get Iecerint's later posts, especially the lead rist

What specifically are you talking about?

your posts with a 4 digit number

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I mostly agree with your townreads in the lead rist (Elsa is not towny though!), I'm not sure why you didn't think Galron was null-townie or why your read on Vecna changed. Also you putting logical, the town spearhead, as scummy is pretty much a scumclaim.

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yeah I still don't get Iecerint's later posts, especially the lead rist

But your voting Lavender.

Lavender is coasting to the point where it is actually scummy

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I'm not against voting iec but lav feels a little more scummy to me

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we've got less than 17 hours on the clock so it's pretty obvious I will switch to iec to avoid a no-lim

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I am willing to E-1, though with time pressure doing so is a quick way to quick hammer town

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So for that reason I won't for now

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I'm assuming pooky has put lavender in the tent

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Soooo I can finally claim?

please do, you're in the tent

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ah, you're what's commonly referred to as a jail keeper

VOTE: Iecerint

Unvoting lavender for now, we only have a bit more than 6 hours

I believe this puts iec at 5 votes

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I mean I still want to give Lavender the benefit of the doubt (they seem like a newbie) but I am willing to switch back

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I'm honestly conflicted but I think iec is more likely to be not town this game

I'm voting iec right now, let me know if I need to vote lavender

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VOTE: Lavender

E-1

I know Jailkeeper is a much more believable claim than Ninja Cop, but we need to avoid deadline and Iec is apparently using meta and a crumb that may exist to bolster himself

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If I'm extrapolating correctly doesn't Lavender only have 8 votes on them?

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Chkflip looks a little scummy, a speed-skim shows his votes feel opportunistic

A50 also doesn't look too good VCA-wise, but I still townread A50

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The town leader is starting to look scummy in D2

oh boi this isn't good

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bold of you to assume you're the town leader chkflip

VOTE: chkflip

Your LAMISTness has been noted and has resulted in a SR

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I'm saying Logical is the town leader because they have been obv!town during Day 1.

Their D2 play is such a swing from left field and scummy that it's shocking. But we're not far into D2 yet so I'm giving Logical the benefit of the doubt.

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And your vote on Logical means you are voting to get rid of town, plain and simple

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I mean Logical isn't mechtown, but "The town leader is starting to look scummy in D2" is not a reason for me to drop a strong TR on logical

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It's called a downward trend and you're on one too, chkflip.

Except you're headed to the bad place it looks like, where your votes are starting to look like a reason to not vote someone

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You're voting with your scum intentions on your hide

I tried to vote towny until deadline pressure (and I disagree that a fast elim is the worst thing to happen D1, that would be a no-lim (literally zero info here), followed by stalling the game out this badly so people compromise lim to avoid a no-lim (next to zero info), then speedlimming (little info), then limming based on bad evidence)

And you're assuming I think logical isn't town. Don't put reads in my mouth or I will spit scumreads at you.

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A lead rist for the crazy mess that is D2:

TR

TL

NT

HN

NS

SL

SR

3P

[Town]

DrippingGoofball

- Has a claimed inno by Pooky, no reason to doubt said inno as of now. Still trying to push an Alchemist exile though.

Logicalicaltist

- Town leader, on a scummy trend D2 so take with a grain of salt.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- The GIFposting reduces content but I have a feeling the informed claim is true so I am putting this at townlean level. Hasn't posted yet in D2.

Almost50

- Still seems like his towny self, but I have a feeling A50 is more reserved here.

Galron

- Laid-back townie who contributes content to the game.

pisskop

- Memey but an ISO skim looked content-rich.

Vecna

- Starting to look very towny now.

Alchemist21

- Claimed townsiding 3P. Apparently logical got roleblocked? Alch might be fakeclaiming, but this will resolve itself D3.

Doctor Drew

- Seeing an upward trend here.

username

- I'm not sure what impression I get from the ISO. At least it's content-rich. Neutral trend here.

Bingle

- Feels like Bingle to me, yep. This isn't TRable though.

Elsa Jay

- Still as scummy as ever, might even be on a downward trend.

chkflip

- Votes with scummy intent, also D1 got stalled to heck and back despite his pushiness so I think that was planned as well.

[Scum]

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You and Doctor Drew are starting to look townier with your later posts... that's what an upward trend is...

Logical is on a downward trend but a strong TR shouldn't be easy to dispel with just gut feeling and circumstantial evidence.

Bingle just feels like Bingle's meta, don't see it as alignment indicative.

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You and Doctor Drew are starting to look townier with your later posts... that's what an upward trend is...

Logical is on a downward trend but a strong TR shouldn't be easy to dispel with just gut feeling and circumstantial evidence.

Bingle just feels like Bingle's meta, don't see it as alignment indicative.

What if I think you might be scum that got told you can gently nudge me and join me to keep pushing chkflip into a mislynch?

That seems like an easy line to take for scum today

I'm not trying to pocket you. I just think you're starting to look townier.

Also I'm a green flip this game.

That being said, chkflip is probably scum, and unless you're infromed chkflip is town you won't sway me much against chkflip.

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yeah I'm not sure why Vecna is trying to throw a small look of shade at me

also I'd like to know at least something about why Vecna townreads chkflip though I don't think I'm getting that answer

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yeah I'm not sure why Vecna is trying to throw a small look of shade at me

also I'd like to know at least something about why Vecna townreads chkflip though I don't think I'm getting that answer

I don’t recall them stating they townread Chkflip unless I missed something.
I remember them saying that they didn’t find Votato’s ISO all that Townie.
But I don’t remember any other read.

In 1885 Vecna says he thinks I'm scum trying to nudge him into a chkflip mislim.

Pretty sure that's a circumstantial townread on chkflip.

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@username: I still have a conflicted read on you

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Are you seriously suggesting we eliminate the town leader over setup spec? Congrats, you're now scum spewed

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Town "leaders" can be scum, y/n?

No, town leaders can't be scum

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If someone thought to be a town leader ends up being scum, they're not a town leader because they weren't town... and that's some god tier deepwolfing

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also bingle your vote without explanation makes no sense

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If you're just trying to throw a look of shade at me I'm not swayed by your vote

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and you have ludicrously high standards for deepwolfing... you might as well be an openwolf if you want to play the bad logic game

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maybe because you might be partners with chkflip?

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so, am I starting to look towny, or am I scum? Which is it?

I thought you were but you have an associative with chkflip

If chkflip somehow flips green then I will be surprised, but that would vindicate you

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Can you explain your read on him in detail please.
Is it the same reason I have on him? Or is it a different reason all together on why you view him as scum.

I mean the later posts in vecna's ISO are looking better and more town-motivated but I feel like Vecna's voting today is being manipulated by chkflip

It's a pretty weak read so I consider Vecna a hard null.

Considering the protective got limed, I'm not sure I should risk claiming when I'm not at risk of hamme

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chkflip has pretty much pushed every wagon D1, so chkflip is looking to lime town with votes. chkflip then goes to call my voting pattern bad when I'm trying to vote my honest scumreads, but pushing is not one of my strong suits (yeah I need to get better at pushing, not trying to look town with an "appeal to newness").

also 1921 is a bucket of setup spec and mod-WIFOM, and it's used to portray logical as

mechscum

, which is what scum wants.

So yeah I have a strong scumread on chkflip for trying to outguess the mod in a

bastard

setup and assigning a freaking

mechscum

read from it.

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but actually most of my read comes from the VCA, which doesn't look town-motivated

but voting logical makes sense if you believe logical is mechscum for whatever reason

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@TL: Regarding your signature, Pre-in me. (Didn't want to PM you since it ma have confused you)

I can't accept /pre-ins like this

(sorry for late response)

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chkflip I don't know what you're trying to get at but if you ask for a townslip I'm not spewing myself because you'll read me as scum either way

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I didn't catch it

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Those were "the game was stalled so badly I had no choice but to vote those to avoid going into D2 with a NE" votes

otherwise known as compromise votes, to be fair I didn't townread either of the two.

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he's using meta and a crumb to make himself look good, of course

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I actually don't care regardless

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I know regardless of what I say you will scumread me.

I don't have any other strong scumreads so I will leave my vote parked on you because that's how town-motivated votes work

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Yeah, that kinda proves my point chkflip has scum motivated votes, especially considering

he thinks Logicaltist is mechscum]/b]

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what part of "self resolving" don't you understand?

Are we really going to waste a Cop shot trying to break open a gilded egg?

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I mean the 3P is trivially confirmable regardless, how alch doesn't have logical's ability shot makes me suspect a roleblocker exists... but a fakeclaim is not out of the question considering the 3P claimed only from flips...

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So yeah, Alch is definitely not resolved yet

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I mean Alch is still not resolved as being the 3p he claimed or not, but if a trueclaiming alch is bad for the town I might have to bite the bullet

but a cop check will work well for the town regardless of alch townsiding or scumsiding

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It seems like you're trying to paint me as scum, but you're just saying my reads suck and therefore I've spewed myself scum somehow

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At this point I'm pretty sure I'd have to answer poorly to a loaded question to spew myself town at this rate

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Also you're also saying I'm fake, which is not very nice and boils down to my reads and play are bad therefore I've spewed myself scum

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At this point I'm pretty sure I'd have to answer poorly to a loaded question to spew myself town at this rate

Why are you trying so hard to spew yourself Town?

I'm trying to look town so I can play the game without pressure and give reads based on feelings and posts.

[TemporalLich]

What stops you from doing

Bolded

currently?

I'm under too much pressure and one wrong move can get me quickhammered

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some people think emotion-based reads are obv!scum so I have to put on a logical persona

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Lich, Logic:

Let's perform an exercise.

Let's say the three of us (myself, you, Logic) are town. We have a semi-confirm locking Pook and Goof as town. That gives a pretty small berth to find scum.

Give me three. Ignore your lists.

Pooky (yeah Pooky is scummy enough for me to distrust the claim, DGB still town tho), PK, Vecna, and maybe Doctor Drew

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I'm not sure how T/T tracker/ninja cop is a negative utility interaction, it allows the cop to act and the tracker to get a negative result on the cop (less suspect)

In a role madness game it might be, but a negative result means you likely didn't perform the NK

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Logically I scumread Bingle, but intuitively I can see where Bingle is coming from and can't form a strong scumread as a result

And chkflip was off limits in that exercise, I'd still put chkflip in my exile pool

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if a busdriver targeted alch, alch is 3000% fakeclaiming because he was provably targeted

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and if you fakeclaim you're scum regardless of your actual alignment

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VOTE: pisskop

I want pisskop to do something for the love of the Outside...

At least post a post, at the very least say "this is a post with no content"

also chkflip is starting to feel towny to me so it makes sense...

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yeah but I want him to post a post

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If you think my vote's gonna make pisskop post a forced reaction then I will switch my vote because honestly voting PK won't help in that case

[TemporalLich]

in that case I agree

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I don't know if the 3p is lying or not, I am leaning toward yes but a role blocker is a possibility

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I mean if I were a cop I'd use it on the most contentious slot, which is probably Doctor Drew right now

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I do mean contentious as in people disagree on the spot's alignment, drew might not be the best example but idk

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username just feels towny to me, a clear wouldn't do much for me.

imo cop shots are best used when both a clear and a guilty on a slot are high-value

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the third party isn't even resolved yet what are you going on about

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VOTE: Vecna

Let's not give the PK slot too much pressure, and let's actually use our votes.