Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)

[Tuxedo Mask]

Wow, way to obv scum page two.

VOTE: Dr.Drew

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: These posts literally only come from scum!

VOTE: Tuxedo

Come at me bro.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Oh wait, fuck this guy.

Wait.......no, this guy is the real problem,

VOTE: votato

VOTE: Doctor Drew - make up your mind already.

They are all scum, not sure which one to vote.

here we go agaaaaaaain
VOTE: piisirattional

Wait, so they are the fourth scum?

yeah, there r six of us pal

Good play, scum claim right away.......hidden in plain sight.

I respect your boldness, won't vote you today no matter what.

Jesus, so many 2020 join dates.

I feel like the crafty veteran of this game.

I see u r letting the best scum for last, wise choice

Real recognizes real.

u literally have 100% scum rate

I left the Newbie board because that queue is cursed

You couldn't believe all the Newbs there.

I am not going to hide my intentions here.

You post gifs of anime.....you move up the Drew scumdar.

You could post a gif of any cartoon and I would believe it was from your avatar.

VOTE: Midari

[Tuxedo Mask]

Wow, way to obv scum page two.

VOTE: Dr.Drew

I don't have my glasses on.

Is this Pedo the bear?

Do you like the impression?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Okay, Drew is town. Time to help catch the scum they caught.

VOTE: Midari

[Tuxedo Mask]

I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?

Not in our experience.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?

Not in our experience.

are you talking about the game where i claimed scum post 1? i think thats evidence in my favor here...

Naw, I'm talking about Treestump.

[Tuxedo Mask]

i think the circumstances there were a bit different, and that was only semi-RVS

Wanna explain the difference to me? I don't see it.

[Tuxedo Mask]

What do you mean in "our" experience?

We're talking about the Treestump game we played where a townie self voted on like page 2.

[Tuxedo Mask]

What do you mean in "our" experience?

We're talking about the Treestump game we played where a townie self voted on like page 2.

By "we" and "our" are you referring to yourself and votato?

Yes.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I don't think I've ever seen CJ engage with a game.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Why no L-2 call out Drew?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Good job Worcestershire. You gottem.

Says the person who opened with the exact same post...

I think I could be forgiven for doing that on page 2...

I'll never forgive you for what you did to me on Page 8.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Wow, I can't believe you caught Drew, CJ, and Worcestershire so fast.

VOTE: Drew

[Tuxedo Mask]

Same, but will you doubt a man that can see the future?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Tuxedo Mask, why are you so focused on Drew?

I enjoy joking around with them. Also based on how our last game went, I sort of want to test this game as a ripple out from Drew in the center if that makes sense?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Prepare yourselves, this is the foretold page.

[Tuxedo Mask]

PEdit

Tuxedo Mask, why are you so focused on Drew?

I enjoy joking around with them. Also based on how our last game went, I sort of want to test this game as a ripple out from Drew in the center if that makes sense?

Ok, and what have you found from it?

NOTHING!

(That's not fully true, because I am getting off vibes with Drew having a reputation for being scum read and is just being ignored so far.)

[Tuxedo Mask]

What do you mean about being ignored though?

Reread the game, this was untrue. You are the center of lots of discussions this game, I guess I got that vibes because I don't really know how people feel about you? Like it seems you aren't being scum read, but I don't think I see any town reads either. Guess just felt off to me. You're there a lot but I don't know what people think of you.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: BrassCJ didn't do anything page 8, therefore he can't see the future, therefore he's a liar.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: BrassCJ didn't do anything page 8, therefore he can't see the future, therefore he's a liar.

You seem to want rvs to keep going.

I'm trying new things, and am having a spot of trouble with my reads. Also, the Midari wagon has seemed to stall out, so I wanna see where traction picks up.

[Tuxedo Mask]

hmmm i think i have figured out something important about this game

Wanna share, or are these more day 2 secrets?

[Tuxedo Mask]

hmmm i think i have figured out something important about this game

Wanna share, or are these more day 2 secrets?

so i think this game is divided into two factions. the good guys and the bad guys. we have to figure out who the bad guys are and kill them before they kill us

If that's the case, then I may need to reevaluate a few things.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: BrassCJ didn't do anything page 8, therefore he can't see the future, therefore he's a liar.

I have failed him by not posting on page 8. That's why I'll never be forgiven. Sad

That just blew my mind. UNVOTE: Brass

[Tuxedo Mask]

Why aren't you voting Tux, if he is your scumlean?

I guess partly because I'm distracted, and partly because I had asked questions and was waiting for answers in case they changed my opinions.

Reread the game, this was untrue. You are the center of lots of discussions this game, I guess I got that vibes because I don't really know how people feel about you? Like it seems you aren't being scum read, but I don't think I see any town reads either. Guess just felt off to me. You're there a lot but I don't know what people think of you.

Ok, but, why should other people's reads on Drew matter to you? I was asking what you learned about other people by focusing on Drew, not what you learned about Drew by what other people are saying about him.

VOTE: Tuxedo

Ah so like most newbie games then when we get bloated.

I've heard before that longer days are typically better for scum, and from the games I've played as scum, town performed better in the games with shorter early games.

Actually bothering to read this, it is good posting.l and makes a good point in the middle.

VOTE: Tuxedo Mask

Is it? I've correctly sorted people before based on how others read them. And my overall point is that Drew is famously scum read, but I don't think its even been a hinted read by any other player, so what does that mean? He could actually be scum this time, the player list has enough experience with him to not fall into that trap, perhaps?

What's the scum motivation to my actions?

[Tuxedo Mask]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

[Tuxedo Mask]

The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.

I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.

VOTE: piisirrational

If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?

Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

If the dropping in content around me made you uncomfortable, why did you jump on the new hotness wagon?

[Tuxedo Mask]

What are your other reads Tux?

Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.

Though I also think your wagon stalling out is interesting.

Midari Ikishima (5) - Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Midari, if you're only reason for not voting me is because you think this my first game outside of the Newbie lobby, then you're mistaken. I have a handful of finished micros. Also, who's alignment have I found out?

[Tuxedo Mask]

why do you townread drew? your posts suggested that you were skeptical of the drew townread, and now you're expressing said townread? which is it?

It's a town read, I feel I've made myself clear here. What posts have made my view confusing? My issue isn't with scum reading Drew, it's that everyone (including myself) seems to be town reading them. So I wanna know what's up with that.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Anyone online?

I'm here. I was going to apply a pressure vote to Pi, but saw they were at L-2. So I don't think L-1 is worth it. What would you like to discuss? I think Midari's most recent posts were weird.

[Tuxedo Mask]

What's the scum motivation to my actions?

I don't know, but at the same time, and more importantly to me, I don't know what the town motivation is, either.

I like this answer.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Midari, if you're only reason for not voting me is because you think this my first game outside of the Newbie lobby, then you're mistaken. I have a handful of finished micros. Also, who's alignment have I found out?

It's not even a reason. I've got you town leaning here. And I don't plan on changing that. Just like I feel Drew is town but a bit clueless.

Calling Drew clueless here feels TMI in my opinion. I would understand this statement coming from town if Midari and Drew were having a big disagreement over someone's alignment, but no one has taken a very strong stance this game. So saying Drew comes off as clueless, implies she knows something about his slight reads that we don't.

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Midari what's your experience? Have you played Forum mafia on other sites?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?

I think I see. You're basically saying that, if Drew hasn't changed, then it could be that mafia is not only not framing him but is actively pushing him as town? From the fact that you are townreading Drew, does this mean you think that they are trying to pocket him?

Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.

Could you explain the townping on Midari?

That could be an explanation, or they thought Drew could get his own wagon going without scum influence. Honestly, I don't have an explanation I feel strongly about at the moment.

I liked how they handled their wagon, and they had some posts that I liked tonally. But I wouldn't currently consider them in my town list.

Pedit: Word get back here and push my wagon.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!

Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!

Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.

I was referring to our previous game together, and hoping we could re-kindle our victorious partnership (where you essentially won us the game).

Yeah, I got that, but are you trying to find out if I'm a PR again?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!

Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.

I was referring to our previous game together, and hoping we could re-kindle our victorious partnership (where you essentially won us the game).

Yeah, I got that, but are you trying to find out if I'm a PR again?

....erm, no? what would give you that idea?

I'm simply keen to enlist your vote to help put pressure on Marashu, and also to see if you can join my town block of awesomeness.

That's what I hope, but this being when and how you try to interact with me feels off. Like when you say specifically for me to "save you again" and saying "I won the game" when both of those things only happened because I was the Jailkeeper feels very weird to me. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but you're just giving me the hibbie jibbies right now.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Tuxedo Mask]

Can someone who townreads votato give me a reason why (Drew, Marashu, Tuxedo)?

Can you explain what you mean here?

[Tuxedo Mask]

People seem to be coming around as Tux as town, but I dunno. I do get a vibe that is pocketing me and I can't shake it.

What can I do to get you to stop shaking in my pocket?

@MOD Marashu is on the VC twice, one of which is voting themselves.

What's up worsch? What are your strongest reads right now?

Mod Note

Thank you, fixed

[Tuxedo Mask]

@CJ do you prefer playing town or scum?

@Worcestershire what made that case more appealing over the cases on me, Midari, Pi, or BM?

[Tuxedo Mask]

We're going to do a quick ELI5!

@ BM lay out the exact plan for the hider and what we learn from it? Would it be likely we carry this plan out day 2?

@Midari what are the flaws with the plan? What do you propose as an alternative?

[Tuxedo Mask]

As I understand it, there are three possibilities:

1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.

The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.

It can be adjusted by there not being a Vig. The person who got Vig can choose to be a tracker instead, and since this is the public plan then it's safe to assume they will/should.

What's with the uptick in activity? You connecting with the game now? What are your reads?

Anything to add Brass?

[Tuxedo Mask]

So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.

Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).

Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?

[Tuxedo Mask]

So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.

Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).

Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?

-0.5 townie points for trying to appear helpful here, when someone else had already referenced the OP above.

-0.5 townie points for asking inane questions about a townie's town-read on other townies, without a clear purpose.

You're slipping away from me Tux...

No, you're right. It's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day, but then suddenly just gets really into talking about NAI theory stuff. You just buy that they suddenly dumbtell in the middle of it too? Do you lose town points for then giving answers to Worsh that I had already given too? Also really, Brass does nothing and also just shows up to talk NAI mechanics stuff, while ignoring a question I asked them, and they're fine?

So I should just drop it and not ask him to explain his reads, cool.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler:

So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.

Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).

Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?

-0.5 townie points for trying to appear helpful here, when someone else had already referenced the OP above.

-0.5 townie points for asking inane questions about a townie's town-read on other townies, without a clear purpose.

You're slipping away from me Tux...

No, you're right. It's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day, but then suddenly just gets really into talking about NAI theory stuff. You just buy that they suddenly dumbtell in the middle of it too? Do you lose town points for then giving answers to Worsh that I had already given too? Also really, Brass does nothing and also just shows up to talk NAI mechanics stuff, while ignoring a question I asked them, and they're fine?

So I should just drop it and not ask him to explain his reads, cool.

I don't think you will ask everyone that question, so to pick on someone likely town, who you could perceive as an easy target, seemed like it could be a bit predatory to me.
And this is a very tetchy response - why so sour? Are you upset your vote for me earlier didn't go anywhere? Or that you're not in my townbloc?

2 details in your post above which struck me as scummy:

1. "it's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day" - I think this is a massive exaggeration on 2 levels. What you're describing doesn't sound "super weird" at all, it happens to like a bunch of people in every game unfortunately. True or false, you're overplaying this. And more importantly perhaps, "he basically lurks the entire day" - we have only just started the day right? it certainly isn't over yet! You are definitely stretching the truth here to try and shade Worcestershire, which is exactly why I called you out in the first place. I suspected you didn't mean to ask the question in good faith, and just wanted a hook to get you back on an easy bandwagon.

2. I never said anything about Brass being "fine" so I don't know why you're taking that defensive line about him above. I said he was a good player, I didn't say he was town. You aren't really reading my posts, you're skimming and jumping to conclusions, and then getting very defensive when you meet any resistance. Not a good look.

I think it's good that this game is not going to be an environment where you can get away with cheap garbage like "Hey Player A - what's your take?" without fear of challenge.

Good question on my own townie points though - no I don't lose them, as I apologised afterwards once I realised my mistake.

1.I'm asking him because he hasn't explained a single read this game. Even if you think I was trying to trap him, I see no reason why you should step in this soon to stop it. Instead, you've basically given him carte blanche to no substantiating reads. I don't see how it benefits the game in the slightest. Also you can see that you're wrong as I also asked questions of Brass. Obviously, they were more general, but that's because Brass' latest posts have been dead empty.

2. I'll wait till you call out Brass then. Since you just chose to go after me that comes off like a mild endorsement of Brass, I.E. you see no problem with how they've been playing with their last few posts.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler:

So there are two roles in one ?

I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.

Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).

Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?

-0.5 townie points for trying to appear helpful here, when someone else had already referenced the OP above.

-0.5 townie points for asking inane questions about a townie's town-read on other townies, without a clear purpose.

You're slipping away from me Tux...

No, you're right. It's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day, but then suddenly just gets really into talking about NAI theory stuff. You just buy that they suddenly dumbtell in the middle of it too? Do you lose town points for then giving answers to Worsh that I had already given too? Also really, Brass does nothing and also just shows up to talk NAI mechanics stuff, while ignoring a question I asked them, and they're fine?

So I should just drop it and not ask him to explain his reads, cool.

I don't think you will ask everyone that question, so to pick on someone likely town, who you could perceive as an easy target, seemed like it could be a bit predatory to me.
And this is a very tetchy response - why so sour? Are you upset your vote for me earlier didn't go anywhere? Or that you're not in my townbloc?

2 details in your post above which struck me as scummy:

1. "it's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day" - I think this is a massive exaggeration on 2 levels. What you're describing doesn't sound "super weird" at all, it happens to like a bunch of people in every game unfortunately. True or false, you're overplaying this. And more importantly perhaps, "he basically lurks the entire day" - we have only just started the day right? it certainly isn't over yet! You are definitely stretching the truth here to try and shade Worcestershire, which is exactly why I called you out in the first place. I suspected you didn't mean to ask the question in good faith, and just wanted a hook to get you back on an easy bandwagon.

2. I never said anything about Brass being "fine" so I don't know why you're taking that defensive line about him above. I said he was a good player, I didn't say he was town. You aren't really reading my posts, you're skimming and jumping to conclusions, and then getting very defensive when you meet any resistance. Not a good look.

I think it's good that this game is not going to be an environment where you can get away with cheap garbage like "Hey Player A - what's your take?" without fear of challenge.

Good question on my own townie points though - no I don't lose them, as I apologised afterwards once I realised my mistake.

1.I'm asking him because he hasn't explained a single read this game. Even if you think I was trying to trap him, I see no reason why you should step in this soon to stop it. Instead, you've basically given him carte blanche to no substantiating reads. I don't see how it benefits the game in the slightest. Also you can see that you're wrong as I also asked questions of Brass. Obviously, they were more general, but that's because Brass' latest posts have been dead empty.

2. I'll wait till you call out Brass then. Since you just chose to go after me that comes off like a mild endorsement of Brass, I.E. you see no problem with how they've been playing with their last few posts.

1. He's in my townbloc, and you aren't. So you are more likely to be scum, and the burden of proof is on you to explain your actions first. You should worry less about what "benefits the game" and more about what is meant to be your job - hunting scum and proving you ain't scum. You haven't dealt with my points above - why did you feel the need to exaggerate the reasons for questionning Worcestershire here? Honesty is your friend if you're town, and your post was not honest - you were under a modicum of scrutiny and going way OTT to sell us on it.

2. If I endorse someone, you'll know about it. If you read my posts anyway.

[/spoiler]

They are apparently in the townbloc after I asked them questions, so you're working backward there. Again is the sole reason they are in it for the dumb tell? Benefiting the game is putting info out there so it is easier to scum hunt, I honestly don't know what you're getting at. How does protecting someone from having to do the monumental task of explaining their own reads help me scum hunt? As for the other stuff I didn't see how to answer it other than, that's how I talk? Like just read my posts, I speak in this manner. Do you not think the day is nearing to a close? A widly scum read slot is a L-2 and people are discussing the best way to do night actions. And even if day 1 went for another hundred pages it wouldn't make me saying someone did something "all day" wrong, that's not how time works. At the point of that post that was the furthest the day had gone, meaning every post before that was "all day" so when I say someone did something "all day" it means all their posts up till now. Why do I have to explain this?

Follow up, sorry I sound annoyed, but it would help if you dropped the condescending tone in your posts. It just bothers me a whole lot, at least not sticking in the emojis as well when you talk to me would be greatly appreciated.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I don't know what I did to that, sorry.

[Tuxedo Mask]

So I don't know how to engage with this game, because apparently everything I've said recently isn't even worth addressing from most players. People wanna give me the rundown of Midari and Marashu and why I should choose one over the other?

[Tuxedo Mask]

I think I've come around on Tuxedo

Why?

[Tuxedo Mask]

So I don't know how to engage with this game, because apparently everything I've said recently isn't even worth addressing from most players. People wanna give me the rundown of Midari and Marashu and why I should choose one over the other?

I swear, this was a coincidence. But feel freee to talk. Give ur take on the game. Who looks suspicious or overly opportunistic?

I got not much at the moment. I think the Midari case looks good, I guess I just feel weird that game keeps coming back 'round to that. I don't know if that's just because they're obvscum, or real scum really wants to push their mislynch. I'm going to check if there are any reoccurring presences on their wagon.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Spoiler: Wagon's a history

VC 1.1

Midari Ikishima (1) - Doctor Drew

VC 1.2

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.3

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Tuxedo Mask, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew

VC 1.4

Midari Ikishima (1)

- word321

VC 1.5

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Here the Midari wagon vanishes and is replaced by this Pi wagon.

VC 1.6

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

VC 1.7

piisirrational (5)

- Midari Ikishima, Deimos27, Battle Mage, superbowl9, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

VC 1.7

Marashu (4)

- piisirrational, Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9

piisirrational (2)

- Midari Ikishima, ceejayvinoya

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

3rd big wagon of the game, Marashu. Doctor Drew continues to be the only trying to revive the Midari wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (1)

- Doctor Drew

Pi wagon dies.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (2)

- Doctor Drew, votato

Votato joins the wagon.

VC 1.8

Marashu (4)

- Battle Mage, Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (3)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321

Word's back.

VC 1.9

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Here comes BM.

Mod Note

Tux, How did you break the bbcode that bad that it broke the site layout?

VC 1.10

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

Midari Ikishima (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, brassherald

I don't know how I broke it so bad, I'm sorry!
Brass joins the party.

VC 1.11

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

[Midari Ikishima] (5)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage, Looker

Brass tranforms into a new person.

VC 1.12

Marashu (3)

- Deimos27, superbowl9, Worcestershire

PenguinPower (4)

- Doctor Drew, votato, word321, Battle Mage

Oh god, now Midari transforms. Now we're all caught up.

Okay, what did I learn here? Drew and Word are bigs fans of the Midari wagon both returning to it. More interesting is the Pi and Marashu wagon has lots of cross over, but no one from the Midari wagon joins either, excluding Midari themselves and Battlemage who comes on at the end. Someone smart tell me what this means.

[Tuxedo Mask]

i think we should ban word.

Famous last words.

I think I feel better about a Marshu lynch than a Penguin one at this point.

(Redacted Question: was going to ask PP why the feel less energetic than when they replaced into Brass, but their excuse is pretty good.)

VOTE: Marshu H-2.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: Marashu

Welcome.

Pedit: Anime is trash, I'd never be connected with something so cringe. We should make an anti-anime town block.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: Marashu

Welcome.

Pedit: Anime is trash, I'd never be connected with something so cringe. We should make an anti-anime town block.

Okay, you I like! This is very funny!

Could you fill me in on why Marashu is now at El-2?
(I'm trying out new terms) (I chose "El" because it is pronounced the same in my head as "L" and stands easily in for "Elimination") (I can use "H" is that is the standard this game tho)

For me? I'm sheeping Superbowl, I liked their reasons for voting Marashu. His points about Marashu pivoting to Nash was something that specifically stood out to me.

I need to reengage into this game and plan on doing a reread, but I think it would be a good use of my energy to wait till after a flip/when the replacements have had more time in the game.

My only hesitation on Marashu is that the same group of players got a lot of traction on wagons for Marashu and Pi. So something pings me about that and kind of makes me feel it is scum Midari/PP indictive, but I've never done VCA before so I don't feel too strong in that gut feeling.

Anyways, I can deal with this all tomorrow. Let's just move on.
VOTE: Marashu

[Tuxedo Mask]

Naw it doesn't. But I like Word's reaction, honestly, I like a lot of what Word has been putting out recently.

UNVOTE: Marashu I don't think I'm comfortable with them being lynched at the moment.

[Tuxedo Mask]

VCA isn't a D1 thing dw Tuxedo.

Yeah, I get that. Same as doing association reads preflips, but still got that feeling in my gut you know? The competing wagons are so oddly segregated in voters.

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And by "play the game" I mean read up and maybe give superficial thoughts because it's high-key almost 5am and I need sleep lmaooooo

Tell me about it. I didn't get to sleep till 7 am last night (which would today.)

[Tuxedo Mask]

i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.

You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.

What's the benefit of not voting someone out today?

[Tuxedo Mask]

I guess what's the benefit of not voting someone out over not killing Marashu anyways? I get the hesitation to not out PRs but like if you look at it logically if that's your hang up then no elimination should just be your stance day 1 or Marashu sort of must to die, right?

P:edit I think Marashu has a good chance to be town too, but with the logic that it's antiscum to not faow claim that means there is a very slim chance that trying to vote someone out day 1 doesn't result in the death of a pr, right?

Either you hit scum and they fake claim, likely outing the real pr.

You hit pr outing them.

Or you hit VT narrowing the the POE for scum. That's also assuming scum don't have some reason that they'd want to do a VT claim here.

I just mean if that's why you want to no elimination, I feel you should have always wanted it over any votes as there is no path that doesn't lead us here or to a dead pr. Scum aren't going to claim scum after all.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I actually think I like Nash's plan.

@Nash, so assume Marashu flipped town just now. What dies that tell you?

[Tuxedo Mask]

VOTE: Marashu If there is where we're headed then I don't want to risk a no hammer.

[Tuxedo Mask]

My only hesitation on Marashu is that the same group of players got a lot of traction on wagons for Marashu and Pi. So something pings me about that and kind of makes me feel it is scum Midari/PP indictive, but I've never done VCA before so I don't feel too strong in that gut feeling.

I think word also highlighted this, but scum is not the only option! Maybe we are just a strong townblock trying to steer town in the right direction, or maybe we are scum - you have to decide this, but don't treat scum manipulation as the only motive here

What about what I said implied it was the only thing I considered? What's the worry of me looking at those that moved from Pi to Marashu?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Is Mara at H-1?

Should be H-2 but you and Plane together can end it.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I have been celebrating the day that Jesus invented 'Murica by kayaking, fishing, getting a sunburn, shooting cans with a pellet gun, throwing axes at shit, and getting drunk.

So basically I am prepared to drop the hammer if need be.......ready to spread some freedom around.

Drop the hammer and pick up a sickle!

[Tuxedo Mask]

Recent absense? What's there to say? I'm just waiting for the hammer at this point. I've said my peace.

[Tuxedo Mask]

I'm very confused about why no one has hammered yet. I don't know what else we're waiting for?

[Tuxedo Mask]

Oh, it seems BM might have. If you haven't voted Marashu yet Drew do you wanna toss one on there just in case?

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@Jackson thanks for all those updates

VOTE: Drew

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@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

BM seems ontop of this game.

Though I don't get the pivot to PP. The two competing wagons for like all of day 1 were scum, really?

[Tuxedo Mask]

@Tuxedo mask

could you explain the reasons behind your vote on drew please?

Tux, you don't actually need to answer this.

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Ari! Give me something before you disappear plskthx. I liked you yesterday...I’m iffy today.

Yes, please. Astro doesn't seem like one to go anywhere. Especially when we're all still waiting on that read list they promised.

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I totally missed that Worsh got replaced. Froppy scared the shit out of me. We truly are being overrun by anime.

I forgive you Ari, but only just.

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I totally missed that Worsh got replaced. Froppy scared the shit out of me. We truly are being overrun by anime.

I forgive you Ari, but only just.

Seriously, can I WOTC this and demand no more anime avatars replace in please?

And Froppy, you don't think scum would prefer to hammer or at least be late to a wagon on there buddy who was almost guaranteed to be hammered?

Unfortunately you are but one among the crowd, and the crowds seem to say, overwhelmingly, that Aminu avatars are lit!

Spoiler: Counter point, if you can't beat 'em join 'em

[Tuxedo Mask]

I don't.....hate it?

Plus, it really isn't anime.

I did my best! At least it is Dr. Drew.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Hey, haven't read the last few pages. I'll hopefully be back with some substantial tonight. Did we really immediately run PP up for a claim, and then drop them? That feels sketchy as hell.

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Who is the most of your worries?

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Who is the most of your worries?

clearly Nash as he's voting for him.

Tux, please vote either Nash or PP, I don't care which.

Still trying to see how I feel about the town bloc. Hard bussing Marashu day 1 is a fine strategy, and the way day two has shaken out has been weird. I'd pick PP over Nash. I at least understood where Nash was coming from end of Day 1. I don't PP has been trying to solve at all today, just arguing about theory stuff.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Also TM I am still really confused why you voted Marashu 3 posts in a row (also then unvote next post lol). And can you confirm that you are following the hider plan?

If you go to my first vote. Right under it Jackson asking if I meant to vote PP (I'm still confused by that) and so it wasn't counted in the VC. Hence the second vote.

The third was more of a joke/reaction test. I've seen fake hammers done in games (one quite poorly that BM should know) and I thought that was a non-disastrous time to give it a shot. I did think I pulled a pretty genuine townie reaction from Word with it. But read it over and tell me what you think, please.

I will do as I am ordered. Though I still feel the least good about BM of those in the town block. So, I'd kind of rather someone else do the order. But since no one else has a problem. I can follow a very simple list yes indeedy.

In post 1167, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
I at least understood where Nash was coming from end of Day 1.

What???? Nash's play at the end of D1 is policy elimable. Now's a great time to put out more detail about why I prefer them to PP.

Yeah, but I fell into that bad play hook line and sinker. So I know a town player can go down that rabbit hole, and I can't just come out the other side and be like 'wow Nash, bad idea time to die.' Y'know? Also, someone has said before that this feels like a game where the scum has given up which maybe? But don't scum have an actually higher chance to win losing a member day 1 (depending on set up), seriously correct me if I'm wrong but I swear I've read that. Since it makes it much harder to get an accurate group read. Therefore I could see them being energized for day 2. Especially if it was bussing. This is also when you point to Nash seeming demotivated, we both have very similar EOD 1 and day 2s. Too me it instead feels like I'm being washed away by a town block I don't fully trust and have no clue how to stop the tide. So I can imagine that being demotivating for town Nash too. But I also have a history of trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with reads like this, and everything I've said at DM has literally not been worthy of comment by anyone in this game. I don't know if this addressed or cleared up anything, but that's where I'm at.

I've also got one more tinfoily thing about BM but I've misread his intentions before, and my theory feels mean. So I haven't shared it.

In the end, this came off more like a rant, but it is late and I don't know how to express myself better.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Mod was referring to the fact that you said PP replaced into brassherald, not the marashu vote

Oh, that makes sense whoops.

I just thought since the vote wasn't on the VC it was about that. For the record, I was talking about PP replacing into the game Brass and Shrapnel there, not Brass the player.

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Why is nothing happening?
VOTE: Penguin Power

I could just go Nash this point to just to get something happening.

[Tuxedo Mask]

Why is nothing happening?
VOTE: Penguin Power

I could just go Nash this point to just to get something happening.

Same, I might just follow you over

So you're saying youd hammer Nash if I voted them?