Grand Idea GPick [Game Over]

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rawr! catching up

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fun fact: for some reason this is only my 2nd post this entire game

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so eh for ya'll who are pinged by that, it's time to settle it :p

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I'm not convinced TSE is town.

How about this:
VOTE: Iconeum

The mighty dragon should wake up from his slumber and enlighten us all.

well ur not wrong

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VOTE: Chateau Lobby

their whole iso is just a mess of non-commital votes and reads

if im reading this right youre voting me for thinking out loud bc I dont think thats inherently scummy

I'm not boting you for thinking out loud, I'm voting you because you give me the vibe of scum thinking out loud.

You are writing typical things that could be placed at the start of any day in any game.

Why do you think a scum would be thinking out loud in a game? What makes that scum!AI and not town!AI? Or NAI, even?

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I mean, scum

already

have PTs to manipulate town... That isn't convincing at all...

are you hinting at something or?

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My town pile is Hellbooks, Ircher, Titus, farside, Chemist, Hoctac, and Drew, roughly in that order.
I still think TSE wants to be lynched.

And i have a scum read on pigman. Lots of filler post there.

hello i'm in this game

i have no filler and no content

i'm town tho

bye

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also i want in that townpile

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VOTE: boring
I trust Chemist
And no offence Battle Mage, but your reads aren’t really that reliable.

where's that trust coming from?

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Oh man, would love to be on a scum team with Titus/farside.

I would love that!

VOTE: Farside

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR

Vote Me if you want to vote BM. Don’t vote BM.
Vote me!

If you think BM is scum. Vote me.

If you think you will still scum read me after BM, Vote me.

Hello Mr. Omgus
So nice to have you join us. Let me introduce you to Ms. Don't Give A Fuck.

How are you getting the impression this is an OMGUS? It's many things, but not that.

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How much you wanna bet the team is Icon, Boring and Farside

ur wrong about at least 1 name :p

scum should definitely kill me before the time comes where i can prove this

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TSE might be a jester.

X

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TSE might be a jester.

No as I said before I’m Knowledgable Townie.
I know BM is 100% Town.

In that world you always vote him over me.
Because if I get lynched, BM will always be Confirmed Town.
If BM gets lynched scum will be evil two-faced buttfucks and try and say my claim is fake and I can still be scum.

only in that case scum simply kill the unlyncheable BM, and we are down 2 Town
and that's just to prove your role?

nah bad idea

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We are simply gonna stay away from BM and TSE for now, it's a hard claim that will probably settle itself later in the game.

There's exactly 0 reasons that are pro-town to lynch in them right now.

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TSE might be a jester.

No as I said before I’m Knowledgable Townie.
I know BM is 100% Town.

In that world you always vote him over me.
Because if I get lynched, BM will always be Confirmed Town.
If BM gets lynched scum will be evil two-faced buttfucks and try and say my claim is fake and I can still be scum.

If he flips what you claimed, your confirmed your ability.
Not seeing your logic.

Ok let me help you then.

BM flips Town.
Scum can say I fake claimed my role because BM Flipping doesn’t prove me Town and I could have just been saying a Town Member is Confirmed Town as Scum.

However, Vice Versa
If I get lynched my role flips which confirms BM as Town.

I fully agree with TSE's logic here. And I'm honestly surprised Farside didn't see this himself.

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people not reading TSE's claim is concerning and honestly I think scum-indicative

VOTE: Drew
I’m more confident here Tbh.
Unless Titus is just scum and I should just join the main wagon but meh.

I keep saying, I wouldn't be the worst lynch........but I also wouldn't be the best.

Manatee.....Dude, why are you so believing of TSE?

So believing?
If you don’t believe me vote me.
Simple.
Drew with posts like that your playing by your scum meta.
I’ll bring up posts of your town games if you want.
If you dare me.
Or you can do it yourself to save me the trouble.
Because I can tell RN this isn’t your normal town meta.

This is literally town spewing. And Town!TSE is very unlikely to be lying about his role. Best approach is to townread them for now, scumhunt and lynch elsewhere, and if we are hitting dead ends and stuff don't make sense, revisit this.

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Okay guys, I just checked TSE's meta. As much as I hate to say this, I think he might be telling the truth. He's always like this. Like, I haven't even found a scum game yet, just 4 town games in a row of this.

I can confirm this as well. No disrespect to TSE, but he does have an ego and will stop at absolutely nothing to prove himself right, even if it is detrimental to town.

The way he is claiming what he's claiming is center dead midfield of his town meta. In any case, he believes what he's saying.
We need to move on from this, for now.

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VOTE: farside

i think his takes are beneath his towngame, and might indicate scum worrying about having too many conftowns popping up left and right.

Battle Mage (3) - Titus, Doctor Drew, farside22

With TSE's claim and BM, there's likely scum trying to pick it apart before they get stuck.
I don't like his overal takes and approach to TSE slot here.

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alternatively i'm willing to lynch the 2 Girls

No Posts and No Content

1 Vote slot

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farside do you at least agree with what i'm saying about TSE and BM?

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farside do you at least agree with what i'm saying about TSE and BM?

The only thing I'm agree with is TSE logic about hotoc able to clear him. What you had was about meta and I don't know the guy.
All I know is this game is sluggish and apparently no one gives a fuck to play.

I am half tempted to replace out tbh.

Do you want to play a game? It's called the ChooChoo game!

VOTE: 2 Girls

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All Aboooooaaard!

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the difference is voting tho

let's put some pressure

we can scumread each other (or not ^^) at a later stage, but let's get this game moving at least

the 2girl hydra isn't the same as those other slots, because they are effectively TWO players not one.

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Also, on a slightly different note, this game feels stalled (and it is) but that's not entirely up to the players.

No Day 1 Lynch.
No Night 1 Kill.

This is just a HUGE prolonged Day 1 as far as reads are concerend. We need a flip.

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Like can you at least read Drew’s other posts before town reading him based on a non alignment indicative post because that’s called “Poor Play”.

I wouldn't want to be accused of poor play.

~girl who enjoys it

Then go read up on Drew and give me some more thoughts on the slot!

One Vote is just bad at this game.

Their ignoring of actual content and choosing to respond to NAI posts and produce NAI content doesn't feel like bad at the game, but deliberate

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To be honest, I also want to replace out but I'll stay and do my due diligence until everything is figured out but all these claims and whatnot are exhausting

are the claims overwhelming? did you perhaps expect a nice and normal game when you signed up for this?

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interesting timing to start doing stuff after just being called out for not doing anything all game despite there being 2 of you

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big difference between number of posts and content, girls

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interesting timing to start doing stuff after just being called out for not doing anything all game despite there being 2 of you

You'd prefer we went back to lurking? Also, thats rich coming from someone with a post count even lower than ours.

I take back what i said about TSE being scum. being a scummy person is different. As a scummy person myself, I would like to express sincere regret for scumreading you. We believe and stand with TSE!

do we want to waste a hoctac investigation on quick's VT fake-claim?

-the money

holy shit this is such a dishonest take on just about everything i said

-calling me out for having fewer posts, but not mentioning that you only surpassed my number of posts AFTER I called you out and you started spamming?

-threatening to go back to lurking = admitting you were actually lurking, which in my book = claiming scum (or in this game, at the very least Not Town). Any reason you were lurking?

-you change your mind about TSE with information that was always available. why did you choose to backtrack? too much heat?

-MORE VOTES ON THIS PLEASE - CHOOOOCHOOO

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weekend vla - extended to include Monday because holidy

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yeah i've got nothing

if there's a consensus 'ill claim confirmeable or not and my card(s)

There's stuff i don't like about the Girls, and the stuff that I do like only came after being called out so… Still a good lynch imo

if anyone wants to engage over something let me know

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if anyone wants to engage over something let me know

WRT Quick and Boring:

Do you like to lynch 3Ps or lairs?

i think most lynches would be great at this point, to move the game a bit

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i don't care enough about the hellbook slot to defend it (sorry nothing personal), but i wouldn't push it myself right now

neutral read

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What's your thoughts on hellbooks?

do you think the gamestate would improve if I was something resembling a conftown?

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what's the case on CL?

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we just need to see some bodies this game to get it moving imo

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And I think ircher is scum. I'm not 100% confident in that read but I feel it in my bones.

and here i was thinking what a lovely couple you guys are

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Rawr!

am behind on the day, catching up later today

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hi TSE whattup

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Ircher in the hotseat?

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if he's gonna be lynched, i'm claiming before EoD.

Also lynching him would be a bloodbath i'm not sure I want that

It's only Monday I prefer my bloodbaths on Friday

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i'm literally torn in half about ircher

there's reasons i wanna lynch him

there's reasons i don't…

much of it is WIFOM as well

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what makes Ircher obvtown to you, CL?

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That the vibe I have got from his slot

i definitely had that on D1

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which makes me wonder

why does a town!loverizer loverize 2 town?

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alternatively why does a scum!loverizer loverize 2 town and not shoot them

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but Ico, there were no kills on N1 which means shenanigans


hmmmmmm

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My role is actually verifiable.

P.S. Farside, how's Ircher doing?

well it's confirmed your role allright

VOTE: Ircher

Not sure Ircher's lying, but his play here regardless is proscum. I am with Bingle and Farside.

can you explain the proscum part to me? i don't gettit

pedit2: Already claimed a green card.

Yeah, your complete refusal to participate in protown abuse of a scum power role OR back up how doing so isn't a good idea with anything more than nonsense is a pretty strong cornerstone of my case against you, but thanks for pointing that out again.

Where was Titus' role confirmed D2? Boring's list just had her as confirmable role.

My role was confirmed D1. I neighborized Farside and Ircher which had the side effect of making them lovers. I found Farside's push on Ircher quite townie for that reason. I believe they would still die if Ircher was lynched.

this could actually be scum!Titus who loverized ircher with Fark on N1, and then ircher with another town on N2 and is now aiming to get 3 town killed with 1 lynch.

This is my tinfoil head thinking right now

Thoughts?

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Ugh formatting broke. Point is Quick said farside was town while voting farside.

I get the feeling Quick Manatee and One Vote are all scum together.

You want Quick to claim but you're voting boring because? A green card seems like a dumb thing to make up.

Quick and Manatee are far better lynches.

Risk??? I want a rationale for the risk. Wouldn't you want scum reads targeted instead? If not im going to want to know why.

This is exactly what I mean. I don't want scumreads paired because they get a private place to manipulate town.

I don't want my moves second guessed and manipulated.

quotes in wrong order but i was zig zagging Titus ISO

Titus loverized Fark and Ircher N1 to give town a place to talk and coordinate.
Then N2 Titus loverized 2 scumreads with IRCHER?? and Quick? I get Quick from your perspective, but Ircher?

The last quote makes even less sense given your choice of N1 action.

There's something off with your claims and beliefs, Titus.

VOTE: Titus

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If any of the lovers are killed and it chainkills Ircher/Quick/Fark and they flip all town, Titus is confscum.

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Any reason Farside can verify that, and not Ircher?

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it seems that he is, yes

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Hurtcount for the case that Irch flips blue card:

Titus (4) - hellbooks, TrueSoulEnergy, Battle Mage, Iconeum
CL (1.5) - Bingle, MD?
DDrew (1) - farside
Bingle (1) - Pigman

I'm kinda not okay at all with lynching Titus, either, given that A) she can be neither the explanation for Quick's not death NOR the Card Dealer by role and also that the Irch/Quick loverize is crazy town indicative.

UNVOTE: Titus

i don't wanna lynch titus

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argh

i was townreading ircher on D1 and did things based off of that and I don't really townread Ircher anymore because of Titus and ircher behaviour towards me

i am a sad dragon

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also my role will be utterly useless if Ircher dies, so i feel it's best to just out if he dies anyway

claiming prior to Irche death can have benefits and may force scum to do things they don't really wanna do

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it's not really beneficial to claim at this point.

but i'm very clear that IF ircher is lynched i claim prior to that

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VOTE: boring

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Titus already stated this is a scummy slot. The way boring has been hopping on Ircher and the reasoning just *smells* like scum's wet dream of a mislynch.

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I don't agree with many of the stuff being brought up against ircher.

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i'm switching quick with boring oops

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i'm not gonna fight his lynch because there's too many voices speaking out against him, so it won't do much good

i don't feel ircher as defeatist, but then again he's a lot more active and townie in our pt then he is in here

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also i'm a town 1shot friendly neighbourizer who targeted Ircher on N1

we share a PT in which I am mod-confirmed town to ircher

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VOTE: Ircher

Ircher seems defeated. Not much else I can say. town!ircher wouldn't be so resigned imo but I don't have much experience there but I am just comparing with early game Ircher vs. ircher now.

there is 0 scum!indicative stuff in what you are saying

when 3 quarters of a playing list are shouting for your head, your allignment doesn't matter. You will feel like that, and it's near impossible to have the will to do much other then get ahead with the lynch

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i think i don't like about half the votes on that wagon lol

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boring, Cl and even Drew's votes are icky
if ircher flips town i'd look into those

wink wink

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my townread on ircher isn't very strong

i don't have the will to really fight this lynch and i think not lynching ircher will stand in town's way of solving anyway
and there's Always a chance he's just got me somewhat pocketed

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from all lover the place

was this intentional or not?

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made me giggle anyway lol

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in any case

HOLD WITH LYNCHING IRCHER UNTIL HE CONFIRMS ME AS TOWN

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it's role included

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mod-confirmed town *to Ircher* btw

you know

like a friendly neighbour

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regardless I don't think you can lie about being mod-confirmed though.

it's a mix-up between neighbourizer AND friendly neighbour. Also a 1-shot.

Actually, just read p.66 number 1648

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Weekend vla

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Rawr!

whaatup

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I feel like Titus and Farside are just scum who aren’t afraid to open wolf.
I’m sorry but I won’t allow wolves to win if they just outright open themselves up.

VOTE: Titus

explain the openwolfing part?

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[yeah im gonna have to agree with hellbooks on this one, unless of course shes 1 of like like 7 mafia and they get majority after this or something.]
[Chateau is still a minor suspect for me. could be scum faking third party]
[I reevaluated Titus during the night -- is it possible for her to be scum, the claim she made seemed difficult to fake and of course she is a pheromone seeder or whatever]

under no circumstance is Titus fakeclaiming - I am vouching for the lovering power claim to be real. There've been multiple lover pairings and scum have not taken advantage of a single - double kill that would synergize nicely with that claim.

Also I don't think pairing me like this is scum!motivated

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lol friendly neighborhood rolecop here porkens is an alien sympathiser and is crumbing that by claiming there are no other aliens (and is therefore a VT) but he's not bc i'm still alive

This is a lie.

I am not an alien although this slot for a brief moment pregame was an alien, but not anymore.

VOTE: hellbooks

I vigged drew because I thought his claim was most likely fake and even if it was real it would still be an arguably useful shot.

Borning lied about being town coconut, although the real role is very near on the same page.

Also I received a message from the mod that I can only use my abilities once more this game.

why are you seeing what he claimed as scum!motivated? do you think scum NEED to mislynch you now to win the game?

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that is such an extreme overreaction to pressure from hellbooks that it pings me

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Scratch the mass block. Hoctac died night 2.

Given Iconeum didn't out his loverization again, I am beginning to think Quick is ascetic.

i got loverized

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you could start by reading

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Congrats!

do you have some spare time on your BD to post some content?

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[haven't we gone over why Titus is likely town enough yet?]

The role could be any alignment and a few thing from titus doesn't make sense.
She started by targeting me and ircher saying she town read both of us. Why loverize 2 people you town read? Then she targets ircher with quick. She never really explained her change of read on ircher and lastly i feel a great sense of buddying coming from her towards me.

My role changed to VT.

ok why don't you try to answer your own questions about Titus?
Why does scum!Titus try to loverize two people it 'townreads', only to then not kill them?

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i don't see any spectacular reasoning behind any of it, neither town nor scum.

what titus said was the reasons, did change. but i don't mind them, i think?

Titus is probably a bad bad lynch today

[Iconeum]

vla until 29/06

shouldn't have too much of an impact, but still

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can we just lynch starbuck today?

she's refusing ANY kind of cooperation in the love PT, not even a bit of smooching!
absolutely terrible iso

stalling a lot

in the best of cases this slot goes late game and we are stuck with it and not a way to solve it

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VOTE: starbuck

i'm not caught up yet

so if there were spicey things happening i'll only get to that on like, Monday afternoon

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Im considering Starbucks as confirmee not town

Not caught up btw

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well this certainly saves me the trouble of pushing starbuck today

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i don't think CL gets a free pass to not claim today

he should definitely claim

[Iconeum]

the card distributor = scum, right?

from these players left, that is is CL/Looker/Porkens imo

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Remind me how iconeum is confirmed?

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Seriously tho, this game should progress on the claim of CL. Not claiming = we lynch him.

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[Oh sorry I didn't buy into the whole Titus is an alien thing by the way. To be honest, i thought it was a red herring and we were mostly dealing with the red scum or at least some kind of scum trying to take away our leashed double kill power]

[If I had to guess right now, I'd say Looker is probably the card dealer. Just a preemptive guess though because I haven't started investigating people yet]

[Oh!]

[Pork, why'd you get an innocent result on Bingle? Does your Cop ability only detect mafia?]

I would say the 3 players that look the worse for the card dealer is TSE, CL or Looker.

Well at least I now understand bingle desire not to push titus. I'm glad not to go up that mountain anymore.

I wonder if all those people died because of the bomber.
I think I will go this way today for the claim. I'm looking at TSE or Looker for scum. I just found out pigman was an alt of ELT

VOTE: Looker

You are looking for the card dealer, and even mention CL, but don't push in any way on him to actually claim?

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Explain to me how this isn't looking like exactly CL being the card dealer caught with his pants down after these mass flips?

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Morning tweet and TSE are in my town pool

i know i haven't been here much, but hey

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Allow me to illustrate CL right now with the help of this gif, post-flips:

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page number claim, CL?

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Not sure what happened last night but I should have protected Bingle.

have you read the flips?

or am i misunderstanding your role?

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that would be me

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the confirmed town

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why do you wish you protected Bingle, the flipped NON-town?

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VOTE: Looker

fine with RB'ing CL

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i cant realistically believe Porkens is town here between all of his lies that *do not benefit town*

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doesn't mean CL isn't scum tho :p

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i really don't wanna follow 'the cop' on someone who open wolfed (alien'd?) and previously lied about alien information

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VOTE: porkens

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too many lies and i don't feel porkens has justified it with them being 'gambits' as i don't see anything pro town in them

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if the game isn't over after we lynch porkens, and there's a night kill

we can kill CL i guess

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and your 100% townread of TSE is based on...?

if you don't give at least a semi-decent explanation for your fake claiming shenanigans wrt aliens and your EoD actions last day i'm pushing your lynch

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porkens how do you explain the lack of a nightkill?

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because as far as i know, you called a roleblock last night on CL while you were one-shotted already so??

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Farside’s Claim is legit fake.

ok what do you mean exactly?

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Actually I don’t believe we are even in LYLO/MYLO.

VOTE: No Execution

I want to see who gets night killed.
Even though it’s most likely going to be me and Ico I’m curious.

Although it might be best to lynch someone here I’m not sure.
My vote will be here though for now. I’d like all of your opinions as well.

bad idea, no?

like you say, it's most likely going to be me which leaves you where you are today, minus the ONLY conf town. I don't see how that's a better scenario

I'm still here today and i'm going to use my vote to help solve this

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Ok here it goes. I asked the mod what would happen if we got down to two unaligned scum, what would happen. He confirmed that both scum factions would tie. I’m werewolf and I’ll kill iconeum. If the other scum is still alive, kill someone else. I’m putting all my money on this, but if we just lynched card dealerbom fucked anyway too many clears. And I claimed wolf already and it’s only a matter of time till you figure that out lol.

Oh and please god don’t let looker have a blue card

To be clear I kill iconeum, you (chetau please be dealer) don’t kill me, you won’t survive too many clears. Kill someone else, then there are 4, we nolynch tomorrow and kill the last two.

Also sorry Ifigênia fucking up here.

let me be very, very clear here

i believe there is exactly 0,00 % chance Porkens was lying here
he genuinely believed this might win him the game

he even apologized for 'if fucking this up'

there is MAYBE an offchance that it actually is a town gambit. It's really really small. And a bad one at that.

we

are

executing

Porkens

VOTE: PORKENS
VOTE: PORKENS
VOTE: PORKENS
VOTE: PORKENS
VOTE: PORKENS
VOTE: PORKENS

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guys if you play this ten times

how many times is porkens just scum here with all of his 'moves'?

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Ugh the problem is tomorrow you are going to have to lynch correctly between cl and TSE or it’ll be game, assuming not alien. I guess it probably works out to roughly the same but I don’t want to leave that oportunity wife open. If we hang cl and he’s town, I’m dead tomorrow. That gives the win to TSE. THE THINGNIS TSEs claim has the most wiggle room.

I’m just worried that town is going to lose and it’ll be my fault because of my twilight wifom. so I can’t just say go for it it doesn’t matter. I need you all to realize that my role is not fala or. The green card, the night actions, it’s too many moving parts to be feasibly made up. I thought I was helping with my interference but it could actually cost us the game.

Scum TSE totally holsters here. But the razor says it’s CL. I really really want to hang cl. That ~should~ end the game. It’s also totally possible that there are two scum left in which case we will have to dance this dance all over again tomorrow.

if the game isn't over with your lynch, and you flip town, there's a ++chance you actually did block a nightkill so it's gonna be pretty Obvious who we are executing next

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if there's 2 scumboi left then we lose if we lynch porkens and he ain't one of them, right?

i don't see why 2 scum wouldn't have killed last night

they were informed where the rb would be so --chance of that happening

the theory of the simplest explanation is that porkens is just not town here

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if there's multiple scum left outside of porkens, i'll take the loss

otherwise, even if he flips town, we have a clear lynch come tomorrow

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[Seriously, are any of you town-aligned?]

ehm

yeah?

[If farside is telling the truth, that means that Chateau has a role that wins from Starbuck being exiled D1.]

[If farside is lying, she has a role that stops D1 exiles somehow. Chateau can still be scum independently.]

[I kind of think i default to wanting to kill Chateau unless i can find a magical role that explains it all perfectly.]

Ok I figured it out.
Icon is Condemner with Starbuck as their target
CL is Final Scum.


Could be wrong but this conclusion makes sense unless I’m missing information here.

my dude...

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i don't like this surrender of power to me

what makes me the one to solve this game solo?

the one thing I did good this game was refocus attention to porkens last day when ya'll were straying from the path...

[Iconeum]

someone talk to me about claims?

i'm confirmed, the one-shotizer is pretty much confirmed imo
what else did we have left in alive players?

[Iconeum]

my reads are somewhere around

me + Morning town
Farside probably town because D1 lynch didn't work?


scum in TSE/CL - both claims could be faked
was there any reason the Shield didn't protect me?

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I found the role:

Town Shielder

You are a Doctor, but the sanity of whoever you protect is reversed for that night.

But it says nothing about it only lasting till a certain night and CL has not explained why he didn't protect Icon whom was confirmed town.

So my vote is loosely on him for those reason. I just can't shake how little TSE has said this game.

fair to say this needs answering

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looks like it

quick being a wolf got deathproof by virtue of that role on D1 lynch. It proves the Effort Saver claim at least

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now the main issue with the role is that there is no allignment attached to it in the big thread

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Effort Saver

Roles that end the game when they win cannot win until Day 2 or later. They are deathproof until Day 2 to compensate.

[Wait-- does a groupscum "End the game when they win"? I guess they technically do right? So in other words, all mafia, werewolves, and aliens were deathproof till day two!?]

[i never thought of it like that. But if that is how the role was interpreted, that explains everything perfectly. No showstopper condemner required. No fancy scum role blocking lynches either]

so like

'Roles that *forced to leave* the game when they cannot win until Day 2 or later are deathproof until D2 to compensate'

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oh god what a scummy opening hayasaka

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nothing personal, but it feeled faked

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Do we have living conf towns?
Do we have living consensus towns (including dead town players)?

I want to know if I have an easy place to anchor myself off of

i'm conf town by virtue of proven claim by a now dead townie

that's about it, other then reads

a few confirmed roles, but not allignment

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reading back it's probably likely the town shielder isn't a fake claim, right?

so farside or TSE slot to lynch

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well yes

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[I think the aliens attacked N5, and used Titus' loverization to kill both Star and Battle Mage.]

[The other nights, well, it's technically possible you blocked almost every kill. Technically.]

[I checked Grand Idea, by the way, there are quite a few alien doctors. Still, if you are an alien doctor, it's kind of odd you'd admit to healing almost exclusively aliens.]

open

wolfing

aliening is a thing tho

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Ur making a lot of sense, MT.

I'm down with executing CL. I agree he makes the most sense.

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if wrong and there is a NK, we should still have a phase left to win

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VOTE: CL

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UNVOTE:

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sometimes i literally feel like there's only 2 town here

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if Morning isn't town, it can have the win as far as i'm concerned

us 2 are the townblock from my pov

CL's latest posts don't really strike me as scum who see a hammer on them

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farside otoh made a little post without having to bother to vote even

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i was kinda hoping this game would be over with a porkens lynch...

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ok assuming we have 2 lynches (at least) left

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Basically I think you have all played this game for over 1 month, so I more just want to analyze the statements you guys are making.
Point out what is misinformed and inaccurate then make the most educated guess on what you guys believe. I don't think it's my place to impose myself on this game after coming in so late.

But I do want to help town win otherwise I wouldn't be here.

This game isn't that long, considering it's 8 friggin days. You should do your homework if you wanna contribute.

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i really don't like hayasaka posting

it's evasive, NAI talk about being a good townie and wanting town to win and yada yada while being friendly enough to not be scumread on the spot

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tho, the uninformed part about it might be legit so it could still be town

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i suppose we do farside, right?

probably a good execution because of role PoE

it's literally the only role that can actually be scum, right?

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i mean, there's a chance this game is auto as well because of the lack of nightkills

could be scum shenanigans, but more likely is that the last scum can't perform a NK at all

if that is the case, we just start lining up lynches that do not include me

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farside > haya > CL > MT > Ico

or?

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VOTE: farside

enough of circle going

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in case of NK, which will probably be on me

3 left: CL/hayaTSE/MT

good luck in that case lol

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in the 3p lylo, i'd say just lynch haya

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If I don't survive this, it was a pleasure working with you guys.

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I don't even see you guys voting on me being scummy. Just I was truthful about my role so she should be lynched. If there is one scum left it has to be someone who voted me. But I think everyone is sick of this game and being dumb at this point that is town.
If it is alien left (which I'm assuming from lack of kills) I still say it's either Cl or the TSE replacement. I should not have not have been lynched and I'm sad that players have reached a point of not trying to figure this game out. It's been like that from the start and I hated how players have been the majority of this game.
I won't be back to this game for comments, only to see who was what, but I'm glad that I'm out of this game. It and The Weakest Link game made me really hate being back at MS.

if ur town, and you agree with aliens and no NK, why aren't you happy that this is now auto?

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you aren't being done over for scumminess, but PoE based on claims mostly

which is OK after SO MANY scum are dead

if ur town there is no need to be salty over this actually

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you aren't being done over for scumminess, but PoE based on claims mostly

which is OK after SO MANY scum are dead

if ur town there is no need to be salty over this actually

My time was about figuring out who was scum. Not just oh you have a role that could be scum. No one cared about the interactions or tried to scum hunt.
I thought alien's recruited so I'm not sure how that role works other then they get one kill (I think). So if it's one left with a non-killing role ability good for town.
I don't see it that simple. I see 2 players that were a hell of a lot scummier and if I'm right you gave them the win.

really not truthfull here, because Morning Tweet has put quite a bit of effort into this

do you really think there's ANOTHER two scum?

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My time was about figuring out who was scum. Not just oh you have a role that could be scum.

how about you go over the PoE yourself and tell me what you learn?

list up every single claim still alive, and start PoE'ing it

why hasn't the game ended yet?

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from the top of my head something like

i'm conftown based on claim
Morning is close to conftown based on claim
CL is probably a shield, which can only be town? this is lower because he could be lying, while Morning's role was pretty much proven

that leaves TSE slot and you

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I don't see it that simple. I see 2 players that were a hell of a lot scummier and if I'm right you gave them the win.

wait you honestly believe there's 2

alligned

scum left, who don't have or are not using a NK?

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17 player game, with 7!! already flipped scum and farside you are promoting the thought there are 2 more non-town roles?

that makes this 8 town vs 9 non-town (granted in 4 different teams)

lol?

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2 mafia flips
2 werewolf flips
2 alien flips
1 third party flip

and game not over, so at least 1 more non-town role

balance wise it's probably just a survivor/third party type of role

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but having 2 more *alligned* non-town players?

really?

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oh boy

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i'm just rereading a bit first

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the post about TSE semi-suiciding by hard claiming is compelling

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and i've already submitted a loss if MT is scum anyway so

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VOTE: CL

yolo

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OMG FUCK YES

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i was getting more paranoid of my MT townread by the day

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thanks TL for modding

and everyone for suffering with us thru this :p

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Gg heartbreaker I should have kept my mouth shut and killed ico

it was bad enough that i had to convince everyone you were actually just scum lol

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however i respect the balls you have to make the play