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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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I don't agree with this (not caring about dying early isn't AtE, it's a mentality), but I see the kind of player NoPower is now. And I don't think it's true only siths deal in absolutes in Mafia; NoPower is going pretty hard at Norwee for rather weak reasons here. Leaning town on him, and leaning TvT on Norwee - NoPower.In post 340, NoPowerOverMe wrote:The "I don't care if I die early" is blatant ate that's the main reason Norway needs to go.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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Um, that's it? Rather lazy. I'm disappointed. You are officially stripped of your early town points.
Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Nero Cain Survivor
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the "I don't care if I die" is (imo) mostly bad town mentality thatsEASILYfakeable from scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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Spoiler: Glitch's wallpost
Replied to what you wanted me to reply to
The point about Nero's naked vote on Norwee is fair. It doesn't feel right to me on a pure gut level, but it logically makes sense, so idk. I guess I'll keep a bit more of an eye on him? Either way, I like that part of the post.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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True, but the benefits of faking it as scum aren't so great, and it's not rare to see it simply come from town, so I'm very reluctant to scumread anyone on that basis.In post 428, Nero Cain wrote:the "I don't care if I die" is (imo) mostly bad town mentality thatsEASILYfakeable from scum.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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NorwegianboyEE GLADiator
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I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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you do know that I actully explained my "naked" vote and thus glitchs "you set a trap for him!" "you scumread him b/c he asked why you are voting him!" are lies from the bottom pit of hell?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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I just realized I've cluttered a page and a half with my catch-up lol. I think I'm going off now, have fun guys
YESIn post 431, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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I mean, if you have a feeling no matter how small and insinifigant it is you should ignore it?
What the hell kind of discredit bullshit is that?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 278, Nero Cain wrote:I'm not really hard scumreading him or anything but I had a little niggle and I didn't really want to leave my vote empty after I got off Stan. Its been a while but I vaguely recall norway proclaiming himself as town ad nasuem when he was scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Town looter Goon
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Yeah, I am not going to pretend it is in anyway a strong or high accuracy read. Basically my thought process was "Superbowl misrepped me slightly, i'll call him out on it and see what happens with other responses to the situation". Both MM and Fwesnid included negative responses to Superbowl after that. Fwesnid's was probably more direct (hence a slightly stronger read), but MM was the one who had a wagon so I jumped on that. It was a shit case, but pretty sure 99.9% of cases in the first 10 pages of a large are going to be.In post 383, Glitch wrote:
Is this what you're talking about when you said you threw a tiny bit of shade at superbowl? How is this throwing a tiny bit of shade? This is the only time you've addressed SB in the game:In post 144, Town looter wrote:For me it's because I threw a tiny amount of shade at superbowl as a bit of a reaction test and got two small nibbles.
Can you please clarify: where did you throw a tiny bit of shade on SB, and where was MM's response to that which made you decide to vote for him? Who was the other person who took your "bait?" This seems like a really weak argument worthy of voting for because I don't see anything indicating that you actually threw shade at SB and especially don't see anywhere where MM gave a reaction to that. And yet somehow MM gave enough reaction to vote for him?In post 47, Town looter wrote:
That's really not what I said though, was it...In post 45, superbowl9 wrote:
Disagree low activity players are better for scum to have around.In post 43, Town looter wrote:Unless there is good evidence of lurking, no. Mis-elimming an active slot will generally tell us more than a mis-elim on an inactive slot. This obviously only applies to early game, activity will be a useful source of information later in the game because of how easy it is to fly below the radar.Elimming a high activity slot just for info is not a good idea
FWIW updated reads: MM is pretty null leaning town - null because I am skimming and haven't thought too deeply about what they have been saying nor the arguments they have been making in other discussions (I am a slow ponderous thinker, mostly) but bit of a town feel from activity alone. Fwesnid I have actually flipped based on 384, and have a reasonably strong town read on them.
Hopefully that answers MM's question as well.
On the Nero/Norwegian/NPOM/et. al. front I am actually rather confused. I am reading pretty good points from both sides, but haven't made full sense of it yet.
UNVOTE: Norwegian while I have another read. I remember something pinging along the way from first read.signature-
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Town looter Goon
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+1.In post 425, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:This whole argument between Nero, NoPower and Norwee on pages 12-14 will be very interesting to look at when one of them flips, but for now, it's only giving me a headache lolsignature-
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Town looter Goon
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Bleh, just as I was starting to get a gut scum feeling about Superbowl (SB), MM throws a proper case together and is going to make it look like I am sheeping (for the 2nd or 3rd time in this game ).
My read started after re-reading the Stanley interaction. I think Scum!SB genuinely thinks it's a good case that he can latch onto and look like he is scumhunting. And it kind of is, except for the fact that there absolutely could be a SvT interaction that "feels" forced (I take Stanley's response as a throw-away gut feeling after reading - I have made similar statements): Scum could be doing the forcing, which gives the conversation a forced feel overall. Given I have a mild town read on Stan, I am willing to trust his gut in this.
Then there is the reluctance to respond openly, which could be scum motivated as the information may not exist.
And then the response to mis-quoting in 308; later you say you were going to respond, but your initial response doesn't really add up. I think a more natural town response would be to respond to 235, probably in a slightly flustered way given you mis-posted.
All very minor things, but they all add up.
I also am getting town vibes from Nero (and NoPowerOverMe, which will matter in a second). Trusting these vibes puts a question mark over Glitch. And where are you in Glitch's reads? Right where a scum partner would be. I know it is absurd looking for associations prior to a single flip. But like I say, the little things are adding up.
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72offsuit Mafia Scum
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I don't have a read on MM at all. Nothing has registered on the town-scum-radar.In post 232, SJReaver wrote:In post 104, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Why do you feel the need to put "reason" next to every vote you make?
Do you townread Marshmellow? I find when people echo specific phrases while speaking with me, it's because the second speaker feels comfortable with the first.In post 228, 72offsuit wrote:Why did you feel the need to state the Strong townread was serious?-
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72offsuit Mafia Scum
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There are 5 scum. You seriously think all 5 are going to be low/medium posters and just allow town to form a town-block. Yeah nahIn post 346, superbowl9 wrote:I don't see scum in this top 5/6 teir of the activity list btw
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Thats because I wasnt confident about what i was sheeping.In post 419, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
The temptation is too strong.In post 210, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Hear hear brother.In post 209, superbowl9 wrote:Anime pfps are rising in strength. Soon we will take over the universe
The time for revolution is neigh. Throw off the chains of the bourgeoisie anti-anime oppressors.Spoiler: video
Right. Good start from offsuit here.In post 215, 72offsuit wrote:
Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?In post 64, superbowl9 wrote:
This is the correct takeIn post 51, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:This all depends on the circumstances... if a high activity slot is scummy, you should create a massive discussion around it and potentially lynch it. You will get a relatively likely scum flip + a ton of info to work with. If noone really strikes anyone as super scummy, then lynching among the lurkers is a good idea.
This isn't. Never understood why people can't just scroll past things theory if they don't want to read it?In post 51, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:And now, can we start calling eachother scum so that we can have meaningful discussion, please? This debate about lynching and shooting basing on activity isn't alignment indicative, and we've basically killed RVS' significance here.
Not exactly original, but pretty understandable and acceptable.In post 217, 72offsuit wrote:
Good enough for me.In post 121, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.In post 50, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.
VOTE: Bell Choo choo!In post 218, 72offsuit wrote:
LOL, voted for the wrong player.In post 121, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.In post 50, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.
VOTE: MM Choo choo!
This confusion leads me to question what exactly Offsuit thought he was sheeping, and what his intent was when he did it. When you genuinely sheep a reasoning you find good, it's because you thought about it and really liked it... so uh, what is this? Not sure I like it.In post 219, 72offsuit wrote:I think I'm losing my marbles.
I did mean to vote for Bell.
VOTE: Bell
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72offsuit Mafia Scum
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This is actually really scummy.In post 419, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:
The temptation is too strong.In post 210, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Hear hear brother.In post 209, superbowl9 wrote:Anime pfps are rising in strength. Soon we will take over the universe
The time for revolution is neigh. Throw off the chains of the bourgeoisie anti-anime oppressors.Spoiler: video
Right. Good start from offsuit here.In post 215, 72offsuit wrote:
Nothing wrong with that post. Why wouldn't !townMM try to halt discussion that they think is filler and bloating the thread?In post 64, superbowl9 wrote:
This is the correct takeIn post 51, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:This all depends on the circumstances... if a high activity slot is scummy, you should create a massive discussion around it and potentially lynch it. You will get a relatively likely scum flip + a ton of info to work with. If noone really strikes anyone as super scummy, then lynching among the lurkers is a good idea.
This isn't. Never understood why people can't just scroll past things theory if they don't want to read it?In post 51, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:And now, can we start calling eachother scum so that we can have meaningful discussion, please? This debate about lynching and shooting basing on activity isn't alignment indicative, and we've basically killed RVS' significance here.
Not exactly original, but pretty understandable and acceptable.In post 217, 72offsuit wrote:
Good enough for me.In post 121, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.In post 50, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.
VOTE: Bell Choo choo!In post 218, 72offsuit wrote:
LOL, voted for the wrong player.In post 121, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
This reads like busywork to me. Fake attempt at looking like town doing things useful for town. Bell is my first scumread so far.In post 50, Marshmallow Marshall wrote:Are we really reading into the reasons for which people read other games when they were bored? That looks like a prototype of NAI thing to me.
VOTE: MM Choo choo!
This confusion leads me to question what exactly Offsuit thought he was sheeping, and what his intent was when he did it. When you genuinely sheep a reasoning you find good, it's because you thought about it and really liked it... so uh, what is this? Not sure I like it.In post 219, 72offsuit wrote:I think I'm losing my marbles.
I did mean to vote for Bell.
VOTE: Bell
Choo choo
Liked my previous stance on himself.
I do something that based on what he has posted, he should scumread me for, but instead concludes with a fence-sittish "so uh,what is this?Not sureI like it"-
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72offsuit Mafia Scum
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Nero Cain Survivor
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I have 99 problems but a glitch isn't one of them.
VOTE: glitchOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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Spoiler:Last edited by ManateeDude on Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.-
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NorwegianboyEE GLADiator
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How did you mess up your post on my mobile browser so badly.Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
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Marshmallow Marshall Goon
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'Twas probably made by capitalist scumbags anyway.In post 447, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How did you mess up your post on my mobile browser so badly.Norweegian:I'm changing your name to Marshal Zhukov after watching that video.
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