Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Galron]

Howdy galton!

Galton, please tell Galron I said howdy.

Hey Drew! Galton nudged me.

So what did Turkey do to you this time?

[Galron]

well howdy partner! This here's a right proper showdown between the mean ole boss hogg, and them there hazard boys what is always gettin into all sorts of trouble.

but theyre just having a good ole time, they aint mean no harm.

Hi pisskop!

Is this a Roscoe or an Enos ep?

[Galron]

Now I've matched Pine's body of work. I can take a break.

[Galron]

I don't know whether Alchemist's claim is true, but the only vote there I understand is DGB's after looking at some context. I don't see that with Icerint. I don't see a need to lynch Alch today anyway. There aren't enough votes, there isn't enough information and there isn't enough time. Alch claiming off the bat is weird, but whatever. That can be sorted.

[Galron]

Lavender not really participating, but I'm not getting a scummy vibe there.

Spoiler:

[Galron]

Does anyone believe Elsa's claim?

[Galron]

There's no point in voting an empty slot so...

VOTE: Lavender

E-4, idk how I feel about Iecerint, still looking decent to an ISO skim

yeah I still don't get Iecerint's later posts, especially the lead rist

I'm sorry... what?

VOTE: TemporalLich

[Galron]

I guess this is better than no lynch, but I really haven't had the time to get comfortable yet.

VOTE: Icerint

[Galron]

VOTE: Lavender

Let's make it interesting.

[Galron]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

[Galron]

Alchemist and Elsa need to report.

[Galron]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

I mean yes we lost some powerful town.
But yeah that doesn’t necessarily mean the other wagons were on scum.
Bingle and Almost50 could easily both be town as well.
I think the scum are the ones not receiving that much attention

Yes, Lavender really was a JK and their naivete appears to be genuine, but I don't know the efficacy there.

[Galron]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

Actually two town TPRs.

[Galron]

Well that's not a fine kill now is it?

That's what happens when you claim Cop. (But I don't see the Ninja part and I have no idea why he would claim Ninja when he is not)

I think you said yourself you lie as town more than scum, right? But, yes, I don't see the incentive here.

[Galron]

Also
@Mod: Nice PM. I've read it THRICE before I head to the thread, and still couldn't find the victim's name. I only found out it was Iec when I got here. Thanks for messing with my mind a little (I needed a little refreshment)

I was trying to figure out who Bedevian was.

[Galron]

Also
@Mod: Nice PM. I've read it THRICE before I head to the thread, and still couldn't find the victim's name. I only found out it was Iec when I got here. Thanks for messing with my mind a little (I needed a little refreshment)

I was trying to figure out who Bedevian was.

But I wasn't going to bring it up.

[Galron]

I kinda think they're both town, tbh.

I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel.

Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here.

Bingle's probably town although I don't like that wagon breaking down in favor of two town wagons.

Actually two town TPRs.

Hence why I said “powerful Town”

Took me a minute to realize it was concurrent PR wagons.

[Galron]

Looking at all of it though.
Chkflip seems to be the occurring main pusher on a wagon.
He is also my top scum read, PK nearing them in second place.
VOTE: Chkflip

I need to look at this I guess. I've been town leaning that slot. I thought votato was town and chkflip seemed towny too.

[Galron]

A big problem with the town slip was that it was unbelievable until the role card was exposed.

[Galron]

A big problem with the town slip was that it was unbelievable until the role card was exposed.

Oh hey I forgot. Thanks for painting yourself into only being able to claim vanilla. I appreciate that.

VOTE: Galron

Pedit: we just lost two PRs. That's not exactly shocking.

You think someone in this game who didn't know the actions of a jailkeeper was credible until you saw the rolecard didn't have the word jailkeeper?

[Galron]

Lavender's town slip was extremely believable but that doesn't do any good a few hours before deadline or whatever it was

Same to you. How was it extremely believable when he didn't even know what a jailkeeper was?

[Galron]

I’m asking the mod to be sure there’s no mod error but it looks like I didn’t get anything last Night.

Turns out the mod did forget to tell me. Iecerint used his ability on me so I do have that.

Kinda difficult to confirm.

[Galron]

VOTE: Alchemist

[Galron]

Let me reorder these though: You received the PM about the day start. You didn't receive any notifications about any 1-shot abilities gained. You PM'd the mod to verify he didn't forget. Now, why did you talk about it here before he responded? THAT is the starting question, because if you had waited you would not have had to announce you receive/didn't receive anything, so why did you do that knowing it would draw some negative flack your way, and you did it before you were even sure it is the case (and it turned out not to be the case)?

2 reasons:

1) I am acting with full transparency in this game.

2) I tend to assume no mod error before mod error so my belief at the time was that I was not targeted at all and I was incredibly annoyed. There was a more colorful way I was going to phrase that announcement but I didn’t want to be an ass just in case there was a mod error. And obviously I’m still a bit annoyed.

This truly does not sound credible. I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt yesterday, but so far today you just seem scummy.

[Galron]

Let me Target Alchemist again tonight.
If your a Town Roleblocker don’t Roleblock me.
If your a Scum Roleblocker, go find someone else to touch!

You know that you'll never get this many people to follow this. I don't know why you'd even try tbh. Unless you're just being facetious.

[Galron]

Also
@Mod: Nice PM. I've read it THRICE before I head to the thread, and still couldn't find the victim's name. I only found out it was Iec when I got here. Thanks for messing with my mind a little (I needed a little refreshment)

Weak reasoning, but one could make the argument that scum would not be that attentive to that detail since theyd know beforehand who the kill isnt, and might not be attentive to the fact that the name was ommited from the pm.

townpoints for a50?

I'd go the other way with it. Thus my response to him on this point.

[Galron]

Looking at all of it though.
Chkflip seems to be the occurring main pusher on a wagon.
He is also my top scum read, PK nearing them in second place.
VOTE: Chkflip

I need to look at this I guess. I've been town leaning that slot. I thought votato was town and chkflip seemed towny too.

What do you actually feel was towny in votato's play? Did you actually read all of the game? How come you have so little to report if you read the game in such detail level that you know how votato read? What happened to all the other detailed reads?

This reads fake.

God no I haven't read the whole game. I did speed through a few slots though.

[Galron]

Thanks for not saying what I gave you by the way. Keep it a secret.

Alch and Elsa talking about this may help.

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a RB, but why would they target Logic specifically? That he was blocked seems convenient. And my question isn't rhetorical. It seems there were a couple of people who said they were going to target Alch, but I can't remember who.

[Galron]

I was willing to give Alch a pass yesterday due to factors, but his entrance today reeked.

[Galron]

It occurred to me at the office today that I didn't answer a question someone asked -- I think vecna -- about what I had thought was towny about votato. Truth is I don't remember. What happened was when he was banned and I saw he was to be universally replaced I PMd Baker bc I had wanted to get in to this game but wasn't able to during signups or something. While I was waiting for Baker to get back with me I read the game. It wasn't that long at the point. I remember thinking at that time that votato was probably town. But that was something like three weeks ago, and I don't remember the whys behind that. When Baker told me someone had already taken the spot, I didn't give it another thought.

As far as chkflip goes, I've liked him since my rep in, and even though I don't personally subscribe to the playstyle of the last 10 or 20 pages as far as the uber-aggressiveness goes, I think it has generated some good content that I don't see scum pushing for. I don't see a scum!chk putting himself out there like that. I like the building front-line coalitions tactic in order to see what commonalities exist and what holes can be poked. I've come away with the impression that both chk and Logic are town.

TL I had misgivings about yesterday, and I think I voted him then. I felt a mild pockety vibe. I hadn't been in the game very long and he was town reading me. Today I feel kind of the same. He seems to be town reading some people for reasons I'm not sure of, but I've got to check that. I also need to read Bingle's case on him.

[Galron]

If you want a tldr of me piss I'm currently actively lurking but still have asserted I targeted Alch last night.

Speaking of which- Alch. Let's say for the sake of argument you didn't get my thing. But since your saying the Ninja cop targeted you...

Do you get the modifier attached to the shot or just a plain old Cop shot?

This is why my vote is where it is right now. The thing bet iec, Elsa, logic, and Alch is all screwy. Iec is conf Town, of course, and he can't confirm. That a RB would target Logic, who says he targeted Alch, seems convenient, but other than that I'm tr logic.elsa says he sent something to Alch, but Alch says he's trolling. Someone or someones is lying.

[Galron]

There's obviously no will to sort alchemy today. I don't know where to move to though at this point.

[Galron]

Anybody want a peanut?

[Galron]

I feel like an ass for having done that.

[Galron]

Still needs 4 votes for that to happen doesn't he?

[Galron]

Not exactly an imminent threat.

[Galron]

People DO wanna kill him. Hence the Vig shot. Duh.

If he's only bulletproof and someone elsa targets him he's fucked too. It's not like he claimed this thinking he'd get people to announce what they're targeting him with.

For example I'm lying about hitting him with a vig shot but he knows what I actually did instead.

I need context on this Day 1 post. Here you say you did something Day 1 Alch should know about and today you say you did something Night 1. Yet you say you're bored. This doesn't sound like a boring role. Ergo, I think you're just making stuff up. But are you doing it as town or as maf?
VOTE: elsa

[Galron]

1368 is where PK voted me so make of that what you will

That was yesterday. Here's the Day 2 vote: 2093. I assume that was unintentional.

[Galron]

Hmm... Elsa claims 1-shot vig. Thun claims even night vig.

[Galron]

Thun, the words right above your name on your role card, do they say "Hillbilly Vig"?

[Galron]

I have a feeling both Elsa and Thun are lying.

[Galron]

I can almost see the mod using "vigilante" just because I don't have the imagination to know what to replace it with. BUT I would think he'd make an effort to do so. Another BUT: Elsa's been a liar from the beginning and User digging up 1403 gives me pause. Otherwise my vote would be on Thun right now.

Here's where I am. The whole Alchemist, Elsa, Logic, Iecerint debacle is a CF, and there's no intent to sort it today. Whatever. I think letting it go another night is a mistake. With this Thun claim and the Elsa claim (Elsa says she still "gave" Alchemist something and Alchemist says she's trolling -- who's zooming who?) I want to fake kill Elsa because she's common to both situations. If not, she's just going to mess with us tomorrow, and everyone knows that something is going to happen with this 3P deal where something is going to go sideways and he won't be confirmed again. If we're not going to oust the alleged 3P then let's at least get rid of one of the components close to that situation and close to the Thun claim.

[Galron]

Considering I don't townread Elsa, finding out Elsa tried to gambit will just push Elsa down the lead rist

Your last reads list had Elsa next to last. How much further down will it take?

[Galron]

Considering I don't townread Elsa, finding out Elsa tried to gambit will just push Elsa down the lead rist

Your last reads list had Elsa next to last. How much further down will it take?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole

Ahh.. So we're aiming for Jules Verne then.

[Galron]

I can almost see the mod using "vigilante" just because I don't have the imagination to know what to replace it with.

The Equalizer would have worked fine (but I dunno about Denzel playing a Hillbilly)

That's a good one! Only saw the TV series though with that guy who was in the original Wicker Man.

[Galron]

then he said he'd be targeting Alch on N1 when Thun claims to be an EVEN NIGHT Vig.

Can't believe I missed this.

[Galron]

Also isn’t Thun 1 Vote away from hammer.
If so I’d like to say the following:
Anyone who Quick hammers Thun is scum claiming.

VOTE: thun

[Galron]

Count.

[Galron]

I still believe the Thun wagon is solely "Thun's claim is bad"...

That's not very good but Thun hasn't seemed towny to me maybe

So are you agreeing or disagreeing with the wagon?

[Galron]

I should've previewed. Chk was on it.

[Galron]

Are you really that ridiculously bad at counting? That's like the third time this week you've been miles off.

[Galron]

It's obvious EJ is scum... as is LogicalAlt.

Logical bussing Elsa?

[Galron]

I'm back here.

VOTE: Elsa

Spoiler:

[Galron]

VOTE: TLich

[Galron]

Just keep going in circles.

[Galron]

It makes sense for a bookie to earn a vig.

pedit: not a powerful role though

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

[Galron]

Sure it isn't a scum bookie?

[Galron]

EJ might be fakeclaiming tho

EJ already admitted that.

[Galron]

VOTE: TLich

[Galron]

In case it wasn’t hammer.
VOTE: TL[/vote{

VOTE: TL

[Galron]

Ok, I'll catch up in a bit.

However, if Thun killed chkflip, he'd be dead. Therefore, if Thun did indeed visit chkflip then he lied about being a vig. If Thun visited someone else or holstered then Logical is lying. I cannot see a world where both are true.

That’s not actually the case with chk. Chk’s role only applied to being voted out.

Chk expressly stated differently.

[Galron]

what I think happened:
-A50 targeted pisskop n1.
-The cookie got reflected back to A50
-Pisskop still got the msg someone tried to sent him a poisoned biscuit. He asks around, pretending hes talking about the 3p.
-A50 responds and lets him know he sent it and that hes gonna die from the cookie.
-scum realize a50 is their traitor. they all sent coded msgs to let A50 know the scumteam. I quoted em on the last page.

Why would the scum message A50 after he's claimed he's dead?

So he doesn't send them a biscuit.

[Galron]

Ok, I'll catch up in a bit.

However, if Thun killed chkflip, he'd be dead. Therefore, if Thun did indeed visit chkflip then he lied about being a vig. If Thun visited someone else or holstered then Logical is lying. I cannot see a world where both are true.

That’s not actually the case with chk. Chk’s role only applied to being voted out.

Chk expressly stated differently.

After reading the role card, you're right. Did chk just misunderstand?

[Galron]

Vanilly Hillbilly

If that's true, you were told that you have two things. What are they?

[Galron]

Vanilly Hillbilly

If that's true, you were told that you have two things. What are they?

It was specifically my daily vote, and my voice.

Legit.

[Galron]

My biggest concern here, actually, is that Froppy's flavor claim (shiny belt buckle) sounds exactly like the kind of flavor DEB would give a reflector.

Vecna, do you think this holds water?

Also, to all, why is no one voting Thun?

Bingle, I guess, or anyone I suppose, what's this about Froppy's name leading to an address? I'm a bit lost on that one. Like a street address or a URL or what? And how does that fit in with the other names that have been dropped?

[Galron]

Also, to all, why is no one voting Thun?

I'm not ready to end discussion for the day, everyone I'm considering voting is consensussy and thus likely to go through quickly, and there's an active influx of content so I'm not worried about stalling out the game.

I have no issue giving Titus a couple of IRL days to let her problems calm down.

What do you think about my take on your play? Is there any of my reads you disagree with? Agree with strongly? Independent thought?


As far as the username crumbing his flavor thing, he said something about googling his name coming up with an address, which seemed like a throwaway line Froppy wouldn't have seen or known about, but really all that tells us is that Froppy is using a mod provided flavorclaim or is trueclaiming flavor, both of which are potentially possible from scum.

Your initial reaction to the address thing seemed more certain that it led to some sort of address and thus was legitimate. What I was getting at was I did a search for the name, and I came up with a couple of businesses, but no address. I also did a search for my name and came up with a business but no address, so the address association doesn't tell me anything even if username said something about it. That's one of the reasons I asked if it was a URL perhaps. Unless you're pushing the address line for reactions rather than the truth of the matter asserted, which I can appreciate. But getting back to your reaction to the push on Froppy's claim, you seem to be coming around to believe that it's a fake claim, when your initial reaction was to believe it. I also think there may be something to your observation about the shiny belt buckle. And I do think there's a flaw in your logic with regard to Froppy not knowing what username would have said. If I were scum replacing into a game, I damn sure would go over my predecessor's ISO before answering a potential trap question.

As far as your take on my play, I'm at a "whatever' point. I don't understand why my claim is less believable than Froppy's. I think we have four VT claims now, Titus, Froppy, me and someone else claimed Day 1 using the Vanilly Hillbilly language -- maybe that was username -- I don't remember -- so if so that would be three. Regardless, other than my not posting as frequently or being as engaged as the four or five people who are, there's nothing to criticize me about. I thought chkflip did a fine job leading things yesterday, and vecna is doing just fine today, and as I followed chk's lead yesterday, I'm going to follow vecna's lead today.

Right now I still think DGB is probably more right than not regarding Alchemist, and I'd like the Elsa/Alchemist situation sorted. Both Elsa and Alchemist were scummy Day 1 and Day 2, Elsa a bit less so today, but one of them needs to flip. Every time I bring it up, someone shoots me down.

At this point I'm cautiously on board with vecna's theory. I'm kind of waiting to hear from thun, though, because that slot bugs me.

[Galron]

LogicalCaltist, did you ever get notified that you were roleblocked N1? What response did you get from the GM the night you tracked Alchemist?

“There were no results from the tracking.”

That doesn't read quite right.

[Galron]

LogicalCaltist, did you ever get notified that you were roleblocked N1? What response did you get from the GM the night you tracked Alchemist?

“There were no results from the tracking.”

That doesn't read quite right.

As a quote I mean.

[Galron]

VOTE: Froppy

E-1

[Galron]

UNVOTE:

[Galron]

Bingle, if A50 were the cause of chk's death, he'd have had to have given him the biscuit Night 1, not Night 2. The player given the biscuit doesn't die until the end of the night following the night it's received. So if the theory is that A50 gave the biscuit to a reflector Night 1, which makes sense, chk was killed by something else Night 2, likely scum. That takes out two of your reasons for voting Froppy I think. Is that right?

[Galron]

Vecna said something along the lines of Thun being a reflector who killed A50 doesn't add up because Logical said he tracked Thun on N2. There has been way too many speculation going on about the N2 killings and the only explanation I could think of those deaths would be mafia killed A50 and Chkflip was vig killed. Looking on the wagon and interaction on TL, Bingle, DGB, and Pooky look good and that leaves the others unknown which are Froppy, Vecna, Elsa, Logical, Galron, Titus and Alchemist.

Chk was a consensus TR I believe. No way he was a vig kill. A50, possibly, but not chk. And Logic being a tracker on Thin doesn't matter wrt A50 bc of the biscuit mechanic, unless I'm mistaken about how that worked. The only way it would come into play is if Logic saw a scum Thun kill A50. And that seems unlikely given that we don't have a guilty on Thun from Logic, and Logic is not obvTown as it is.

[Galron]

Bingle, if A50 were the cause of chk's death, he'd have had to have given him the biscuit Night 1, not Night 2. The player given the biscuit doesn't die until the end of the night following the night it's received. So if the theory is that A50 gave the biscuit to a reflector Night 1, which makes sense, chk was killed by something else Night 2, likely scum. That takes out two of your reasons for voting Froppy I think. Is that right?

What you're saying here is A50 gave the biscuit to a reflector on night 1 and died on night 2 and that's not how a reflector works. Visiting a reflector on the same night the player will die on the same night. Like for example if A50 visited a reflector on night 1 then he would have died on night 1.

My thinking is that the gift is reflected back, butt that doesn't change the nature of the gift.

[Galron]

And it appears A50 signalled Day 2 that he'd been cookied.

[Galron]

I forgot about the Logic tracker claim I guess. So you're saying A50 gave chk the biscuit N2 because no one else has claimed to have received it, right? And A50 didn't give a biscuit N1, else we would have had three deaths N2, or someone would have claimed to have received it D2?

If Thun vigged chk there's no reason for a town Adorable not to have already admitted that. Adorable should let us know the result of the visit to chk.

To answer your serious question, I'll paraphrase Felix Frankfurter and say don't discount those late to the party.

`to Bingle

[Galron]

LogicalCaltist, did you ever get notified that you were roleblocked N1? What response did you get from the GM the night you tracked Alchemist?

“There were no results from the tracking.”

I still think this is an awkward quote from the mod. So in that vein, it supports a scum!Logicalist. I can see a scum!Logic covering for a scum!Thun/Adorable. That "quote" just sticks out like a bee sting. And the Thun/Adorable transition was awkward. It certainly satisfies that Occam test.

It doesn't account for A50's death though, and that's where Vecna's theory makes sense. And I don't hear anyone claiming to have vigged him, unless chk did.

[Galron]

Correct. Dark Shadow was also acceptable. I will now not vote you and shall

VOTE: Logic

That's E-1 I think.

Sure about that?

[Galron]

VOTE: Adorable

[Galron]

I tracked Thun they visited Chkflip.

This is the reason for my vote on Adorable. Adorable, are you admitting that your slot vigged chkflip? Because that transition from Thun to you sure didn't look like it. And, again, Almost50 being a traitor and being the scum kill doesn't make any sense to me. I can't believe that the scum team wouldn't have picked up that he was the traitor.

And here we are with another night passed, and Elsa/Alchemist haven't given us anything and still aren't sorted.

[Galron]

I tracked Thun they visited Chkflip.

This is the reason for my vote on Adorable. Adorable, are you admitting that your slot vigged chkflip? Because that transition from Thun to you sure didn't look like it. And, again, Almost50 being a traitor and being the scum kill doesn't make any sense to me. I can't believe that the scum team wouldn't have picked up that he was the traitor.

And here we are with another night passed, and Elsa/Alchemist haven't given us anything and still aren't sorted.

[Galron]

Who should I shoot then?

I'm not reading 90 pages if I'm probably gonna be the lynch today.

Bingle, Logical or Temporal.

I beg your pardon.

Two out of three so far.

[Galron]

If A50 was the scum kill, the entire scum team would've known he was the kill. Why are you personalizing it? Why say "how would I know that A50 was crumbing traitor?"

[Galron]

If A50 was the scum kill, the entire scum team would've known he was the kill. Why are you personalizing it? Why say "how would I know that A50 was crumbing traitor?"

There were two kills on N2. Chkflip got vigged which means the A50 kill has to have been done by mafia. Do you expect me to believe Chkflip got vigged and got killed by mafia and how does that explain the A50 kill then?

Yes, I know there were two kills N2. You keep speaking about chk's death with distance. This post:

Vecna said something along the lines of Thun being a reflector who killed A50 doesn't add up because Logical said he tracked Thun on N2. There has been way too many speculation going on about the N2 killings and the only explanation I could think of those deaths would be mafia killed A50 and Chkflip was vig killed. Looking on the wagon and interaction on TL, Bingle, DGB, and Pooky look good and that leaves the others unknown which are Froppy, Vecna, Elsa, Logical, Galron, Titus and Alchemist.

does not read like someone who knows that their slot vigged chkflip, and you've made other, similar, posts. You keep saying that chk was vig killed rather than "Thun vigged chk" or "My slot vigged chk." Your entrance post reads as if "the only thing I can surmise is that chk was vigged and A50 was scum killed" as if you came to that conclusion, when you're now saying, I believe, that you know that chk was vigged as a fact because your slot performed that kill as a vig.

1) Why a town!Thun would vig chk, a widely town read player, bothers me. If it was just to confirm alignments, it was not a good play. We would have been better off with a town!Thun holstering;

2) Why does Logicalitstic cover for a town!Thun by saying "yeah I tracked Thun to chkflip?";

3) I do realize that if chk was vigged, then A50 must have been the scum kill, but I don't understand why that would be. A50 surely crumbed his role, and there were better candidates for scum to kill. Your saying that how can you expect me to pick up on A50's crumbs is suspicious. If you're not mafia, it's not even an issue so why say that? The reason I said he had to have been crumbing his role is to point out that he had to have wanted to identify himself to the scum team so they wouldn't kill him and, I would think, so they could maybe identify themselves to him so he didn't poison any of them. Why would you internalize that comment?

As it stands, whoever said that you're confirmable tonight is right I believe, so I guess we'll see.

UNVOTE: Adorable

[Galron]

2) Why does Logicalitstic cover for a town!Thun by saying "yeah I tracked Thun to chkflip?";

Why track the claimed vig?

Exactly.

[Galron]

And presumably the claimed vig can be confirmed tonight. But I think for that to happen, we have to give her a target.

[Galron]

Galron is pushing back against the two scums going against chkflip, that adds to his townie quotient.

As far as chkflip goes, I've liked him since my rep in, a

To be fair, I was TR Logicalistic in that post also:

As far as chkflip goes, I've liked him since my rep in, and even though I don't personally subscribe to the playstyle of the last 10 or 20 pages as far as the uber-aggressiveness goes, I think it has generated some good content that I don't see scum pushing for. I don't see a scum!chk putting himself out there like that. I like the building front-line coalitions tactic in order to see what commonalities exist and what holes can be poked. I've come away with the impression that both chk and Logic are town.

Although the next post I qualified that:

This is why my vote is where it is right now. The thing bet iec, Elsa, logic, and Alch is all screwy. Iec is conf Town, of course, and he can't confirm. That a RB would target Logic, who says he targeted Alch, seems convenient, but other than that I'm tr logic.elsa says he sent something to Alch, but Alch says he's trolling. Someone or someones is lying.

[Galron]

If you want a tldr of me piss I'm currently actively lurking but still have asserted I targeted Alch last night.

Speaking of which- Alch. Let's say for the sake of argument you didn't get my thing. But since your saying the Ninja cop targeted you...

Do you get the modifier attached to the shot or just a plain old Cop shot?

This is why my vote is where it is right now. The thing bet iec, Elsa, logic, and Alch is all screwy. Iec is conf Town, of course, and he can't confirm. That a RB would target Logic, who says he targeted Alch, seems convenient, but other than that I'm tr logic.elsa says he sent something to Alch, but Alch says he's trolling. Someone or someones is lying.

I stand behind 2116. We're still in the same position, and it's how many days later? Except Elsa has since confirmed that he was trolling, I believe, and Logic is confScum. And Elsa's been all over the map even in the last few pages, agreeing with DGB and me on Adorable then agreeing with Bingle on me. I want to sheep DGB here, but there's a couple of other things that need fleshing out too I think.

[Galron]

whats your plan for winning now, alch?

[Galron]

To be technical it's also possible we killed all the scum already and the only non-town wincon out there is Alchemist.

Not according to my wincon. If that's the case, then the Hillbillies have reached our wincon.

[Galron]

Do we have any players left who claimed a targeting role?

Adorable -- the even night vig.

[Galron]

It would've been appreciated if you had separated the days with a line but okay. Though seeing who wasn't on Logical is giving me more reason to get rid of Galron.

And Adorable. And Bingle. And Vecna. Amirite?

[Galron]

Solid.

[Galron]

DGB, why leave out the TLich execution?

[Galron]

Well, I'm curious as to why Titus isn't willing to go Alchemist today, and I know how IRL things can get in the way, so I"m willing to be patient. I"m also curious as to why Bingle is going so hard after me today. That comment about my voting record sucking was odd. I'd like to see that backed up. Vecna said a couple of things that I was thinking about Bingle, but I'm not all in on scum!Bingle. I"m looking at a pool of Alchemist, Adorable and Elsa. I've been looking for DGB's crumbs to Pooky, and I can't find them -- I'm not good at that sort of thing anyway.

Those are my disjointed thoughts at this time.

[Galron]

I'll pick up the game tomorrow, but I'm glad that popped up. I forgot about this:

Spoiler:

[Galron]

Spoiler: Representative Galron Votes

VOTE: Adorable

VOTE: Froppy

E-1

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TLich

UNVOTE:

VOTE: TLich

I'm back here.

VOTE: Elsa

Spoiler:

Also isn’t Thun 1 Vote away from hammer.
If so I’d like to say the following:
Anyone who Quick hammers Thun is scum claiming.

VOTE: thun

Note the pattern: Easy naked votes with little to no reasoning cast when the thread consensus is clear. Slinky unvotes at possibly the most scum beneficial times (he's got a particularly waffly unvote in light of TL's claim, and then a naked hammer when it became clear that TL was dying anyway). He came into the thread voting heavily suspected Adorable today with no reasoning, despite the way the EoD played out and the way Adorable can potentially selfconfirm. If you need further explanation of why these votes are bad, feel free to let me know, but I think they speak for themselves in the absence of having said anything in the first place.

[Galron]

The formatting on that post screws up my reply so here's a separate post.

I explained 3364 here:

I tracked Thun they visited Chkflip.

This is the reason for my vote on Adorable. Adorable, are you admitting that your slot vigged chkflip? Because that transition from Thun to you sure didn't look like it. And, again, Almost50 being a traitor and being the scum kill doesn't make any sense to me. I can't believe that the scum team wouldn't have picked up that he was the traitor.

And here we are with another night passed, and Elsa/Alchemist haven't given us anything and still aren't sorted.

3282 vote on Froppy was taking an E-2 wagon to E-1 to put pressure on it because I was scum reading that slot and was pretty certain there was a busser on it. I wanted to see if someone would pop loose, and someone did, Bingle, and I think you'll see that I unvoted right after Bingle did because I learned something I had thought. And, as I had said prior to that, I wanted Froppy to catch up.

Yes, 3288 is my unvote on Froppy that followed Bingle's unvote.

2961 I'm pretty sure was the hammer on TLich. That wagon I had taken to E-2, then he claimed Bookie either right before or right after I made that vote. After thinking about that claim (and he said he received a vig shot if correct), it made sense -- I had never heard of the Bookie role before -- that a Bookie would get paid off with a vig (nice little play on words by whomever dreamed that one up). While I was thinking about that, someone was pushing me to revote, DGB I think, and chkflp actually did take the wagon back to E-1, and I made the decision that it could very well be a scum Bookie, so I hammered.

2934 is where I unvoted my E-1 vote on TLich as described above.

2891 was the E-1 vote on TLich, and I explained in the very next post why I voted him:

Just keep going in circles.

And keep in mind the time lapse during the TLich votes -- we were trucking at a good clip -- I think just a couple of hours passed dicking around with TLich's claim.

2832 take a look at this context:

It's obvious EJ is scum... as is LogicalAlt.

It's obvious EJ is scum... as is LogicalAlt.

Logical bussing Elsa?

I'm back here.

VOTE: Elsa

Spoiler:

Why not?

I mean, why wouldn't scum bus?

Here's me thinking two posts before I unvoted TLich, as I noted above:

It makes sense for a bookie to earn a vig.

pedit: not a powerful role though

2506 was me making a point that Logicalisticist couldn't count. It wasn't the only time he pulled that either. I'm not sure if that was scum him doing it or IRL him doing it, but I thought it needed to be pointed out:

Also isn’t Thun 1 Vote away from hammer.
If so I’d like to say the following:
Anyone who Quick hammers Thun is scum claiming.

VOTE: thun

Count.

Also isn’t Thun 1 Vote away from hammer.
If so I’d like to say the following:
Anyone who Quick hammers Thun is scum claiming.

Not even close, bud.

Most of the wagon dissipated.

The wagon has not been easy all fucking phase.

Everything you're saying is absolute bullshit.

So Bingle, your points about my making easy naked votes when the thread consensus was clear and slinky unvotes at possibly the most scum beneficial times kinda don't hold up. The first hold up if you're not reading for context or for comprehension, I suppose. I don't know why you'd leave my posts surrounding my votes out. As far as the slinky unvotes at scum-beneficial moments, maybe take another shot at that one. I unvoted TLich like you said, but then I turned right around and hammered him. Are you saying my unvote on Froppy was beneficial to scum? I don't think that's what you're saying. If you want to argue about my vote on Adorable, I guess we can do that.

I'll take you up on this bit here:

"If you need further explanation of why these votes are bad, feel free to let me know, but I think they speak for themselves in the absence of having said anything in the first place."

Do you want to waste your time on that?

[Galron]

That one Bingle post is so borked. Everyone understands 3570 is just a quote of Bingle's post, right?

[Galron]

I guess this is better than no lynch, but I really haven't had the time to get comfortable yet.

VOTE: Icerint

VOTE: Lavender

Let's make it interesting.

VOTE: Gobble

VOTE: Lavender

Time's running out.

Galron and Elsa both have made votes that were not explained. These quotes above are examples and I'm asking here what made you guys vote these players since they were not explained. I see that you both have been hopping on wagons on day 1, day 2, and day 3.

I'm going to kind of defend Elsa here I guess without looking at the actual votes and say that this is lame. Day 1 of a large is a free for all. No one knows anything for sure except their own role. I'm pretty sure when I repped in we were under deadline pressure, and Iecerint and Lavender both were decent wagons, although wrong. I unvoted Iecerint to vote Lavender to tie them up if I recall correctly. Both wagons were wrong. That means, what, exactly?

[Galron]

I guess this is better than no lynch, but I really haven't had the time to get comfortable yet.

VOTE: Icerint

VOTE: Lavender

Let's make it interesting.

VOTE: Gobble

VOTE: Lavender

Time's running out.

Galron and Elsa both have made votes that were not explained. These quotes above are examples and I'm asking here what made you guys vote these players since they were not explained. I see that you both have been hopping on wagons on day 1, day 2, and day 3.

I'm going to kind of defend Elsa here I guess without looking at the actual votes and say that this is lame. Day 1 of a large is a free for all. No one knows anything for sure except their own role. I'm pretty sure when I repped in we were under deadline pressure, and Iecerint and Lavender both were decent wagons, although wrong. I unvoted Iecerint to vote Lavender to tie them up if I recall correctly. Both wagons were wrong. That means, what, exactly?

You said day 1 of a large is a free for all and I don't know what you mean by this.

Every Day 1 I'v ebeen in has been blind wagon after blind wagon with all of the townies feeling their way around and scum taking advantage of flailing town. Hitting scum with an execution is rare without a big slip.

[Galron]

Do you want to waste your time on that?

Pass. If someone who is not you asks, sure, but attempting to convince you that you're scum is a waste of time. Either you're scum, and you know I'm right, or you're town and you know I'm wrong. (Also, your post= tags are borked and go to the OP, JSYK.)

I will say for the benefit of the thread that the context of the votes IS something I took into account. For example, the TLich unvote/revote was:

TLich claims, Gal unvotes, DGB laughs at the claim, Pooky laughs at the claim, chk laughs at the claim, Gal hammers. That's pretty much the point. He hammered as soon as he saw the town response was "laugh at claim" and knew that TLich was a sinking ship.

Similarly the Froppy unvote.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Froppy

E-1

That's the opposite of letting someone catch up.

I read up to page 112 so far. On page 1 it says TL is red and I'm at the part where TL is being wagoned. I'm town reading Bingle since he is the one who made a case on TL and has been after this slot wanting it to get lynched. The Pooky and DGB confirming each other confused me and I didn't understand that part and it looks like Alchemist didn't get confirmed.

It's been so tempting to lolhammer

I think that it is almost poe so if this is the route people want to take then I think we should quit stalling.

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

What, in this sequence, caused you to learn something, Gal? Why did you put the fresh replacement at E-1 in the first place if you were hoping for a catchup?

3282 vote on Froppy was taking an E-2 wagon to E-1 to put pressure on it because I was scum reading that slot and was pretty certain there was a busser on it. I wanted to see if someone would pop loose, and someone did, Bingle, and I think you'll see that I unvoted right after Bingle did because I learned something I had thought. And, as I had said prior to that, I wanted Froppy to catch up.

Yes, 3288 is my unvote on Froppy that followed Bingle's unvote.

[Galron]

that means if we mislynch the game could be over after today

This is the type of little thing that makes me think Vecna is town, btw.

We have 9 alive. In order for a reasonable "We die tonight" scenario, there have to be at least 5 town deaths. If there can still be 5 town deaths after flipping 2 scum killing roles, this was never really a game. Scum Vecna is 100% aware of that, but the statement looks natural to me.


I'm also not opposed to the EJ wagon. It's probably slightly better mechanically

because

Adorable can't shoot there. My gut does say that Gal is the scum and EJ is town though, FWIW.

Your post was pretty convincing I must reckon.

What do you think of Vecna's response? I'm thinking Vecna's onto something.

[Galron]

Although I don't know that the Bingle is among the last scum(s). My pool is still Elsa, Alchemist and Adorable. But with everyone saying Adorable can confirm herself so we're not touching her, and leave Alchemist alone too, that narrows it down to Elsa.

Titus, why do you want to go Vecna?

[Galron]

Well it's the truth, especially when I'm offering to get shot by the Vigilante. Or did you forget that?

Why are you taking the Vig claim for granted though? What if it's not true?

[Galron]

Well if the Vig isn't true then he can't shoot me or he dies. That part seemed self explanatory.

I'm not talking about Adorable shooting you. I'm asking why you're taking the vig claim for granted.

[Galron]

Actually double checking my original PM I don’t think it was meant to be Town in the first place. The area box is labeled 3p but the wincon at the bottom was the Town wincon and I confirmed as a Hillbilly Absorber.

So it was more likely a mod error in my original role PM.

This makes me think Alchemist is not scum. After all that stuff we went through with Lavender post-flip with chkflip detailing how he knew Lavender town-told because of the rolecard label, this looks like a non-scum tell to me.

[Galron]

Actually double checking my original PM I don’t think it was meant to be Town in the first place. The area box is labeled 3p but the wincon at the bottom was the Town wincon and I confirmed as a Hillbilly Absorber.

So it was more likely a mod error in my original role PM.

This makes me think Alchemist is not scum. After all that stuff we went through with Lavender post-flip with chkflip detailing how he knew Lavender town-told because of the rolecard label, this looks like a non-scum tell to me.

This doesn't preclude any theory that his wincon is anti-town, of course.

[Galron]

I kinda want to vote Vecna even if there's a decent chance he is the townbeard. He defended both scum lynches and now he's all protesting as if pinned down.

I'd go Elsa but not Vecna at this point. The point about the 4-5 p massacre seems unlikely but valid. The best way to avoid that would be to remove either the claimed PGO or the claimed 3P. I really don't believe Elsa's claim anyway. It makes more sense for a PGO to claim early on than Day 4. The way it happened was severely anti-town.

[Galron]

What's the subject of your dissertation, Vecna?

[Galron]

I'm trying to say liminating the 3p will leave us in a worse position, we lose a potential townsider for no real gain in info, and I'm pretty sure scum A50 doesn't admit he's scum

pedit: If he's been defensive before as well, I can put Doctor Drew off the radar as my scumcase doesn't go any deeper than him scumslipping

ah, so NAI and should not be factoring into my read on him then...

well yeah, I was trying to have a good scumcase in D1 so we can get past D1 and I don't think eliminating the 3P is the best idea

give me a

scum

case on Alchemist then, don't just tell me he's 3p and I should vote him

Eliminating a trueclaiming alchemist is bad for the town info-wise

I really feel like you're looking like you're tunneling Alchemist, just because you're mechtown doesn't mean the possibility of Pooky being a fakeclaimer is off the table completely

I think someone may have already pulled these quotes, but as I was going through Drew's ISO, I got sidetracked and started reading TLich. This hard defense of Alchemist doesn't look good for Alch, although I maintain Alch has to be a 3P based on that rolecard post.

And my ISO dive of Drew resulted in confirming that Titus is town, but there was a point where I swore if Drew said he had been 3P in the last three Baker games again I was going to hunt him down.

[Galron]

I do Froppy over Vecna, but I'd rather go Elsa.

[Galron]

Spoiler:

Dear lord we had a mess after service yesterday. We had the crab boil and our weekly peewee wrestling match, then things got to stirring up.
We should have got this madwoman yesterday but god had other plans. We've been seeing an increase in diabetes ever since she opened up shop here in town.
She was poisoning our people with more than just obesity. Good ole Darell got taken out too.
We found him half eaten in one of his gator cages, so we don't have a true idea of what happened.
But in 20 years of of him owning that farm, he ain't never got bit before...
Let's get her most recent batch of biscuits to the lab and see if we can spot anybody who's already eaten them!

Spoiler: Almost50

3rd Party

Paula Deen

You are a

Poisonous Traitor.

Your biscuits are world famous.
Their buttery flakes can make a man weep.

Each night you may give someone one of your poisoned biscuits.
This player will die at the end of the following night in which they receive the biscuit.

After losing to Bobbly Flay in a Country Fried Steak competition, you kinda lost your marbles.
You started becoming obsessed with a certain family of

Rednecks.

Their victory, means your victory.

Spoiler:

Whooooweee, this is a nice town ain't it? We're gonna make it ours!
You are a Tracker.
You and your kin are here to take over Wiltwickee. Through acclamation and persistence this town will be yours.
These hillbillies don't know it yet, but you aren't JUST a bunch of Rednecks, you are THE bunch of rednecks.
They have no idea the strength you and your kin have to take over a town and make it yours.
Rosewood, Texas knows all too well the capabilities of your family.
(You and your kin always change your last names when you enter a new town)
If only those damn Sheriffs of Crockett hadn't found out y'all's plan.
Watch out for Paula, she followed you from the last town.
She can be helpful, but you never know what she's gonna do. She's butter crazed!

Anyway, you have your Trailer to talk about any plans you might have amongst yourselves.
You may conversate here at any time.
Each night, you can use your hunting skills to track another player.
If they have targeted someone in the same night, you will know who they targeted.

You have won the game whenever you and your kin's numbers equal the Hillibilly's, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Spoiler:

Whooooweee, this is a nice town ain't it? We're gonna make it ours!
You are a Bookie.
You and your kin are here to take over Wiltwickee. Through acclamation and persistence this town will be yours.
These hillbillies don't know it yet, but you aren't JUST a bunch of Rednecks, you are THE bunch of rednecks.
They have no idea the strength you and your kin have to take over a town and make it yours.
Rosewood, Texas knows all too well the capabilities of your family.
(You and your kin always change your last names when you enter a new town)
If only those damn Sheriffs of Crockett hadn't found out y'all's plan.
Watch out for Paula, she followed you from the last town.
She can be helpful, but you never know what she's gonna do. She's butter crazed!

Anyway, you have your Trailer to talk about any plans you might have amongst yourselves.
You may conversate here at any time.
Starting Night One, each night you must make a guess for who will be the next day's blast.
If you are correct, you and your kin will receive one additional nightkill. This must be used the night obtained, it cannot be saved for another night.

You have won the game whenever you and your kin's numbers equal the Hillibilly's, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Why would the color for both flipped scum reference one 3P (Paula) and not the other?

[Galron]

It's pretty apparent that everyone is just paranoid right now. I'll take a leap of faith I guess.

VOTE: Froppy

[Galron]

Where's the will to vote somewhere else? Who is leading other than Titus? What have we accomplished the last four days other than a stale VC? Are we happy with a no lynch? I'm thinking that we should be in control, but it doesn't feel like it.

[Galron]

I'm to the point where I'm ready to take another look at your Bingle argument if you want to drag that out again.

My main is Adorable, but she's "self-confirming." As I was going through the game a couple of days ago, I ran across a couple of posts where Bingle said no to Logicalisticlist unless it was specifically him and Thun/Adorable. But you guys don't want to touch that slot because of the "self-confirming" nature of it.

Elsa is my number two. Elsa has lied about his role and other things multiple times and now says he's a PGO, which, if true, should have been signaled early on or at least he should have tried to draw a NK. So I don't believe the PGO claim and wouldn't be surprised if he's somehow compatible with Alchemist.

Alch would be my number 3. For several reasons I think we've been over and I don't really have time to flesh out right now.

I don't know. I get the feeling that this game has been lost already. I feel super pessimistic at this point that we're going to make the right decision.

[Galron]

I ran across a couple of posts where Bingle said no to Logicalisticlist unless it was specifically him and Thun/Adorable.

Pics? Cause iirc the closest I got to this was saying that Thundorable def shot chk unless specifically LC/Thundorable team (which isn't an AI proof) and that I preferred LC/Thun if we aimed for information blasting early yesterday (in game day).

Yet LC was at the bottom of your readslist, and you were actively disagreeing with me over my solve?

I was actively disagreeing with you over the strength of the slip you'd found. Our PoE's have been roughly aligned since the beginning of the day.

You've talked me around on most of what I was townreading un for, and I admit it is entirely possible I was just wrong on the townread there. If you're asking for why I want Froppy right now, there's three factors:

The wagon on Froppy had better company.
If I'm wrong, we potentially get more information from LC if we leave him alive.
The LC wagon was both at E-2 without a filled playerlist and is suspicious AF.

I've been thinking quite a bit about A50, and I think it's completely reasonable that he would have given chk a biscuit N2. I doubt he would have ever targeted Alch/DGB/Pooky. He probably would not have targeted anyone who crumbed biscuit. I don't think he would have targeted me, both because as town I would have been a priority nightkill to him so he'd assume mainscum went after me and because as scum I would have been able to fool him. I blatantly don't agree with your reflector theory, but the more recent supposition of a scum rolecop matches the gamestate near perfectly, and explains how the signalling would have started handily. A scum rolecop also interacts favorably with Alch's claimed role, all of the flipped roles, and a mafia traitor who is unknown to both parties. A scum rolecop and a scum tracker doesn't really make sense, (they perform the same function) and LC is almost certainly a tracker unless he's scum with specifically Adorable.

In doing said pondering, I had a thought about LC, and I think he was targeted by the JK night 1. It makes sense, in a backwards sort of way. He was fairly town read, and I could see Lav thinking he might draw a scumkill. I could definitely see him being chosen to perform the scumkill if he was scum, since there was little suspicion about his slot at the time.

I unvoted to give Adorable a chance to weigh in, but I'm probably going to revote Froppy when that happens.

This is one of the posts I remember. I don't know if that was conditional or not. It doesn't read that way.

[Galron]

I'm to the point where I'm ready to take another look at your Bingle argument if you want to drag that out again.

My main is Adorable, but she's "self-confirming." As I was going through the game a couple of days ago, I ran across a couple of posts where Bingle said no to Logicalisticlist unless it was specifically him and Thun/Adorable. But you guys don't want to touch that slot because of the "self-confirming" nature of it.

Elsa is my number two. Elsa has lied about his role and other things multiple times and now says he's a PGO, which, if true, should have been signaled early on or at least he should have tried to draw a NK. So I don't believe the PGO claim and wouldn't be surprised if he's somehow compatible with Alchemist.

Alch would be my number 3. For several reasons I think we've been over and I don't really have time to flesh out right now.

I don't know. I get the feeling that this game has been lost already. I feel super pessimistic at this point that we're going to make the right decision.

Is this the reasoning why you are voting for me?

I'm voting to make noise. No one's done anything for days, and we need some movement.

[Galron]

Flailing*

Flailing is the word he corrected there.

[Galron]

DGB
Vecna
A50
chkflip
UN
Logic
Pooky
Drew
Pisskop
EJ
Galron
TLich

Roughly where I stand. The middle ground is shaky as hell, but I'd say everything chk and above is fairly solidly town and I'd be shocked if neither Galron nor TLich were scum.

I've been a scum read for more than a month. That's consistent anyway.

[Galron]

This is one of the posts I remember. I don't know if that was conditional or not. It doesn't read that way.

The statement I made already proved to be true, though?

Like, the statement was LC is {scum with adorable} or {a tracker}.

LC was provably a tracker. If LC had flipped nottracker scum, I would 1000% be going after adorable, because the risk LC would have had to take to guess adorableslot shot chk in order to claim it before hand would have been insane, but the either or statement is already fulfilled and thus useless.

It's like if I say I have mod information that either DGB is the last scum or TL was a bookie. The statement is true because TL was a bookie. It has absolutely no bearing on whether DGB is or is not scum. (She isn't, Titus.) Adorable is not scum because game balance and provable role. The dichotomy that LC either tracked that slot or was scum with that slot is useless, because LC tracked that slot is completely possible.

There wasn't much risk because as you said in 3296, Thun called his shot. And if Thun and Logic were scum together, there was no risk whatsoever. Thus my vote on Adorable at the beginning of this phase.

[Galron]

My main is Adorable, but she's "self-confirming." As I was going through the game a couple of days ago, I ran across a couple of posts where Bingle said no to Logicalisticlist unless it was specifically him and Thun/Adorable. But you guys don't want to touch that slot because of the "self-confirming" nature of it.

I don't get that "self-confirming" stuff.

Talk to Bingle about it. He's got it all figured out.

[Galron]

:

That's where it looks like it's headed, and with Elsa being everyone's first, second or third choice, I don't know what that means.

[Galron]

Check check 1 2

Speak.

[Galron]

None of that matters in the slightest though. LC was actually a tracker, and talking about hypotheticals where he wasn't is a waste of time.

If you want to know why I think LC tracked townThun, which is slightly less of a waste of time but still pretty time waste-y, that'd be because chk was obvtown in light of the TLich flip. Thun should never have shot there, and that he claimed he did proves to me that he wasn't paying attention to the thread at all. It doesn't change anything about the lack of town power if Adorable is scum or the fact that 2 kills confirms Adorable is town, which are the actually reasons to never eliminate there today.

I didn't ask, but since you put it out there, I don't follow. Connecting the dots, Logical tracked Thun because Thun said he was going to shoot chkflip? How does chk being obvtown play into that?

[Galron]

What would happen if A50 were to visit a PGO?

[Galron]

That makes more sense than Froppy.

VOTE: Alchemist

[Galron]

Spoiler:

Hm. Okay.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

It has been brought to my attention that I'm ignoring you. I wanted to hand wave it away as bullshit, but I know I can't because it's absolutely true. That one time you pocketed the fuck out of me, compounded by that one time we lost to Reck/Tripod scum give me mixed feelings about how to read you at all. So let's do this.

What are your reads?

What is your opinion of the gamestate?

Why are you only claiming Miller now instead of in post one?

How do you feel about the claims in this game?

Hm. Okay.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

It has been brought to my attention that I'm ignoring you. I wanted to hand wave it away as bullshit, but I know I can't because it's absolutely true. That one time you pocketed the fuck out of me, compounded by that one time we lost to Reck/Tripod scum give me mixed feelings about how to read you at all. So let's do this.

What are your reads?

What is your opinion of the gamestate?

Why are you only claiming Miller now instead of in post one?

How do you feel about the claims in this game?

My reads are jumbled at the moment. No solid foundation anyway I look at it.

The gamestate gives way for continuously shifting wagons more then I usually see, though I blame that more on the active players ass disagreeing where to go.

Well I specifically claimed a Gel that isn't helpful to town but I never even claimed to be an IC once. I let day 1 ride like normal. Contriversal claims like that are better day 2 IMO since then you at least have a basis of who did what.

Claims are interesting I guess. I'm paying more attention to those day 3 with more results tho.

My reads are jumbled at the moment. No solid foundation anyway I look at it.

Give me three reads you have.

The gamestate gives way for continuously shifting wagons more then I usually see, though I blame that more on the active players ass disagreeing where to go.

Where do you believe we should go? Why?

Well I specifically claimed a Gel that isn't helpful to town but I never even claimed to be an IC once. I let day 1 ride like normal. Contriversal claims like that are better day 2 IMO since then you at least have a basis of who did what.

Is Gel in the wiki? I've never heard of it.

Claims are interesting I guess. I'm paying more attention to those day 3 with more results tho.

D3 should be fun. At least more fun than whatever this is. But I mean in general, what do you think of them beyond a blanket "interesting"? Do you take them at face value? Do you believe all of them? And I do mean _all_ of them?

Gel is Goo. Alchemist is claiming Gold Goo. I'm a different type from him.

That still doesn't mean anything to me.

You're third party?

I just looked it up. Not necessarily 3p but that's interesting.

Why did you claim?

Gel is definitely a redneck thing. Can confirm.

Elsa I asked more questions please don't ignore me thanks.

I'm at work can't type much only pun

I just looked it up. Not necessarily 3p but that's interesting.

Why did you claim?

Titus asked nicely. That and me claiming now instead of x1 makes it go by faster. Don't like Galron revoting me.

Drives me nuts how easily Elsa squirmed out of not playing a town game.

[Galron]

Why are we so confident only one scum remains when the only wagon to get three votes is set up to ensure both Alch and Adorable get lynched rather than scum?

If there were 5 scum and two of them could kill in a 16 person then this was never a game to begin with.

Cozy.

[Galron]

Can we lynch Adorable now?

Or wait. I'm guessing Adorable shot Alch, right?

Alch?

[Galron]

So let's dream up conspiracy theories.

Scum roleblocker. But wait. Bingle's got it narrowed down to just one more scum. So multi-tasking scum roleblocker. Hmm... Nah.

[Galron]

Adorable is she.

[Galron]

Sorry for getting into correction mode.

[Galron]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

If you claim tomorrow to have fired at alch we'll still have to lynch you adorable

Im not doing the thing where we have the situation either you or alch can lie, which in both situations results in the worst town outcome.

A visible vigshot on who-the-fuck-ever, or you eat rope

Froppy, what do you think of this post?

[Galron]

I'd like to at least hear DEB's response to the multi-tasking question.

[Galron]

Vecna's vote before a response surprises me.

[Galron]

I haven't spent 20% of my pandemic life on this to blow it on a technicality.

[Galron]

VOTE: adorbs

Spoiler:

[Galron]

Loved the DT!

Pre in for next DEB.

[Galron]

What would happen if A50 were to visit a PGO?

I was trying to make sense of A50's death, but the answer given was wrong. I was thinking there was no way chk was vigged.

[Galron]

Essentially that's the reason Bingle and I were arguing about Logicalisticalist tracking Thun. Both of us knew it didn't make sense unless LC was covering for Thun, but Bingle wanted to hold off on lynching adorable and I didn't.