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[SirCakez]

VOTE: tris
You don't get to pick a side

[SirCakez]

why back off so fast?

[SirCakez]

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

Elaborate.

gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.

My tris vote is now serious
These posts are terrible

[SirCakez]

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

Elaborate.

gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.

My tris vote is now serious
These posts are terrible

no they aren't. why do you hate them?

I don't believe you were joking at all. Doesn't make sense tonally.

I had a hard time telling if Tris was serious or not. I think it was just RVS stuff though.

Want a pancake with your waffle?

[SirCakez]

Ok, NOW I feel like tris should be voted. ^^

VOTE: tris

yeah me too
VOTE: tris

mmm kind of gross though

[SirCakez]

Want a pancake with your waffle?

As long as they have syrup.

Kinda scummy response, not crazy on Alch

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side

Okay how tho

I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach

it's the posts you made.

Elaborate.

gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.

My tris vote is now serious
These posts are terrible

no they aren't. why do you hate them?

I don't believe you were joking at all. Doesn't make sense tonally.

i wasn't joking, but i wasn't serious.

mm hmmm ok

[SirCakez]

I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.

Good to see you are also thinking of tris as town (as I do). Can I interest you in voting Alch or where do you have your head at rn?

Talk to me about tris town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: alch
Better wagon

[SirCakez]

Talk to me about tris town

Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).

Also I don't think her play comes across like coming from a scum agenda. It feels like she genuinely doesn't care how she gets perceived by others and with her recent posts it looks more to me that there is an actual interest in figuring other players' stances out.

While it is to take with a grain of salt I also skimmed a few games after I looked into the game Mizzy linked and I thought it was noticeable that she was as scum more serious out of the gate while she is more loose as town. It's easy to manipulate, but with my overall impression I will just roll with the simple answer here.

I can buy this. Tris doubling down on her weirdness here as scum doesn't make sense.

Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.

The game I’m referencing: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422

Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.

VOTE: Iconeum

VOTE:

Starting a wagon on a player who is MIA nice

[SirCakez]

What do you think you are gonna get out of wagoning someone who is not here

[SirCakez]

My tris vote is now seriousThese posts are terrible

what's terrible about said posts?

it was super dissonant and felt like backpedaling
but I've progressed on that read now and no longer SR tris

^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?

I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on it
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn

which game was that?

i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays

i'm so ashamed...

I actually buy this, it felt odd that Ico was just totally absent, not lurking. Which is why Alch's wagon attempt sucked.

i don't wann vote tris anymore and

this is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad

Why is it bad?
You think it's likely for scum to lolhammer at this point of D1?
And even if they did, you think they'd get away with it?

This falls under a similar category with why I voted for tris earlier.
Over-explaining your reasonings and actions this early in the game pings me hard as scummy.

I'm gonna hop in on this and say that lolhammers definitely happen early D1 and not even necessarily scum, it can be just town not paying attention or troll town like NM. I've played games where town lolhammers town D1 and then gets elimmed d2 and then town is basically screwed. So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

[SirCakez]

pagetop!

[SirCakez]

But what kind of scum ploy would it be to just not post at game start? Eventually you'll have to anyways.
I didn't notice that Gamma post tbh

[SirCakez]

Yeah that's not great I agree Nero

[SirCakez]

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

[SirCakez]

Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good

[SirCakez]

Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting

Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good

Have any reads that don’t just look like parroting others?

You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero

So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.

Are we really keeping it this simple?

This early yeah

[SirCakez]

I really dislike that Gamma immediately attacked me when I said that I agreed with Nero's push on him

[SirCakez]

Alch has your Icon opinion changed now that he's here?

[SirCakez]

Which is why Alch's wagon attempt sucked.

I strongly disagree with this. Ico normally gets scum read so I could easily envision a scum Ico not wanting to post in fear that he gets scum read. He's (Alch) also correct when he says that Ico can react to his wagon when he gets back. I'm also sympathetic b/c town me has been pushed for voting a scummy inactive slot. No, he's actually taking initiative and that's + town. If anyone is scum here its Gamma who basically calls Ico scum in 159 but doesn't vote until Alch votes. Why is your focus on Alch but you are ignoring Gamma?

This
And some of your reasoning is a bit nitpicky but Gamma's reaction has been bad

[SirCakez]

I think part of what Im seeing from SC is a lack of actual towny drive. Like, when I agree wit JV someone as Town, I don’t just say “I agree with that” and leave it, I actually aim to develop the conversation with my own thoughts and analysis, seeking to expand the discussion with my own perspective. He’s not adding anything, he’s just stating reads, and the fact they’re reads others have expressed just make me trust it less.

This is just not true
I was a frontrunner on the tris and Alch wagons and my tris read has developed in convo with others

[SirCakez]

this kinda angsty angry post is sorta what I associate with newb town and remember of you. Hey I said it was silly.

on site for almost a year and a half, getting called newbtown... have we played together before?

i don't like how you have so much feeling in your posts but i guess it tags a little more as town than scum

What the hell does this mean

[SirCakez]

I do have one question, though
SirCakez, what do you make of how I’ve used my vote up to now?

Fine? It's sitting on ico which is whatever.

[SirCakez]

datisi do you

actually

think i'm scum, or do you just think i'm a good d1 kill

i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

which is fine, lynch how you please ladies and gents

What kind of hand wavey crap is this?
"People don't like my scummy and unhelpful playstyle and thus want to elim me"
Like no shit

[SirCakez]

datisi do you

actually

think i'm scum, or do you just think i'm a good d1 kill

i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

which is fine, lynch how you please ladies and gents

What kind of hand wavey crap is this?
"People don't like my scummy and unhelpful playstyle and thus want to elim me"
Like no shit

no comment on anything else I had to say? don't want to contribute anything else to the conversation, just

echo

what I said? (incorrectly)

If I didn't comment on your other stuff there's a reason, I obviously didn't have anything to say

[SirCakez]

i'm not liking this developing echo wagon

This is such a vague statement
Why don't you like it?

[SirCakez]

I do have one question, though
SirCakez, what do you make of how I’ve used my vote up to now?

Fine? It's sitting on ico which is whatever.

i'm confused by this answer. how has it been fine? i thought you liked nero's case.

Fine as in I don't see anything explicitly wrong with it but I also don't think it's good

[SirCakez]

I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

[SirCakez]

What are you expecting? I haven't written long dissections of stuff like that in ages.

[SirCakez]

datisi do you

actually

think i'm scum, or do you just think i'm a good d1 kill

i feel like my wagon is more based on the convenience of getting me out of the game than getting scum out of the game, i don't think i've been overwhelmingly scummy, moreso annoying and obnoxious to play with

which is fine, lynch how you please ladies and gents

What kind of hand wavey crap is this?
"People don't like my scummy and unhelpful playstyle and thus want to elim me"
Like no shit

no comment on anything else I had to say? don't want to contribute anything else to the conversation, just

echo

what I said? (incorrectly)

Yeah that’s exactly what SirCakez has been sounding like: an echo

You continue to provide no evidence of this

What are you expecting? I haven't written long dissections of stuff like that in ages.

I just thought since my voting is maybe comparable to how I voted in Cards of Destiny maybe you’d have input regarding that

I have erased that game from my memory I hated it
I also died there like a month IRL ago

[SirCakez]

cakez if

i

had something unique and interesting to say i'm sure you can come up with something
until then i'ma vibe
VOTE: sircakez

incoming: cakez saying, "omg i've been pushing you so hard all game and now you're voting me that's so scummy of you omg gfy"

This

I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

wow this is your first unique statement all game good shit brother man

No it’s not. I’m not in love with Cakez’ posts but saying he hasn’t said anything unique is just false.

yeah no shit it's called an exaggeration
doesn't take away from the fact that a fair amount of what he's said has been parroted from somebody else

backpedaling

[SirCakez]

i'm in class right now which is why i'm only doing some posts but fuck this class i basically took it last year i haven't learned jack shit in this class yet so

150 "followed" egix's 130, not to mention he says "better wagon" then at 225 he says "this wagon sucked"

he's still voting for alc though

165 is reassuring testa, granted it does change a little bit, the initial thought is brought forth by testa
the second part of 165 as well as 169 slightly echo tris's 164 but those he is part of the start of that, so I'll give that to him
not a very high-effort deduction, but that was a unique-ish thought nonetheless

the start of 225 is about his personal reads, so that's unique
same with the middle, his personal opinion (granted it's also other people's opinion on ico coming in late)
the last part I've been over already, he was not at all the first one to say lolhammer and l-1 = bad, see 213 and 216

231 is literally agreeing with nero

i understand he has said some unique things, but hyperbole is a wonderful thing
most of what he's said has been relatively similar to something that someone else has said, which makes me feel like he's afraid to give his own opinions bc scum man go brrrrrr

Do I really need to go through this? He contradicts himself like at every point.
Sure I've done some agreeing with other people but no more than anyone else. Gamma and you are trying to act like I'm just copy pasting other people's points all game and that's blatantly false.

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Gamma
I feel slightly more confident on this than Echo

Alch hasn't really gotten better but I've kinda moved past that for now.

[SirCakez]

As for my Ico vote being “unoriginal”, I may not have been to one to fire the first shot, but recall my point about building off what others have said with your own thoughts and opinions. I brought up the connection to the other game me and Iconeum were in. That’s a point that is uniquely mine.

I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure

wow this is your first unique statement all game good shit brother man

No it’s not. I’m not in love with Cakez’ posts but saying he hasn’t said anything unique is just false.

This may be true, but even then he still hasn’t said near as much that seems like “his” ideas as things that just seem to parrot others.

Who cares dude? You're just splitting hairs at this point to avoid admitting you were/are wrong.

At this point I almost feel like Echo is gonna get elimmed some point at this game no matter what because of playstyle.

[SirCakez]

I still think he might just be misunderstood town with a sorta obnoxious playstyle.

[SirCakez]

Like he reminds me of certain people I've played with who kinda aggravate people onto voting them without caring about the results.

I'm interested in the pool of players who nobody has really talked about all day like Mizzy, Testa, Which and UnaBombah.

[SirCakez]

Egix* not Which

[SirCakez]

Echo if you want to not die stop aggravating people and saying stuff like "it's ok if I get elimmed"

[SirCakez]

I'm interested in the pool of players who nobody has really talked about all day like Mizzy, Testa, Which and UnaBombah.

Sure. What interests you?

many things

[SirCakez]

if, gamma's not happening, what about VOTE: egix?

There are 2 days left. I don’t think a wagon that isn’t already a large one is going to happen. What makes you think Egix is more viable than Gamma?

Two days is definitely enough time to start a new wagon. If a few people switch usually it snowballs.

[SirCakez]

Can you gather all your catch-up in one post thanks

[SirCakez]

sircakes, for u ^

thanks buddy

I like the Skitter catchup, it's very against the grain of the thread (who else even SRs Nero?) and he didn't go for the easy Echo or Gamma vote. This doesn't mean I think he's right, but it doesn't seem like how a scum replacement enters. That said if Gamma or Echo flips scum I'd def reevaluate hard here.

if, gamma's not happening, what about VOTE: egix?

There are 2 days left. I don’t think a wagon that isn’t already a large one is going to happen. What makes you think Egix is more viable than Gamma?

Two days is definitely enough time to start a new wagon. If a few people switch usually it snowballs.

This post is... mehhh.
How would you feel if I actually got speedwagonned?

I'd be all for it, cuz you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks. And I haven't been crazy about any of your other content.

[SirCakez]

she* not he sorry Skitter!

[SirCakez]

I'd be all for it, cuz you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks. And I haven't been crazy about any of your other content.

What I didn't like about it was that it seemed like you were just giving advice rather than taking a stance of your own.

I mean yeah that's what I was doing
My stance is that I'm fine staying on Gamma

[SirCakez]

Also I haven't forgotten about Alch and his terrible Ico wagon
I'm always down to wagon there

[SirCakez]

alch/gamma have scum unless ico flips scum

i don't get the connection between alch/gamma and ico

(i'm apparently giving up on the long-posting, sorry cakes)

its ok you tried I appreciate it

VOTE: skitter

VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here

while this is, like, wrong, it's also a bonkers vote for scum to be making in this gamestate

(namely: he's currently the leading wagon. and is following his cw onto a vanity wagon that is extremely unlikely to get traction in the next (i think) 17 hours or whatever it is. survivalistic scum don't really make this vote)

oof. i think you're right. i noticed it earlier, but i didn't want to give up on my scumread, but it's actually a strong piece of evidence UNVOTE:

i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.

And yes, this happens. Trust me

I agree with this (inb4 someone calls this parroting)
It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped
Also I don't think Skitter is a totally pointless vote as there are some people SRing there apparently (Nero, Echo)

Una why are you catching up from the start of the game again? Seems pointless and maybe looking for towncred-y.
And why is Egix "harmless"?

Gamma should claim ASAP

[SirCakez]

I don't think the theory that Gamma not wanting to vote Echo is because Echo is a buddy holds water.
I think scum would be bussing in this situation.

[SirCakez]

sircakez, gamma isn't on E-1 anymore

ech is the one that should be claiming

what's your read on echo again?

I'd elim it for game progression and because he's probably gonna die no matter what eventually but I think he's probably just town with a wack playstyle

[SirCakez]

Also I don't think Skitter is a totally pointless vote as there are some people SRing there apparently (Nero, Echo)

I don't think she

has

to be scum but I think some of the stuff she's saying is silly and she's hardcore defending Gamma so if he ever flips scum Skitter does make sense as a scumbud. Her fence-sit on Alch is super bad though. And I didn't really like that she was being useless with her vote until called out on it. Though her defense is that she was catching up so meh...still seems kinda bad to me, idk.

In hindsight Datsi worries me a little b/c he apparently always wants to vote Skitter except the time she was scum. So maybe that could mean they are scum together.

I see. Idk I liked the tone and content of the catchup enough to overlook those things you pointed out.
Yeah a lot of my reads hinge on Gamma's flip.

[SirCakez]

It seems like Gamma just doesn't know where to go cuz his push on me flopped

Gamma's push on you seemed very fake. His reasons didn't make a lick of sense. As scum, he has to manufacture content and thats the vibe I got.

I know and agree, I'm still on him

alright peace out girl scouts
i'll see yall in my bah post
scum is {mizzy/whoever replaced him, sircakez, testarossa}
thank u and good night from a vt

you're not doing yourself ANY favors

[SirCakez]

VOTE: gamma
Back to this

[SirCakez]

lol ok

[SirCakez]

I still really think certain players (una, egix, testa) are being overlooked. I don't think it's as easy as (Alch, Gamma, Skitter).

[SirCakez]

i mean, prob but thats kinda how I feel.

una could be like lurk scum but I'm not scumreading testa and egix just seems there but I also don't feel like thats a great reason to scum read him. Any specific reasond or just kinda a general "all the scummy players might not be scum!"

Why are you guys voting without words?

I’ve been told I’m a man of few words.

But seriously, I think Cakez is scum because he keeps hedging on slots and making soft pushes. Remember early game when he started to push me and just dropped it for no apparent reason? He was kinda everywhere with echo; I remember him calling echo out for backpedaling but at the end of the day was voting Gamma anyway.

This is bs I mentioned at the end of yesterday that I'd wagon you at anytime and that hasn't changed. And I also stated that I'd elim Echo for progression but didn't actually think he was scum.

[SirCakez]

I still really think certain players (una, egix, testa) are being overlooked. I don't think it's as easy as (Alch, Gamma, Skitter).

Echo had Bomba locked in as town, so I wouldn't want to go there today.

Testa I'm kinda undecided on though. Some thoughts:

108 - I like that Testa goes more in-depth when questioning here - it's much more than a simple "why not?"

110 - If she already has an idea what Bomba is thinking, then why bother asking? This feels a bit forced.

127 - Scum probably wouldn't bother with questioning the TR here - Datisi's read seems unobtrusive (idk if that's the word I'm looking for) enough that scum could easily accept it silently.

397 - "[Echo's] take on his wagon (and votes) is imo spot on and I pretty much agree with both his reads on Alch and Nero." - Ehh my gut actually says this could have been a grab for towncred. Word choices used ring as kinda pockety.

Ehhhh Echo was elimmed and didn't seem very reliable so I'd take his reads with a grain of salt.
After your read-through what is your read on Testa?

[SirCakez]

mmmmk I see you Alch ignoring my rebuttal to your "push"

[SirCakez]

nka is wishy washy but w/e. How come I kill the guy that was only very lightly scumreading me as opposed to the girl thats tunneling me? (Skitter)

this is kind of a lame defense Nero. It's pretty obvious that you want to elim Skitter so ofc you wouldn't NK her.

[SirCakez]

well the push on me is lame. I mean, I didn't kill anyone last night but that's what I'm being accused of. I think asking the question "why do I kill Datisi over Skitter?" is a perfectly sound question. I could have certainly pushed Datisi and that would have been easier, no?

But I don't think anyone was interested in a Datisi elim? Some people did express interest in eliming Skitter yesterday though.

[SirCakez]

Why are you guys voting without words?

I’ve been told I’m a man of few words.

But seriously, I think Cakez is scum because he keeps hedging on slots and making soft pushes. Remember early game when he started to push me and just dropped it for no apparent reason? He was kinda everywhere with echo; I remember him calling echo out for backpedaling but at the end of the day was voting Gamma anyway.

This is bs I mentioned at the end of yesterday that I'd wagon you at anytime and that hasn't changed. And I also stated that I'd elim Echo for progression but didn't actually think he was scum.[/quote]
I was referring to this Alch

[SirCakez]

ah I fucked the quote oh well

[SirCakez]

I was referring to this Alch

So was I.

So you're just scum, ok

[SirCakez]

Nero Cain has come up with some good observations so far, and based on their reads I'd townbin them for now.
But regarding their tone and..."vibe"? There's something there that still makes me feel uneasy.

Can you elaborate on this?

[SirCakez]

Iconeum is likely town and we just have differing reads.

VOTE: una

hey look, you thought i was townie after i made those posts yesterday, but now you think i'm scum for it because it wasn't genuine according to you?

i'm edgy because it looks like you are trying to spin a narrative where datisi was scumreading/pushing me while they weren't

and on top of that you are now scumreading me for something you were townreading me on yesterday

Ico is right on this, Una is being dissonant and the push seems sorta faked. Even if he explained why later.

[SirCakez]

Nero Cain has come up with some good observations so far, and based on their reads I'd townbin them for now.
But regarding their tone and..."vibe"? There's something there that still makes me feel uneasy.

Can you elaborate on this?

Not sure if I can or even want to try.
But I have actually played quite a few games with Nero Cain, and I feel like this is a "different iteration " from what I've come to expect from him.
And I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just that it's different, and I think I haven't seen his scumgame yet so..

This is just so vague it's hard to understand what you're getting at
It sounds like a dressed up version of a "gut feeling"

Ico is right on this, Una is being dissonant and the push seems sorta faked. Even if he explained why later.

Your interpretation of a "push" is also a bit wonky.
I did not push for Iconeum, even if they reacted to my words as if I was.
I did not vote there, I do not intend to vote there today.
Where's this "push" I keep hearing about?

To be completely honest, I'd love to push for SirCakez anyway, so this might be the best spot for it yet!
VOTE: SirCakez

Spoiler:

Iconeum apparently tried to pull this weird agreement with me yesterday while I wasn't caught up to the point.
While I didn't townread them at that point, I didn't outright scumread them either.
But that "appeal" felt a little off to me. Could've been for goofs as well, but somehow I feel like they meant it.

Datisi felt like such an obv.town.
I'm sad he is dead.
Not sure if scum saw any PR-signs (I honestly didn't and I usually spot them very well), or if Datisi was on the right track at least temporarily D1.
Two quotes that resonate well with me are this one:

ok it's past midnihgt and i'm dead and i don't have anything intelligent to offer (i will get to that tomorrow i *promise*) however i wanna share the tinfoil cracktheory becaue i once again don't think i could sleep without sharing it this game day

i keep going between "this is dumb as shit" and "this is REALLY dumb as shit" in my head but whatever

please imagine the guy pointing at butterfly meme

Also there are only 2 scum but thats besides the point.

I'm clearly scum that slipped.

is this a traitor?

..and this one:

weren't you kinda sorta scumreading mizzy and now you're saying rhey were town
scumconeum confirmed ggez

Even with all the tinfoil and crackpots - I can def. see at least one scum being in Ico/skitter/Nero.

i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

+

Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

+

if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

..didn't feel genuine to me.
Might've been an attempt at pocketing/appeasing.

you realize that datisi was joking with the 543, right?

That's neither here nor there now.
If Datisi were to be around and confirm that to us, then sure, whatever.
But they did get killed N1, and there are always ~reasons~.

And your stance towards the mizzy/skitter -slot wasn't very consistent with that post tbh.

and on top of that you are now scumreading me for something you were townreading me on yesterday

Wait, what is that?
I thought I was being rather clear with my stance and intentions?
I do not think I've said once that I scumread you.
I grouped you in a trio where I think we have at least one scum - doesn't mean it's you within them.
You reacting this way is once again more suggestive to me than anything I've read or said so far..

Iconeum is likely town and we just have differing reads.

VOTE: una

hey look, you thought i was townie after i made those posts yesterday, but now you think i'm scum for it because it wasn't genuine according to you?

ALSO, this is just not true.
Even if my "midway catchup conclusion" had you as town at post 632, I wasn't obviously fully caught up to the game.
I made it clear I hadn't read the end-half of the game, and therefore hadn't read 629 - 631 when I called you town there.
Don't go twisting my words and intentions now...

these posts 'don't feel genuine to you'

which means scum, and not town, right?

Well, like said - these posts made me think you might not be as town as I had initially thought.
You were somewhere in the middle anyway, and those posts feeling ingenuine made me lean a little more towards the dark side during my catchup on the latter half of the game.

It's outright facetious to say you were not pushing Ico

[SirCakez]

It's outright facetious to say you were not pushing Ico

No, it would be accurate.
I was just throwing out all the things that Datisi had said that resonated with me.
And like I said, AND QUOTED, Datisi wasn't even putting Iconeum in his scumreads.
I also pointed out that Iconeums reaction to my quotes was pinging me harder than anything that I found in the "past".
And as a close 2nd came the posts where he was "buddying" me.
And even there, like I said, it might've just been a joke and I missed his intentions completely.

You can't say "it's weird that Datisi SRed Ico and was NKed, and some of Ico's posts ping me and some of his posts look like they might be buddying" and then claim that's not a push

[SirCakez]

Nero Cain has come up with some good observations so far, and based on their reads I'd townbin them for now.
But regarding their tone and..."vibe"? There's something there that still makes me feel uneasy.

Can you elaborate on this?

Not sure if I can or even want to try.
But I have actually played quite a few games with Nero Cain, and I feel like this is a "different iteration " from what I've come to expect from him.
And I don't know if it's necessarily a bad thing, but it's just that it's different, and I think I haven't seen his scumgame yet so..

This is just so vague it's hard to understand what you're getting at
It sounds like a dressed up version of a "gut feeling"

Ico is right on this, Una is being dissonant and the push seems sorta faked. Even if he explained why later.

Your interpretation of a "push" is also a bit wonky.
I did not push for Iconeum, even if they reacted to my words as if I was.
I did not vote there, I do not intend to vote there today.
Where's this "push" I keep hearing about?

To be completely honest, I'd love to push for SirCakez anyway, so this might be the best spot for it yet!
VOTE: SirCakez

Spoiler:

Iconeum apparently tried to pull this weird agreement with me yesterday while I wasn't caught up to the point.
While I didn't townread them at that point, I didn't outright scumread them either.
But that "appeal" felt a little off to me. Could've been for goofs as well, but somehow I feel like they meant it.

Datisi felt like such an obv.town.
I'm sad he is dead.
Not sure if scum saw any PR-signs (I honestly didn't and I usually spot them very well), or if Datisi was on the right track at least temporarily D1.
Two quotes that resonate well with me are this one:

ok it's past midnihgt and i'm dead and i don't have anything intelligent to offer (i will get to that tomorrow i *promise*) however i wanna share the tinfoil cracktheory becaue i once again don't think i could sleep without sharing it this game day

i keep going between "this is dumb as shit" and "this is REALLY dumb as shit" in my head but whatever

please imagine the guy pointing at butterfly meme

Also there are only 2 scum but thats besides the point.

I'm clearly scum that slipped.

is this a traitor?

..and this one:

weren't you kinda sorta scumreading mizzy and now you're saying rhey were town
scumconeum confirmed ggez

Even with all the tinfoil and crackpots - I can def. see at least one scum being in Ico/skitter/Nero.

i disagree with a ton of what Una is saying, yet i don't scumread him

like, i'm reading it and i think he believes what he's saying and it's genuine and all

+

Una, u think i'm town or do we need to go manno v dragon first?

+

if we agree that we just think the other has bad takes, but is generally townie, maybe we can find some truth in the middle here

if you think my bad takes are because they are fake... better put some gloves on

..didn't feel genuine to me.
Might've been an attempt at pocketing/appeasing.

you realize that datisi was joking with the 543, right?

That's neither here nor there now.
If Datisi were to be around and confirm that to us, then sure, whatever.
But they did get killed N1, and there are always ~reasons~.

And your stance towards the mizzy/skitter -slot wasn't very consistent with that post tbh.

and on top of that you are now scumreading me for something you were townreading me on yesterday

Wait, what is that?
I thought I was being rather clear with my stance and intentions?
I do not think I've said once that I scumread you.
I grouped you in a trio where I think we have at least one scum - doesn't mean it's you within them.
You reacting this way is once again more suggestive to me than anything I've read or said so far..

Iconeum is likely town and we just have differing reads.

VOTE: una

hey look, you thought i was townie after i made those posts yesterday, but now you think i'm scum for it because it wasn't genuine according to you?

ALSO, this is just not true.
Even if my "midway catchup conclusion" had you as town at post 632, I wasn't obviously fully caught up to the game.
I made it clear I hadn't read the end-half of the game, and therefore hadn't read 629 - 631 when I called you town there.
Don't go twisting my words and intentions now...

these posts 'don't feel genuine to you'

which means scum, and not town, right?

Well, like said - these posts made me think you might not be as town as I had initially thought.
You were somewhere in the middle anyway, and those posts feeling ingenuine made me lean a little more towards the dark side during my catchup on the latter half of the game.

It's outright facetious to say you were not pushing Ico

I'm just gonna go back to my quote wall here
The evidence speaks for itself
876 and 868 imply what you're denying - that you were suggesting Datisi was killed because of these Ico interactions.
And all the stuff where you're saying Ico's posts are "suggestive to me" and "you're not as town as I thought" - ok yeah you didn't outright say he was scum but it's blatantly implied
And you're just calling me scum because you know I'm right so you want to discredit me.

[SirCakez]

I can only vote one scum at a time, sorry

[SirCakez]

485 - I think I'm starting to get the parroting thing now - this post looks like a copycat of Icon's 465. Also, "still"? Usage of that word doesn't seem to make sense considering prior posts e.g. 445/446. UNLESS it was meant in the sense of "there's still a part of me that thinks that" but even that's a stretch

You are actually right about this it doesn't make sense. Basically at the time I made that post I thought I had posted earlier about being unsure about Echo but actually I never did, I just misremembered. But that wasn't a parrot, I had been thinking that for a bit.

[SirCakez]

Honestly I thought nobody noticed so I just let it slide.

[SirCakez]

"You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero"
"you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks."
"And you're just calling me scum because you know I'm right so you want to discredit me."

I'm seeing a pattern here.

What is that?

[SirCakez]

I am not liking Cakez in Una vs Cakez. Kind of feel he is making more out of it then it was, I don't think bringing up points that make you question your read on a slot in a direct conversation with said person is a push, especially if there is no serious intention of actually voting there. I am not really liking the wagon on him though, Una aside.

It's a disagreement in definition then. I really think that whole convo turned into splitting hairs but Una wouldn't just cede the point.

[SirCakez]

I'm in a neighbourhood with Alchemist and Una

Hmmm probably only one scum here

[SirCakez]

"You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero"
"you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks."
"And you're just calling me scum because you know I'm right so you want to discredit me."

I'm seeing a pattern here.

What is that?

It's that you seem to be showing a "You're rustled because I'm on to you" mentality which I would normally associate with scum trying to look like town that's trying to intimidate the scum (because town usually don't really do that).

Do you think I'm wrong? I personally find it incriminating that Gamma and Una started attacking me as soon as I pushed in them.

[SirCakez]

I'm in a neighbourhood with Alchemist and Una

Hmmm probably only one scum here

Umm.. How about MAX one scum in here.

These literally mean the same thing

[SirCakez]

"You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero"
"you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks."
"And you're just calling me scum because you know I'm right so you want to discredit me."

I'm seeing a pattern here.

What is that?

It's that you seem to be showing a "You're rustled because I'm on to you" mentality which I would normally associate with scum trying to look like town that's trying to intimidate the scum (because town usually don't really do that).

Do you think I'm wrong? I personally find it incriminating that Gamma and Una started attacking me as soon as I pushed in them.

I don't think I've pushed you much today just fyi

That post was referring to yesterday

VOTE: alchemist

[SirCakez]

Una what makes you think scum are pushing Alch for an easy ML? Because clearly it's not easy since the wagon isn't getting much traction.

[SirCakez]

Una what makes you think scum are pushing Alch for an easy ML? Because clearly it's not easy since the wagon isn't getting much traction.

I can already smell that lynch..
It's one of those things that just keeps building up from D1, and very often happens D2/D3 anyway.
Might be scum, or what my gut suggests to me. Dunno yet.

I mean if it's not Alch then its you or NM... (assuming no setup BS with a 3P town hood)
Are you thinking it's NM here?

[SirCakez]

(assuming no setup BS with a 3P town hood)

explain to me, how that would be bs????

no, it's not like i think it's likely. but, sircakez is even claiming that it can't be all town.

BECAUSE ITS UNLIKELY AS HELL

Nah. Cakez sus.

ALCH SUS AS HELL ELIM HIM TOMORROW

[SirCakez]

I cannot believe you idiots hammered me I was a PR
Town Personal Watcher like a watcher but I can't see the mafia factional kill
N1 nobody visited Nero

[SirCakez]

And ftr I was posting elsewhere but not here because I posted at other game first then came here but a friend who I was very excited to hang out with arrived while I was reading up here and I didn't get to come back for a while

This shit is why I stopped playing mafia for a while

[SirCakez]

I'm pretty much ready to put NM on my personal blacklist

[SirCakez]

(Una, Alch, NM) definitely one scum here
(Gamma, Testa, Egix) prob at least one more scum if not two here

[SirCakez]

Uggghhh, I figure because of weekend there is hardly anyone around here?

I am probably at Alch > NM > Cakez.

I hate that Cakez wagon, even although I am townreading tris, it's almost the same as the Echo wagon. I just accept that Alch is at this point a lost cause and he will get away again with low effort. NM wagon isn't looking to go through either, because he is even selfvoting and I doubt he will see his own exe through.

Nonetheless
VOTE: Not_Mafia

I am going to sleep in 1-2 hours, if there is no one else willing to go for NM I will put Cakez at E-1 as the next time I can be around is literally minutes before deadline.

Both Cakez and NM were posting elsewhere recently...

Can't hold out any longer. Sorry if you are town, Cakez.

VOTE: SirCakez

E-1

Fucking terrible progression

[SirCakez]

I hope town can pull this out but honestly we don't deserve it

[SirCakez]

They didn't even bother trying to convince people of other wagon and also acknowledged they could be around before deadline so why not stay on NM and see if wagon shifts rather then elim a TR
Makes no sense

[SirCakez]

Actually Testa didn't say they TRed me but they did indicate they SRed me less than Alch or NM
So close to what I meant

[SirCakez]

What a wack setup

[SirCakez]

This game frustrated me a lot but I feel a bit better knowing all three scum were on my wagon