Open 792: Masons and Monks GAME OVER

[Joey_]

Obv being obv town, will read later in the day after all my classes

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

I thought there would be more discussion of A50's post and my reply.

Im in pause

Aan you gimme a heads up on the game in an objective way? What about the monkey's post?

[Joey_]

Wah gwaan. Me ago no contribute today regretfully. Peace out.

Cmon monkeyboi, I wanted to exchange with you later on

[Joey_]

I kinda want someone to give me objective infos and talk to me before I catch up

[Joey_]

VOTE: xayah
Seems no one will bite on A50

Why me?

[Joey_]

I kinda want someone to give me objective infos and talk to me before I catch up

Not a lot of objective info available IMO.
Today we've had Elements run up almost to elimination and a VT claim from him.
Your predecessor was very unproductive compared to my concept of normal for her main, but that's subjective.
We can do VCA and color in the flips green.
Almost50 wants to do on/off wagon split, I've forgotten if he favors eliminating on or off. I'm skeptical that it's more AI than random.
Are you familiar with the setup?

Haven't looked at anything yet, title makes me assumes theres masons and monks lole

[Joey_]

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

you guys actually lynched that lmao

[Joey_]

this is multiball?

[Joey_]

woops wrong notty i was confused

VOTE: notmafia (swrious vote)

Glad to see you’re town

I’m on the wagon with you in spirit

Whyd you assume them not voting you is town? Its wrong in and out by itself, it's even worse in a multiball

[Joey_]

Worry worry not cause I'm with you

Tbh this is going to sound dumb.
But I have pretty deep meta on how MariaR enters games and I think she is town here.

TIL i was mariar

[Joey_]

I was gonna joke vote Almost50 for their vig claim but nah.

It's not a vig claim, it's a night kill claim regardless of the flavor his claim used. I dislike the lack of reasoning that this might be a meanie signaling the other meanies to fuck off

[Joey_]

please dont catch up like that

Oh fuck yea I will

[Joey_]

In fact I think they put

too

much effort into analyzing it... I'm suspicious

it's not, imo it was genuine regardless of alignement

[Joey_]

Pre page 5

Haya is my spirit animal
Cakes/Dave looks t

[Joey_]

Page 6 dundun might be t

[Joey_]

So am I not allowed to criticize lane wagons?

lane isn't even in this game (and hasn't been on MS for almost 2 years now), so he could not have been responsible for the wagon on Hayasaka

i love you

[Joey_]

Dunnstral, AGar, SirCakez, Elements, dramonic
Historically hard for me to read, need to reread other than knowing the posting schedule is intermittent, very weak town, weak scum, insufficient data null.

In a 2v2 multiball game I would think at most 2 scum from different teams, and just one scum is more likely. Really cautious scum might not be on there at all.

Can you further expand on the last line ? I am aware it was very early in the game tho but I dont understand how you went there

[Joey_]

@A50 I’m still waiting for the data to back up your statistics.

I can't provide any links. Try searching for "why is X being wagoned" or "why is there a wagon on X" and tell me what you find (hint: Search will only recognize the words "wagom/wagoned" as valis search items and will return each and every occurrence of the word in a thread which does not help. It's not like I'm searching for the word "notsience")

But what is your point? I failed to provide evidence so the jury should acquit you? Fine. I am the DA in that case though and I still say you are scum for it. If the day should end before new evidence is presented you will be free to go.

It’s the job of the accuser to do the research. My point is baseless claims are good ways for scum to hide behind unless called out upon. This “you go find it you’re still scum” doesn’t show town trying to divine my alignment.

VOTE: almost50

UNVOTE:

Just realized scum actually have to scum hunt this game.

So that basis is off.

Wagon on me is ass but I digress

Don’t care, I was pushing someone on the context they weren’t trying to divine my sign meant, took the browns to the super bowl and changed my mind on reflection.

Pre 10 malakitty looks like a dirty mefias/wolfie

[Joey_]

Oups. Quoted posts were initially a thought process I was savagely destroying until I realized I was wrong

[Joey_]

Don’t care, I was pushing someone on the context they weren’t trying to divine my sign meant, took the browns to the super bowl and changed my mind on reflection.

Pre 10 malakitty looks like a dirty mefias/wolfie[/quote]


Not funny when I say that and everyone IT starts voting them

[Joey_]

Updated page 12 reads;

A50/Elements/Dave looks town

[Joey_]

A50 town.

Mariar is good as always

[Joey_]

p 14

Bulge t
Inv replace in was textbook scum

[Joey_]

Honestly page 4 makes me think Dave v hay are town or at least ate differnt alignments

Had the same exact read

[Joey_]

IV is leaning town. Didn't love Haya but IV's entrance and follow up has been very much what I would expect from town.

Hard disagree

[Joey_]

Just because people could be LHF doesn't mean they can't get a scum role PM. How are people reading notsci? If this was single ball I'd be TRing them rn

Same

[Joey_]

Mala's apathy is always NAI because she's always swamped so you need to read her off of what is there

What I've read is not apathy, but a consistent effort to come in here and tell us how busy she is while still being cognizant of what's going on (294 is awareness of how far out deadline is and the tonal shift to more aggressive moves from other players. 425 shows awareness of IV's reads and the subsequent discussion about his peculiar Haya statement.) Someone can be busy and still choose to not fully engage when they do appear.

this is probably aGar first decent post

[Joey_]

hoot hoot should be town, idk his meta tho

[Joey_]

(1)

Iirc I claimed scum, so why do you have me as Null??

Coz you claimed something

VS

Here is why A50 is scum:
Claims to be scum in the first post. .....
...
Claims scum again in 136

Which is it?? Cuz you can't have both stances.

(2)

Starts scum reading IV for being IV.

This is not true. I only asked SC to explain what he sees as "town shit" IV has done. Doesn't relate to my read on IV much but has everything to do with my ongoing duel with SC.

(3)

That would make N_M the seventh scum to be caught on D1. WELL DONE, Town.

congratulating the town. unconscious distancing. not including himself is the town group. -> scum

VS

VOTE: dave

Weird time to be voting dave tbh

A50/dave pairing!

Again, which is it? Am I distancing from N_M or am I scum with dave? You still can't have both stances here.

Furthermore, you were voting dave, then you switched to SC, and then decided to switch your vote to me. How do you vote SC (with me) then decide to vote me (with SC) within 75 minutes and 2 posts a[art (yours and mine)??

completely unrelated, but how do you put images into posts?

You don't. They appear automatically when they system senses sincerity, which is clearly lacking in your posts.

VOTE: Elements

OMGUS + opportunistically voting LHF and all that lovely stuff.

Your turn

p 27 monkey's vote on element is bad

The exchange favors the toadpool imo

[Joey_]

(1)

Iirc I claimed scum, so why do you have me as Null??

Coz you claimed something

VS

Here is why A50 is scum:
Claims to be scum in the first post. .....
...
Claims scum again in 136

Which is it?? Cuz you can't have both stances.


I townread elements but purely on meta ground, elements should be scum from listed games

(2)

Starts scum reading IV for being IV.

This is not true. I only asked SC to explain what he sees as "town shit" IV has done. Doesn't relate to my read on IV much but has everything to do with my ongoing duel with SC.

(3)

That would make N_M the seventh scum to be caught on D1. WELL DONE, Town.

congratulating the town. unconscious distancing. not including himself is the town group. -> scum

VS

VOTE: dave

Weird time to be voting dave tbh

A50/dave pairing!

Again, which is it? Am I distancing from N_M or am I scum with dave? You still can't have both stances here.

Furthermore, you were voting dave, then you switched to SC, and then decided to switch your vote to me. How do you vote SC (with me) then decide to vote me (with SC) within 75 minutes and 2 posts a[art (yours and mine)??

completely unrelated, but how do you put images into posts?

You don't. They appear automatically when they system senses sincerity, which is clearly lacking in your posts.

VOTE: Elements

OMGUS + opportunistically voting LHF and all that lovely stuff.

Your turn

How does anyone not see Dave screaming scum here is beyond me.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary in his play. I hard TR'd him in Gay Mafia and I defended him all game long, and I was right.

Now come join me on Elements because THAT is a Scum slot. This isn't even like LHF TOWN!him. This is him OVERLY scumming it up.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82957 is how Town!Elements looks like.
THIS is how Town!Elements looks like.

ALSO he was town in Gay Mafia (and was modkilled on D1)

You want a scum game? THIS is the only one I know of.

I honestly can't express how it feels in proper phrasing. I just feel it in my bones that this is NOT his town game (can't even claim I feel similar to when he was scum cuz I was scum with him in that game)

[Joey_]

Btw I suck at formatting posts so youll have to bear with me

[Joey_]

How does anyone not see Dave screaming scum here is beyond me.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary in his play. I hard TR'd him in Gay Mafia and I defended him all game long, and I was right.

Now come join me on Elements because THAT is a Scum slot. This isn't even like LHF TOWN!him. This is him OVERLY scumming it up.


viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82957 is how Town!Elements looks like.
THIS is how Town!Elements looks like.

ALSO he was town in Gay Mafia (and was modkilled on D1)

You want a scum game? THIS is the only one I know of.

I honestly can't express how it feels in proper phrasing. I just feel it in my bones that this is NOT his town game (can't even claim I feel similar to when he was scum cuz I was scum with him in that game)

I townread elements but purely on meta grounds, elements should be scum from listed games*

Please disregard 1001

[Joey_]

Night 1 ends

With the light coming up after a slightly longer night than expected, Not_Mafia already sent down the mountain, the town finds that InnocentVillager is not answering his door, checking inside, it's abandoned but it seems his departure was not willing, as all his clothes remain and his car has not moved. He was a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Much the same happened when they noticed that notscience didn't open his not-lab as he usually did, instead, leaving it closed for good. He was a

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Day 2 now begins

Votecount 2.00

Not Voting (10):

Almost50, AGar, Malakittens, dramonic, The Bulge, SirCakez, Elements, Xayah, davesaz, Dunnstral

With 10 in residence, it takes 6 votes to send someone down the mountain.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-16 16:50:00)

@Brass could you update the 1st post

[Joey_]

this is multiball?

A little too on the nose

Never played this setup, didn't know multiball were something (?) in a not-large game, i replaced via the queue reading my obv town pred iso

[Joey_]

Once i finished my catch up i will obv stfu

[Joey_]

Page 36

D2 dundun looks like a dirty mefias

[Joey_]

Dunnstral, AGar, SirCakez, Elements, dramonic
Historically hard for me to read, need to reread other than knowing the posting schedule is intermittent, very weak town, weak scum, insufficient data null.

In a 2v2 multiball game I would think at most 2 scum from different teams, and just one scum is more likely. Really cautious scum might not be on there at all.

Can you further expand on the last line ? I am aware it was very early in the game tho but I dont understand how you went there

The question I was answering was about 5 people on an early game wagon.
The last line unpacks to not thinking that 2 scum on the same team would be on the same 5 player wagon just 3 pages into the game. Further it's possible that no scum at all were on that wagon at that point in the game.
As for why I'd think that -- just my expectations of what scum behavior would be, nothing more.

So you were exhaustive in the possibilities, almost monologuing to yourself? You basically take a non-stance in that line

[Joey_]

Guess I’ll have a lot to read when I get off work tmrw

its mostly fluff and helping me remembers important takes when i catch up

[Joey_]

I caught up, thoughts, not really a readlist in order but it is what it is. My med wore off so my thoughts are a bit foggy;

Not an easy game, normally by the end of d1 I have half the town locked. I am not very experienced in reading for mefias in a multilball setup, especially considering there's 4/9 scum left with up to 4 diff prs and I tend to scumread prs so meh. I think consistency is a trait not affected by multiball so

a50/dave have been consistently making content and been good-okay tone wise.

a50

historically, I have been scumreading/null reading them until they townclaim via one liners or t tells, never met his s game. It started out like that, his pacing is different than what I am used to but by page 12 he was pretty blatant town and never went down. Many of his takes are just too town poving hard and would not see scum faking them in quantity nor quality

dave

i remembered him as a stronger t player, never met his s game. Some of his early posting screamed town, some of his later cases were extremely weak and I expected better. He's been the most consistent throughout the game, he should be town. a50's listed dave's games, meh. I think he sounds much more confident in some of those games, idk tho, tone is consistent. I also respect my pred's read on them who implied hard town. Early interactions with Haya spewed town imo or diff alignement/team. His stuff about IRL issues was genuine as hell imo

Element

, oh well. Taking only this game into consideration, I would call him lynchbait town. There's a lack of agenda, he votes everywhere. I had mirror reads with some of his rxns, namely when he reacted to NS's unvote I quoted earlier or has just str8 up t posts, hard to fake as mefia. He showed town pov in numerous occasions when he wasn't prompted and in creative ways; like when he claims he should actually be left alive in this game in 5way just scum can kill each other off. It's not a strong read or anything but it doesn't make any sens as a thought process (even tho it's survivalistic), I just hardly see scum thinking about shit like this at all yet posting it.
Taking the listed game; from activity and tone, element is extremely different in this game. Id still call him town, would flip elsewhere and need to dive more his other games.

aGar

Early content sucked ass, started having better/great posts later on. I dislike his tone overall, might not be AI. Content wise, I am mixed. I think his wagon stuff was genuine thought process but it has less value in a multiball. Would probably townread them in singleball

SirCakez/Bulge

; Similar vibes on them, both has a few great posts but not very consistently so, never played with either
SC was great tonewise early one, his content never matched his confidence tho. He looks worse in 2nd half of the game
Bulge; Seems okay, some great one-liners, would need to reread iso

malakittens

Distinct lack of actual genuine content or unique thought process, barely anything but reaction posts. Has mentioned numerous times she was busy IRL about paramedic stuff, implying it was the reason for her lack of investment. The thing is, once it was finished, there was no difference in behavior. Notscience pointed out many times how she wasn't reacting in her expected town way, how she let her away with scum-reading her (and IV agreed, both died). IIRC, mala hasn't really engaged that fos from NS too much, not in a confrontantional way anyways (I might be wrong)
IMO, when I am town and someone is trying to use my own behaviour as an argument in a case, It annoys me and I feel like I had to prove them wrong, regardless of their alignement because It's my duty to not be scumread on objective grounds. Idk, feels like the kitten is coasting her scumread status and trying to milk the most out of this game. That being said, some of her one liners are great af lole, idk. Prob a mefia

Dramonic

Extremely hostile early game with great tone to booth and was very consistent. Has been coasting the game pretty hard for the 2nd half of the game iirc which is unlike what I would expect from someone that is hostile/agressive and opinionated. Never played with them. Prob a mefia

Dunstrall

Played a few times with them, they were always town and an open book pre page 5 read for me. I even saw his interactions as town with mariar within numerous game (at least 5+) when here was always town but Mariar wasn't always. IMO this is not town D'un so far, hes absolutely extremely underwhelming and that is considering that I know what his meta of non-engagement is. He just hasn't posted a single piece of content that makes me believes hes town past my page 5 read or so. Even his interaction with my slot (Mariar) is atypical at best and dodgy at worse. I think hes a mefia

[Joey_]

VOTE: dundun

[Joey_]

I'm in the mood for writing a poem, so here goes...

This one is dedicated to my dear friend; Elements:

Mafia are Red
Werewolves are Blue
And if there's anything I'm certain of
I wanna rope you hoooooooooooooooooo

Here I go;

There is still 4 meanies..
3 outside that poor toadpool
Pls throw me a brownie..
Start by the rest of your pool

[Joey_]

I'm in the mood for writing a poem, so here goes...

This one is dedicated to my dear friend; Elements:

Mafia are Red
Werewolves are Blue
And if there's anything I'm certain of
I wanna rope you hoooooooooooooooooo

Here I go;

There is still 4 meanies..
3 outside that poor toadpool
Pls throw me a brownie..
Start by the rest of your pool

Inb4 I slipped by saying 3 outside the toadpool. I couldn't for the life of my jam ''at worst'' in my beautiful poem

[Joey_]

Even his interaction with my slot (Mariar) is atypical at best and dodgy at worse.

I'm not the slot being dodgy in interactions between the two of us.

Explain pls

[Joey_]

You basically take a non-stance in that line

No, I rule out 2 scum from the same team.

I see, missed that

[Joey_]

Even his interaction with my slot (Mariar) is atypical at best and dodgy at worse.

I'm not the slot being dodgy in interactions between the two of us.

Explain pls

It's pretty clear that Xayah was avoiding talking to me

Prove your point

[Joey_]

I find it hard to believe that elements gives up and self votes here as town when there's 4 scum alive. Does he think everyone sussing him is town or what is he doing

This also imo show scum pov

Dundun, whos mefias? You don't seems to have an actual opinion on anything. Your iso is pretty bland

[Joey_]

I think you are a dirty mefias and was being distant/respectful towards MariaR because you were possibly unsure if they were also mefias and didn't want to attract much attention to it early game.

Plus, the fact that you weren't being pushed while being an underwhelming slot is also telling. Idk multiball much but your play has nothing to do with anything I know about your town play. Absolutely inexistent town agenda

[Joey_]

I think the towniest thing you did all game is your vote/push on my slot and it was still extremely weak content wise and even timing wise. You didn't seems to care to push that read enough to make it relevant.

I might be biaising hard because the foundation of my read on you is that I expect at least, some quality posts shining through when you're town and it's not the case so the more I read you the more I scumread your iso. Throw me a bone and town effort at least for a single post so I can know you are in my village

[Joey_]

Honestly now that it’s over I’ll definitely have my head in the game. That was like my biggest stressor besides work.

The activity/content difference between and after your paramedic card stuff is not significant imo. It makes that claim looks very disingenuous especially considering you had 10+ days to ''definitely have [your] head in the game''.

I am pretty convinced you are a dirty mefias too (your kitty is cute tho)

[Joey_]

Sometimes, I actually need to do this stuff.

Votecount 2.07

Elements (3):

Almost50, AGar, Dunnstral

Joey_ (3):

davesaz, Elements, SirCakez

davesaz (1):

dramonic

dramonic (1):

The Bulge

dunnstral (1):

Joey_

Not Voting (1):

Malakittens

With 10 in residence, it takes 6 votes to send someone down the mountain.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-09-16 16:50:00)
Elements search still ongoing

Also for anyone voting me, consider the gamestate and my reads

I enter the game by being the CW (3) to Elements (4)
I out a townread on my pred's sr and the main wagon elements. Then I out scumreads/scumleans on dundun (on Elements), mala (not voting), dram (outside both wagons). All this does is give them reasons to switch/vote me

It's extremely obvious that my reads were not ''designed''. A mefia would have reads with a survivalist mindset

.

Who enters a game by shooting the 3 legs he stands on but town? The only reason I will ever accept to by fliped in this game is because town are being apathetic fucks and letting scums get away with anything

Dave you posted yet not unvoted. Why is my slot scum? I didn't feel like you scumread me while we interacted so it's odd

[Joey_]

Orrr we could stop fucking around and lynch actual scum?

vote: dave

Can you make a decent take on your dave scumread? This is a lylo-ish day for town and you have been only pushing a single slot the entire day.

There's 4 mefias and it doesn't seems like you are even considering anything else
U a mefia mate?

[Joey_]

VOTE: hoot hoot

Out of all the wolf candidates, I think the pov where tunneling a single slot w/o content to back it up (basically, not caring) is the one that makes the least sens as town

[Joey_]

Joey catchup is good enough to take the slot out of the bottom rung but I do have some reservations.

MariaR (Xayah) and Dunnstral supposedly know how to read each other very well, though I don't remember if I have seen this in action or not.
If they're both scum on opposite teams it could explain how both were laying low. Trying to avoid detection by the other.
I can also see how Xayah might try to soft pocket me given we have some history of friction (the same Gay Mafia TM game that A50 brought up about Elements).
Joey has make an unusually large number of references to his predecessor which can be a scumtell for some.
So it's a weak town read from the catchup with a whole lot of keeping an eye on it.

Context; literraly been playing with mariar on our main site about 6 years ago before I moved to this site to play with her. We learned to play mafia from the same cloth and overall, I respect more her reads than people not coming from our main site.

[Joey_]

Btw I am pretty certain I can read her better than anyone on this site, besided recent meta and stuff I dont know

[Joey_]

So Dave’s rxn to assume being pocketed when I am leading on someone who has been tunneling them is classic town

[Joey_]

oof.
There are more subtle ways to claim scum intread ya know?

Assume it’s lylo

I replace in, I tr your hard sr, I sr you and votes you with your hard sr. Why aren’t you trying to convince me that I am just wrong?

[Joey_]

Thats whats scummy hoothoot

Where is your town agenda to find 4 mefias?

[Joey_]

Eh I had been worried about being pocketed by Xayah from very early game.
@dramonic, perhaps you haven't witnessed me being skeptical of an IC's positions? Literally nothing is sure for me until a flip. Get over it.

Does my the context about mariar resolves some of your qualms

[Joey_]

@Dave: That's unfortunate?
@Joey: I wouldn't try to convince you, I don't think it'll work

Because of personnality or alignement?

You know you haven’t layed out your scumread for everyone to see? How do you expect to achieve anything especially considering there’s a shit ton of mefias alive. If hes actually scum, he would be extremely hard to lynch (harder than town rn, i think) so you need to effort somewhere

[Joey_]

Let me put this in simple terms.
There's one, maybe 2 players I think are worth engaging in this game from a solving perspective. You're not on that list.

Lole, try me

[Joey_]

Mixed feelings on 58. Seems intended to make progress, but not terribly inspiring.
Very mixed feelings on 60. That's a lot of explanation. Being clear, or appearing to be clear?

Super wishywashy and non-commital

Mixed feelings on 58. Seems intended to make progress, but not terribly inspiring.
Very mixed feelings on 60. That's a lot of explanation. Being clear, or appearing to be clear?

I don't particularly like this post from Davesaz he is hedging a ton in this post.
I think either of these could be described as scum indicative but he is choosing not to for no real reason.

Because you hide behind the anonymity of an alt I don't know if you know me or not.
Accuracy is important in this game. Anyone who has seen me play knows I approach every early game this way.

Notscience can have a short pass on this since it has almost certainly been years since we have played.

Meta bull defense, actions in previous games do not excuse your actions in this one. "Oh I alwasys do this" is not a valid defense to scumplay.

So town hedge but they leave discussion open to say "why do you think that". But the post I quoted basically closes that off. It's just straight hedging to state thoughts without anyone being able to claim you actually have any down the line I guess?

The way I do this is to state what I think, and see what questions or conversation comes from it.

Translation: "I plan to make empty statements and latch onto people actually doing shit!"

2 down 2 to go~

What's this mean?

scum

Uh, it doesn't mean anything unless you say something about who the 2 are. Even that says very little unless you also give some kind of reasoning.

White noise. What's even the point of those statements?

VOTE: dramonic
We've had this conversation before. Talk or get eliminated.

voting for butthurt. Very pro-town!

You didn't commit to any opinions

Why would I want to commit to an opinion that I don't have?
This is how I bring attention to things that I don't have opinions on, for the express purpose of getting an opinion.

I think the way you question it is town motivated, but your approach to what it means is just wrong.

More empty words hoping for something to latch on. Last line is some heavy placating garbo as well.

I mean... Isn't that the exact shit you're accusing dave of? Posting noncommittal shit that can just be handwaved away?

Because my post was intended to be a shit post. Dave's wasn't.

I think that's clearly different?

Actually, that moves you down a bit. Not enough to change the read.
It's explicitly bad for town to shit post, in terms of game solving. Since I don't really participate (much) in the social aspect I take a dim view of posting that isn't meant to be taken at face value.

Non-commital threats are non-commital.

73

The first vote count with the l-2 wagon. Brass has great vote counts that show you the last vote add by a specific player. So you can follow the links to each of the constituents of the hayasaka wagons.

We have-
Meta
Bringing something up and not articulating
Newb scum
Definitely doesn’t like axolotls
“Game is hard”

Which is such a broad rainbow of reasons it doesn’t really seem credible. Hence my confusion.

I agree that looking at this is a good idea.
What's your take on those 5 players?
I'm not keeping track yet, it's too early for that, so I'll have to look. If I don't get hammered by work I'll try to do that today.

More void post asking for other people to do all the work for him. Gosh it's a theme or something

I'd like a little more help in my crusade against people who refuse to talk about anything useful to the game.

Something something someone else do the work for me

I'd like a little more help in my crusade against people who refuse to talk about anything useful to the game.

What IS useful in a game like this? (Serious question)

Wagoning people, and in particular big wagons, to see what happens.

VOTE: Malakittens
Guess I'd better take my own advice, time's ticking.

Yeah no that's just wrong.

Low hanging fruit.
Unfortunately that's the only thing this game has right now.

Cop-out statement is a cop-out

Eh, pushing non-contributors is one of my regular things regardless of gamestate. Right now seeing how people react to the "-2"^* is almost the only thing we have going.
I'm generally against eliminating^* lurkers as lurkers if there is a better choice, but there's nothing wrong with trying to spark someone to action.

^*Hard to remember to scrub posts for terminology.

More meta bull defense, more cop-out preparation

Did you really quote your predecessor THRICE and tried to manufacture a read on them??

Yes I noticed this immediately.

But I didn't comment on it because I might get attention

Just don’t, bad composition, don’t see the reason for her to be a leading wagon

Has she done anything particularly town?

That's not how that works.

Just because people could be LHF doesn't mean they can't get a scum role PM. How are people reading notsci? If this was single ball I'd be TRing them rn

I guess this is two separate thoughts, right?
The reason to avoid LHF is typically because little is learned from it, not because it lacks active scumminess.

I think notsci is town, but agree that MB is a factor so obv scumhunting doesn't automatically mean lock town.
I wouldn't approve of eliminating an obvious scumhunter early game. Someone who is active but not scumhunting is a better choice.

Super non-commital again. "I think they're town but maybe they're not!" is basically just empty words.

@dramonic squeezing your read harder isn't going to make me flip scum.
You could perhaps comment on someone else. If you're town it works a lot better to work with your team.

Deflection

nobody can even explain the reason for their vote other than A50's OMGUS so it seems pretty crap to me

Do you have any reads supported by evidence?

More waiting for others to produce content and lack of his own.



Happy AGar?
Can we stop fucking around and pretending Dave has done something this game besides cheering from the sideline?

Somehow i missed that post, will reread later
UNVOTE:

[Joey_]

@hoothoot try to find me 3 others mefias for when I come back from work

[Joey_]

Btw, if daves a mefia, his comment about IC’s spews his shared-type-mafia-PRs as both town.

[Joey_]

Im sad hoot hoot didn’t find me 3 mefias

[Joey_]

I have no fucking clue what that means.

''if daves a mefia, his comment about IC’s spews his shared-type-mafia-PRs as both town''

You worry about an IC, no one does. This means that you don't have info that would disqualify the idea.

If you are mafia; then you would know both yourself and your partner are not monks (and mechanically not masons)
If you are ww; then you would know both yourself and your partner are not masons (and mechanically not monks)

If it wasn't case, say any of you or your partner would be a scum PR, then you wouldn't think about an IC since it wouldn't be possible in this game. Because once ....

NVM LOLe


thought process for meme

[Joey_]

And agar shut me down instantly with "don't self meta" and then ignored me and called me scum so

What do you think of aGar?

[Joey_]

dave and A50 are putting out a lot of "content" but it's almost all crap Joey
What's the towniness you're getting from the content?

Well, I think consistency in-and-out of itself is a hard trait to maintain as scum. I don't really agree with the content but I read for the thought processes. I think a50 went above and beyond many time where he spammed 3-4 savage town posts a minute appart. Its hard stuff to do as mefia

For dave, I am less certain. The content is w/e, it's not like I expect to agree with them. Tho, when I was reading, I was starting to scumread them until I saw my pred hard townread on them, then I assumed I was overthinking and went back to my initial read on them. I think one of his worst post in the game is the ''i am the town leader and this is bullshit'' one. I have no doubt that dave is a great player and from memory, like I said, he was better as t. Tho this game, he's not the beacon of I light I thought he would be. Could it be explained because this is a hard game? Maybe because it's been 2-3 years since I played with them? Maybe I am rusty? idk.

I might try to play this game out of gut rather than head since it's multiball tho

[Joey_]

I have no fucking clue what that means.

''if daves a mefia, his comment about IC’s spews his shared-type-mafia-PRs as both town''

You worry about an IC, no one does. This means that you don't have info that would disqualify the idea.

If you are mafia; then you would know both yourself and your partner are not monks (and mechanically not masons)
If you are ww; then you would know both yourself and your partner are not masons (and mechanically not monks)

If it wasn't case, say any of you or your partner would be a scum PR, then you wouldn't think about an IC since it wouldn't be possible in this game. Because once ....

NVM LOLe


thought process for meme

BTW i just realized that worrying about an IC actually spew dave as town and VT, fun stuff

[Joey_]

Alright let's break the bank because I don't give a fuck, this is basically town lylo

Extreme scenario 1 (25%)

T: MASON MASON MONK MONK VT VT
S: WW WW MEFIA MEFIA

Extreme scenario 2 (3.3%)

T: MASON MONK VT VT VT VT
S: WW WW-MASON MEFIA MEFIA-MONK

Extreme scenario 3 (8.3%)

T: IC (MASON-MONK) MASON MONK VT VT VT
S: WW WW MEFIA MEFIA

Extrene scenario 4 (0.3%)
T: IC (MASON-MONK) VT VT VT VT VT
S: WW WW-MASON MEFIA MEFIA-MONK

If both scum of a cetain type are both NON PR, isn't it expected that they will claim they type-PR when one of them is lynched? At least for reaction purposes or something, or claim their other-type PR so their solo partner don't end up in autoloss...
Isn't the whole setup based around double CC? I haven't checked but it looks like the correct play, especially on town lylo. There is probably a way to play this in an mechanically optiamal way.

Hm, purely statiscally speaking, the extreme scenario 1 seems much more likely. I think using probabilities and odds are stupid in a game of mefia. That being said, for pure mechanistic reasoning and for distribution stuff like this setup, it's great.


Odds of game when X is true:

82% (1st roll) A PR to be town (9/11)
65% Both PR of a certain type to be town
43% All PR as town
25% All PR being town and different persons (no IC) (9/11*8/10*7/11*6/10)
18% (1st roll) A specific type of PR to be scum (2/11)
16% (2nd roll) A specific type of PR to be scum (9/11*2/10)
11% 3 PR being town and 1 PR is scum
8.3% 3 PR being town and different persons and 1 PR is scum (9/11*8/10*7/11*2/10)
7.4% IC (9/11*1/11)
4.8% IC and both PR outside on town (9/11*8/10*8/11*1/10 OR 9/11*8/10*1/11*8/10)
2.6-3.3% 2 scum being PRs
1.2% IC and 1 PR is scum 1 PR is town (9/11*8/10*2/11*1/10)
0.3% IC and both PR outside on scum (2/10*9/11*2/10*1/11)

If PRs claims as PRs and we lynch outside the PR claims

<%> = chance of hitting mafia in pool outside PRs

Best case scenario: 43% All PR as town includes
[25% All PR being town and different persons (no IC) (9/11*8/10*7/11*6/10)]

<66%>

[8.3% IC and both PR outside on town (9/11*8/10*2/11*7/10)]

<57%>

[1.2% 2 ICS]

<50%>

Middle scenario: 11% 3 PR being town and 1 PR is scum includes
[8.3% 3 PR being town and different persons and 1 PR is scum (9/11*8/10*7/11*2/10)]

<50%>

[1.2% IC and 1 PR is scum 1 PR is town (9/11*8/10*2/11*1/10)]

<43%>

Worst case scenario: 2.7-3.3% 2 scums being PRs includes
[2.4% 2 PRs on different town, 2 PRs on scum (9/11*2/10*8/11*2/10)

<33%>

[0.3% IC and both PR outside on scum (9/11*2/10*1/11*2/10)]

<29%>

Disclaimer; take those numbers with a grain of salt. Still, I think the magnitude of the figures are a good heads up. If I am bloody wrong, please correct me tho

My point:

Considering it's town lylo and that 3 vt fliped, IMO it's optimal in every way to claim PR as PR (and not the type of your PR) then to lynch outside. The likelihood of having a str8 better flip pool is significant.
If I am somewhat correct on the numbers there, on average, you would get a distribution that favors lynching outside PR as claimed PR with 3 VT dead in a ratio above 1 to 19. This means, in 19 games, there would only be a single game where mechanistically, it would be unfavorable.

AVERAGE:
Current pool quality; 40%
We could loose 7% of pool quality 1 game out of 19
We could gain 10% of pool quality 4 game out of 19
We could gain 20%+ of pool quality 14 game out of 19

If there is more than 4 pr claims, we we resolves the issue before it goes to deadline. It would be catastrophic to have a double CC close to deadline.

I hardclaim pr lole, popkorn to malakitten

[Joey_]

Well Joey is prob town.

I’m VT.

Popcorn to Dave

does someone gets town points simply for presenting EVs, or just for putting in a lot of extra effort?

Thats a misrep, it's not what I did. Read the content

[Joey_]

I'm speaking hypothetically

EVs, statistical probabilities, etc etc it's all objective and an incredibly easy way for scum to control the narrative of a game when the logical/emotional flow of the game does not suit them.

I am very aware. Why can't it also be a tool used by town?

[Joey_]

town effort or scum effort hmmm who can say

I mean, i saw that.

You implied/said my post was “simply EV”
I said you misrepped me = no, my post was not only EV
Then you mansplain me “objectivey, EV is used by scum”

We aren’t really talking objectively, are we? Its not mafiascum wiki, there’s intent behind my post.
You dodged my point saying that you didn’t correctly represented my post by explaining why thinking EV can be scum indicative and distanciated yourself from that read using “hypothetically”

So now, thinking you are biased towards EV being used by scum, I gave you the BotD and askedyou ;
“Hypothetically”, why wouldn’t it be used by town?

Then you answer by quoting your half shade of “town effort or scum effort” which, like you said, didn’t read the post and was based off you assuming I “simply” did EV, thats circular logic

You deflected me accusing you of misrepping my post then it felt like you took every chance you could get to jam some shade in your answers.

[Joey_]

Anyways, off to work bois

[Joey_]

your defensiveness is noted however

At the time it felt like lazy shades and with bad logic. I didn’t really explained well what I meant since I was going to work and had no time left, shrugs

@hoot hoot i dislike that you still haven’t produced anything related to any slot outside dave even when proded multiple times.

Out of everyone’s rxn from the last few pages, buldge/cakez/dave’s looks like town to me, hm

@cakez; i have at least 5+ completed games with a50 and always ended up hard townreading him correctly but for better reasons than i tr him this game. Could you link me some of his s games I am lazy

[Joey_]

Also a heads up; my scheduled this week is extremely packed so I souldn’t, in theory, be as active. If I show up here too often it means I am procratinating so please tell me to go back to work

[Joey_]

No it isn't. When you're TOWN and you are LAST TO CLAIM you can ABSORB A NIGHTKILL off the real PRs.

Now, if Dunn was Scum then what's the point of his claim? Eat a NK from the other Scum team or get CC'd and eliminated on the spot?? It's an OPEN SETUP, so he knows PRs come in pairs that can confirm each other. No Scum would EVER try this gambit at this point of the game.

I agree both ways. I think mechanically it can be great, but you need to out towntell anything coming your way. Imo dundun’s game is not one where I would fakeclaim

[Joey_]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

[Joey_]

And dundun

[Joey_]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

No we don't. It's toadpool/hoothoot/cakez/kitty. Period. You don't add anyone else unless one of those flips green.

It’s a reference to my analysis about lynching solely outside PR today. All the names mentionned just claimed VT, there’s no link to my actual reads. It was just to make sure everyone was on the same page and not start arguing miday about flipping a pr they scumread

[Joey_]

I am a mason monk, yes. The other two PRs claimed, are in fact, my cohorts in the respective threads.

Honestly, having known that I would have played this differently. I didn’t actually expect an IC and didn’t plan to wait tonight to have a lil chat with you, considering like a said, town lylo ish

[Joey_]

A 4/7 pool is still solid though

[Joey_]

Claiming PR also would force an IC out, get rxns, dodging the lynch pool etc

So we agree the flip pool is ; toadpool/hoothoot/monkey/cakez/buldge/kitty

Can you translate this

Well, I am used to chat mafia where fake claims are common for both alignement.

A classic; fake claim masons with someone who you pocketed.

Another classic: Or when everyone is massclaiming, claim to be a pr. If the amount of claimed PR is exceeding what is expexted, retract and play it cool. If an actual PR is not claiming, take their spot, hunt for it and set them up for a CC down the road. This is also useful to find PR that want to stay hidden; you claim their role and they will flip shit then play it cool. Also in this very context, PR were claimed so they wouldnt be in the lynch pool. It’s another possible gain as scum with no downside because you only keep the claim if the other PR (hidden or IC) let’s you keep it.

Only gains, no lost. This is a side of mafia that is usefull irl and in chatmafia but extremely rarely ever useful in forum mefia. The argument a50 used about the behavior having no incentive as scum because it’s a scumclaim, is exactly the very same rationale that permit this kind of play; it’s too scummy to be scum... but is it?

I wasn’t shading dundun, but I was disagreeing with a50 about being this naïve about the move. But I also agreeded that in most circumstances, it’s only a bunch of very ballsy players who do this so the “overall” rational of a50 I agreed with. So I agreed both ways; aGar and a50.

I think a50 is also biaised because he’s the one who asked for a town to lie, so he was appealing to town in his mind and then assumed that dundun answered the call, therefore biaised in believing he’s town for that. I think the dundun argument that he was deliberately asked to fake claim justify his claim is total bullshit though. Fakeclaiming for memes is a better reason in this case than because someone asked you to

[Joey_]

I didn't "assume". I

knew

. Why else would Dunn quote my request??

Let me put it another way.. I have a way of communicating with some players under certain circumstances, and this was one of them. If Dunn had claimed w.o. the quote I wouldn't have been able to tell until he retracted, but with the quote I just knew he was doing exactly what I requested him to do.

Did you know I also knew your slot was a PR? Because Maria had crumbed it in 40, which is why I never bothered to actually tackle her (me and Maria usually end up having some interesting duels).

Bottom line: Sometimes it takes a bit more than "text book instructions" to read the game. I bet nobody took post #40 for anything more than fluff.

Lole

Honestly a50, you probably are a much better player than me in about anything related to forum mafia. That being said, when it comes to rxn reads and stuff like that, forum mafia people are still playing in the kindergarden

Your post was abso-lutely fucking obvious. Dundun”s citing said post was also fucking obv-vious. It’s wasn’t even “textbook”, it was “Dictionnary” level. it’s the literal prototype of a safe fake claim and it was in the most basic way.

About #40, I replaced-in this slot from skimming and knowing it was a townclaim. Softing PR in this setup is just domdom but not the same as fake claiming

[Joey_]

Not sure how you took that as a crumb.

Nvm about 40, I assumed it was the post xayaz claimed non-vt. I meant 246

[Joey_]

It was wasn’t clear = the more easily a fakeclaim can be objectively justified, the safer it is, the less pro-town it could be.
Since guess what, if it’s that obvious, why would scum be fooled when they actually PR hunt much more than town do? Why would you not assume that with a bas fake claim, you arent going to hinder/fool more town than scum?

An actualy pro town fakeclaim? You go balls deep and lie like scum to deceive them while still out towntelling them. You don’t have an exit because you wouldn’t need one. And scum has to believe you because you are town and lie to town

[Joey_]

looks like a s replace out to me, but eh

[Joey_]

hoot hoot = dram
toadpool = elements
monkey = a50

[Joey_]

Id probably flip anything besides prs and a50 but would need another read before I am certain. aGar should lead something, I am too busy irl atm

[Joey_]

VOTE: malakitty

[Joey_]

meh thinks 1175 looks informed

[Joey_]

About kitty, my head says scum, my gut says town.

What is bad about the slot
- She claimed numerous time that her lack of activity was better explained by her work/paramedic stuff than alignement. Then, she promised to make content she never made and that is once her work/paramedic stuff was past
- Her lack of fucking scumread. Holly jeez, she hasn't called anyone scum, ever. This makes hardly any sens town 1st agenda = find&flip scum while scum 1st agenda is to not be fliped. A lack of scumreads fits much more a scum agenda overall


Why she might be town anyways, Ima try to towncase her for good measure.

Eh, pushing non-contributors is one of my regular things regardless of gamestate. Right now seeing how people react to the "-2"^* is almost the only thing we have going.
I'm generally against eliminating^* lurkers as lurkers if there is a better choice, but there's nothing wrong with trying to spark someone to action.

^*Hard to remember to scrub posts for terminology.

I mean with me I don’t do well under pressure and it doesn’t matter which alignment so you will litterally get nothing out of me

This felt genuine and like she was appealing to Dave, asking him to be reasonable.
I read it as ''It's not a good investment of town's time to pressure me because it's not going to be helpful'' and not in a survivalistic mindset

Honestly page 4 makes me think Dave v hay are town or at least ate differnt alignments

This is a hard mirror read that I had with her, it litteraly smacked me in the face that we had the exact same read for the exact same content on the same page. IIRC she alost posted that read a little bit late. So the read in itself is legit because I had it to but didnt play on posting it. If she was scum, had that read, what is the scum agenda/gain in outing a non-team read on multiball w/ 2 scum/team maximum? It didn't feel like it had any sens of being posted beside her getting the read by itself and being honest about it.

I’ve played with mala since she’s been back and she was town and she feels different here.

Honestly being town in a multi ball game like this is a death sentence. It’s actually easier to draw scum and win, whereas, town majority of the time they don’t ever win a multiball game. That doesn’t help my motivation much either. I looked at the stats and town hasn’t won this setup yet

This felt very genuine and a bit far-out for a scum answer. IMO scum prefer to disagree then give a nuanced answer. Like ''No notscience, you are wrong on my meta, you don't know me'' instead of going ''Yes, you are correct but the context is different'' then drop an unique thought process showing she did work (went on wiki).
If mala is scum, IMO this is a 10/10 answer to notscience.

Ugh dram’a replaceout jusf looks like he’s frustrated at a50 not AI

I said 1175 looks informed, it still does. Sometimes snap reads looks TMI w/o context.

I might be biaised into thinking this is informed scum because;
I think my snap reads are better than average +I had the opposite read of the replacement being a s replace-out + had mala in my poe/scum pool.

It's easier for me to assume this is informed scum then that :
I am wrong + Mala is correct + Had a better snap-read than me

So I rescind me using 1175 for trying to guess her alignement

[Joey_]

Can anyone of the town can actually iso mala and gives me an updated read

[Joey_]

VOTE: dundun soz folks, I convinced myself

[Joey_]

It’s not really ‘informed’. You have to remember that I have played with a majority of these players in old games before my break and then even more on top of this I have met a few of these players iRL due to many meets when I was quite active.

Just a quick run down on a few whom I met iRL in this game {Nottyscience, Agar & Dram} just a gut feel I don’t ever remember dram getting frustrated in a game to the point he’s replaced out. So him replacing out just doesn’t feel AI. Which I could likely be wrong.

That’s why when elements replaced out I felt like Agar’s post felt odd because I don’t remember him ever being aggressive like that before.

Thats a town post to me guys, if not gj

[Joey_]

Joey might just be scum too

I'm coming around to this. That vote switch off Mala just when the wagon took off reeks of a scum pair. Problem is you won't vote Mala still, so...

Thats fucking ridiculous, I obviously was second guessing myself and show thought process

[Joey_]

Id probably flip anything besides prs and a50 but would need another read before I am certain. aGar should lead something, I am too busy irl atm

meh thinks 1175 looks informed

VOTE: mala
Sup

VOTE: mala
Wagon wheeee
Let's just flip and progress

@a50 Like, I think you are reasonable enough to understand that town can sometimes be uncertain in their votes, correct?
1178 showed I was being uncertain about how to proceed
1182 showed I had new information so I placed a new vote
Then besides aGar, 2 people followed up on my vote within 3 hours.

This is town lylo and there haven't been a wagon since I replaced it since I killed both; mine and element's. Now there's a quick wagon forming, what do you think is a town reaction to this? "urr durr caught skum'' or ''shit, maybe I goofed and i should double check mala just to make sure''. So I made 1188 then asked someone to proofread me and to share my thoughts. I ended up convincing myself to switch because I think there are worse slots, like dundun, so I voted dundun.

You say It's scummy to switch my vote but, what is your expected ''town way'' to switch my vote there? How can town ever switch a vote when a wagon takes-off w/o reeking scum like you said? I was being as transparent/coherent as it gets and you obviously didn't give a slight shit about my intentions or thoughts process. U mefia m8?

[Joey_]

Beisde, cakez's 1187 asking to flip&progress makes little sens as town mindset of this being lylo. Which is part of why I was second guessing myself

[Joey_]

If dundun is town he actually deserves to lose and I am fine w/ that. His iso's worth of content is inexistent

[Joey_]

And btw, I am frustrated because town obviously are playing like shit. It's not normal that in a table of 10, I can't hard townread anyone 50 pages in

[Joey_]

You didn't vote one of DDL/SC though. Surely if you thought/suspected you goofed then you suspected one (or both) of them to be scum (of the other team). Instead, you opted to vote my top TR (before the claims).

Pick one of DDL/SC to vote if you suspect Mala is the wrong choice today.

Why is the fact that I voted your top TR has anything to do with ''switching votes reeks scum''? Both are unrelated events

[Joey_]

So you just admitted that you chainsawed my ass

[Joey_]

If dundun is town he actually deserves to lose and I am fine w/ that.

So, his isn't a town mindset and yours above is??? Get out of here.

P-edit: I find it hilarious that you managed to respond to this part and not the main point which was IF YOU BLOODY SUSPECTED YOU GOOFED THEN -BY NECESSITY- YOU SUSPECT AT LEAST ONE OF DDL/SC IS SCUM.

You know what?

VOTE: Joey_

Not really but yes, in part. I still prefer dundun

[Joey_]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

[Joey_]

1206 Is the town mindset of someone who are unsure of their reads and would feel like shit being wrong in a pool of 4/7. It basically means that I won't blame myself (when I normally would) because dundun's play is atrocious and isn't fucking doing anything worth not lynching over

About chainsaw defense :https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

"The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".

The key to identifying this tell is intent - it is possible to confuse Chainsaw Defense with a player who simply finds the attacker scummy and has no intent of defense. In general, you can be reasonably sure that this tell is involved if a) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense has not previously been especially critical of the player he is now attacking, and b) the player supposedly using Chainsaw Defense seems to find the player he is supposedly defending at least reasonably pro-town''

When you proved that you scumread actually voting dundun over others, then I assumed chainsaw. That being said, I understand better now when you said youd' expect me to vote inside the DrD/Cak voters

[Joey_]

I still prefer dundun

With all due respect, I don't care what you prefer. I'm a starter, you're a replacement. You don't replace in to mess up my stats with your whims, assuming you are town.

This is hilarious, because the content itself is irrelevant fucking bullcrap. Then, you proceed to appeal to me and you are enough self-aware that it makes no sens to appeal to your scumread so you add ''assuming you are town'' lole

[Joey_]

I think a50 is blundering thinking he can lynch me, you have balls tho

[Joey_]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

No. That's bullshit. If both are town then the wagon on Mala was growing naturally. I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.

You're fucking assuming 7 Townies voted N_M for the elimination?? SERIOUSLY??

I said both vote's made me wavery on my townreads, therefore I couldn't assume the wagon was then growing naturally

Objectively, the comparison of how wagons formed from my replace-in VS how fast mala's wagon formed made it obvious to me that it wasn't a wagon growing ''naturally''. And that is, regardless who was voting

''I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.'' Again this is a logical slip since I invented that wagon. It would imply that I am town, yet you scumread me for switching.

[Joey_]

Listen, you go before Dunn. I am not letting him get eliminated here. If he managed to fool me, I am to blame. But I'm not yielding. Not when my bloody readlist BEFORE the massclaim looked like:

Dunn
dave
AGar/Bulge

Xayah

dram
Mala/Elements/SC

Explain your townread on him then. Why don't you try to appeal to me to lynch one of your other scumreads ? It's not like I have been hardtunneling dundun and fucking the whole gamestate. Also, even if I was scum, you could still think youd assume youd be able to appeal to me to vote outside dundun and possibly on another scum (not in my team from your POV)

How do you really formulate that: Because I am voting dundun, I have to die so dundun doesn't die? This makes little sens especially since I am PR, obvious town and you townread me the whole fucking game.

[Joey_]

Damn right I can eliminate you. If I can't then I'll die trying.

But your not

the

elimination I want today. I want one of the 4 yop suspects of mine. If one of them flips green then you sre are the backup pick

Then why would you vote me? Thats makes 0 sens

[Joey_]

Also why am I the backup pick when you listed a scumpool of 4 ppl more ''scummy'' than me before the claims. Why wouldn't I be the 5th pick?

If you don't want me to question your coherence with your list before claims, then don't use the list to justify reads after the claims. Again makes 0 sens

[Joey_]

VOTE: monkey

[Joey_]

Lol, I have been playing for 7 years, lost like once or twice as scum, I have like 80% scum W/R on this site.

It wasn't a scummy fucking move because I explained the thought process and it was very clear, very coherent, very consistent. You are trying to paint me as scum for soft bussing which is hilarious, soft bussing is disgusting

[Joey_]

Joey, I'm done talking to you. I don't want to get too angry with you I start pulling a kuribo on you. (I love kuribo, btw, and I can understand his frustration like 80% of the time)

BULLSHIT, you made so many logical flaws in your answers to me you know you are cornered and keep giving ground the more you post. You also still are not unvoting me despite saying I wasn't your top lynch today. You also didn't adress half the points I made and only answers what was convenient.

It's very convient to be so emotionally invested you don't want to talk to your scumread on lylo when apprently you care so much about your stats. LMAO please

[Joey_]

Like I was townreading elements when he was there and cakez the majority of the last 20 pages. I disliked cakez vote and Drlittle well, hasn't done anything since replace-in so both my townreads on them was wavering from their vote. Still, even if wavering, they were both still less scum than dundun

Is that clearer?

No. That's bullshit. If both are town then the wagon on Mala was growing naturally. I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.

You're fucking assuming 7 Townies voted N_M for the elimination?? SERIOUSLY??

''I was positing to hammer once one more vote had been casted on her myself. Town tens to vote scum after a massclaim and based on the D1 elimination wagon on TOWN.'' Again this is a logical slip since I invented that wagon. It would imply that I am town, yet you scumread me for switching

.

Listen, you go before Dunn. I am not letting him get eliminated here. If he managed to fool me, I am to blame. But I'm not yielding. Not when my bloody readlist BEFORE the massclaim looked like:

Dunn
dave
AGar/Bulge

Xayah

dram
Mala/Elements/SC

Explain your townread on him then. Why don't you try to appeal to me to lynch one of your other scumreads ? It's not like I have been hardtunneling dundun and fucking the whole gamestate

. Also, even if I was scum, you could still think youd assume youd be able to appeal to me to vote outside dundun and possibly on another scum (not in my team from your POV)

How do you really formulate that: Because I am voting dundun, I have to die so dundun doesn't die?

This makes little sens especially since I am PR, obvious town and you townread me the whole fucking game.

Damn right I can eliminate you. If I can't then I'll die trying.

But your not

the

elimination I want today. I want one of the 4 yop suspects of mine. If one of them flips green then you sre are the backup pick

This is his answer to 1221 which adresses nothing. It's besides the point and shallow.

Damn right I can eliminate you. If I can't then I'll die trying.

But your not

the

elimination I want today. I want one of the 4 yop suspects of mine. If one of them flips green then you sre are the backup pick

Then why would you vote me? Thats makes 0 sens

Also why am I the backup pick when you listed a scumpool of 4 ppl more ''scummy'' than me before the claims. Why wouldn't I be the 5th pick?

If you don't want me to question your coherence with your list before claims, then don't use the list to justify reads after the claims. Again makes 0 sens

I didn't TR "the whole fucking game". For one thing, you were not there "the whole fucking game". For another, I explicitly said Xayah was a Town lean "for now", after having listed 4 towns reads and 4 scum reads. I never said Xayah was "Town".

And yes, you voted your partner -if you are scum- and didn't expect the wagon to grow so fast. When it did you panicked and hopped off the wagon in an attempt to defuse it. That's what scum do all the time. INEXPERIENCED SCUM that is (and you can't look me in the eye and tell me that you're a master at playing Scum). It's a hell of a tell, and always has been.

So, regardless of your true alignment that was a scummy move, and voting someone other than SC/DDL is another, and voting off the bloody N_M wagon is a third. 3 strikes in just one move.

Not addressing the previous posts, only addressing the part where I said he townread me the whole game. He took the easiest piece of content to refute. Also notice how he refute it, by remembering exactly the words used insteand of remembering how he felt/read my slot. ''I never said X'' VS ''I never read X like that'' is a s tell. Scum remember what they said in thread, town remembers how they felt.

Joey, I'm done talking to you. I don't want to get too angry with you I start pulling a kuribo on you. (I love kuribo, btw, and I can understand his frustration like 80% of the time)

Everything in bold has not been addressed and conveniently ignored.

Why do you even townread dundun that much a50?

[Joey_]

Also it's fucking hilarious I am being scumread for switch OFF my own SELF-MADE wagon and a50 says I team told with mala. Then proceed to chainsaw and defend dundun so fucking hard with nothing to back his townread

Fun stuff

[Joey_]

Dundun scumclaiming with that wolfy pop in & no content

[Joey_]

Do i need to do all the work because ATM this town deserves to lose

[Joey_]

Like, dundun is concerned about a deadline... but why are we concerned with deadlines overall? Because we want to know how many time we have left to flip people and not be cornered with flipping people too fast if a wagon is changing or w/e.

So like, he's concerned about deadline, but he is not concerned about finding mafia, pushing town agenda, engaging content etc. Then why would he give a fuck about deadline if he's not doing any of the thing that would make someone concerned about deadline?

[Joey_]

What a fucking joke of a table, I would gladly replace-out if not for the fact that would be almost game-breaking.

Also HOOTHOOT is mod confirmed as scum because it's town lylo and there's no way in fucking hell he would accept to end the day & remove a vote from town

[Joey_]

no

[Joey_]

VOTE: mala because voting for consensus w/ IC is basically the only thing I think town can accomplis

[Joey_]

@MOD Bulge shouldve been proded 36h ago and should've been kicked out 11h ago

[Joey_]

What a fucking joke of a table, I would gladly replace-out if not for the fact that would be almost game-breaking.

Also HOOTHOOT is mod confirmed as scum because it's town lylo and there's no way in fucking hell he would accept to end the day & remove a vote from town

it's town lylo

This is not true by my math.

True, somehow I assume 9 left. Disregard my post about hoothoot as mod confirmed

Still, Bulge should also be replaced out

[Joey_]

I think the mala slot has an insanely high chance of hitting scum just based on POE and slot apathy

This could be said for virtually any slot

[Joey_]

Dave is not advancing the gamestate

[Joey_]

I can say it cause i aint a motherfucker.. ahha..ahh..ahhh.. humor

[Joey_]

@ aGar monkey is

zerg

scum cuz he scumtold into oblivion per square inche of his last 10 posts

[Joey_]

Is "motherfucker" a permanent "once-obtained-always-held" status or a fluctuating state of being?

Mala I am like meeeeehhhhhhhh whatever, just like the rest of the game

[Joey_]

A50 was correct mechanically but wrong on every other instances